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2012-09-11 12:53:28 AM
Queue "Fists of impotent rage".
 
2012-09-11 01:41:05 AM
 
2012-09-11 04:03:21 AM
This reality clearly has a liberal bias.
 
2012-09-11 04:44:34 AM
That was a stupid reason to oppose it anyway.
 
2012-09-11 06:42:47 AM
Well, that's gay.
 
2012-09-11 06:55:55 AM
Wait, what?

Next they'll be telling us that allowing gay people who love each other to get married will NOT lead to the utter destruction of all heterosexual marriages everywhere simultaneously.

i mean Republicans have to be right about at least one of their predictions at some point.

/That's just the law of averages, innit?
//Got 20 bucks on the Washington Generals to win.
///They are *so* due.
 
2012-09-11 07:33:54 AM
A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.
 
2012-09-11 07:51:46 AM

EnviroDude: A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.


And so it begins.
 
2012-09-11 08:09:39 AM

EnviroDude: A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.


As a Navy veteran I can tell you virtually nobody in the military cares what your sexual preference is as long as you carry your own weight. My Marine and Army friends feel the same way. They would rather have a competent gay man have their back than an incompetent hetero.

There are some who are against it, but they are a very very very small minority.
 
2012-09-11 08:12:59 AM
I wonder how the tea party thought it would go.

'quick, put the bombs in the plane.'
'We can't find any of the bombs. It's because of the gay.'
 
2012-09-11 08:15:34 AM
So, basically if they hadn't repealed it, the military would be in just the same shape as it is today? Doesn't that make repealing it kind of a moot point then? Way to waste government time, Obama.

(hint: sarcasm)
 
2012-09-11 08:23:02 AM
wso.williams.edu

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!
 
2012-09-11 08:33:44 AM

Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!


back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.

/csb
 
2012-09-11 08:37:04 AM

FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.

/csb


If I'm not mistaken, the Sacred Band of Thebes was engineered that way; a semi-elite group of soldiers made up of male couples. The reason was the same that you just mentioned. It was believed they would fight harder to save their lover.
 
2012-09-11 08:41:03 AM
My favorite story from way back:


In 1947, Johnnie Phelps, a member of the Women's Army Corps (WACs) and a lesbian, was told by General Eisenhower, "It's come to my attention that there are lesbians in the WACs, we need to ferret them out...." Johnnie Phelps said, "If the General pleases, sir, I'll be happy to do that, but the first name on the list will be mine." Eisenhower's secretary added, "If the General pleases, sir, my name will be first and hers will be second." Phelps then told Eisenhower, "Sir, you're right, there are lesbians in the WACs - and if you want to replace all the file clerks, section commanders, drivers, every woman in the WAC detachment, I will be happy to make that list. But you must know, sir, that they are the most decorated group - there have been no illegal pregnancies, no AWOLs, no charges of misconduct." Eisenhower dropped the idea.
 
2012-09-11 08:43:39 AM
Conservatives weren't really afraid that the military would fall into disrepair and be easily dominated in battle if we let LGBT people openly serve. They were afraid that it wouldn't.
 
2012-09-11 08:44:05 AM

Sybarite: Eisenhower dropped the idea.


Cool story, Bro! ^__^

/Had not heard that one yet.
 
2012-09-11 08:58:30 AM
The troops don't care if the guy next to them is gay or not...just that they can do the job. Nobody else should give a damn.
 
2012-09-11 08:59:21 AM

Serious Black: Conservatives weren't really afraid that the military would fall into disrepair and be easily dominated in battle if we let LGBT people openly serve. They were afraid that it wouldn't.


QFT.

Because it aids in chipping away at the idea that allowing gays to live full, normal lives will incur the wrath of God.
 
2012-09-11 09:08:33 AM
You know, if I was in the military, I'd be pretty pissed that the GOP questioned my professionalism like this.

Of COURSE it's not an issue. Just like it's not an issue in *my* workplace or *your* workplace.
 
2012-09-11 09:09:44 AM

EnviroDude: A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.


Why do you hate the troops?

Seriously, your attitude is offensive to the people who serve. You assume they're just as petulant and petty as you are, but they are far better than you will ever be.
 
