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2012-09-11 08:22:16 AM
/it's hard to be a Raiders fan
 
2012-09-11 08:55:20 AM
So the backup long-snapper hadn't snapped since high school? WTF Raiders, do you think it may have been a good idea to get the guy some reps?
 
2012-09-11 09:58:11 AM

slayer199: So the backup long-snapper hadn't snapped since high school? WTF Raiders, do you think it may have been a good idea to get the guy some reps?


If their main long snapper went down during the game, there probably wasn't time. Chicago lost its long snapper last year but had the good fortune of having Tyler Clutts being able to fill in without anyone noticing.
 
2012-09-11 10:20:15 AM
How on earth can a so-called professional football team not have at least one semi-proficient back up for every position? The game was pure comedy as always when the Raiders are involved. Sorry Oakland, you are in for a very long season filled with follies once again.
 
2012-09-11 10:20:55 AM

slayer199: So the backup long-snapper hadn't snapped since high school? WTF Raiders, do you think it may have been a good idea to get the guy some reps?


I am pretty sure they meant "in game".

But still, how many practice reps are you going to bother to give to your backup long snapper?
 
2012-09-11 10:29:56 AM
"Not news: Redskins long snapper breaks arm. News: stays in the game. Fark: two more quarters, and snaps the ball nine more times. Ultrafark: developed pain tolerance by repeatedly tasering himself as a kid" 
 
2012-09-11 10:32:00 AM

bacongood: slayer199: So the backup long-snapper hadn't snapped since high school? WTF Raiders, do you think it may have been a good idea to get the guy some reps?

I am pretty sure they meant "in game".

But still, how many practice reps are you going to bother to give to your backup long snapper?


I bet a lot more now.
 
2012-09-11 10:32:18 AM
At least this glaring problem from last night has an easy solution.

Knapp's play calling will be harder to fix by week two.
 
2012-09-11 10:35:31 AM
That was... sad.

And hilarious.
 
2012-09-11 10:41:30 AM
At that point couldn't they put in the center? It can't be that different than a shotgun snap. Certainly couldn't have done worse than the guy they put in.
 
2012-09-11 10:45:37 AM

4NSpy: At least this glaring problem from last night has an easy solution.

Knapp's play calling will be harder to fix by week two.


naaaa, we're playin' the fins
 
2012-09-11 10:53:55 AM
That shiat was beautiful, man!
 
2012-09-11 10:55:08 AM

Twigz221: At that point couldn't they put in the center? It can't be that different than a shotgun snap. Certainly couldn't have done worse than the guy they put in.


I wanted someone to explain that to me as well. Don't they have a back up center that may have been more reliable?
 
2012-09-11 11:01:23 AM

Twigz221: At that point couldn't they put in the center? It can't be that different than a shotgun snap. Certainly couldn't have done worse than the guy they put in.


Actually, a center's shotgun snap and a long snappers snap are totally different. When a center snaps the ball he uses one-hand, and tosses it basically sideways, with little to no spin on the ball. When a long snapper snaps the ball, it requires 2 hands on the ball, and is supposed to be zipped back with a tight spiral, essentially as a between-the-legs pass. It is a weird technique that involves hand positions you never use otherwise, and to do it well you have to get your legs/body into it, which takes some practice.

/high school long snapper
 
2012-09-11 11:02:11 AM
It really said a lot about the Raiders that they weren't even giving the guy any reps on the sideline. He was just hanging out, watching the game.........not a care in the world....
 
2012-09-11 11:08:02 AM
Teams don't carry a back up long snapper. That guy was a backup LB told to go in the game as a long snapper.
 
2012-09-11 11:09:13 AM
I didn't see the game - but the 2nd punt (on the ESPN highlights) looked fine - just zero blocking. Might want to work on that, as well, Raiders.
 
