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(USA Today)   New study shows those fish oil pills you've been taking don't do anything to protect your heart, but they do make your breath smell like a dead herring   (usatoday.com) divider line 59
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2012-09-11 08:54:53 PM  
Well, for me, dead herring would be quite an improvement, actually.

Plus, I hear it drives Danish chicks wild...
 
2012-09-11 09:04:58 PM  
Been doing wonders for my coat.
 
2012-09-11 09:17:06 PM  
People get fish breath because they're probably chewing them instead of just swallowing them.

They're not gummy bears.
 
2012-09-11 09:17:50 PM  
So long and thanks for all the

www.atalude.net
 
2012-09-11 09:18:42 PM  
My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

/ Along with all my other medicine I take the only benefit of the fish oil pills is when I'm at the office in the morning, I can burp close by people that have issues and feel good!
 
2012-09-11 09:39:07 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

/ Along with all my other medicine I take the only benefit of the fish oil pills is when I'm at the office in the morning, I can burp close by people that have issues and feel good!


It makes the businesses that make them 1.1 billion dollars a year. Sure they lied about any medical benefits to get you to buy it, but the free market has spoken. They must be wonderful.
 
2012-09-11 09:39:25 PM  
This is useless info because if I tell my wife that she has been wasting our money on these stinky pills, she is just going to stab me in the heart anyway.
 
2012-09-11 09:41:09 PM  
Man, I fall for all this stupid health crap.

Good thing I'm too lazy to ever act on it.
 
2012-09-11 09:44:22 PM  
Stop taking pills and eat actual fish, what do I look like? Flipper?
 
2012-09-11 09:45:10 PM  
What does help is my Zocor. I eat and drink like a college kid and my lipid profile looks like that of a fitness junkie.
 
2012-09-11 09:47:15 PM  
Meanwhile, eating herring is still good for the brain. And keeping away the grim relentless Scandinavian depression.
 
2012-09-11 09:48:09 PM  
Eat a balanced diet, and you won't need supplements.

Pills are for people who have their breakfast at dunkin donuts.
 
2012-09-11 09:49:53 PM  
Fishing industry is attempting to kill off all sea life and this sort of news isn't helpful.
 
2012-09-11 09:50:25 PM  
I read the article, but I always come to the thread just incase there's someone here with better information.
 
2012-09-11 09:51:20 PM  
Somebody cherry picked 20 studies out of hundreds, did a meta analysis that gave them a controversial conclusion, and is now trolling for research money...
 
2012-09-11 09:51:40 PM  
Fish pills are good for you. Good for your skin, your heart, your blood, and they make you poop better.
 
2012-09-11 09:51:43 PM  

Basily Gourt: Eat a balanced diet, and you won't need supplements.

Pills are for people who have their breakfast at dunkin donuts.


Not true for some. I actually ate healthy for a long time in an attempt to keep my cholesterol down and it just didn't work. Some people are genetically coded for high cholesterol, it's called hypercholesterolemia.
 
2012-09-11 09:53:33 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Basily Gourt: Eat a balanced diet, and you won't need supplements.

Pills are for people who have their breakfast at dunkin donuts.

Not true for some. I actually ate healthy for a long time in an attempt to keep my cholesterol down and it just didn't work. Some people are genetically coded for high cholesterol, it's called hypercholesterolemia.


I stand corrected. But I think you get my point.
 
2012-09-11 09:53:49 PM  
Well if fish oil pills won't stave off the ice cold stinging grip of merciless death, WHAT WILL?
 
2012-09-11 09:54:10 PM  
Vitamins are called bedpan bullets for a reason.

Any substances your body has enough of currently are just going to be excreted in your urine. Most healthy people already get enough vitamins and minerals.

If you are actually deficient in something, vitamins can be very handy.

For the most part, they are rather expensive insurance.
 
2012-09-11 09:57:46 PM  
I have wasted my whole life trying to take care of myself!
 
2012-09-11 09:59:03 PM  

mark12A: Somebody cherry picked 20 studies out of hundreds, did a meta analysis that gave them a controversial conclusion


This.

And for anyone who is taking fish oil capsules and burping up or otherwise tasting/smelling fish, you need to change brands. Hate to tell you, but you've been buying rancid capsules.