2012-09-11 09:19:04 AM
To paraphrase Chris Rock, "I ain't fightin'". If they want to put their sore asses on the line, let them.
 
2012-09-11 09:27:41 AM

FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.



Humm..."I Phelta Thi" could insinuate something totally different in that case.
 
2012-09-11 09:47:00 AM

Sybarite: My favorite story from way back:


In 1947, Johnnie Phelps, a member of the Women's Army Corps (WACs) and a lesbian, was told by General Eisenhower, "It's come to my attention that there are lesbians in the WACs, we need to ferret them out...." Johnnie Phelps said, "If the General pleases, sir, I'll be happy to do that, but the first name on the list will be mine." Eisenhower's secretary added, "If the General pleases, sir, my name will be first and hers will be second." Phelps then told Eisenhower, "Sir, you're right, there are lesbians in the WACs - and if you want to replace all the file clerks, section commanders, drivers, every woman in the WAC detachment, I will be happy to make that list. But you must know, sir, that they are the most decorated group - there have been no illegal pregnancies, no AWOLs, no charges of misconduct." Eisenhower dropped the idea.


The 1984 documentary Before Stonewall has Phelps telling that story in her own words. It's on Netflix streaming.
 
2012-09-11 09:48:45 AM

EnviroDude: A study conducted by the admin retired generals and admirals, anti-repeal activists, active-duty servicemembers, and watchdog organizations on both sides of the issue, in addition to analyzing the experience of several military units and media coverage defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.


FTFY
 
2012-09-11 09:50:20 AM

UberDave: FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.


Humm..."I Phelta Thi" could insinuate something totally different in that case.


Things can get kind of loose and crazy in "Tappa Kegga Bru"...
 
2012-09-11 09:57:36 AM

FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.

/csb


It's pretty well known that the Greeks invented bro-rape.

Serious Black: Conservatives weren't really afraid that the military would fall into disrepair and be easily dominated in battle if we let LGBT people openly serve. They were afraid that it wouldn't.


Not total disrepair. The expected problem was maintenance and training budgets being reallocated to landscaping and decorating. AAFES would have had problems securing bulk artisan chocolate, as well, and that added logistical strain is exactly what we don't need in time of war.
 
2012-09-11 09:58:10 AM
"Obvious" tag too... obvious?
 
2012-09-11 09:58:55 AM
www.nowtheendbegins.com
 
2012-09-11 10:00:44 AM

Sybarite: My favorite story from way back:


In 1947, Johnnie Phelps, a member of the Women's Army Corps (WACs) and a lesbian, was told by General Eisenhower, "It's come to my attention that there are lesbians in the WACs, we need to ferret them out...." Johnnie Phelps said, "If the General pleases, sir, I'll be happy to do that, but the first name on the list will be mine." Eisenhower's secretary added, "If the General pleases, sir, my name will be first and hers will be second." Phelps then told Eisenhower, "Sir, you're right, there are lesbians in the WACs - and if you want to replace all the file clerks, section commanders, drivers, every woman in the WAC detachment, I will be happy to make that list. But you must know, sir, that they are the most decorated group - there have been no illegal pregnancies, no AWOLs, no charges of misconduct." Eisenhower dropped the idea.


I thought Ike was banging his secretary during the war?
 
2012-09-11 10:01:02 AM

FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.

/csb


Actually, they were squirming because their butts were so sore.
 
2012-09-11 10:01:24 AM
EnviroDude:
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A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.
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Threadshiat, and run.

No one takes you remotely seriously.

You must be tired from all your work.
 
2012-09-11 10:02:09 AM
www.myfacewhen.net

Military carries out duty in professional manner during policy change.
 
2012-09-11 10:02:25 AM
When you define "Military readiness" as "no homos", then clearly "military readiness" was negatively effected.
 
2012-09-11 10:02:44 AM
I had a conversation with a low information conservative on another website right after DADT was repealed. She thought it would put the troops in danger. I asked her if she was aware of all the countries that do allow gay people to serve openly. She said that she did. I then asked her if you really think that the US has the finest trained military on the planet, that doesn't mesh with the fact that other countries have had no ill effects with openly gay soldiers. I asked her if she thought that US military personnel weren't as professional as other militaries and if they were unable to deal with what will end up being a microscopic adjustment for most soldiers...

