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(New York Daily News)   Just another day in NYC - kids hurrying to school, pet owners walking their dogs, a man carrying a loaded Uzi machine gun   (nydailynews.com) divider line 73
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2012-09-11 05:12:04 AM
From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.
 
2012-09-11 05:25:57 AM
Did his brother have a 9?
 
2012-09-11 05:34:41 AM
cdn.dualshockers.com

Amateur.
 
2012-09-11 05:35:21 AM

Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.


Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."
 
2012-09-11 05:36:01 AM
Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.
 
2012-09-11 05:36:13 AM
Two complaints:
1) it would be a submachine gun because it shoots pistol rounds
2) If it was an actual full auto submachine gun and not a semi auto version, he could sell it and pay for rent for a year.

/You're welcome for not reposting the journalist's guide to firearms image.
 
2012-09-11 05:45:19 AM

No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."


Yeah, but back when they drafted the Bill of Rights, those people were named George and Robert and Franklin.
 
2012-09-11 05:52:09 AM

DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.


Also: fark you, submitter.
 
2012-09-11 05:53:08 AM

No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."


In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.
 
2012-09-11 06:27:43 AM
"Over hill, over dale,
We have hit the dusty trail,
While those Quaseans go rolling along..."
 
2012-09-11 06:34:17 AM
"Quasean" ?
"Quasi-anne"?
"Quasi-ahn"?
"Kwaseeyawn"?
"Koo-wah-see-yanne"?
"Billy"?
 
2012-09-11 06:34:48 AM

duffblue: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Also: fark you, submitter.


That, and this.
 
2012-09-11 06:44:38 AM
Just another gun toting, Bible stomping liberal from the deep North.
 
2012-09-11 06:50:34 AM

duffblue: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Also: fark you, submitter.



Thankfully, if you're ever in a dangerous situation involving someone with a gun you guys will be able to identify the weapon before bullets launched with less frequency impale your flesh.
 
2012-09-11 06:53:08 AM

DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.


Specifically, it's an Uzi pistol, which is a semiautomatic version of the MIcro Uzi.

However, NY state law includes submachine guns in its definition of machine guns, so that may explain the journalist's error.
 
2012-09-11 07:04:30 AM

david_gaithersburg: Just another gun toting, Bible stomping liberal from the deep North.


I'm sure those fine guardians of Americans' God-given rights at the NRA will be stepping in at any moment to defend this patriot.
 
2012-09-11 07:07:10 AM

Porous Horace: "Quasean" ?
"Quasi-anne"?
"Quasi-ahn"?
"Kwaseeyawn"?
"Koo-wah-see-yanne"?
"Billy"?


"Notgoingtoworkhereanymore, that's for sure."
 
2012-09-11 07:08:13 AM

Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.


Exactly. So this wasn't a gun, it must have been some sort of chocolate easter-uzi or something. The dude just threw it away because he remembers the NYPD's history of shooting people for wallets and stuff.
 
2012-09-11 07:09:39 AM

Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.


Which don't seem to work to stop anybody but those they were designed to stop.

Completely. Useless.

/Which seems to be descriptive of a lot of shiat that comes out of new yuk.
 
JJD
2012-09-11 07:20:02 AM

Porous Horace: "Quasean" ?
"Quasi-anne"?
"Quasi-ahn"?
"Kwaseeyawn"?
"Koo-wah-see-yanne"?
"Billy"?


Kwame?
 
2012-09-11 07:31:35 AM

The Madd Mann: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Specifically, it's an Uzi pistol, which is a semiautomatic version of the MIcro Uzi.

However, NY state law includes submachine guns in its definition of machine guns, so that may explain the journalist's error.


Still doesn't explain the journalist not doing his research and realizing that an Uzi Pistol is semi-auto and thus, not a "Machine Gun" per BATFE definitions.
 
2012-09-11 07:32:03 AM
ASSAULT PISTOL!
 
2012-09-11 07:32:23 AM

The Madd Mann: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Specifically, it's an Uzi pistol, which is a semiautomatic version of the MIcro Uzi.

However, NY state law includes submachine guns in its definition of machine guns, so that may explain the journalist's error.