2012-09-11 11:12:48 AM
So...without a long-snapper, you would think a team may...oh, I don't know...go for it on 4th down? Nope. Teams are so scared of making a fourth down play that they would rather bungle punts.
 
2012-09-11 11:13:59 AM
LOL Raiders

/got Janikowski on my FFB team
//crap
 
2012-09-11 11:24:01 AM
Not only a bad long snapper but no great shakes as a blocker either. Dante Rosario came right up the middle unblocked. Lechler could have been seriously injured.
 
2012-09-11 11:34:27 AM

Snargi: Lechler could have been seriously injured.


Interestingly the Raiders have two punters on their roster....
 
2012-09-11 11:36:17 AM

hp6sa: I didn't see the game - but the 2nd punt (on the ESPN highlights) looked fine - just zero blocking. Might want to work on that, as well, Raiders.


The guy in question ran over the long snapper.

That game was amazing to watch. I should have turned it off after the first botched punt, but I kept watching anyway. The funny part is, in the end a good long snap saved the Chargers from loosing the game. There was 4 seconds left on the clock on 4th down and they had to kick it away. If that punt had been recovered and run in for a TD, the Raiders could have tied it up with a 2pt conversion.

That's how bad that game was, after three botched punts and excellent field position the entire game, the Chargers where still in a position to lose. Yet Berman had the nerve to say "Norv Turner is the best in the NFL at tricks" or something stupid along those lines.
 
2012-09-11 11:42:36 AM
Should have went for 7 instead of 3 when they didn't get the first on the pass to McFadden.

Watching a game with this many mistakes and penalties wasn't as bad as having to sit through a game listening to that cocknose Berman. ESPN as a whole can suck it as soon as they get their lips off the wang of the Patriot/Jets/Yankees/insertanyeastcoastteamhere

/Raiders fan
 
2012-09-11 11:49:57 AM

slayer199: So the backup long-snapper hadn't snapped since high school? WTF Raiders, do you think it may have been a good idea to get the guy some reps?


FTFA:

"It's pretty hard. It's hard snapping on the dirt, too. I've never snapped on the dirt before," Goethel said.

This guy never played in a sandlot game? Maybe practice this also, as Oakland has the only field in the league that has this feature. Or not, what's the difference?

/Al Davis has risen from the grave... 
//Go Broncos!
 
2012-09-11 11:56:33 AM

degenerate-afro: hp6sa: I didn't see the game - but the 2nd punt (on the ESPN highlights) looked fine - just zero blocking. Might want to work on that, as well, Raiders.

The guy in question ran over the long snapper.


That's not what I saw when I watched it on slow motion on the Tivo. I saw the player to the long snapper's right help block the snapper on his guy, which meant the guy he was supposed to be blocking came in unblocked. My guess is everyone on the right side was supposed to block left and one guy didn't get the message.
 
2012-09-11 11:58:10 AM

Krowdaddy Chixdiggit: How on earth can a so-called professional football team not have at least one semi-proficient back up for every position?


You've not been paying attention to Arizona's quarterback situation.
 
2012-09-11 11:58:10 AM

degenerate-afro: That's how bad that game was, after three botched punts and excellent field position the entire game, the Chargers where still in a position to lose. Yet Berman had the nerve to say "Norv Turner is the best in the NFL at tricks" or something stupid along those lines.


Is there something in the rules that would have prevented Scifres from simply taking the snap and running backwards for 3 seconds, then falling down or out of bounds? That seemed like a much more sensible play than actually kicking it away.
 
2012-09-11 11:58:51 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Twigz221: At that point couldn't they put in the center? It can't be that different than a shotgun snap. Certainly couldn't have done worse than the guy they put in.

Actually, a center's shotgun snap and a long snappers snap are totally different. When a center snaps the ball he uses one-hand, and tosses it basically sideways, with little to no spin on the ball. When a long snapper snaps the ball, it requires 2 hands on the ball, and is supposed to be zipped back with a tight spiral, essentially as a between-the-legs pass. It is a weird technique that involves hand positions you never use otherwise, and to do it well you have to get your legs/body into it, which takes some practice.

