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2012-09-12 09:08:04 AM  

quatchi: hasty ambush: They are lucky to get 40% in Presidential elections.

That's changing.

Military Times polls are interesting only if you are interested in what subscribers to that mag think not the military as a whole. That noted, their polls are not without some use.

This data show a shift of comparable magnitude--only during this administration the military has begun to shift away from the Republican Party. Over the last three years the Military Times surveys have shown a decline in Republican Party identification of 14% among active-duty Army respondents and an overall decline of 13% among senior Army officers.


I am not denying a shift because there has been a demogrpahic shift. During the 90s the military became a job corps for single moms and they are going to tend to vote democrat but the most of the military is made up of middle class white males from red states and they are going to tend to vote Republican. Even minorities in the military tend to vote Republican in greater numbers than their civilian counterparts.. Heck with two unpoplar wars going on the Democrats still could not break 40% among the people actually fighting the wars as opposed to the psuedo -intellectuals protesting against it.

With the military budget under attack you are going to see military voters facing a concern of theirs that goes beyond pay and benefits. That concern is being well trained and equipped. The Democratic party does not have a good record in that area as anybody who served under Carter and Clinton can attest to.
 
2012-09-12 09:12:00 AM  

You_Really_Like_Me: redundantman: The lesson is simple: the Democrats need to stick with what they are good at and stop trying to pander to national defense hawks.

Exactly. Reminds me of the image of McGovern riding around in the tank - wearing battle gear.

/I'm a democrat and wondering what we are good at right now.


You mean Dukakis in 1988? Not McGovern in 1972. Mcgovern was a WWII vet and didn't need to play dress-up.
 
2012-09-12 09:24:20 AM  

hasty ambush: quatchi: hasty ambush: They are lucky to get 40% in Presidential elections.

That's changing.

Military Times polls are interesting only if you are interested in what subscribers to that mag think not the military as a whole. That noted, their polls are not without some use.

This data show a shift of comparable magnitude--only during this administration the military has begun to shift away from the Republican Party. Over the last three years the Military Times surveys have shown a decline in Republican Party identification of 14% among active-duty Army respondents and an overall decline of 13% among senior Army officers.

I am not denying a shift because there has been a demogrpahic shift. During the 90s the military became a job corps for single moms and they are going to tend to vote democrat but the most of the military is made up of middle class white males from red states and they are going to tend to vote Republican. Even minorities in the military tend to vote Republican in greater numbers than their civilian counterparts.. Heck with two unpoplar wars going on the Democrats still could not break 40% among the people actually fighting the wars as opposed to the psuedo -intellectuals protesting against it.

With the military budget under attack you are going to see military voters facing a concern of theirs that goes beyond pay and benefits. That concern is being well trained and equipped. The Democratic party does not have a good record in that area as anybody who served under Carter and Clinton can attest to.


FWIW, I served under Reagan and never voted Republican again. The unworkable ROE in Beirut and the subsequent, completely foreseeable disaster left a really, really bad taste in my mouth.
 
2012-09-12 09:27:45 AM  
Some DNC Project Manager is going to hear about this one...
 
2012-09-12 09:35:27 AM  

rocketpants: LordOfThePings: rocketpants: LordOfThPings: And marry a round American woman?

And raise rabbits?

Damn you for responding right after Erik_Emune's image.

Is that woman using a band-aid as a fashion accessory?? That seals the deal. I'm voting for Obama.


encrypted-tbn3.google.com

She was following a fashion trend.
 
2012-09-12 09:37:20 AM  

MFAWG: You_Really_Like_Me: redundantman: The lesson is simple: the Democrats need to stick with what they are good at and stop trying to pander to national defense hawks.

Exactly. Reminds me of the image of McGovern riding around in the tank - wearing battle gear.

/I'm a democrat and wondering what we are good at right now.

George McGovern flew 35 missions over Germany as a bomber pilot, winning a DFC in the process.



So what? Veteran is a starndard that you should have to live up to not a shield that says you can do no wrong or that your sins or overlooked. I am a veteran and just because a politician claims to be one does not hold any sway with me.

