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2012-09-11 03:19:22 PM  

FarkedOver: Marine1: Religious fundamentalists who use violence to further their means. Specifically, in this case, those who follow militant Islam

Why is militant islam at odds with the US? Do they hate our freedoms? Do they have legitimate gripes?


I think they are wanting to took our jerbs
 
2012-09-11 03:19:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Amos Quito: Protip: Watch the video.

So I've got a video with no indication of what time it was actually being transmitted, a Chyron that be representing more up-to-date information that what is being shown in the video, and a "LIVE" indicator that randomly appears and disappears throughout the video. And your conclusion is that this is proof that a building next to two large buildings that just got hit by airplanes was demolished, but the super-duper secret plan to do this was for some reason leaked to a foreign government's news service so it would make it slightly easier for them to produce their news by allowing some flunky to type a single sentence into the Chyron generator a few minutes early only someone else screwed up and broadcast it earlier than was "supposed" to have happend.

Rrrrriiiiiiiight.

/Occam's Razor, how does it farking work?


[t0.gstatic.com image 272x185]

^ WTC 7 just prior to collapse ^

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x367]

^ BBC reporter talking about the recent collapse of WTC 7 ^

Is the building over her left shoulder WTC 7, or just some building that looks a lot like WTC 7? 

If it isn't WTC 7, what building is it?


Dude, we've been over this. The OTHER side of WTC 7 at that time was engulfed in flames and structurally compromised, you can see it in the pictures of that side that you never show. Also, based on your BBC shot, and given the location of WTC 7, that can't possibly be WTC 7. It has to be another building misidentified as WTC 7.
 
2012-09-11 03:20:50 PM  

TommyymmoT: Correction:

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?


It would help if Fark stayed working for 5 minutes in a row.


Ooops wrong thread.
 
2012-09-11 03:21:23 PM  

Amos Quito:
And said people in "mud huts" had WHAT to do with bringing down said buildings and killing the "more worthy" people?


Who cares, mudpeople are fungible.
 
2012-09-11 03:21:59 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: NutWrench: AntonChigger: inb4 all the "BUSH WAS THE REAL TERRORIST WHAARGARBL 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" folks come crawling out of the woodwork.

/Grabs some popcorn and a front row seat

How about, "Bush was a miserable failure at everything he did in life, including the presidency and a lot of stupid people voted for him. Twice."

He was successful at becoming president...twice


Once.
 
2012-09-11 03:22:37 PM  

Thunderpipes: Wow, new low for even Fark guys. 3500 people lost family members, you don't care. This is not a left or right issue. Just... wow.



Yeah, and in response "we" killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

Seems like a long way to go to harass and kill people who had nothing to do with 9-11.

Why not just kill Mexicans, Canadians or Cubans? Think of the fuel savings!
 
2012-09-11 03:23:25 PM  

phojo1946: I have wondered how these militant islamists would take it if we gave in to them and set up an country for them to live it according to their professed desires. Set them up in the Sinai, for instance, and let them have it their way...no electricity, no cars, no prepared food, no medicine that did not exist back in the 8th century, no purified water, no radio, no tv, no AK-47's (just swords), eating goat meat cooked over a camel poop fire, living in tents, no sanitation. See how long that lasts before they come down with a kidney stone or diabetes and want medicine or a doctor. How about turning Gaza into another area of no modern convienences for those wanting to go back to the 8th century and letting those wanting to be a part of the 21st century live in the West Bank? I wonder how long it would take for those people to decide that they really didn't want to live like that...that they really want to enjoy the life in the real world.


That's not what they want. What they want is power, which can only come from making other people do what you want them to do.

/Note how the above statement can be applied to just about every ruling group throughout world history.
 
2012-09-11 03:25:18 PM  

Amos Quito: Hellbound: Amos Quito: Enjoy.

Right, so that means it's the Jews


Which Jews?


Hellbound: Not that now Americans will understand what the Jews are facing


What which Jews are facing? American Jews? Canadian Jews? British Jews? Which Jews?


Hellbound: which is what he actually meant but that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy.


