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2012-09-11 10:02:24 PM

madgonad: Bhasayate: Yeah, yeah, I read a stat that says 80% of them say "no religion", but depending on the question is asked, many Buddhists may say they don't have any religion. There are very, very many ways of being Buddhist. It's not like you need to be on the Church roster or be a member of anything to be a Buddhist, etc., etc.

They are just like Sweden. Remember, Sweden has a STATE RELIGION. Public money actually goes to the church. There are plenty of churches there and long religious history. The population just doesn't believe in the nonsense any more. It is a good thing. Vietnam has rejected faith as well. The opiate of the masses just isn't necessary any more. People have found a way to be happy and not fear death all on their own now. Imagine what the world will look like in another 100 years.


I think we have a basic misunderstanding about just how minimalistic being Buddhist is, how little it requires of one in terms of "faith."

People have found a way to be happy and not fear death all on their own now.

This is a core teaching of Buddhism, actually.

I suspect that if you asked them, most Vietnamese would say "Yes, I think the Four Noble Truths are true." You don't need faith -- i.e., "other power" -- to follow the Eight Fold Path.

Again, I'm afraid we may be talking past each other here....
 
2012-09-11 10:04:35 PM

djkutch: Marine1: WhyteRaven74: Marine1: We're in the business of appeasement now.

Would you prefer we were still in the business of overthrowing governments to install leaders we approved of and propping up dictators simply for some nebulous goals while they kill their own citizens? Cause that never had any negative consequences...I mean just look at Iraq and Iran...on second thought...

No. I'd rather we said the following (copypasta from my earlier post in this thread):

"The right to free speech is a cornerstone of democracy in all societies and is to be respected by all peoples. With this in mind, the United States government would like to remind the protesters that it was in no way affiliated with the production, distribution, or conception of the offending materials. The government of the United States would also like to state that it has sovereignty over all consulates and embassies and that the US Marines stationed in these locations have been authorized to use deadly force to defend the facilities."

No threat of invasion, no ass-kissing, just plain statement of facts. Someone has now died in these embassy attacks, and any further protests near or on the grounds of American embassies and consulates need to be seen as direct threats to those on the premises.

McCain tomorrow. You know it's true:
"Why isn't Obama invading?"

or

"Why is Obama invading?"


That doesn't have to be the solution. Just tell them what I said. A plain statement of truths. We don't want to hurt them, but if they storm another embassy, we will, because we're not fools who think that dying is some sort of victory that requires deep thought to comprehend. We only need to speak softly and carry a big stick at those embassies... tell the truth, and back it up with some US Marines if need be.
 
2012-09-11 10:04:36 PM

Bhasayate: They're a crazy mob. They are gonna rant and rage and burn shiat and stuff.


so when people in whatever city loot, pillage and burn because their basketball team won the championship you shrug them off? Or if they are in your city, do you put on your Lakers hat? Don't you see THEY are the problem, not the movie?
 
2012-09-11 10:04:40 PM

dr_blasto: topcon: WhyteRaven74: notShryke: You're reasoning is simply excusing any and all violence against US citizens from Islam. Just be honest and say so.

And if we all foam at the mouth condemning an entire religion, what good does that do? What does that gain us?

Christianity is about two levels less wacky than Islam is, yet you're not defending it when it's constantly derided here, are you?

What's the far left's fascination with Islam, anyway? Why are you so intent on constantly defending it when it's very clearly even kookier (in practice, not on paper) than the popular religions of this country?

Some Christianity is two levels less wacky than some Islam. Check your brush size, man.
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Snake handlers and their ilk probably make up less than 1% (I'm being generous here) of the Christian population but are far more fascinating and get far more publicity than your average, run of the mill pasteur ruminating the virtue of family togetherness during the holidays for twenty minutes at a time. Think of them as the PETA version of liberalism.
 
2012-09-11 10:04:48 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Why not? How is directly antagonizing a group of individuals without regard for the consequences (consequences which led to a fellow American being killed) NOT criminal recklessness or inciting a riot? How is it any different from standing on a street corner calling people wearing bowler hats inhuman filth, and then someone listens to your words and kills a person wearing a bowler hat?


Mr. Bacile is a Californian Jewish film maker, so odds are he lives in the greater LA area.

Both Sheriff Baca and Chief Beck appear to be on the record as supporting the enforcement of Sharia by US Law Enforcement, so one can resume he actually will be charged for criminal recklessness, felony murder, or just plain heresy.
 