Bendicted Arnold was decorated American hero wounded in battle became a traitor

Duke Cunningham was a Vietnam Fighter Ace later corrupt poltician convicted criminal

John Murtha decorated Marine Vietnam vet, corrupt poltician, unconvicted criminal (Abscam and many others)

John Glenn WWII and Korea War vet, astronaut, corrupt politican, unconvicted criminal (Keating 5, Lincoln S&L)

John McCain (another John maybe it' s the name) Vietnam vet, corrupt politician, unconvicted criminal (Keatng 5, Lincoln S&L)

In fact I am suspicious of any career military personnel (outside of George Washington) who goes into politics. They are opposites. One is a professionof honor, standards and codes the other is politics.
 
2012-09-12 09:41:59 AM  

rocketpants: Is that woman using a band-aid as a fashion accessory?? That seals the deal. I'm voting for Obama.


Google "purple heart band-aid". Basically, back when it was convenient for the the GOP, they sold the narrative that Navy decorations were handed out like participation trophies - in particular Purple Hearts. This was of course to overcome the basic disconnect caused in the Republican brain by a decorated veteran running with a D next to his name.
 
2012-09-12 09:42:14 AM  

hasty ambush: MFAWG: You_Really_Like_Me: redundantman: The lesson is simple: the Democrats need to stick with what they are good at and stop trying to pander to national defense hawks.

Exactly. Reminds me of the image of McGovern riding around in the tank - wearing battle gear.

/I'm a democrat and wondering what we are good at right now.

George McGovern flew 35 missions over Germany as a bomber pilot, winning a DFC in the process.


So what? Veteran is a starndard that you should have to live up to not a shield that says you can do no wrong or that your sins or overlooked. I am a veteran and just because a politician claims to be one does not hold any sway with me.

Bendicted Arnold was decorated American hero wounded in battle became a traitor

Duke Cunningham was a Vietnam Fighter Ace later corrupt poltician convicted criminal

John Murtha decorated Marine Vietnam vet, corrupt poltician, unconvicted criminal (Abscam and many others)

John Glenn WWII and Korea War vet, astronaut, corrupt politican, unconvicted criminal (Keating 5, Lincoln S&L)

John McCain (another John maybe it' s the name) Vietnam vet, corrupt politician, unconvicted criminal (Keatng 5, Lincoln S&L)

In fact I am suspicious of any career military personnel (outside of George Washington) who goes into politics. They are opposites. One is a professionof honor, standards and codes the other is politics.


Somebody needs to irrigate their vajayjay this morning. As somebody pointed out, George McGovern didn't need to play dress up to burnish his credentials.
 
2012-09-12 09:45:43 AM  
Maybe they didn't think they could be Russian ships because they weren't rusting in their docks.
 
2012-09-12 09:53:43 AM  

Arkanaut: Maybe they didn't think they could be Russian ships because they weren't rusting in their docks.


That would be their subs

media.defenseindustrydaily.com
 
2012-09-12 09:54:29 AM  

MFAWG: hasty ambush: MFAWG: You_Really_Like_Me: redundantman: The lesson is simple: the Democrats need to stick with what they are good at and stop trying to pander to national defense hawks.

Exactly. Reminds me of the image of McGovern riding around in the tank - wearing battle gear.

/I'm a democrat and wondering what we are good at right now.

George McGovern flew 35 missions over Germany as a bomber pilot, winning a DFC in the process.


So what? Veteran is a starndard that you should have to live up to not a shield that says you can do no wrong or that your sins or overlooked. I am a veteran and just because a politician claims to be one does not hold any sway with me.

Bendicted Arnold was decorated American hero wounded in battle became a traitor

Duke Cunningham was a Vietnam Fighter Ace later corrupt poltician convicted criminal

John Murtha decorated Marine Vietnam vet, corrupt poltician, unconvicted criminal (Abscam and many others)

John Glenn WWII and Korea War vet, astronaut, corrupt politican, unconvicted criminal (Keating 5, Lincoln S&L)

John McCain (another John maybe it' s the name) Vietnam vet, corrupt politician, unconvicted criminal (Keatng 5, Lincoln S&L)

In fact I am suspicious of any career military personnel (outside of George Washington) who goes into politics. They are opposites. One is a professionof honor, standards and codes the other is politics.

Somebody needs to irrigate their vajayjay this morning. As somebody pointed out, George McGovern didn't need to play dress up to burnish his credentials.


He became a politician
 
2012-09-12 10:00:12 AM  

Click Click D'oh: ObeliskToucher: . the fighters look like some model of Flanker, though, not American -- notice the forward projects at the wingtips.