Like most Hasbarat megaphones, you can't seem to figure out the difference between "JEWS" and "ISRAELIS" or "ZIONISTS". Strange mental disconnect you have going there.


Hellbound: You're like a broken anti-semitic record.


Bibi is the one who said that Israel is "benefiting" from the attack on the twin towers AND the American aggression against Iraq (who had NOTHING to do with 9-11, remember?)


Hellbound: And regarding your building 7 conspiracy, even nutjob supreme like the guy behind loose Change thinks it's ridiculous.


All I said was that the BBC was prophetic - and thanks for the link - because they admit that the building in the shot IS WTC 7, and that they were reporting that it HAD FALLEN while it still stood in the background.

From your link:

"It is certainly true that on 9/11 the BBC broadcast that WTC7 had collapsed when it was still standing. Then the satellite transmission seemed to cut out mysteriously when the correspondent was still talking."

"When I said "pull it", I really meant "pull my finger".

You may now carry on with your Semitic conspiracy theories.


Did i bring you to the "it's the Jews!!" stage sooner than you anticipated ? you seem a bit agitated. You were at the initial "it's a conspiracy!" stage so i only helped you along.
I know the difference between Israelis, Jews and Zionists. I also know that you are an anti-semite clown.

Amos Quito: Bibi is the one who said that Israel is "benefiting"


because now the Americans understand what Israel is facing (not the same scale obviously) on a daily basis, like i said. but to you this means "it's the Jews!".
 
2012-09-11 03:26:02 PM  

Thunderpipes: Wow, new low for even Fark guys.


This isn't new.
 
2012-09-11 03:27:28 PM  

PsiChi: All those into intellectual integrity should check out Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth's website. Anyone who saw the "attacks," even on TV, could tell that this was a planned demolition. Well, three planned demolitions: Link

Here's the thing. The same freaks in our government who did this have more surprises in store for us here in the United States, and probably very soon. Please delve into this, people, if you haven't already. If they'll kill so many innocents here, just to start a war and make money for the military-industrial complex off their blood, they will do anything, and I do believe they're about to here. And just as they tried to blame it on "brown people," "Muslims," and "Iraq," they will now try to pin it on Russia, and Iran, and who knows who else. And it won't just be a couple of buildings falling down.

Time is of the essence.


That's funny, I though people like him might think time is a cube

http://www.timecube.com/
 
2012-09-11 03:29:48 PM  
Meanwhile, the "boogiemen" are trashing our Cairo embassy right now....
 
2012-09-11 03:29:50 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


It's interesting that prosecution of Jihadists spiked the year Obama took the oath of office. 

What, was Bush holding them in reserve?


i2.cdn.turner.com

What i love is in the elections years only, how many "non-jihadists" go down!!! its like, well round up any "trrrrrst" voters!!
 
2012-09-11 03:31:12 PM  

Amos Quito: Yeah, and in response "we" killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians.


So, in comparison to the US-backed sanctions which allegedly killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi civilians before the second Gulf War, the invasion must have been a relief.
 
2012-09-11 03:33:59 PM  

TapDancingTamarin: indylaw: I went to bed last night thinking that maybe we'd moved beyond the morbid death cult of 9/11. But no, I wake up this morning and some of my friends post "Never forget" on their stupid farking facebooks.

Oh, that we could forget. That we could go back to a time when we don't spend trillions of dollars hacking and slashing at phantoms and wars brought on false pretenses and justified by fears. That we could go back to a time where the only people that expressed the notion that their political opponents were all traitors were complete farking lunatics living in the shadows. That we didn't have to go through this theater of throwing away our cup of coffee and undo our belt and our shoes and let some minimum-wage mall-cop cretin feel us up FOR FREEDOM before we can board a plane to go home for Thanksgiving. That we could stop this morbid never-ending grief musical every September where we turn 3000 bankers and office grunts who were in the wrong place at the wrong time into martyrs of the Second American Century.

I farking hate 9/11. I'm tired of having to pretend that I still care deeply or else I'm some sort of traitor. It's been over a decade. Let those people rest in peace rather than digging up their bones for your political song and dance, and let the rest of us get on with trying to live our lives with some semblance of sanity, dignity, and liberty.