2012-09-11 10:04:56 PM

Bhasayate: People have found a way to be happy and not fear death all on their own now.


To be fair, I think that is a fine definition of religion.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:01 PM
Now we definitely need to elect Romney and Ryan. Those guys have a ton of foreign policy experience and no doubt know exactly how to handle this.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:15 PM

mark12A: Whadda ya expect? The barbarians invaded the Cairo embassy and didn't get their asses kicked. So now it's open season on our embassies because hey, what ar ethe Americans gonna do? Nothing.

Mebbe if we wasted those Egyptians when they invaded the embassy, the Libyans would have maybe thought again before they tried.

It is far better to be feared than loved.


Yes. When I turn my other cheek, it's to fire off another hundred rounds from my HK...
 
2012-09-11 10:06:38 PM

Koalacaust: At the very least, you seem to be claiming that the people who made this movie should have anticipated the violent reaction of Muslims (you actually imply that this was the desired reaction!) and thus should have never made the film in the first place. This is exactly like telling a rape victim that she shouldn't have dressed provocatively because she should have known that she was likely to get raped if she did. In fact, because she was dressing that way, she must have wanted it all along!

Free speech is free speech. I should be able to say what I want about someone's system of beliefs and not have to worry about being abducted or killed in the street because I "hurt someone's religious feelings", as the US government puts it.


No, films like this are just hate speech. Pornography which serves no civil purpose in society. The goal of the film is not to inform or discuss, it is too inflame. The creator of this film is Jewish and from California and the promoter is an anti-Muslim Christian evangelical. Here is the video - you be the judge.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:40 PM

EatTheWorld: Bhasayate: They're a crazy mob. They are gonna rant and rage and burn shiat and stuff.

so when people in whatever city loot, pillage and burn because their basketball team won the championship you shrug them off? Or if they are in your city, do you put on your Lakers hat? Don't you see THEY are the problem, not the movie?


I'm being facetious. But, really, I'm just stating a fact. Those shiatheads are a crazy mob that is gonna get all crazy. It's their damn fault for being so excitable, not the guy who made the movie.

I'm just saying, crazy people will do crazy things.
 
2012-09-11 10:07:48 PM
"It's just been REVOKED."
 
2012-09-11 10:08:00 PM

biglot: Just reading between the mint tea leaves, I'd say all these folks want us to do is to just get the hell of THEIR property. We really should oblige. Then, when they're all done shredding themselves, we could always check back after the dust settles.


This. When are we going to wise up and get the hell away from these people and their shiathole part of the world? Every time this happens, we need to close our embassies in that country, kick their diplomatic mission out, cut all aid and alliances - and progressively withdraw all troops and money from the middle east. let the Russians and Chinese try their hand at civilizing these people - if they think it's worth their while - it clearly isn't worth ours.
 
2012-09-11 10:08:03 PM

topcon: make me some tea: Thanks, Pastor Terry!

"The protests were sparked by outrage over a video being promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the US"

Is Pastor Terry an Egyptian now?


Is McCarthy the parent of many children who could have been vaccinated and avoided death or disease?
 
2012-09-11 10:08:11 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Now we definitely need to elect Romney and Ryan. Those guys have a ton of foreign policy experience and no doubt know exactly how to handle this.


Or re-elect Obama, so he can issue more apologies, like today, and then race over there to hip-bow to them. Right?
 
2012-09-11 10:08:49 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Now we definitely need to elect Romney and Ryan. Those guys have a ton of foreign policy experience and no doubt know exactly how to handle this.


Here's something they won't fark up: At least the diplomats appointed by that administration points wouldn't post shiat like we just read on http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html

"Oh sorry we hurt your feelings and stuff. Boo on abuse of free speech!"
 
2012-09-11 10:09:26 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-11 10:09:43 PM

finegrit: "It's just been REVOKED."


media.ebaumsworld.com
 
2012-09-11 10:10:45 PM

Bhasayate: Again, I'm afraid we may be talking past each other here....


Probably. I understand that Buddhism is atheistic, but it is clearly a religion. I have attended Buddhist weddings and funerals. They still have the trappings of religion and the potential to inspire hate against others.
 
2012-09-11 10:11:06 PM

madgonad: Koalacaust: At the very least, you seem to be claiming that the people who made this movie should have anticipated the violent reaction of Muslims (you actually imply that this was the desired reaction!) and thus should have never made the film in the first place. This is exactly like telling a rape victim that she shouldn't have dressed provocatively because she should have known that she was likely to get raped if she did. In fact, because she was dressing that way, she must have wanted it all along!