/high school long snapper


So what you're saying implies a regular center might be the worst guy to try a long snap. It makes sense, but I had no idea.

/ok, the place kicker is probably the worst guy to try a long snap
 
2012-09-11 12:01:10 PM
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After he spent all that time getting his Ben Davidson look down, he gets out on the field and rolls the snap back to the punter.
Charger fans were yelling Punt, Oakland, Punt.......a chant I hadn't heard since Auburn did it to Alabama back in the 70's.

Carson sure throws to his running backs a lot, doesn't he? Must have aimed half his passes at them. Is this normal?
 
2012-09-11 12:01:52 PM

Jubeebee: slayer199: So the backup long-snapper hadn't snapped since high school? WTF Raiders, do you think it may have been a good idea to get the guy some reps?

If their main long snapper went down during the game, there probably wasn't time. Chicago lost its long snapper last year but had the good fortune of having Tyler Clutts being able to fill in without anyone noticing.


After the first two botches, why the hell were they still punting the ball? At some point you have to accept that you're grossly incompetent and need to make an adjustment.
 
2012-09-11 12:05:51 PM

Weigard: You've not been paying attention to Arizona's quarterback situation.


Well the Cardinals are most definitely so called professionals....
 
2012-09-11 12:08:49 PM

Weigard: You've not been paying attention to Arizona's quarterback situation.


:/ @ their backup being the reason they won after completing 100% of his passes on the one drive he played

degenerate-afro: Yet Berman had the nerve to say "Norv Turner is the best in the NFL at tricks" or something stupid along those lines.


He still has a head coaching job, so yeah, I'd say he's pretty goddamn good at tricking someone (Spanos).
 
2012-09-11 12:23:49 PM

Krieghund: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Twigz221: At that point couldn't they put in the center? It can't be that different than a shotgun snap. Certainly couldn't have done worse than the guy they put in.

Actually, a center's shotgun snap and a long snappers snap are totally different. When a center snaps the ball he uses one-hand, and tosses it basically sideways, with little to no spin on the ball. When a long snapper snaps the ball, it requires 2 hands on the ball, and is supposed to be zipped back with a tight spiral, essentially as a between-the-legs pass. It is a weird technique that involves hand positions you never use otherwise, and to do it well you have to get your legs/body into it, which takes some practice.

/high school long snapper

So what you're saying implies a regular center might be the worst guy to try a long snap. It makes sense, but I had no idea.

/ok, the place kicker is probably the worst guy to try a long snap


Maybe not the *worst*, because at least the center would in theory have skills as far as the blocking side of things is concerned, and also has some familiarity with the ball in his hands. That said, as far as the actual snapping task, yeah, it wouldn't be the best choice since a center is so used to doing it a different way.

The best snapper (in a pinch) would probably be the backup QB, since he could probably just rifle the ball back like he was throwing a pass...of course he would proceed to get run over by the 300lb dude lined up overtop of him.

Really though, while it is a weird technique, it isn't that hard, and anyone with the strength of an NFL lineman has an advantage to start with, so I am really surprised they didn't have some backup O-line dude spend some time each week taking practice snaps. It is possible the guy was so ramped up to be playing that he put a little too much on it, even if he was flawless in practice...buuuuut, it is the NF freaking L, and everyone should be used to that, or at least aware of it.
 
2012-09-11 12:37:26 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: .buuuuut, it is the NF freaking L, and everyone should be used to that, or at least aware of it.


They were saying during the game he almost never works on long snaps in practice. It really all falls on the coaching staff for not being prepared with back ups.
 
2012-09-11 12:45:30 PM
The Raiders certainly worked hard to beat themselves. The Chargers seemed to be working just as hard though. Two third down conversions on the Raiders' last drive because of retarded San Diego penalties? That's our department, guys.