^^THIS^^


Seconded.
 
2012-09-11 03:36:36 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Amos Quito: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Amos Quito: Protip: Watch the video.

So I've got a video with no indication of what time it was actually being transmitted, a Chyron that be representing more up-to-date information that what is being shown in the video, and a "LIVE" indicator that randomly appears and disappears throughout the video. And your conclusion is that this is proof that a building next to two large buildings that just got hit by airplanes was demolished, but the super-duper secret plan to do this was for some reason leaked to a foreign government's news service so it would make it slightly easier for them to produce their news by allowing some flunky to type a single sentence into the Chyron generator a few minutes early only someone else screwed up and broadcast it earlier than was "supposed" to have happend.

Rrrrriiiiiiiight.

/Occam's Razor, how does it farking work?


[t0.gstatic.com image 272x185]

^ WTC 7 just prior to collapse ^

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x367]

^ BBC reporter talking about the recent collapse of WTC 7 ^

Is the building over her left shoulder WTC 7, or just some building that looks a lot like WTC 7? 

If it isn't WTC 7, what building is it?

Dude, we've been over this. The OTHER side of WTC 7 at that time was engulfed in flames and structurally compromised, you can see it in the pictures of that side that you never show. Also, based on your BBC shot, and given the location of WTC 7, that can't possibly be WTC 7. It has to be another building misidentified as WTC 7.



Nah, the building was WTC 7, and they did jump the gun on reporting its collapse.

Read this (thanks Hellbound!)

From the BBC article:

"It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen
."


Of course this was a completely honest mistake - the building WAS on fire, and as we all know, ALL steel frame skyscrapers that catch fire collapse into their own footprint.

Always.

Or at least any that catch fire and become structurally compromised on the eleventh day of the ninth month seem to.

And that would make three, total.

Perfectly predictable.
 
2012-09-11 03:36:52 PM  

Harv72b: Amos Quito: Yeah, and in response "we" killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

So, in comparison to the US-backed sanctions which allegedly killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi civilians before the second Gulf War, the invasion must have been a relief.


Anyone for a million?
 
2012-09-11 03:42:11 PM  

Amos Quito: Of course this was a completely honest mistake - the building WAS on fire, and as we all know, ALL steel frame skyscrapers that catch fire collapse into their own footprint.

Always.


Genuinely curious: can you provide an example of a skyscraper which caught fire and collapsed, but not in its own footprint?

/Keeping in mind that "footprint" appears to include an area several hundred feet to every side of the structure.
 
2012-09-11 03:46:23 PM  

indylaw: I farking hate 9/11. I'm tired of having to pretend that I still care deeply or else I'm some sort of traitor. It's been over a decade. Let those people rest in peace rather than digging up their bones for your political song and dance, and let the rest of us get on with trying to live our lives with some semblance of sanity, dignity, and liberty.


And tell me again why you hate 9/11... yet went on a 9/11 thread?

I understand your point though. In NYC, we all talk about it today to varying extents. Are we trying to get over it? Sure. But there's a cloud over this beautiful, sunny Fall day and we can all feel it. We all have memories of what went on, and the aftermath... and while I agree that much of the "broohaha" over 9/11 is political, you have to be reminded that most NYers (and I'm sure also in PA and DC) have much more emotional and personal experiences. Its something we don't try to discuss, but we ALL have it. 9/11 is an oddly cathartic day for us.

It will be odd to see people in the next generation begin to "forget". But for those of us who actually experienced it, it is much harder to.
 
2012-09-11 03:47:41 PM  

FinFangFark: Because it needs to be done:
[zedzeek.com image 728x800]


Too soon.
 
2012-09-11 03:48:55 PM  

Hellbound: Did i bring you to the "it's the Jews!!" stage sooner than you anticipated ? you seem a bit agitated. You were at the initial "it's a conspiracy!" stage so i only helped you along.
I know the difference between Israelis, Jews and Zionists.



Really? Then why do you say "Jews" when you mean "Israelis"? Are you that desperate to play the anti-Semite card?

