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(Mental Floss)   Can you really snuff a double-naught spy quietly at a cocktail party using a silencer, or quickly subdue a young lovely with a chloroform-soaked rag? Here comes the science   (mentalfloss.com ) divider line
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2012-09-11 08:31:13 PM  
That's like 8th grade stuff.
Try toppling an entire regime with a propped up dictator, who isn't really qualified, and then allow him to run amok, and then trick another nation into he had anything to do with the attacks on the world trade center, and then invade the country you set him up in and claim he had WMD on him when he didn't and use that to stage another attack on a different country and burn enough money to heat every home in north America during a few cold winters, then claim victory, like you just set up a tin can and shot it with a sawed off 10 gauge at point blank and declared yourself a marksman, and how farked up is you audience to believe that?

We'll see this November.
Both sides win.
Both sides lose.
 
2012-09-11 08:48:36 PM  
No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.
 
2012-09-11 08:50:44 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-11 09:15:51 PM  
cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com
 
2012-09-11 09:21:16 PM  
Yeah, my professor told me about the chloroform thing besides the fact that we were working with it almost daily. Actually what he said was, "No, if you did that you would have to wrestle with them for quite a bit before they went under." I found it a bit, unsettling, the way he said it.
 
2012-09-11 10:25:20 PM  

doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.


Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.
 
2012-09-11 10:31:55 PM  
That "chloroform-soaked rag" just HAPPENS TO BE MY WIFE!
 
I'm just trying to push the boundries of comedy that doesn't work on any level. 
 
THIS GUN CAN NOT BE SILENCED!.
 
2012-09-11 11:09:58 PM  

doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.


Could be bullshiat, but if I remember right one of the MP5 suppressors combined with subsonic rounds is quiet enough that the only noise you hear are the rounds clicking as they cycle through the chamber.

/used to play way too much Rogue Spear
 
2012-09-11 11:22:03 PM  
i.imgur.com

"When you're a spy ... you can always ask for payment in yoghurt."
 
2012-09-11 11:22:11 PM  

doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.


Work at a gun range with full autos and SUPPRESSORS, came here to say just that... Glad to know someone else caught that. Its so anoying when people are arguing a point about guns and they use terms like silencer or clip... There are around three guns that still ise clips, get your terms straight, esp if your making legislation... A gun shroud is not an "over the shoulder thing"......
 
2012-09-11 11:22:11 PM  
FTA: Have you ever noticed that on TV, it takes detectives three minutes or more to trace a phone call, but in a pinch someone can write a code to hack into a computer in half that time when it comes to tracking down a criminal? Programming requires many complex steps, including making changes to the existing code, compiling it, testing it, and debugging it. Just waiting for a compiler to finish its job can take hours. Even the best hacker cannot click a few keys and access a perp's password-protected files within a matter of minutes.

While I agree that hacking doesn't look anything like you see in most/all Hollywood movies, what does that have to do with programming? "Cracker" types use existing software, they don't need to write their own because there's already plenty of tools out there.
 
2012-09-11 11:25:33 PM  

WRXminion: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Work at a gun range with full autos and SUPPRESSORS, came here to say just that... Glad to know someone else caught that. Its so anoying when people are arguing a point about guns and they use terms like silencer or clip... There are around three guns that still ise clips, get your terms straight, esp if your making legislation... A gun shroud is not an "over the shoulder thing"......


Yeah yeah yeah, and my watch isn't waterproof, it's water resistant.
 
2012-09-11 11:28:15 PM  

doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.


DRFTA but this. There is no real known way to reduce the aural output of a gun to the trademark "Thpt" of movies. It doesn't work that way. If it did - hide yo chilren, hide yo wives, they murdering err'one up in here.
 
2012-09-11 11:30:40 PM  

MrEricSir: FTA: Have you ever noticed that on TV, it takes detectives three minutes or more to trace a phone call, but in a pinch someone can write a code to hack into a computer in half that time when it comes to tracking down a criminal? Programming requires many complex steps, including making changes to the existing code, compiling it, testing it, and debugging it. Just waiting for a compiler to finish its job can take hours. Even the best hacker cannot click a few keys and access a perp's password-protected files within a matter of minutes.

