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(National Geographic)   Ancient Mayan paintings found. FARK: In the kitchen   (news.nationalgeographic.com) divider line 25
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2012-09-11 11:52:26 PM  
Right next to Jesus.
 
2012-09-12 12:02:33 AM  
So there's tons of depictions of ancient Mayan women then?
 
2012-09-12 12:42:24 AM  
Not a lot of brain activity going on there.
 
2012-09-12 12:45:20 AM  

cretinbob: Right next to Jesus.


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You don't fark with the Jesus.
 
2012-09-12 12:46:02 AM  
Well, tell them to shut up and get us a sammich. Sheesh.
 
2012-09-12 12:47:29 AM  
Geez, how old is their house?!?
 
2012-09-12 12:47:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Not a lot of brain activity going on there.


They were too busy smiling for the photographer.
 
2012-09-12 12:49:10 AM  

cretinbob: Right next to Jesus.


I thought you were joking.

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2012-09-12 01:01:13 AM  
"Ramírez hopes to convert the room into a small museum but lacks funds, Źrałka said. Meanwhile, "people live and cook in the same room where the murals are," and it shows. In 2008 the now yellowed background was completely white, he said.

It would've been best if Ramírez had stopped scraping as soon as he noticed the Maya murals, Saturno said. Given the situation, though, he argued for a balance of preservation and respect for property rights.

"It'd be great if they weren't covering it with smoke, but at the same time, this is probably not the first time there has been smoke in this room," Saturno said. "You can't go crazy in terms of, 'This needs to be hermetically sealed, and these people need to be out of here."

You're telling me some museum hasn't offered to buy the house, dismantle it, ship it, and build them a new one for what would probably be less than $10,000 in that country? WTF?

/Indiana Jones moment
 
mjg
2012-09-12 01:16:37 AM  
 
2012-09-12 01:16:38 AM  
Wow. Truly AWESOME.

I loved when they found the Bonampak murals, ending once and forever the myth that Mayans were peace-loving astronomers...
 
2012-09-12 01:17:24 AM  
wtf? do these people live in a tell?
 
2012-09-12 01:22:16 AM  
So a woman found them?
 
2012-09-12 02:39:59 AM  
I'm with the "How old is this home!?" camp. It does sound super cool.
 
2012-09-12 03:01:56 AM  

ladyfortuna: You're telling me some museum hasn't offered to buy the house, dismantle it, ship it, and build them a new one for what would probably be less than $10,000 in that country? WTF?


Why would you think they would sell if they were offered money.
People tend to get get possessive about their cultural heritage.

It's not always about the money.
 
2012-09-12 03:03:36 AM  
To preserve it for more than the ~10 years it's going to last under normal living conditions. Better to let professionals preserve it than let it get coated in cooking oil smoke...
 
2012-09-12 03:22:12 AM  

ladyfortuna: To preserve it for more than the ~10 years it's going to last under normal living conditions. Better to let professionals preserve it than let it get coated in cooking oil smoke...


What makes you think these people would sell?

They are a proud people with a culture you could only dream of.

Keep your blood money, Judas.
 
2012-09-12 03:33:25 AM  
according to article home is over 300 years old. Seems more likely closer to 400 as according to article "wearing a mix of traditional Maya and Spanish garb".

And ladyfortuna remember during WW2 pictures were stashed in bars (hung on ceiling) and lots of other places and survived. While I think it should be thoroughly documented I wouldn't sell if I were them either. It's a national treasure that would be unlikely to remain in country. Would you sell a native american artifact if you found one in your home knowing it would likely go elsewhere?
 
2012-09-12 03:51:40 AM  

mc_madness: ladyfortuna: To preserve it for more than the ~10 years it's going to last under normal living conditions. Better to let professionals preserve it than let it get coated in cooking oil smoke...

What makes you think these people would sell?

They are a proud people with a culture you could only dream of.

Keep your blood money, Judas.


Thanks, at least somebody gets it.

ladyfortuna: To preserve it for more than the ~10 years it's going to last under normal living conditions. Better to let professionals preserve it than let it get coated in cooking oil smoke...


Step out of your own cultural frame of reference.

It belongs to them. It is part of who and what they are.
To sell that is like selling their arm or their child.

The Maya are not an extinct people. They are living where they have always lived. Doing what they do.
They do not speak Spanish and there religion is their own mix of old and new.
There are people who can still read the glyphs (somewhat) and tell time in the old ways.

Would you come onto Navajo, Hopi or any or Tribe's land and just start carting things off?

It's not about the money.
why can't people understand that?
 
2012-09-12 05:03:02 AM  

doomjesse: Would you sell a native american artifact if you found one in your home knowing it would likely go elsewhere?


In a friggin' heart beat. Let someone else deal with the preservation and display. If it stayed in my home, only I could enjoy it. If it went somewhere else, more people could enjoy it and learn from it. Selling or donating it is the less selfish and more educational thing to do for all of humanity. Of course some people need things on their wall that they can brag about.
 
2012-09-12 07:20:59 AM  

doomjesse:

And ladyfortuna remember during WW2 pictures were stashed in bars (hung on ceiling) and lots of other places and survived.


A picture/painting is a lot more portable than a painted wall.
 
2012-09-12 09:07:58 AM  
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2012-09-12 01:15:20 PM  

doomjesse: according to article home is over 300 years old. Seems more likely closer to 400 as according to article "wearing a mix of traditional Maya and Spanish garb".

And ladyfortuna remember during WW2 pictures were stashed in bars (hung on ceiling) and lots of other places and survived. While I think it should be thoroughly documented I wouldn't sell if I were them either. It's a national treasure that would be unlikely to remain in country. Would you sell a native american artifact if you found one in your home knowing it would likely go elsewhere?


I need to stop posting that late at night. I'm not advocating 'selling' it FOR PROFIT, or necessarily moving it out of the country, just replacing the house so that the murals can be preserved, I just figured a big museum like Smithsonian or something would be most likely to have the funds and want to do it. Really what I meant was buy out the property soley for the purpose of preservation. As in, build the family a new house so that the artifacts can be preserved off site. Wherever that might be.

Didn't really mean it as 'foreign nation museum swoops in and steals it'. Too much on my plate, brain deteriorating...
 
2012-09-12 07:05:26 PM  
Ignorance will destroy that mural. If those homeowners weren't so selfish, they would sell that place and move into something nice and modern, however, they are used to living so primatively that they wouldn't know what to do with anything beyond what they already have. If they really cared about the painting, they wouldn't just leave it exposed that way.
 
2012-09-12 07:40:25 PM  

mc_madness: ladyfortuna: To preserve it for more than the ~10 years it's going to last under normal living conditions. Better to let professionals preserve it than let it get coated in cooking oil smoke...

What makes you think these people would sell?

They are a proud people with a culture you could only dream of.

Keep your blood money, Judas.


I kind of like indoor plumbing, and the basic sanitation that comes with it, myself.

But if an ancient culture that kills children as a sacrifice to its diety is your cup of Joe, DIAF.
 
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