Hellbound: I also know that you are an anti-semite clown.



Well, I guess you are, aren't you.

Pathetic.

Hellbound: Amos Quito: Bibi is the one who said that Israel is "benefiting"

because now the Americans understand what Israel is facing (not the same scale obviously) on a daily basis, like i said. but to you this means "it's the Jews!".



As Bibi said, Israel "benefited" from the attack on the twin towers, and from the American war on Iraq.

That's nice. I'm glad SOMEONE benefited. Because Americans sure didn't, and the Iraqis sure as HELL didn't.

Like they say, "it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good". I guess the Israelis were the primary beneficiaries of the 9-11 blow-job, weren't they? 

Lucky them.
 
2012-09-11 03:50:10 PM  
i114.photobucket.com
"He's more machine than man now..."
 
2012-09-11 03:52:32 PM  

Harv72b: Amos Quito: Of course this was a completely honest mistake - the building WAS on fire, and as we all know, ALL steel frame skyscrapers that catch fire collapse into their own footprint.

Always.

Genuinely curious: can you provide an example of a skyscraper which caught fire and collapsed, but not in its own footprint?

/Keeping in mind that "footprint" appears to include an area several hundred feet to every side of the structure.



-Aside from WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7, I know of NO modern steel framed skyscraper that has EVER collapsed due to fire.

Footprints notwithstanding.


/Of course I may be wrong
//Could someone post examples?
///Thanks in advance
 
2012-09-11 03:54:56 PM  

NutWrench: AntonChigger: inb4 all the "BUSH WAS THE REAL TERRORIST WHAARGARBL 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" folks come crawling out of the woodwork.

/Grabs some popcorn and a front row seat

How about, "Bush was a miserable failure at everything he did in life, including the presidency and a lot of stupid people voted for him. Twice."


He was president twice, if that is failure, what are you?
 
2012-09-11 03:57:18 PM  

abhorrent1: But have the new yorkers victim cards expired yet?


They expire a couple of years after the blacks victim cards expire

/still waiting for that
 
2012-09-11 04:00:36 PM  

PsiChi: All those into intellectual integrity should check out Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth's website. Anyone who saw the "attacks," even on TV, could tell that this was a planned demolition. Well, three planned demolitions: Link

Here's the thing. The same freaks in our government who did this have more surprises in store for us here in the United States, and probably very soon. Please delve into this, people, if you haven't already. If they'll kill so many innocents here, just to start a war and make money for the military-industrial complex off their blood, they will do anything, and I do believe they're about to here. And just as they tried to blame it on "brown people," "Muslims," and "Iraq," they will now try to pin it on Russia, and Iran, and who knows who else. And it won't just be a couple of buildings falling down.

Time is of the essence.



Oh boy, a new one! I love collecting these things... *farkied*
 
2012-09-11 04:05:02 PM  
Amos Quito

You are not the holder of secret information.
You are not "special" and figured out what everybody else missed.
No matter how much you try to convince yourself.

You are mentally ill.


(or the greatest troll ever to hit Fark)
 
2012-09-11 04:08:47 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Amos Quito

You are not the holder of secret information.
You are not "special" and figured out what everybody else missed.
No matter how much you try to convince yourself.



Never said I was.


DontMakeMeComeBackThere: You are mentally ill.


(or the greatest troll ever to hit Fark)


Can't I be both?

;-)
 
2012-09-11 04:09:28 PM  

Marine1: HAMMERTOE: Marine1: Yes, these people are a menace.

So, how do we get rid of everybody who worships imaginary magical beings?

Because they're all evil, amirite?

/are you actually a "free thinker" or did Dawkins give that one to you in one of his releases?


Shouldn't you be Guarding That Wall instead of farking around online? If the military was a business and Zaywahri is still alive 11 years on, then your budget would probably be cut 50%. It must be nice to never have to worry about your budget, unless you end up in a VA hospital.
 
2012-09-11 04:11:38 PM  
The whole article is crap....

FTA:"There have been 10 deadly attacks in the United States by nonjihadist extremists since 9/11 compared to just four by jihadists. (One of those incidents was at Fort Hood, Texas, in 2009 in which 13 were killed.)"