Free speech is free speech. I should be able to say what I want about someone's system of beliefs and not have to worry about being abducted or killed in the street because I "hurt someone's religious feelings", as the US government puts it.

No, films like this are just hate speech. Pornography which serves no civil purpose in society. The goal of the film is not to inform or discuss, it is too inflame. The creator of this film is Jewish and from California and the promoter is an anti-Muslim Christian evangelical. Here is the video - you be the judge.


So of course that gives them every right to go all "durka durka muhamad jihad" and make with the violence. Got it, you're an idiot.
 
2012-09-11 10:12:04 PM
Reinforces why it should be the utmost US national priority to over develop every alternative to oil imaginable. To the point of insanity. Electricity in the US so cheap we can piss it away... make all of the US glow like Vegas just because we can.. etc. Then utterly pull out of the middle east and let them argue about whatever they want. I know it's not gonna happen tomorrow, but damn... we need to move that to a much higher priority than building bombs and carriers. Until then, we'll continue to walk on eggshells in the Middle East.
 
2012-09-11 10:12:09 PM

djkutch: Bhasayate: People have found a way to be happy and not fear death all on their own now.

To be fair, I think that is a fine definition of religion.


djkutch: Bhasayate: People have found a way to be happy and not fear death all on their own now.

To be fair, I think that is a fine definition of religion.



Buddhism teaches that the better place is right here, and the reward is already yours. Realizing this is non-attachment.
 
2012-09-11 10:12:45 PM

WhyteRaven74: Koalacaust: Where are the violent protests and suicide bombings in Buddhist, Hindu, or Christian countries that have been oppressed?

Your knowledge of 20th century India and Sri Lanka could use some work.


To be fair, I should have mentioned groups like the LTTE. However, it is worth noting that there have been only around 300 suicide attacks conducted by the Tigers since 1987, while Iraq has suffered over 1,000 in the last decade alone.

I should also mention that martyrdom is an integral part of the Islamic belief system, and this is not the case with most other world religions.
 
2012-09-11 10:13:31 PM

Bhasayate: I'm just saying, crazy people will do crazy things.


sorry for misunderstanding. After the list of radical islamists attacks posted earlier, and today, and 1/2 bottle of Jose.... I just wish we could support the actual sane people over there better. It's the only way, unless a glass parking lot is an acceptable option. And could we actually find out who is sane over there? I know they are there. Gotta be scared shiatless... I couldn't do it. I would put on the lakers hat.
 
2012-09-11 10:13:45 PM

madgonad: Koalacaust: At the very least, you seem to be claiming that the people who made this movie should have anticipated the violent reaction of Muslims (you actually imply that this was the desired reaction!) and thus should have never made the film in the first place. This is exactly like telling a rape victim that she shouldn't have dressed provocatively because she should have known that she was likely to get raped if she did. In fact, because she was dressing that way, she must have wanted it all along!

Free speech is free speech. I should be able to say what I want about someone's system of beliefs and not have to worry about being abducted or killed in the street because I "hurt someone's religious feelings", as the US government puts it.

No, films like this are just hate speech. Pornography which serves no civil purpose in society. The goal of the film is not to inform or discuss, it is too inflame. The creator of this film is Jewish and from California and the promoter is an anti-Muslim Christian evangelical. Here is the video - you be the judge.


Well, that was a terrible movie. If you ever start to question why some actors get paid obscene amounts of money for such a simple job, watch this movie and realize that most actors are this bad and work for a pittance.
 
2012-09-11 10:14:01 PM

madgonad: No, films like this are just hate speech.


"Hate speech" is a term most frequently employed by left-leaning persons (often non-legal academics) in the United States and deployed whenever they favor a policy that facially violates the First Amendment. I assume from your presence on this site that you are not such a person, so please be more careful in your rhetoric.
 
2012-09-11 10:14:03 PM

madgonad: Bhasayate: Again, I'm afraid we may be talking past each other here....

Probably. I understand that Buddhism is atheistic, but it is clearly a religion. I have attended Buddhist weddings and funerals. They still have the trappings of religion and the potential to inspire hate against others.