I've taken as many as 20 capsules a day (when I was recovering from serious injuries) and even when taking an absurdly high dosage like that, I wasn't getting a fishy aftertaste or breath.
 
2012-09-11 10:03:44 PM  

limeyfellow: AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

/ Along with all my other medicine I take the only benefit of the fish oil pills is when I'm at the office in the morning, I can burp close by people that have issues and feel good!

It makes the businesses that make them 1.1 billion dollars a year. Sure they lied about any medical benefits to get you to buy it, but the free market has spoken. They must be wonderful.


Thanks, but I'll go with my doctor who's been treating and helping me for the last 25 plus years.

/my relationship with my government isn't so personal
 
2012-09-11 10:05:59 PM  
My regular thought process when taking fish pills:

*Burp*
Damn, when did I eat tuna?
oooohhhh....

/nasty
 
2012-09-11 10:11:38 PM  
I thought most people took them for joint issues.
 
2012-09-11 10:22:50 PM  

Godscrack: Fish pills are good for you. Good for your skin, your heart, your blood, and they make you poop better.


At least that is why the cat got them. That and hairballs. In the end we gave up and shave him every few months.
 
2012-09-11 10:40:19 PM  
Mmmm all them concentrated heavy metals in fish by-products. No thanks.
 
2012-09-11 10:40:55 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Basily Gourt: Eat a balanced diet, and you won't need supplements.

Pills are for people who have their breakfast at dunkin donuts.

Not true for some. I actually ate healthy for a long time in an attempt to keep my cholesterol down and it just didn't work. Some people are genetically coded for high cholesterol, it's called hypercholesterolemia.



I'm wired the other way, I just can't pick up cholesterol.

Before taking 3g of Omega-3's a day I was 20 mg/dL HDL (low good cholesterol) and ~60mg/dL total. With supplimentation I am 38 mg/dL HDL (almost cracking the minimum 40 mg/dL good cholesterol) and 80 mg/dL total.

I hate fish, so I'm happy to spend ~$30 a year on tasteless fish oil pills that keeps me off drugs to raise my cholesterol.

/the burps go away after a week or so once you body has adjusted to it
//If you can, buy products with Meg-3 branded oil
///If you can't find Meg-3, at least look for a USP certification
////Watch for the sales, Walgreens has the NatureMade buy one get one free at least once a month
//KEEP THAT shiat IN THE REFRIGERATOR!!!!
 
2012-09-11 10:51:33 PM  
Green Pasture's fermented cod liver oil and itamin butter oil blend does great things for the sex drive and decreased joint pain for me. It also stopped my dry skin.

Additionally, it is a good source for viatmins A and D3. I don't take them for my heart.
 
2012-09-11 10:55:29 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: limeyfellow: AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

/ Along with all my other medicine I take the only benefit of the fish oil pills is when I'm at the office in the morning, I can burp close by people that have issues and feel good!

It makes the businesses that make them 1.1 billion dollars a year. Sure they lied about any medical benefits to get you to buy it, but the free market has spoken. They must be wonderful.

Thanks, but I'll go with my doctor who's been treating and helping me for the last 25 plus years.

/my relationship with my government isn't so personal


You have not read the fine print in Obamacare. It is going to get real personal
 
2012-09-11 11:01:12 PM  

limeyfellow: AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

/ Along with all my other medicine I take the only benefit of the fish oil pills is when I'm at the office in the morning, I can burp close by people that have issues and feel good!

It makes the businesses that make them 1.1 billion dollars a year. Sure they lied about any medical benefits to get you to buy it, but the free market has spoken. They must be wonderful.


B-b-b-but trust Big Nutra!
 
2012-09-11 11:06:52 PM  
I wonder what benefits snake oil has for your heart?
 
2012-09-11 11:20:59 PM  
"The message Americans may not want to hear is that eating healthy foods, not taking pills, is what helps heart health,"

No shiat Sherlock.

Now pass me the sweet potato fries. They're healthy!
 
2012-09-11 11:21:33 PM  

Godscrack: People get fish breath because they're probably chewing them instead of just swallowing them.

They're not gummy bears.


Actulally if you get the pills without the "enteric coating", the geletin coating will disolve in the stomach causing fishy burps. But if you get the enteric coating, the pill doesn't dissolve until it's in your intestine so no fishy burps.
 