Peter Bergen, and Jennifer Rowland are truly retarded or just good dhimmis
 
2012-09-11 04:12:30 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: You are not the holder of secret information.
You are not "special" and figured out what everybody else missed.
No matter how much you try to convince yourself.


You're right, he's not special, or has figured out something no one else has. There's lots of people like him who think for themselves, and apply critical thinking.

What makes me sad about the future of the human race are those who don't think for themselves, and let the TV do the thinking for them. If anything will doom us as a race, it's them.
 
2012-09-11 04:13:00 PM  

HectorSchwartz: Marine1: HectorSchwartz: All this BS amazes me. We lose a couple buildings and 3,500 people. We then retaliate by leveling entire cities and killing about 200,000 people.

/never forget!!!!1

You forget London, Madrid, Mumbai, Chechnya, Bali, and a few other places.

Yes, these people are a menace.

And guess what? They won. They farking won. We lost our civil liberties and our country is flat broke. They farking won.

/yes, they are a menace.
/We'll have to learn to live in poverty, just like them


Jarhead will see his grand-daughters, or daughters, trick themselves for visiting foreign (Chinese?) sex tourists, just as Russian soldiers' daughters did after 1991.

The people who get the most out of war are the people who stay out. Not much poverty in Switzerland.
 
2012-09-11 04:17:29 PM  

d23: [i114.photobucket.com image 350x250]
"He's more machine than man now..."


Boogie Machine?
 
2012-09-11 04:17:49 PM  

Woot_Gawd: NutWrench: AntonChigger: inb4 all the "BUSH WAS THE REAL TERRORIST WHAARGARBL 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" folks come crawling out of the woodwork.

/Grabs some popcorn and a front row seat

How about, "Bush was a miserable failure at everything he did in life, including the presidency and a lot of stupid people voted for him. Twice."

He was president twice, if that is failure, what are you?


Someone smart enough to know my limitations.
 
2012-09-11 04:18:14 PM  

croesius: I read the headline and thought "well, if terrorism is coming from Bergen, we should invade that place immediately".


Since War = mass displaced population = young women filling brothels serving foreign soldiers, I'm totally up for some Norwegian juicy girls. In between bouts of defending our freedoms, of course.
 
2012-09-11 04:27:41 PM  

Amos Quito: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Amos Quito: Protip: Watch the video.

So I've got a video with no indication of what time it was actually being transmitted, a Chyron that be representing more up-to-date information that what is being shown in the video, and a "LIVE" indicator that randomly appears and disappears throughout the video. And your conclusion is that this is proof that a building next to two large buildings that just got hit by airplanes was demolished, but the super-duper secret plan to do this was for some reason leaked to a foreign government's news service so it would make it slightly easier for them to produce their news by allowing some flunky to type a single sentence into the Chyron generator a few minutes early only someone else screwed up and broadcast it earlier than was "supposed" to have happend.

Rrrrriiiiiiiight.

/Occam's Razor, how does it farking work?


[t0.gstatic.com image 272x185]

^ WTC 7 just prior to collapse ^

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x367]

^ BBC reporter talking about the recent collapse of WTC 7 ^

Is the building over her left shoulder WTC 7, or just some building that looks a lot like WTC 7? 

If it isn't WTC 7, what building is it?


You do know that that's a TV screen/overlay behind her, not a window, right?
 
2012-09-11 04:28:36 PM  

FarkedOver: Marine1: I mean, that excuses everything... the stoning of women for going to school, blowing up police stations, kangaroo courts that execute Westerners, killing those who blaspheme Allah... it's because of us. Obviously.

You're right the west would never prop up dictators in the middle east, that later sowed the seeds of radical religious zealots seizing control. That would never happen.

I mean what was their other choice? Become Marxists, and suffer the same fate? The only solution was capitulate or become so bat shiat crazy they wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot pole.... we left them pretty good options.

Sometimes you just have to force people to be free. Right?


The US could avoid repressive military regimes and religious fundamentalists by supporting liberal moderate governments like those of Arbenz, Allende, Mossadegh....oh. wait.
 