That's odd, because Buddhism considers marriage to be a secular affair where one should obey local custom and law. The closest Buddhism has to a wedding ceremony are the bride and the groom getting a blessing off a monk beforehand. Their parents might also go to the temple and make some offerings, but they'll do the same even before things like college entry exams.
 
2012-09-11 10:14:12 PM

Bhasayate: madgonad: Marine1: Should have used Sweden or Norway, since the state religion of NK is worshiping Dear Leader.

Those countries are effectively atheistic - despite a state religion, nobody believes in God there.

They don't think he's god. It's an atheist country. Instead of worshiping God, they worship human constructs, which is what would happen if you eliminated religion... people would still find shiat to kill each other over. You want Norway and Sweden, fine, but you have to take the shiatholes with the utopias.

It is most easily compared to a cult - which we still regard as a religion.

And the Norks don't even make the top ten for least religious.

1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)
2. Vietnam
3. Denmark
4. Norway
5. Japan
6. Czech Republic
7. Finland
8. France
9. South Korea
10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)

And my dad and brother recently got back from Vietnam. They have come a long way. Those atheistic countries look pretty good to me.

Vietnam is a Buddhist country. I'm utterly unsurprised that most of them do not believe in God.


I wouldn't classify Buddhism as a religion. It is more a philosophy. Buddha was a teacher, not a deity. It is a part of Hinduism which is basically polytheistic. Not really sure which type of Buddhism Vietnamese follow, but it is certainly not like montheistic holier-than-thou type religions.
 
2012-09-11 10:14:18 PM

Marine1: djkutch: Marine1: WhyteRaven74: Marine1: We're in the business of appeasement now.

Would you prefer we were still in the business of overthrowing governments to install leaders we approved of and propping up dictators simply for some nebulous goals while they kill their own citizens? Cause that never had any negative consequences...I mean just look at Iraq and Iran...on second thought...

No. I'd rather we said the following (copypasta from my earlier post in this thread):

"The right to free speech is a cornerstone of democracy in all societies and is to be respected by all peoples. With this in mind, the United States government would like to remind the protesters that it was in no way affiliated with the production, distribution, or conception of the offending materials. The government of the United States would also like to state that it has sovereignty over all consulates and embassies and that the US Marines stationed in these locations have been authorized to use deadly force to defend the facilities."

No threat of invasion, no ass-kissing, just plain statement of facts. Someone has now died in these embassy attacks, and any further protests near or on the grounds of American embassies and consulates need to be seen as direct threats to those on the premises.

McCain tomorrow. You know it's true:
"Why isn't Obama invading?"

or

"Why is Obama invading?"

That doesn't have to be the solution. Just tell them what I said. A plain statement of truths. We don't want to hurt them, but if they storm another embassy, we will, because we're not fools who think that dying is some sort of victory that requires deep thought to comprehend. We only need to speak softly and carry a big stick at those embassies... tell the truth, and back it up with some US Marines if need be.


Or we could just close our embassies in these shiatholes, pull our aid, and keep our blood and treasure at home, where it belongs. F**k the middle east.
 
2012-09-11 10:14:38 PM
Jesus people, grow the fark up. If God doesn't like being insulted, he'll smite the farkers. I've never understood this whole 'I-Had-to-attack-him-because-he-was-a-sinner,-which-God-has-commanded- against,-and-they-will-go-to-Hell-as-a-result' argument, since God already supposedly has a penal plan in place. He's the head cheese, he can handle being judge, jury and executioner. Acting on "behalf" of God just means that you are trying to 'be' him, which I'm pretty sure is a sin as well.
 
2012-09-11 10:15:54 PM
Have the Iranians heard about this movie yet?
Maybe it's a good thing we shut our embassy in Tehran.
 
2012-09-11 10:16:38 PM

CigaretteSmokingMan: i172.photobucket.com


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! where is my Koran?? I got wipe all this beer of my screen
 
2012-09-11 10:16:43 PM

clowncar on fire: dr_blasto: topcon: WhyteRaven74: notShryke: You're reasoning is simply excusing any and all violence against US citizens from Islam. Just be honest and say so.

And if we all foam at the mouth condemning an entire religion, what good does that do? What does that gain us?

Christianity is about two levels less wacky than Islam is, yet you're not defending it when it's constantly derided here, are you?

What's the far left's fascination with Islam, anyway? Why are you so intent on constantly defending it when it's very clearly even kookier (in practice, not on paper) than the popular religions of this country?