Errm, actually, the set "submachine guns" is merely a subset of the set "machine guns". A machine gun is merely a gun that continues to fire automatically as long as the trigger is depressed. Submachine guns are machine guns that use pistol rounds instead of rifle rounds. Generally they are magazine fed, and more compact than machine guns that use rifle rounds.

New York State law doesn't distinguish between machine guns and submachine guns, but it *DOES* distinguish between semiautomatic pistols and machine guns.
 
2012-09-11 07:48:43 AM
Unpossible. The man is a felon, and in new york city. Its against the law for him to have a gun.
 
2012-09-11 07:49:52 AM

jafiwam: Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.

Which don't seem to work to stop anybody but those they were designed to stop.

Completely. Useless.


Actually they're a great deterrent and give the state the means to level harsh charges against violators.

When gun laws are put in place, nobody has ever once claimed they will work like magic and make guns disappear.
 
2012-09-11 08:00:46 AM

HotWingConspiracy: jafiwam: Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.

Which don't seem to work to stop anybody but those they were designed to stop.

Completely. Useless.

Actually they're a great deterrent and give the state the means to level harsh charges against violators.

When gun laws are put in place, nobody has ever once claimed they will work like magic and make guns disappear.


No, they claim that when they petition for implementation, not for when they actually fail. When they fail, they resort to the bullshiat you are saying right now.
 
2012-09-11 08:04:13 AM

Yogimus: HotWingConspiracy: jafiwam: Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.

Which don't seem to work to stop anybody but those they were designed to stop.

Completely. Useless.

Actually they're a great deterrent and give the state the means to level harsh charges against violators.

When gun laws are put in place, nobody has ever once claimed they will work like magic and make guns disappear.

No, they claim that when they petition for implementation, not for when they actually fail. When they fail, they resort to the bullshiat you are saying right now.


They haven't failed. Unless, of course, your standard is they're supposed to work like magic and make guns disappear. Which would make you retarded or dishonest. Maybe both.
 
2012-09-11 08:07:44 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

UZI 9mm

www.kitsune.addr.com

MAC 10

The only question I have though is, who was he intending to "meet"?
 
2012-09-11 08:11:47 AM

God-is-a-Taco: duffblue: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Also: fark you, submitter.


Thankfully, if you're ever in a dangerous situation involving someone with a gun you guys will be able to identify the weapon before bullets launched with less frequency impale your flesh.


Knowing that the bullets being launched at me are of a pistol caliber rather than a rifle caliber is pretty significant when it comes to how substantial my cover has to be. Hell, pistol rounds are almost completely ineffective against even soft body armor. Unless he gets lucky and shoots me in the head, neck, or femoral artery, I'll probably be fine if I'm wearing any kind of armor, even without plates. Identifying the weapon also gives me an idea of how many shots he can fire before he has to reload, and how frequently and accurately I can expect those shots to be fired. Lastly, sufficient familiarity with the weapon ensures that I can handle it safely, or even use it myself if it comes to that.

The ability to identify weapons is far from useless, unless your only interaction with them is going to be "standing there like an idiot and getting shot." If that was your plan, then yeah, it really doesn't matter what kind of bullets are going into you or what kind of gun those bullets came from... unless you survive and have to tell the cops what kind of gun it was.
 
2012-09-11 08:15:42 AM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-09-11 08:25:45 AM
I don't think that's a "machine gun". It's not even a submachine gun. It's a semiautomatic 9mm pistol.

This is a machine gun. 

blogs.sfweekly.com
 
2012-09-11 08:26:03 AM

tallen702: The Madd Mann: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Specifically, it's an Uzi pistol, which is a semiautomatic version of the MIcro Uzi.

However, NY state law includes submachine guns in its definition of machine guns, so that may explain the journalist's error.

Still doesn't explain the journalist not doing his research and realizing that an Uzi Pistol is semi-auto and thus, not a "Machine Gun" per BATFE definitions.


I'm guessing that the gun pictured in TFA is just the result of a journalist getting lazy and Googling "Uzi," and that the actual weapon was really a "machine gun." Unless the journalist was just completely making shiat up, the guy was explicitly being charged with possessing a machine gun. The typical NYPD cop might not know the difference, but I doubt it would have made it that far without somebody noticing that it was just a semi-automatic pistol.
 