2012-09-11 11:24:43 PM  

RogermcAllen: //KEEP THAT shiat IN THE REFRIGERATOR!!!!


Why do you say that? The bottle on my desk says to "store at room temperature, tightly closed".
 
2012-09-11 11:25:51 PM  

Fano: I wonder what benefits snake oil has for your heart?


Fano, are you saying mashing snakes with your feet while dancing is not good for your health?
 
2012-09-11 11:34:34 PM  
Before i had my epidural steroid injection and my partial disk removal, the doctor made sure i was not taking fish oil because it thins the blood. I assume like aspirin.
 
2012-09-11 11:36:12 PM  
The article (for once) lists some of the conditionals of the research corpus.

"Yes, overall we think it provides benefit, but the studies most cited had X, Y, and Z flaws."

Someone is going to pull that guy's journalism license! What we want is the unwarranted conclusion that Subby came up with:

"New study shows those fish oil pills you've been taking don't do anything to protect your heart, but they do make your breath smell like a dead herring" 

And this is why subby needs a punch in the fish-oil pills.
 
2012-09-11 11:37:26 PM  

red5ish: Fishing industry is attempting to kill off all sea life and this sort of news isn't helpful.



Just where do you think the fish oil that goes into the pills comes from?
 
2012-09-11 11:38:25 PM  
www.homevideos.com
Did somebody say red herring?
 
2012-09-11 11:38:47 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.


Helpful hint I've picked up from having a lot of medical types in the family:

When your doctor says "it can't hurt" or "sure, I'll prescribe that if you want" or they recommend the brand of whatever that you specifically requested over the other brands of the same drug, what they mean is "the placebo effect will make you feel better about yourself".

Being a doctor/nurse is apparently a lot like being a machine operator, once you've done the things that actually help you tend to fall back on messing around with religious voodoo for entertainment while you wait to see if the fix worked.
 
2012-09-11 11:42:35 PM  

RickN99: RogermcAllen: //KEEP THAT shiat IN THE REFRIGERATOR!!!!

Why do you say that? The bottle on my desk says to "store at room temperature, tightly closed".


At the base level, my jar starts to smell a little fishy on the inside if I leave it out for a day. Sure, it doesn't smell outside, but I'd rather not open up the jar to fish stink.

From the quality standpoint there are several advantages. I buy the big jar buy one get one free, so I end up with almost a year's worth. Keeping it cold slows oxidation (rancid dead fish smell), which keeps the oil good longer. Refrigerators help keep the humidity lower. Higher humidity = softer capsule = more oxygen is able to permeate the capsule = more oxidation. The refrigerator also ensures the oil is stored in the dark (uv light promotes oxidation). Never buy the ones in the clear jar since they are almost guaranteed to be oxidized (much like beer in clear bottles is just about guaranteed to be skunked).
 
2012-09-11 11:53:09 PM  

pseudowho: mark12A: Somebody cherry picked 20 studies out of hundreds, did a meta analysis that gave them a controversial conclusion

This.

And for anyone who is taking fish oil capsules and burping up or otherwise tasting/smelling fish, you need to change brands. Hate to tell you, but you've been buying rancid capsules.

I've taken as many as 20 capsules a day (when I was recovering from serious injuries) and even when taking an absurdly high dosage like that, I wasn't getting a fishy aftertaste or breath.


Me either. But I did notice a lot less soreness after lifting heavy things and putting them back down.

/ very cold showers work well for that too
 
2012-09-12 12:00:51 AM  
Jim_Callahan:

AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

Helpful hint I've picked up from having a lot of medical types in the family:

When your doctor says "it can't hurt" or "sure, I'll prescribe that if you want" or they recommend the brand of whatever that you specifically requested over the other brands of the same drug, what they mean is "the placebo effect will make you feel better about yourself".

Being a doctor/nurse is apparently a lot like being a machine operator, once you've done the things that actually help you tend to fall back on messing around with religious voodoo for entertainment while you wait to see if the fix worked.


Which is how we end up with doctors prescribing antibiotics for people who have viral infections.

Antibiotics won't do a damn bit of good for a viral issue, but... "Dammit! I'm the customer! I want and expect a pill!"

It's not just the placebo effect. It's an issue of a patient complaining from the rooftops if they don't get *something* they expect for their money.