Some Christianity is two levels less wacky than some Islam. Check your brush size, man.
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Snake handlers and their ilk probably make up less than 1% (I'm being generous here) of the Christian population but are far more fascinating and get far more publicity than your average, run of the mill pasteur ruminating the virtue of family togetherness during the holidays for twenty minutes at a time. Think of them as the PETA version of liberalism.


They account for a diminishgly small percentage, true. I, personally think religiosity is nuts. However, in the end, nutty is nutty and Christianity has its own share.

Libya, and I guess the rest of the Middle East, have high poverty rates, low education levels, high illiteracy and a significant group of people manipulated by their religious leaders to do stupid shiat like this. Take away the US' first-world systems and blanket us with poverty and illiteracy and I'd expect the population of snake-handler types to go way up.
 
2012-09-11 10:17:10 PM

Silly Jesus: topcon: 99 percent of the people rioting probably don't even know what the fark Youtube is, or even have access to the internet. Someone connected who has a voice (i.e. a church leader) over there is whipping these poor, uneducated golems into a frenzy and making them think "this movie I'm telling you about is really popular with all Americans, and this is what they all believe."

The leaders and dictators of these countries don't want the unwashed masses educated because it doesn't serve their wackier-than-fundies religion to be so. I swear if we had the money to drop hundreds of thousands of solar powered, hand crank, computers with satellite internet onto poor areas, we might have a chance of getting these savages to change. Of course, the government would try to destroy them with the penalty of death if you keep them, but some would stick around and maybe forment some new ideas.

The majority of the 9/11 hijackers were college educated and middle to upper class. Try again.


The majority of Islamic terrorists were not involved in 9/11. Try again.
 
2012-09-11 10:17:44 PM

frunjer: I wouldn't classify Buddhism as a religion. It is more a philosophy. Buddha was a teacher, not a deity. It is a part of Hinduism which is basically polytheistic. Not really sure which type of Buddhism Vietnamese follow, but it is certainly not like montheistic holier-than-thou type religions.


In practice though Buddhism is a religion. Go to China and you'll see that Buddhism has picked up local gods and demigods (Guan Yu is featured in most Chinese Buddhist temples). Go to Korea and study Seon school Buddhism, etc. Pure, academic Buddhism isn't a religion. It is definitely a religion though by the time it is done being blended into the local culture and preexisting deities in some cases.
 
2012-09-11 10:18:09 PM

Marine1: They don't think he's god. It's an atheist country. Instead of worshiping God, they worship human constructs, which is what would happen if you eliminated religion... people would still find shiat to kill each other over. You want Norway and Sweden, fine, but you have to take the shiatholes with the utopias.


I think people overstate how atheist Scandinavians are. Sweden is Lutheran, with a lot of tolerance & education built in. Scandinavians are all generally Lutheran, but not fanatically so. They just don't give a shiat so much about labels like that.

Scandinavian culture has more to do with who they are as people rather than atheism or Lutheranism... but the holier-than-thou atheists can go on pointing at them as evidence of how atheism "works", I guess.

/Some good friends from Denmark, Finland, and Sweden
 
2012-09-11 10:18:56 PM

Bhasayate: The Dog Ate My Homework: Now we definitely need to elect Romney and Ryan. Those guys have a ton of foreign policy experience and no doubt know exactly how to handle this.

Here's something they won't fark up: At least the diplomats appointed by that administration points wouldn't post shiat like we just read on http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html

"Oh sorry we hurt your feelings and stuff. Boo on abuse of free speech!"


You sure about that?

I could see Mitt apologizing.
 
2012-09-11 10:19:40 PM

Mikey1969: Jesus people, grow the fark up. If God doesn't like being insulted, he'll smite the farkers. I've never understood this whole 'I-Had-to-attack-him-because-he-was-a-sinner,-which-God-has-commanded- against,-and-they-will-go-to-Hell-as-a-result' argument, since God already supposedly has a penal plan in place. He's the head cheese, he can handle being judge, jury and executioner. Acting on "behalf" of God just means that you are trying to 'be' him, which I'm pretty sure is a sin as well.


Seriously. I've got my religion, someone else has theirs and so on and so forth. I'll do my thing, you do yours and nobody has to lose their head and blow a bunch of shiat up.
 
2012-09-11 10:19:53 PM

madgonad: Bhasayate: Again, I'm afraid we may be talking past each other here....

Probably. I understand that Buddhism is atheistic, but it is clearly a religion. I have attended Buddhist weddings and funerals. They still have the trappings of religion and the potential to inspire hate against others.