They are F-5s.

Considering The original source of the picture. (scroll down) I think it's hilarious. DNC stole from the common man... Well, the Russian variety of such.


You're right... and thanks for the link -- nice shot, two pictures down from the source photo ;-)
 
2012-09-12 10:02:32 AM  

Krieghund: Satanic_Hamster: One third or more of images on the first page of Google image search on "Navy ships" are non-US vessels.

It's almost as if other countries have Navies.


I know, but US has the largest bestest! :0

I googled "navy ships" to test to see if that's what the person did; I was expecting to see 90 percent American ships. But based on the results, I'd put money on it. The staffer who made the background just googled something like that and didn't read the ship descriptions.
 
2012-09-12 10:04:43 AM  

hasty ambush: Arkanaut: Maybe they didn't think they could be Russian ships because they weren't rusting in their docks.

That would be their subs

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 600x450]


www.bbc.co.uk

"I wonder if I could buy one."
 
2012-09-12 10:12:02 AM  
They saw an ak-47 in some of the photos, so they assumed they where american soldiers.
 
2012-09-12 10:19:11 AM  
Burt is evil.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:38 AM  
"Get me a military looking picture!"
lol
what a fluck up.
 
2012-09-12 11:23:37 AM  
It seems like an honest one-time mistake. What is no mistake is that strip club owners prefer to hire Russian girls, because their American counterparts are too fat.

And I wonder, how many Republicans still believe that Ronald Reagan flew Hellcat fighters for the Navy in WWII?
 
2012-09-12 11:33:12 AM  

MFAWG: FWIW, I served under Reagan and never voted Republican again. The unworkable ROE in Beirut and the subsequent, completely foreseeable disaster left a really, really bad taste in my mouth.


I served under Ford through Clinton and Reagan was the best, not perfect, but the best of the lot. Look at the differing leadership styles Beruit vs. Mogadishu. I am going to armchair quaterback here. Now I am certain Reagan did not write the ROEs and Clinton did not pesonally say no tanks and dictate tactics to the Special Ops guys. Heck neither of them were probably involved in that level of planning and ops. Also a lot of what went wrong in both cases was the fault of the local command. In Beruit the ROEs did not prevent the errection of effective barrcades and road blocks and why were so many personnel concetrated in one building? In Mogadishu we understimated our enemy . We repeated the same tactics for 5 or 6 raids so when they launched the next one the enemy was able to prepare. A little more respect for the enemy's capabilities and a rescue might have not been necessary .

How did each Administration react to the incidents. For Beruit Reagan accepted responsibility and promised never to put us (the military) in those circumstances again. For Mogadishu Clinton claimed to be "out of the loop" and Sec Deg Les Aspi was thrown under the bus and Les Aspin was not bad as Sec Defs go. Now given your miltary leadership training who showed the better leadership characteristics?
 
2012-09-12 11:57:44 AM  
Someone's head is gonna roll, methinks.
 
2012-09-12 12:10:08 PM  

quatchi: hasty ambush: They are lucky to get 40% in Presidential elections.

That's changing.

Miltary Times polls are interesting only if you are interested in what subscribers to that mag think not the military as a whole. That noted, their polls are not without some use.

This data show a shift of comparable magnitude--only during this administration the military has begun to shift away from the Republican Party. Over the last three years the Military Times surveys have shown a decline in Republican Party identification of 14% among active-duty Army respondents and an overall decline of 13% among senior Army officers.


I wouldn't be surprised - I'd expect soldiers to be more reality-based than the general population. (You can't wish away people shooting at you by declaring that the bullets have a liberal bias).

One can be reality-based and a conservative, but it appears today's GOP has no place for such people.
 
2012-09-12 12:10:55 PM  

Foundling: I'm a navy vet and find this to be a funny mistake.

Hollywood always screws this stuff up, local news is worse (frigates and carriers become battleships all the time)


They're ships, they battle, what's the difference? :-P
 
2012-09-12 12:11:13 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Try as they might, the liberals can't shake their Marxist ties.


You do realize an "Average American Guy" is a borderline moron? So you have like a 90 IQ and a shiatty job flipping burgers. You go mister average! 

Otherwise, you are just another lying hypocrite republican.
 