At least Carson Palmer didn't look bad. No picks is good.
 
2012-09-11 12:48:27 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Really though, while it is a weird technique, it isn't that hard,


You could make millions in the NFL?
 
2012-09-11 12:50:45 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: The best snapper (in a pinch) would probably be the backup QB, since he could probably just rifle the ball back like he was throwing a pass...of course he would proceed to get run over by the 300lb dude lined up overtop of him




I knew there was a reason to keep JaMarcus Russell!
 
2012-09-11 12:56:15 PM
Damn, that game wasn't just ugly, it was fugly.

Raiders looking like the Keystone Kops, that's good times...but I'm not exactly brimming with confidence here.
 
2012-09-11 01:02:02 PM

mikaloyd: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Really though, while it is a weird technique, it isn't that hard,

You could make millions in the NFL?


Knuckleballers make lousy relievers long-snappers.
 
2012-09-11 01:04:37 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food:

/high school long snapper


Need a job?
 
2012-09-11 01:27:50 PM
Frankly, they should have put in the starting center and just had Lechler pooch them. It wouldn't be his normal 55-60 yarders, obviously, but a 30 yard unreturnable pooch beats a -20 yard turnover and keeps them in the game long enough for Palmer to blow it in spectacular fashion.

Almost half (15/32) your completions to the HB/FB? Sure was genius to get rid of Hue Jackson and bring back Greg Knapp. I'm not sure bringing any coach back for a second tour has resulted positively for anyone, ever, let alone the Raiders.
 
2012-09-11 01:31:17 PM

mikaloyd: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Really though, while it is a weird technique, it isn't that hard,

You could make millions in the NFL?


Ha! I wish, I'm still holding out for that sweet NFL kicker money.

/I could definitely get the ball back to the punter in a spiral in the air, somewhere within catching distance for him.
//Right before having my chest caved in and head ripped off
 
2012-09-11 01:37:41 PM
As bad as that was for the Raiders, it still wasn't as bad as the two blocked punt game a couple years ago.
 
2012-09-11 01:55:06 PM
 
2012-09-11 02:11:47 PM

Droog8912: Frankly, they should have put in the starting center and just had Lechler pooch them. It wouldn't be his normal 55-60 yarders, obviously, but a 30 yard unreturnable pooch beats a -20 yard turnover and keeps them in the game long enough for Palmer to blow it in spectacular fashion.

Almost half (15/32) your completions to the HB/FB? Sure was genius to get rid of Hue Jackson and bring back Greg Knapp. I'm not sure bringing any coach back for a second tour has resulted positively for anyone, ever, let alone the Raiders.


Too be fair, McFadden and Reece (and Myers) were the only ones who were CATCHING the damn balls.

So many dropped passes by the rookies (DHB had one bad one too).

I do love how Rivers/Turner are being hailed as some sort of offensive geniuses when they were 1-5 in the red zone, and Rivers is defended with "gates wasn't feeling 100% and one of their WRs were missing", while blasting palmer with only "sure, Ford and Moore were out and one of the replacement wide receivers has been on the team not even a full week, but Palmer's still ass even though he put nearly exactly the same numbers as Rivers".
 
2012-09-11 02:18:13 PM

hammer85: Droog8912: Frankly, they should have put in the starting center and just had Lechler pooch them. It wouldn't be his normal 55-60 yarders, obviously, but a 30 yard unreturnable pooch beats a -20 yard turnover and keeps them in the game long enough for Palmer to blow it in spectacular fashion.

Almost half (15/32) your completions to the HB/FB? Sure was genius to get rid of Hue Jackson and bring back Greg Knapp. I'm not sure bringing any coach back for a second tour has resulted positively for anyone, ever, let alone the Raiders.

Too be fair, McFadden and Reece (and Myers) were the only ones who were CATCHING the damn balls.