Buddhism, on its most basic level, the 4 truths: 1) all is suffering (duhkka); i.e., all in human experience is conditioned and subject to change; 2) the root of suffering is attachment -- trying to hold onto that which changes as if it were permanent only causes greater sufferring. But 3) there is a way to stop suffering by 4) following the 8 fold path stops suffering.

One doesn't need great faith to see this. Here's a nice pic

www.expertlearners.com
 
2012-09-11 10:20:32 PM

dr_blasto: Bhasayate: The Dog Ate My Homework: Now we definitely need to elect Romney and Ryan. Those guys have a ton of foreign policy experience and no doubt know exactly how to handle this.

Here's something they won't fark up: At least the diplomats appointed by that administration points wouldn't post shiat like we just read on http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html

"Oh sorry we hurt your feelings and stuff. Boo on abuse of free speech!"

You sure about that?

I could see Mitt apologizing.


The Mitt-Bot Response:
Egypt, Egypt, processing, processing. Database indicates I have no offshore accounts in that country. No reaction can be generated at this time.
 
2012-09-11 10:20:38 PM

ha-ha-guy: Dear Middle East,
So yeah, we have our nutcases and well a lot of them do and say offensive things. Things that end up going global since unlike your shiatty little third world hellhole pretty much everyone over here has a smart phone with a video camera and easy access to uncensored TCP/IP.

Now you may have just noticed I insulted your country. Why you ask? Because you really are a shiatstain third world hellhole filled with people who kill diplomats over 90 minutes worth of .mp4 encoded footage. It doesn't say nice things about you. What it really says is that the people who installed Saddam and those of his ilk might have actually had a farking clue. I don't recall many embassies getting stormed in Baathist Iraq. That is says that if an Arab Spring does happen in Saudi Arabia, maybe it is actually in our best interests to back the House of Saud. Maybe we do want a military dictatorship in Egypt.

You see where this is going right? When you're going to storm multiple embassies on the anniversary of 9/11 and kill Americans, it tells us we don't want you enfranchised. We actually might want to rethink the idea of you having political power, a say in how your country is run, and all that. Maybe we do need to install puppet leadership and have an American trained army make the streets run red with your blood.

Because at the end of the day, if the second item on your agenda of social empowered is "fark with America", then we have every reason out there to want to fark with your agenda and make sure your skulls are the ones that get cracked,

Oh and for farks sake, the Dutch are the ones making the movie. Get a clue.

-Love,
At Least Part of America


This is now part of my 9/11 Wall of Fame!! Thank you.
 
2012-09-11 10:21:17 PM

EatTheWorld: Bhasayate: I'm just saying, crazy people will do crazy things.

sorry for misunderstanding. After the list of radical islamists attacks posted earlier, and today, and 1/2 bottle of Jose.... I just wish we could support the actual sane people over there better. It's the only way, unless a glass parking lot is an acceptable option. And could we actually find out who is sane over there? I know they are there. Gotta be scared shiatless... I couldn't do it. I would put on the lakers hat.


No worries. If I lived in Egypt, I'd GET THE fark OUT, somehow.
 
2012-09-11 10:21:21 PM
The problem is the freaking religious clerics in the Mid East. They are so hungry for power that they spout a megaton of stupid. This makes poor uneducated people in Muslim countries worship them. These men are granted far too much power. As much as I hated the dictators in the ME at least they were able to keep their boots on the necks of these crazy farks. Now you have these large vacuums of power and the only people with enough followers and support to seize power is these crazy people. There was a time in Islam when people that became that became religious scholar they had back grounds in science, mathematics, some even became poets. Now when your kid is to freaking stupid to get in to any collage you send him off to become an imam. These imams, who are too stupid to follow their own faith, end up spouting stupid shiat to stupid people who are too stupid to think or read. This leads to storming an embassy for no apparent reason or opting to kill your neighbor of 20 years in Bagdad because some imam told you to. Ignorance in the ME is the problem. It has been that way for almost half a century. But on the flip side, doing something with pure purpose of antagonizing these people is just as ignorant.

As one Chief Justice said "The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that the United States Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree. When a nation is at war, many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight and that no Court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right"
 
2012-09-11 10:21:31 PM

madgonad: Koalacaust: At the very least, you seem to be claiming that the people who made this movie should have anticipated the violent reaction of Muslims (you actually imply that this was the desired reaction!) and thus should have never made the film in the first place. This is exactly like telling a rape victim that she shouldn't have dressed provocatively because she should have known that she was likely to get raped if she did. In fact, because she was dressing that way, she must have wanted it all along!