While I agree that hacking doesn't look anything like you see in most/all Hollywood movies, what does that have to do with programming? "Cracker" types use existing software, they don't need to write their own because there's already plenty of tools out there.


I think BOFH had it right (paraphrasing because I don't have the quote):

Boss: I forgot my laptop password. Windows won't let me in. Can you get around it?

BOFH: Oh yeah, that's difficult though. I'll have the PFY do it. He'll have to put in a linux CD, wait for it to boot...

Boss: ...and?

BOFH: ...and that's pretty much it, actually.
 
2012-09-11 11:34:18 PM  

Makh: Yeah, my professor told me about the chloroform thing besides the fact that we were working with it almost daily. Actually what he said was, "No, if you did that you would have to wrestle with them for quite a bit before they went under." I found it a bit, unsettling, the way he said it.


Like he was speaking from experience?
 
2012-09-11 11:37:00 PM  
Had a friend in college steal a bottle of chloroform from the chemistry dept. We would soak a rag with it and breath it in Fear and Loathing style (this was before the movie but not before I had read the book). A few seconds and your limbs would get real weak. I doubt you could get the result of unconsciousness in a few seconds but a few seconds is all you need to subdue your victim. It may take a while for true sleepy time but if they can't fight back time isn't an issue.
 
2012-09-11 11:38:47 PM  
Haven't tried chloroform yet, but everclear and apple cider work great for semi-consensual relations. So floppy drunk, she won't be able to resist some sweet, sweet lovin'. Once you get it in, they usually end up enjoying it anyway. This is what we're talking about, right?
 
2012-09-11 11:39:38 PM  
Apparently a quick jaunt to TVtropes.org and out pops an article! Neat!
 
2012-09-11 11:39:50 PM  
lh5.ggpht.com
 
2012-09-11 11:46:29 PM  
Cars do spontaneously combust. CHiPs wouldn't lie.
 
2012-09-11 11:48:06 PM  
The only one I didn't "know" was the headstone one, and I actually know how long it takes to get one made, I just never thought about it while watching a movie.

The last one is actually incorrect, sort of. Yes, labor is rarely quick, but statistically, if you ever want to deliver a baby, after doctor and midwife the most likely profession to do so is taxi driver.
 
2012-09-11 11:51:38 PM  
But today you just read that the man was shot dead
By a gun that didn't make any noise
 
2012-09-11 11:55:30 PM  

2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.


Ever dry fire a pistol? shiat's loud and unmistakable at a dinner party.

Now a supressed rifle from many yards away....
 
2012-09-11 11:55:33 PM  
When I was a kid, we had dichloromethane in the house, it's used to weld Plexiglas. DCM is chemically close to chloroform according to my trusty Britannica, so I did the obvious thing and started sniffing the DCM fumes. Yeah, it's not instant, and not very pleasant.
 
2012-09-11 11:57:05 PM  
Why not have the headstone made before you die? Only the date of death would have to be added.
 
2012-09-11 11:57:06 PM  
To clarify: It's true women don't go from breaking water to fully dilated in under an hour, but in real life women often don't realize their water has broken and bad luck, rush hour traffic or poor planning can lead to cab babies. You even hear urban legends about people calling a cab because they're afraid the might give birth in their Lexus.
 
2012-09-11 11:59:32 PM  

vudukungfu: That's like 8th grade stuff.
Try toppling an entire regime with a propped up dictator, who isn't really qualified, and then allow him to run amok, and then trick another nation into he had anything to do with the attacks on the world trade center, and then invade the country you set him up in and claim he had WMD on him when he didn't and use that to stage another attack on a different country and burn enough money to heat every home in north America during a few cold winters, then claim victory, like you just set up a tin can and shot it with a sawed off 10 gauge at point blank and declared yourself a marksman, and how farked up is you audience to believe that?

We'll see this November.
Both sides win.
Both sides lose.


Settle down, Beavis.
 