2012-09-11 08:41:15 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Yogimus: HotWingConspiracy: jafiwam: Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.

Which don't seem to work to stop anybody but those they were designed to stop.

Completely. Useless.

Actually they're a great deterrent and give the state the means to level harsh charges against violators.

When gun laws are put in place, nobody has ever once claimed they will work like magic and make guns disappear.

No, they claim that when they petition for implementation, not for when they actually fail. When they fail, they resort to the bullshiat you are saying right now.

They haven't failed. Unless, of course, your standard is they're supposed to work like magic and make guns disappear. Which would make you retarded or dishonest. Maybe both.


What have they achieved?
By your own admission they aren't gotten guns off the streets, as was their express purpose.
Now we have to read between the lines and search for a more esoteric meaning to justify it all.

Using a gun related crime as a litmus test to say "well NOW we should throw him in jail for good" apparently didn't prevent this guy from racking up fifteen previous encounters with the law.

It would make more sense to stop pretending the gun is the problem and start focusing on the person.
If the laws against other crimes are too relaxed, they need to be strengthened. It makes more sense than to invent new reasons to do what should have been done from the start.
 
2012-09-11 08:44:03 AM

HotWingConspiracy: jafiwam: Bathia_Mapes: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

In case you weren't aware, NYC has some fairly strict gun laws.

Which don't seem to work to stop anybody but those they were designed to stop.

Completely. Useless.

Actually they're a great deterrent and give the state the means to level harsh charges against violators.

When gun laws are put in place, nobody has ever once claimed they will work like magic and make guns disappear.


Why not, you know, get a good case for stuff like murder, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. ?

If someone shouldn't have a gun because they are a felon, that's like, already illegal.

Gun bans are a thought-crime. It's punishing what you think someone MIGHT do.

And sorry, many of the gun-grabbers do in fact, act and say that a gun ban would magically make them disappear.
 
2012-09-11 08:45:40 AM

jafiwam: And sorry, many of the gun-grabbers do in fact, act and say that a gun ban would magically make them disappear.


No, this has never happened.
 
2012-09-11 08:46:32 AM

DrExplosion: tallen702: The Madd Mann: DrExplosion: Uzi submachine gun.

There. Now nobody else has to bring it up.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the gun pictured in TFA is just a scary-looking pistol.

Specifically, it's an Uzi pistol, which is a semiautomatic version of the MIcro Uzi.

However, NY state law includes submachine guns in its definition of machine guns, so that may explain the journalist's error.

Still doesn't explain the journalist not doing his research and realizing that an Uzi Pistol is semi-auto and thus, not a "Machine Gun" per BATFE definitions.

I'm guessing that the gun pictured in TFA is just the result of a journalist getting lazy and Googling "Uzi," and that the actual weapon was really a "machine gun." Unless the journalist was just completely making shiat up, the guy was explicitly being charged with possessing a machine gun. The typical NYPD cop might not know the difference, but I doubt it would have made it that far without somebody noticing that it was just a semi-automatic pistol.


Normally I'd agree, but the photo isn't credited to anyone and is pretty reminiscent of the photos we see from the PD here in the DC area. Who knows....
 
2012-09-11 08:47:13 AM

DrExplosion: I'm guessing that the gun pictured in TFA is just the result of a journalist getting lazy and Googling "Uzi," and that the actual weapon was really a "machine gun." Unless the journalist was just completely making shiat up, the guy was explicitly being charged with possessing a machine gun. The typical NYPD cop might not know the difference, but I doubt it would have made it that far without somebody noticing that it was just a semi-automatic pistol.


The stupidity could be the definition of "machine gun" in the law makes a "not a machine gun" into one, and the proceeds to pantywaste it into illegality.

Remember, this is NYC we are talking about here. Logic is not allowed across the bridges and must be imported from the UK, where the quality is not very good.
 
2012-09-11 08:47:37 AM

way south: What have they achieved?
By your own admission they aren't gotten guns off the streets, as was their express purpose.
Now we have to read between the lines and search for a more esoteric meaning to justify it all.


How do you justify any law that doesn't magically deliver 100% results?

You don't understand the laws and their utility.
 