2012-09-12 12:12:55 PM  

Krieghund: Satanic_Hamster: One third or more of images on the first page of Google image search on "Navy ships" are non-US vessels.

It's almost as if other countries have Navies.


Damn! Does the Pentagon know?
 
2012-09-12 12:41:11 PM  

hasty ambush: ck1938: It's pretty consistent with their past statements on the American military.

[www.theodoresworld.net image 335x296]

Well that and the way they treat the military absentee voter. But they do not worry too much about it as they really have written off the military vote as a whole. They are lucky to get 40% in Presidential elections.


Now now, by way of battling any law the requires you have ID to vote, the Dems have fought for the right of EVERYONE to vote...except those serving their country overseas.
 
2012-09-12 12:44:40 PM  
Oh man, all my google-fu detective work went in the closed thread.

Here's the actual stock image.
image.shutterstock.com

The copyright holder is Vakhrushev Pavel.

Given that a high res version is available for purchase, I'm sure the visual guy just paid for the stock photo without looking at the photographer's name (nothing else describes that they're russian ships) and added in the super fancy jets and such.

Lazy, sure, but not an intentional jab at the Navy or anything.
 
2012-09-12 12:45:55 PM  

Kazrath: AverageAmericanGuy: Try as they might, the liberals can't shake their Marxist ties.

You do realize an "Average American Guy" is a borderline moron? So you have like a 90 IQ and a shiatty job flipping burgers. You go mister average! 

Otherwise, you are just another lying hypocrite republican.


Hey, that mean's there is a 50/50 chance you have a lower IQ than him!
 
2012-09-12 12:49:17 PM  
peoplescube.virtualestates.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-09-12 12:51:50 PM  
took this long to be pointed out because if you arent an expert just about ALL ny ships look the same
 
2012-09-12 01:35:23 PM  

Subtle_Canary: took this long to be pointed out because if you arent an expert just about ALL ny ships look the same



Not true. NY Police boats do not look like NY garbage scows. Think that is the limit of the NY Navy.
 
2012-09-12 02:02:11 PM  

Subtle_Canary: took this long to be pointed out because if you arent an expert just about ALL ny ships look the same


It took a long time because most people were distracted by the political theater on the stage.

/I think they are still distracted.
 
2012-09-12 03:56:05 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: Yeah! I bet the farking president of the farking United States made that video montage with his own two hands.


I think the point is the President and his democratic cronies wouldn't know military equipment from their own asscracks, and that remains true.
 
2012-09-12 06:51:05 PM  

Aramis21: Subtle_Canary: took this long to be pointed out because if you arent an expert just about ALL ny ships look the same


Not true. NY Police boats do not look like NY garbage scows. Think that is the limit of the NY Navy.


Youse fergot the Staten Island Ferry, it's their first line of defense.

MFAWG: hasty ambush: quatchi: hasty ambush: They are lucky to get 40% in Presidential elections.

That's changing.

Military Times polls are interesting only if you are interested in what subscribers to that mag think not the military as a whole. That noted, their polls are not without some use.

This data show a shift of comparable magnitude--only during this administration the military has begun to shift away from the Republican Party. Over the last three years the Military Times surveys have shown a decline in Republican Party identification of 14% among active-duty Army respondents and an overall decline of 13% among senior Army officers.

I am not denying a shift because there has been a demogrpahic shift. During the 90s the military became a job corps for single moms and they are going to tend to vote democrat but the most of the military is made up of middle class white males from red states and they are going to tend to vote Republican. Even minorities in the military tend to vote Republican in greater numbers than their civilian counterparts.. Heck with two unpoplar wars going on the Democrats still could not break 40% among the people actually fighting the wars as opposed to the psuedo -intellectuals protesting against it.

With the military budget under attack you are going to see military voters facing a concern of theirs that goes beyond pay and benefits. That concern is being well trained and equipped. The Democratic party does not have a good record in that area as anybody who served under Carter and Clinton can attest to.

FWIW, I served under Reagan and never voted Republican again. The unworkable ROE in Beirut and the subsequent, completely foreseeable disaster left a really, really bad taste in my mouth.


Two Marines from recruit platoon 2074 died in Beirut. I was proud to be their friend, and squad mate.

You Sir, are filth. But I will apologize about the bad taste I left in your mouth.

I mistook it for a toilet.
 
2012-09-12 07:07:04 PM  
Points, laughs.
 
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