Free speech is free speech. I should be able to say what I want about someone's system of beliefs and not have to worry about being abducted or killed in the street because I "hurt someone's religious feelings", as the US government puts it.

No, films like this are just hate speech. Pornography which serves no civil purpose in society. The goal of the film is not to inform or discuss, it is too inflame. The creator of this film is Jewish and from California and the promoter is an anti-Muslim Christian evangelical. Here is the video - you be the judge.


Free Speech means you do not have the right to not be offended. Countries with laws against hate speech do not have free speech.

Free speech does not need to serve a civil purpose in society or inform or discuss. If it did who would get to decide if a certain speech met those criteria those -government?



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2012-09-11 10:21:58 PM

madgonad: No, films like this are just hate speech. Pornography which serves no civil purpose in society. The goal of the film is not to inform or discuss, it is too inflame. The creator of this film is Jewish and from California and the promoter is an anti-Muslim Christian evangelical. Here is the video - you be the judge.


Yea... that's admittedly pretty bad. Not bad as in overly offensive or hate speech material, but bad as in poor satire. I still have no problem with it existing. Would you consider a film like this lampooning the life of Jesus or the Buddha to be hate speech?
 
2012-09-11 10:22:17 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Oh, and god damn these farkers are insecure about their god and prophet.
It's not too late to convert Africa to the official "religious war" continent and ship people there to find the winning god.


Look, leave the rest of farking Africa out of it. They've suffered enough.
 
2012-09-11 10:22:40 PM

The Face Of Oblivion: madgonad: No, films like this are just hate speech.

"Hate speech" is a term most frequently employed by left-leaning persons (often non-legal academics) in the United States and deployed whenever they favor a policy that facially violates the First Amendment. I assume from your presence on this site that you are not such a person, so please be more careful in your rhetoric.


Yes, those non-legal academics, like SCOTUS, which have cited it six times in their legal rulings.

While yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre is a deliberate attempt to cause harm, so have many other forms of speech. I don't actually think that this idiotic video rises to that level, because it contributes something more than hate. It is flipping retarded and can almost be viewed as a farcical comedy. In order to be censored by the state SCOTUS has required the content be specifically malevolent and designed to do nothing besides cause harm. Making fun of a religion doesn't reach that bar, but they did their pathetic best to get there.
 
2012-09-11 10:22:47 PM

jso2897: Or we could just close our embassies in these shiatholes, pull our aid, and keep our blood and treasure at home, where it belongs. F**k the middle east.


Often, this.
 
2012-09-11 10:22:55 PM

madgonad: Koalacaust: At the very least, you seem to be claiming that the people who made this movie should have anticipated the violent reaction of Muslims (you actually imply that this was the desired reaction!) and thus should have never made the film in the first place. This is exactly like telling a rape victim that she shouldn't have dressed provocatively because she should have known that she was likely to get raped if she did. In fact, because she was dressing that way, she must have wanted it all along!

Free speech is free speech. I should be able to say what I want about someone's system of beliefs and not have to worry about being abducted or killed in the street because I "hurt someone's religious feelings", as the US government puts it.

No, films like this are just hate speech. Pornography which serves no civil purpose in society. The goal of the film is not to inform or discuss, it is too inflame. The creator of this film is Jewish and from California and the promoter is an anti-Muslim Christian evangelical. Here is the video - you be the judge.

The press has so far blamed the video on Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-born Christian who lives in the U.S. and who is known for his anti-Islam views, the AP reported. Morris posted the video on his Facebook page and promoted it on his personal website.

- By NBC News and news services

So we have Jews, expatriate Californian coptics, and anti-muslim wingnut pastors- anyone else want to give the wheel a spin? No conspiratists want to suggest that the muslims released this film themselves (the ends justify the means after all) just to work the crowd up in time for the tenth anniversary of 9-11? Any takers at all?
 
2012-09-11 10:23:55 PM

frunjer: This is now part of my 9/11 Wall of Fame!! Thank you.


Is that good or bad, and clean the typos up before you enshrine it please.

/damn phone call in the middle of it
 
2012-09-11 10:24:10 PM
What happened to you Libya? You used to be cool.

/nah jk
//you're just as backwards as you've always been
 
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