Will the antibiotics hurt? Probably not, although they may help with secondary infections. Will they fix the base problem? Hell no, but try *not* giving a patient a pill.
 
2012-09-12 12:01:19 AM  
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2012-09-12 12:07:15 AM  

RogermcAllen: RickN99: RogermcAllen: //KEEP THAT shiat IN THE REFRIGERATOR!!!!

Why do you say that? The bottle on my desk says to "store at room temperature, tightly closed".

At the base level, my jar starts to smell a little fishy on the inside if I leave it out for a day. Sure, it doesn't smell outside, but I'd rather not open up the jar to fish stink.

From the quality standpoint there are several advantages. I buy the big jar buy one get one free, so I end up with almost a year's worth. Keeping it cold slows oxidation (rancid dead fish smell), which keeps the oil good longer. Refrigerators help keep the humidity lower. Higher humidity = softer capsule = more oxygen is able to permeate the capsule = more oxidation. The refrigerator also ensures the oil is stored in the dark (uv light promotes oxidation). Never buy the ones in the clear jar since they are almost guaranteed to be oxidized (much like beer in clear bottles is just about guaranteed to be skunked).


Oh, boy. I have a 6-month supply in a clear bottle that sits on my desk. I'm doomed. :)
 
2012-09-12 12:28:13 AM  

Jim_Callahan: AlwaysRightBoy: My doctor has basically said the same thing (he has me at four pills a day), he also said they certainly do not hurt.

Helpful hint I've picked up from having a lot of medical types in the family:

When your doctor says "it can't hurt" or "sure, I'll prescribe that if you want" or they recommend the brand of whatever that you specifically requested over the other brands of the same drug, what they mean is "the placebo effect will make you feel better about yourself".

Being a doctor/nurse is apparently a lot like being a machine operator, once you've done the things that actually help you tend to fall back on messing around with religious voodoo for entertainment while you wait to see if the fix worked.


To be clear, this is only a supplement to the real medicine I take.
/ I get a jar of 1000 for about $7 

As long as I see see somewhat of a benefit.. I'm not really worried.
 
2012-09-12 12:29:59 AM  
At the risk of completely nerding out everyone in this thread, the reported study (Rizos, 2012) is a meta-analysis of undefined-dose EPA/DHA supplementation.
t1.gstatic.com

On the one hand, its results are consistent with the negative results found in Alpha Omega (Kromhout 2010) and ORIGIN (Bosch 2012). (goddammit, NEJM, why you gotta be all 403 about ORIGIN and not A-O while I'm trying to do science?)

On the other hand, earlier work in the form of the JELIS study (Yokoyama 2007) suggests EPA can reduce CV events when combined with statins, and subsequent work in the form of MARINE (Bays 2011) and ANCHOR (Brinton 2011) suggests that EPA affects lipid profiles differentially (and beneficially) when compared to a combination of EPA/DHA.

On the gripping hand, the multibillion-dollar unanswered question is whether or not those improved lipid profiles (LDL, HDL, ApoB) actually lead to decreased cardiovascular risk when EPA is combined with statins. That study, REDUCE-IT, is enrolling patients right now. JELIS provided a tantalizing hint that this might work, but the jury will still be out on REDUCE-IT for at least 2-3 years.

I have both a personal and financial interest in a positive outcome for REDUCE-IT. If it works, great, but even if it doesn't work, I am willing to wager a few bucks that I might not have to wait for the interim data to come out before I get paid.
 
2012-09-12 01:18:13 AM  

El Dudereno: Me either. But I did notice a lot less soreness after lifting heavy things and putting them back down.


Yes, it'll do that - omega 3 fatty acids are very anti-inflamatory, which is the basis of many of fish oil's benefits.
 
2012-09-12 03:51:32 AM  

pseudowho: mark12A: Somebody cherry picked 20 studies out of hundreds, did a meta analysis that gave them a controversial conclusion

This.

And for anyone who is taking fish oil capsules and burping up or otherwise tasting/smelling fish, you need to change brands. Hate to tell you, but you've been buying rancid capsules.

I've taken as many as 20 capsules a day (when I was recovering from serious injuries) and even when taking an absurdly high dosage like that, I wasn't getting a fishy aftertaste or breath.


What brand do you use. I have been looking into taking these as a daily supplement to help with my joint pain and for my cholesterol.
 
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