So many dropped passes by the rookies (DHB had one bad one too).

I do love how Rivers/Turner are being hailed as some sort of offensive geniuses when they were 1-5 in the red zone, and Rivers is defended with "gates wasn't feeling 100% and one of their WRs were missing", while blasting palmer with only "sure, Ford and Moore were out and one of the replacement wide receivers has been on the team not even a full week, but Palmer's still ass even though he put nearly exactly the same numbers as Rivers".


I thought they both looked decent.
 
2012-09-11 02:21:52 PM

RsquaredW: Goddammit, the Onion did it again.


FTL

Goethel claimed to be satisfied with the team's decision, saying it was far better than being asked to switch to car dealer, casino greeter, or long snapper.

Too farking funny. The Onion called it in 2010.
 
2012-09-11 02:51:49 PM
Another season of clowning around for my Raiders. Fan for life, it ain't easy, but sometimes funny to watch in an aggravating what-else-could-go-wrong comedic tragedy.

/ Sneaked into Raiders training camp one day as a kid and met Coach and his the team that would win the Superbowl, got yelled at but got autographs, long since sold
 
2012-09-11 03:12:04 PM

hammer85:
Too be fair, McFadden and Reece (and Myers) were the only ones who were CATCHING the damn balls.

So many dropped passes by the rookies (DHB had one bad one too).

I do love how Rivers/Turner are being hailed as some sort of offensive geniuses when they were 1-5 in the red zone, and Rivers is defended with "gates wasn't feeling 100% and one of their WRs were missing", while blasting palmer with only "sure, Ford and Moore were out and one of the replacement wide receivers has been on the team not even a full week, but Palmer's still ass even though he put nearly exactly the same numbers as Rivers".


Fair enough with regards to the drops, but that is still an insane number of dumpoffs. At least he didn't force it to a receiver and get picked off this game, so the Raiders have that going for them.... I have no fair in a Greg Knapp offense to be productive, and this team is absolutely farked with salary cap problems while being saddled with Carson Palmer. I don't think this team will be anywhere near good for at least five years. Just too many problems left over from Al (and Hue's ridiculous acquisition of Palmer).
 
2012-09-11 03:27:30 PM

Droog8912: hammer85:
Too be fair, McFadden and Reece (and Myers) were the only ones who were CATCHING the damn balls.

So many dropped passes by the rookies (DHB had one bad one too).

I do love how Rivers/Turner are being hailed as some sort of offensive geniuses when they were 1-5 in the red zone, and Rivers is defended with "gates wasn't feeling 100% and one of their WRs were missing", while blasting palmer with only "sure, Ford and Moore were out and one of the replacement wide receivers has been on the team not even a full week, but Palmer's still ass even though he put nearly exactly the same numbers as Rivers".

Fair enough with regards to the drops, but that is still an insane number of dumpoffs. At least he didn't force it to a receiver and get picked off this game, so the Raiders have that going for them.... I have no fair in a Greg Knapp offense to be productive, and this team is absolutely farked with salary cap problems while being saddled with Carson Palmer. I don't think this team will be anywhere near good for at least five years. Just too many problems left over from Al (and Hue's ridiculous acquisition of Palmer).


I kinda disagree there. We were 1 game from division champs last year, so while the Superbowl is proably out of the question, getting to the playoffs isn't.

Even though the most repeated line other than "norv turner is awesome" last night was "the raiders are the old raiders", I really don't think that's true. The penalties were costly, but in terms of numbers, wasn't that bad compared to the usual. The offense began good but kinda petered out in the 3rd/4th quarters when the chargers just focused on eliminating mcfadden from being able to do anything. I think with at least Moore back it'll open up the field a bit more.

And the old raiders never had the nonsense going on on special teams, and that was a one time occurance (hopefully).

The defense was solid, and they didn't give up. 1-5 in the redzone with the crap they had to put up with was amazing.
 
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