2012-09-12 12:00:27 AM  
#12 - BULLETS DO NOT SPARK WHEN THEY HIT SOMETHING.


2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.


Most pistol rounds don't.
 
2012-09-12 12:01:22 AM  
That video of the gunman in front of the Empire State Building being shot by the cops sure showed him falling over real dead-like. Although I don't know exactly which body part the bullets hit.
 
2012-09-12 12:02:38 AM  
Also, swords don't make noise.
 
2012-09-12 12:05:19 AM  

LindenFark: To clarify: It's true women don't go from breaking water to fully dilated in under an hour, but in real life women often don't realize their water has broken and bad luck, rush hour traffic or poor planning can lead to cab babies. You even hear urban legends about people calling a cab because they're afraid the might give birth in their Lexus.


What kind of boring urban legends are those?
 
2012-09-12 12:05:50 AM  

2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.


Came in here to say this. .45 ACP is pretty quiet when suppressed, but that doesn't kill the sounds of the action. The author obviously doesn't know that there are such things as subsonic rounds.
 
2012-09-12 12:08:27 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Like he was speaking from experience?


Let's just say, it left a bad taste in my mouth.
 
2012-09-12 12:14:00 AM  

Mangoose: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

DRFTA but this. There is no real known way to reduce the aural output of a gun to the trademark "Thpt" of movies. It doesn't work that way. If it did - hide yo chilren, hide yo wives, they murdering err'one up in here.


I've been next to a silenced gun that was so quiet you could literally hear the bullets fly through the air like slingshot rounds. It was surreal. The only other noise was the slide and the little "tap" of the bullet hitting the target.

So, yes, a gun can be silent. No, it didn't make that little sound they always do in the movies. The downside, of course, is that the round has to be subsonic.

/this was from a clip-fed .22 rifle, BTW. If it was a bolt-action I doubt there would have been any appreciable noise at all.
 
2012-09-12 12:21:45 AM  

JonZoidberg: 2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.

Came in here to say this. .45 ACP is pretty quiet when suppressed, but that doesn't kill the sounds of the action. The author obviously doesn't know that there are such things as subsonic rounds.


For best effectiveness of suppression, you need a single-shot weapon firing a subsonic round. T/C Contender with a .45 LC barrel and light loads might fit the bill, but isn't especially concealable... I'm always amused by silenced revolvers in TV and movies. Yeah, all that hot gas blowing out of the barrel-cylinder gap at significant pressure would never create any sort of shockwave, would it?
 
2012-09-12 12:25:12 AM  

Zombalupagus: Mangoose: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

DRFTA but this. There is no real known way to reduce the aural output of a gun to the trademark "Thpt" of movies. It doesn't work that way. If it did - hide yo chilren, hide yo wives, they murdering err'one up in here.

I've been next to a silenced gun that was so quiet you could literally hear the bullets fly through the air like slingshot rounds. It was surreal. The only other noise was the slide and the little "tap" of the bullet hitting the target.

So, yes, a gun can be silent. No, it didn't make that little sound they always do in the movies. The downside, of course, is that the round has to be subsonic.

/this was from a clip-fed .22 rifle, BTW. If it was a bolt-action I doubt there would have been any appreciable noise at all.


- 10/ tried to cram too much bullshiat in at once.
 
2012-09-12 12:34:25 AM  
Amnesia

Reminds me of the sound that the falling coconut would make when striking Gilligan's or the Skipper's head. Still makes me giggle.
 
2012-09-12 12:46:45 AM  

fusillade762: #12 - BULLETS DO NOT SPARK WHEN THEY HIT SOMETHING.


2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.

Most pistol rounds don't.


LOL

Name one not counting subsonic .22 rounds.
 
2012-09-12 01:03:58 AM  
Well you could always use a suppressor and then stuff the business end up the victims business end effectively suppressing the sound. You probably would just hear the click of the trigger and hammer but since the barrel is in your barrel so to speak, no sonic boom. Not that I know anything about that however.
 
2012-09-12 01:04:50 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: JonZoidberg: 2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.