2012-09-11 04:29:43 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Allende


Especially appropriate today.
 
2012-09-11 04:34:06 PM  

phojo1946: I have wondered how these militant islamists would take it if we gave in to them and set up an country for them to live it according to their professed desires. Set them up in the Sinai, for instance, and let them have it their way...no electricity, no cars, no prepared food, no medicine that did not exist back in the 8th century, no purified water, no radio, no tv, no AK-47's (just swords), eating goat meat cooked over a camel poop fire, living in tents, no sanitation. See how long that lasts before they come down with a kidney stone or diabetes and want medicine or a doctor. How about turning Gaza into another area of no modern convienences for those wanting to go back to the 8th century and letting those wanting to be a part of the 21st century live in the West Bank? I wonder how long it would take for those people to decide that they really didn't want to live like that...that they really want to enjoy the life in the real world.


They're religious fundamentalists, not Luddites. Sure, they're insane, but don't misrepresent their insanity.
 
2012-09-11 04:34:40 PM  

ialdabaoth: Amos Quito: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Amos Quito: Protip: Watch the video.

So I've got a video with no indication of what time it was actually being transmitted, a Chyron that be representing more up-to-date information that what is being shown in the video, and a "LIVE" indicator that randomly appears and disappears throughout the video. And your conclusion is that this is proof that a building next to two large buildings that just got hit by airplanes was demolished, but the super-duper secret plan to do this was for some reason leaked to a foreign government's news service so it would make it slightly easier for them to produce their news by allowing some flunky to type a single sentence into the Chyron generator a few minutes early only someone else screwed up and broadcast it earlier than was "supposed" to have happend.

Rrrrriiiiiiiight.

/Occam's Razor, how does it farking work?


[t0.gstatic.com image 272x185]

^ WTC 7 just prior to collapse ^

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x367]

^ BBC reporter talking about the recent collapse of WTC 7 ^

Is the building over her left shoulder WTC 7, or just some building that looks a lot like WTC 7? 

If it isn't WTC 7, what building is it?

You do know that that's a TV screen/overlay behind her, not a window, right?



I do know that the BBC admitted to reporting that the tower had collapsed while it still stood.

"It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."


So whether or not that was a "screen overlay", she was in fact reporting that the tower had fallen when it hadn't fallen (yet).

So what was your point?
 
2012-09-11 04:42:22 PM  

ialdabaoth: Amos Quito: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Amos Quito: Protip: Watch the video.

So I've got a video with no indication of what time it was actually being transmitted, a Chyron that be representing more up-to-date information that what is being shown in the video, and a "LIVE" indicator that randomly appears and disappears throughout the video. And your conclusion is that this is proof that a building next to two large buildings that just got hit by airplanes was demolished, but the super-duper secret plan to do this was for some reason leaked to a foreign government's news service so it would make it slightly easier for them to produce their news by allowing some flunky to type a single sentence into the Chyron generator a few minutes early only someone else screwed up and broadcast it earlier than was "supposed" to have happend.

Rrrrriiiiiiiight.

/Occam's Razor, how does it farking work?


[t0.gstatic.com image 272x185]

^ WTC 7 just prior to collapse ^

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x367]

^ BBC reporter talking about the recent collapse of WTC 7 ^

Is the building over her left shoulder WTC 7, or just some building that looks a lot like WTC 7? 

If it isn't WTC 7, what building is it?

You do know that that's a TV screen/overlay behind her, not a window, right?



2.bp.blogspot.com


Also, note that the light/shadows on her face correspond to the light/shadows on the buildings in the background.

Sure looks like she's outdoors, in the sunlight, doesn't it?

TV screen/overlay?
 
2012-09-11 04:45:39 PM  

Amos Quito: So what was your point?


I'm unsure how this reporting error factors into the debate at all, to be honest. Going from my own memories of the day, various major news networks also reported attacks on the Capitol Building and White House, numerous other aircraft allegedly being hijacked, etc. It was a huge, constantly-breaking story and many of their sources (and their sources' sources) were succumbing to a sort of paranoid hysteria. Hell, I was working at a (decommissioned) nuclear facility in South Carolina at the time and you should've seen all the security when they finally told us all to go home in the mid-afternoon.