2012-09-11 09:14:39 AM

No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."


Even beyond New York's unreasonable restrictions regarding firearms ownership, the city restricts the act of carrying firearms in public to wealthy, politically connected individuals due to a belief by lawmakers that such individuals are superior beings.
 
2012-09-11 09:23:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: way south: What have they achieved?
By your own admission they aren't gotten guns off the streets, as was their express purpose.
Now we have to read between the lines and search for a more esoteric meaning to justify it all.

How do you justify any law that doesn't magically deliver 100% results?

You don't understand the laws and their utility.


I understand its a blatant misdirection and poor use of authority.

If you want to prevent a certain behavior, you make a law against that behavior. You build the system to reform people who show signs of persisting in the unwanted behavior.
If you make a law against a tool, you only snare a percentage of those who may or may not show the original unwanted trait.

You are no longer focusing on behavior, you're after a thing.
A drug, a weapon, a tool. Its no longer about fixing the people, its about filling a bucket full of stuff and claiming this will change the world.

Unfortunately, there's alot of stuff in this world to fill those buckets.
Decades later, there's no definitive change.
 
2012-09-11 09:29:37 AM

way south: HotWingConspiracy: way south: What have they achieved?
By your own admission they aren't gotten guns off the streets, as was their express purpose.
Now we have to read between the lines and search for a more esoteric meaning to justify it all.

How do you justify any law that doesn't magically deliver 100% results?

You don't understand the laws and their utility.

I understand its a blatant misdirection and poor use of authority.

If you want to prevent a certain behavior, you make a law against that behavior. You build the system to reform people who show signs of persisting in the unwanted behavior.


Behavior like illegal possession of weapons?
 
2012-09-11 09:44:29 AM
DrExplosion:
Hell, pistol rounds are almost completely ineffective against even soft body armor. Unless he gets lucky and shoots me in the head, neck, or femoral artery, I'll probably be fine if I'm wearing any kind of armor, even without plates.

At the rate a machine pistol sprays bullets, you will probably not be "fine" if some gang banger empties a magazine in your general direction at the typical range (ie. point-blank) for pistol shootings. Odds are they'll hit something important through sheer chance.
 
2012-09-11 09:48:15 AM
One of my clients works there.
Can't wait to ask her about this.
I'm sure she has an iteresting take on it.
 
2012-09-11 09:50:53 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah, but back when they drafted the Bill of Rights, those people were named George and Robert and Franklin.


Hey, 'Quasean' is perfectly cromulant.
It be africam for "prince"

Guess no one watched 'Roots' in that family.
 
2012-09-11 09:54:24 AM

cryinoutloud: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]


Thank you
First smile, and an outright laugh for the day.
 
2012-09-11 09:58:47 AM
*RTFA*
*looks ate gun *
*Blinks*

It has a select fire of F(ire) and S(afe)

Autos allow you to choose safe, semi, and full auto.
Unless they already took that one apart and found a modified sear pin.
 
2012-09-11 10:01:13 AM

Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.


Note also that it says "arrests," not "convictions." There's a very significant difference.

This is not to say that he's never been convicted of anything -- I have no idea -- but that TFA uses one word and not the other.

Of course the average Farker, if s/he has any idea what I'm getting at, will miss why it's important.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:16 AM

No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."


This Farker got it before I said anything, and only three comments later. Perhaps I should have read further comments before chiming in. Ah well, it's only my first coffee.
 
2012-09-11 10:07:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: No Such Agency: Principal Clarinet: From TFA:

He has 15 prior arrests on charges including assault, robbery and drug possession

All accumulated by the age of 23.

Prior arrests, not prior convictions. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I don't see at all why the government should restrict this citizen's right to carry any firearm as laid out in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't specify "...except for Uzis, and men named 'Quasean'."

Yeah, but back when they drafted the Bill of Rights, those people were named George and Robert and Franklin.


What's your point?
 
2012-09-11 10:15:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Behavior like illegal possession of weapons?


That's some interesting circular logic. It's at least as funny as my great-aunt's justification for anti-pot laws. "Why is it illegal?" "Because it's bad!" "Ok, why is it bad?" "Because it's illegal!"
 
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