Came in here to say this. .45 ACP is pretty quiet when suppressed, but that doesn't kill the sounds of the action. The author obviously doesn't know that there are such things as subsonic rounds.

For best effectiveness of suppression, you need a single-shot weapon firing a subsonic round. T/C Contender with a .45 LC barrel and light loads might fit the bill, but isn't especially concealable... I'm always amused by silenced revolvers in TV and movies. Yeah, all that hot gas blowing out of the barrel-cylinder gap at significant pressure would never create any sort of shockwave, would it?


There has been at least one legitimate silenced revolver. WWII and I think British. There was a shield that went behind the cylinder to block the gasses escaping.
 
2012-09-12 01:08:06 AM  

Psycoholic_Slag: Name one not counting subsonic .22 rounds.


GooBing can be your friend.
 
2012-09-12 01:09:08 AM  

Psycoholic_Slag: fusillade762: #12 - BULLETS DO NOT SPARK WHEN THEY HIT SOMETHING.


2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.

Most pistol rounds don't.

LOL

Name one not counting subsonic .22 rounds.


Link
 
2012-09-12 01:28:07 AM  

paleryder69: Well you could always use a suppressor and then stuff the business end up the victims business end effectively suppressing the sound. You probably would just hear the click of the trigger and hammer but since the barrel is in your barrel so to speak, no sonic boom. Not that I know anything about that however.


Jesus.
 
2012-09-12 01:31:41 AM  
If you didn't know about the "Crime Scene Aftermath" one, you probably should never use the phrase "FML" ever.

/and even then it reminds you there are worse things in life...
 
2012-09-12 01:40:52 AM  

Psycoholic_Slag: fusillade762: #12 - BULLETS DO NOT SPARK WHEN THEY HIT SOMETHING.


2wolves: doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.

Rounds that do not break the sound barrier do exist. Still makes some noise.

Most pistol rounds don't.

LOL

Name one not counting subsonic .22 rounds.


.45 ACP. I think that is pretty much it unless you hand load.
 
2012-09-12 02:27:03 AM  
Should have known this would become a gun fapping thread.
 
2012-09-12 02:30:27 AM  
TFA: Even if the victim receives a direct wound to the heart, it will take several minutes for complete circulatory collapse

As I understand human physiology, once the heart stops beating your blood stops pumping. Without fresh blood your organs will quickly run out of oxygen, and while your muscles are capable of a limited amount of anaerobic operation the brain is not. Even if you managed to remain standing, you would lose consciousness very quickly. It might take a few seconds, but they certainly would not be still moving around for several minutes as TFA implied.
 
2012-09-12 02:32:38 AM  

doglover: No. Silencers don't exist. Supressors do, and they only stop a percentage of the noise. Even 95% of a gun's action less is very loud.


A well built supressor for a 10-.22 removes virtually all of the sound of the rifle firing. The bullet however still makes a weird pzzzzzziiiiing sound. Mind you that was a device some 3" in diameter and a foot long that we called Puff. It's not practical and it reduced the accuracy by a good 50% but it did make the rifle quiet enough for some suburban bird killing.
 
2012-09-12 02:36:01 AM  
Older sitcoms and cartoons often featured a character suffering from amnesia, and, according to the plot, the only "cure" to restore their memory was to conk them on the head one more time

Did anyone think this was a good idea? Next you will tell me when startled cats do not actually separate into a dermal, muscular, organ, and skeletal layer and then meld back together into a functioning organism in order to flee.
 
2012-09-12 02:38:17 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Psycoholic_Slag: Name one not counting subsonic .22 rounds.

GooBing can be your friend.


Huh, learn something new every day. For some reason I thought almost all pistol rounds were subsonic.


CujoQuarrel: There has been at least one legitimate silenced revolver. WWII and I think British. There was a shield that went behind the cylinder to block the gasses escaping.


There are a couple. This is the one you're probably thinking of:

Nagant M1895

upload.wikimedia.org

There's a newer Russian one, too (though it's more about the round itself, apparently).

OTs-38 Stechkin silent revolver

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
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