/I did dig around & read some stuff regarding the lack of other modern skyscrapers to collapse due to fire/impact and found it extremely interesting reading (both sides of the argument). That said, I simply cannot bring myself to subscribe to any theory which requires the full cooperation of the international media in a Bush-backed conspiracy to be true.
 
2012-09-11 04:50:45 PM  

Amos Quito: Really? Then why do you say "Jews" when you mean "Israelis"?


I didn't meant Israelis, i meant Jews. As in you hate Jews. Or should i say strongly dislike ?
Hide it behind to more politically correct "no, no, see i hate israelis/Zionists". You're anti-semitic rants are legendary on Fark.

Amos Quito: I guess the Israelis were the primary beneficiaries of the 9-11 blow-job, weren't they? 

Lucky them.


Yes it was those sneaky Jews, they are behind 9/11. It's a Zionist conspiracy. Not a bunch of pissed off Saudi Muslim jihadists who consider you worthy of death because you are not a Muslim.
 
2012-09-11 04:51:32 PM  

Harv72b: Amos Quito: So what was your point?

I'm unsure how this reporting error factors into the debate at all, to be honest. Going from my own memories of the day, various major news networks also reported attacks on the Capitol Building and White House, numerous other aircraft allegedly being hijacked, etc. It was a huge, constantly-breaking story and many of their sources (and their sources' sources) were succumbing to a sort of paranoid hysteria. Hell, I was working at a (decommissioned) nuclear facility in South Carolina at the time and you should've seen all the security when they finally told us all to go home in the mid-afternoon.

/I did dig around & read some stuff regarding the lack of other modern skyscrapers to collapse due to fire/impact and found it extremely interesting reading (both sides of the argument). That said, I simply cannot bring myself to subscribe to any theory which requires the full cooperation of the international media in a Bush-backed conspiracy to be true.



I made no such implication. Just a day filled with many, many coincidences. That's all.


/Magical coincidences
//Magical
///Coincidences

Best to ignore the coincidences. Otherwise they'll call you a "troofer", and make you feel all bad and stuff

;-)
 
2012-09-11 04:59:24 PM  

Hellbound: Amos Quito: Really? Then why do you say "Jews" when you mean "Israelis"?

I didn't meant Israelis, i meant Jews. As in you hate Jews. Or should i say strongly dislike ?
Hide it behind to more politically correct "no, no, see i hate israelis/Zionists". You're anti-semitic rants are legendary on Fark.



Actually the misrepresentations of what I write - the relentless twisting of my words into something other that what they say BY FOLKS SUCH AS YOURSELF that is legendary.

Here is an example:


Hellbound: Amos Quito: I guess the Israelis were the primary beneficiaries of the 9-11 blow-job, weren't they?

Lucky them.

Yes it was those sneaky Jews, they are behind 9/11. It's a Zionist conspiracy. Not a bunch of pissed off Saudi Muslim jihadists who consider you worthy of death because you are not a Muslim.



See? YOU said that it was the "sneaky Jews", not I.

And now you'll run around saying that I said what YOU said.

How are legends born, Hellbound?

These particular "legends" are birthed through the mouths/fingers of liars, desperate, pathetic liars.

Tisk tisk.


/Gotta run
//Bye
///Carry on
 
2012-09-11 05:13:41 PM  

Amos Quito: See? YOU said that it was the "sneaky Jews", not I.

And now you'll run around saying that I said what YOU said.


And here we see your usual method of "I didn't say it, you did (AmosQuitoTM)". You think by only insinuating your insane anti-semitic conspiracies it somehow places you in the clear.

You blame "The Jews", i'm sorry, the "Zionist Conspiracy" on 9/11. That's actually pretty tame, i saw you blaming "the Zionists" on JFK's murder, the Amos Quito (TM) way, naturally.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-11 05:19:30 PM  
Pretty sure we've got real enemies now in West Pakistan and other related regions because of Bush's f*ckups. We're stuck with them until we lose the image of being an oppressive world power, something else the Republicans and other right wingers love bragging about.

It's no longer a boogeyman, subby, though it certainly was when Bush took office and lied to the tune of several trillion dollars to self-consciously wave our dick around the Middle East.
 
2012-09-11 05:32:30 PM  
I like the headline subby !
 
2012-09-11 05:33:42 PM  

whidbey: Pretty sure we've got real enemies now in West Pakistan and other related regions because of Bush's f*ckups. We're stuck with them until we lose the image of being an oppressive world power, something else the Republicans and other right wingers love bragging about.

It's no longer a boogeyman, subby, though it certainly was when Bush took office and lied to the tune of several trillion dollars to self-consciously wave our dick around the Middle East.


I love how we're the oppressive world power.

Pretty sure most of us couldn't pick out that place on a map until after they decided to come over and plow some planes into buildings.
 
2012-09-11 05:42:12 PM  
9/11 should not be a holiday, it should not be a day we wear on our sleeves nor a time when we tout our patriotism to the world because "we're Americans and we come out of tragedy to say 'fark you', these colors don't run".

But that is not American Exceptionalism, that is failure of the highest order. We are exceptional as Americans not because we can take on the world, or because we can hunt down and kill those who wronged us 11 years after the fact, but because we shouldn't let those things get to us. We shouldn't beat our chests and "whoop!" at every mention of "America!". We are civil, rational humans and should act as such. Nationalism, of any order, leads to suffering of every order.

We, as Americans, need to accept that we are not the greatest people of the world because we suffered a tremendous catastrophe on the morning of September 11th, 2001. We should look to the world and show that we've moved on, not just for our own sakes, but for the memories of those who gave their lives to save others that day, of the victims who lost their lives simply for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

So actually show respect and a worthwhile memory of those who lost their lives 12 years ago. Showing your "patriotism" by waving flags everywhere, by telling us that "these colors don't run" and that "freedom isn't free" and by calling those that are sick and tired of seeing the perversion of 3000 people's lives, not to mention all the lives that this affected "unpatriotic", because you want to show the world just how gosh-darned patriotic you are. You are not patriotic, you are a what is wrong with this nation and the aftermath of this tragedy.
 
2012-09-11 05:54:04 PM  

Amos Quito: Harv72b: Amos Quito: Of course this was a completely honest mistake - the building WAS on fire, and as we all know, ALL steel frame skyscrapers that catch fire collapse into their own footprint.

Always.

Genuinely curious: can you provide an example of a skyscraper which caught fire and collapsed, but not in its own footprint?

/Keeping in mind that "footprint" appears to include an area several hundred feet to every side of the structure.


-Aside from WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7, I know of NO modern steel framed skyscraper that has EVER collapsed due to fire.

Footprints notwithstanding.


/Of course I may be wrong
//Could someone post examples?
///Thanks in advance


Of course, nobody ever mentions the HUGE AIRPLANES FLYING AT TOP SPEED STRAIGHT INTO THE BUILDINGS when they go off about "How did they collapse from fire alone!?". Gee, Davey, I don't know, maybe it had something to do with the BIG-ASS AIRPLANES THAT HIT THE BUILDINGS FIRST!?

And what the hell were you expecting when they fell, some kind of Looney Tunes-esque keel over like a tree falling? They've been designing buildings for a long time that won't do that if they're compromised by something that endangers them to collapse.

Let's also look at the impacts themselves. The second tower was hit after the first one, and collapsed before the first one. However, it was hit further down and on a corner, weakening a vital section with more weight above it. Steel doesn't need to reach melting point to become weak, it loses roughly 50% of its strength at a temperature lower than melting point and which a fuel-, debris- and building material-fueled fire can reach. The plane impacts also blew off the heat protection from the steel.

And before anyone brings this up, the entire free-fall speed of the towers somehow being proof of controlled collapse. How? When anything falls, it's gonna reach its free-fall speed unless something gets in the way, whether it was accidentally or deliberately made to fall. It's like thinking that skydivers reach free-fall speeds, therefore someone was trying to murder them.
 
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