She actually changed her mind after that. Which surprised me, I thought we'd end up exchanging dozens of messages over it.
 
2012-09-11 10:03:50 AM

Raharu: No one takes you remotely seriously.


How is it that you can get away with posting that every day, yet the last time I did it I got a 3-day vacation>
 
2012-09-11 10:04:06 AM

xanadian: UberDave: FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.


Humm..."I Phelta Thi" could insinuate something totally different in that case.

Things can get kind of loose and crazy in "Tappa Kegga Bru"...


Watch out for the guys from Hu Delta Phart
 
2012-09-11 10:04:13 AM

EnviroDude: A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.


Please die.
 
2012-09-11 10:04:29 AM

Cythraul: FlashHarry: Cythraul: [wso.williams.edu image 460x309]

What?! Gays in the military? The horror!

back in college, i was in a large core history course - 800 people in the lecture. at one point, the professor started talking about the origin of fraternities in ancient times and the belief amongst greek warriors that a little hot man-on-boy action made their forces stronger because they thought that you'd fight harder for somebody you, well, loved. it was hilarious to see all the frat boys squirming in their seats during the lecture.

/csb

If I'm not mistaken, the Sacred Band of Thebes was engineered that way; a semi-elite group of soldiers made up of male couples. The reason was the same that you just mentioned. It was believed they would fight harder to save their lover.


I had an East Asian Civ professor (specialty: China) go on, at length, that all samurai (and by parallel, modern weightlifters) were gay. All of them. I think he mostly didn't want to talk about medieval Japan very much.

Klippoklondike: EnviroDude: A study conducted by the admin defends an admin policy? Color me shocked.

As a Navy veteran I can tell you virtually nobody in the military cares what your sexual preference is as long as you carry your own weight. My Marine and Army friends feel the same way. They would rather have a competent gay man have their back than an incompetent hetero.

There are some who are against it, but they are a very very very small minority.


Careful, he may have been in the Core.
 
2012-09-11 10:05:29 AM
Clinton really screwed up with dadt and by being so homophobic with his position on gay marriage.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:07 AM

Jackson Herring: How is it that you can get away with posting that every day, yet the last time I did it I got a 3-day vacation>


It probably depends on who's working the gallows on a given day. I had a message deleted as "threadjacking" for pointing out a trolly message by a known troll. When I complained, I was given the brush off.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:50 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Derp.


You must be so very tired.

Go have a cosmo.
 
2012-09-11 10:06:50 AM
I never once cared what target a fellow Marine might be aiming at with his gun as long as he could hit what he aimed at with his rifle.

•LGB servicemembers did not come out en masse.
Probably because they're worried that if Romney wins he'll reinstate DADT and they'll lose their career.
 
2012-09-11 10:07:09 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Clinton really screwed up with dadt and by being so homophobic with his position on gay marriage.


Fark me. I agree with 4 kg of dairy. Not a great start for my day.
 
2012-09-11 10:07:30 AM
So is the GOP really talking about reinstating DADT? I want to say I can't imagine a Republican candidate running on the position that they want to make our millitary stronger by kicking ~66,000 people out of the millitary, but I can actually totally imagine that...
 
2012-09-11 10:07:47 AM
This might be more of a big deal than poor people getting health care to your average conservative. They see the military as god's army.
 
2012-09-11 10:09:04 AM
I seem to recall a tearful John McCain standing in front of the cameras after the repeal, accusing Congress of having "blood on their hands", but I can't seem to find that clip now, so maybe I'm remembering wrong.
 
2012-09-11 10:09:05 AM

Karac:
•LGB servicemembers did not come out en masse.
Probably because they're worried that if Romney wins he'll reinstate DADT and they'll lose their career.


Could also be that they don't want to be openly gay, regardless of politics. We still have closet homosexuals in Canada and we've had gay marriage for more than a few years now.
 
2012-09-11 10:09:51 AM

Jackson Herring: Raharu: No one takes you remotely seriously.

How is it that you can get away with posting that every day, yet the last time I did it I got a 3-day vacation>


Because its true?
 
2012-09-11 10:11:09 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Clinton really screwed up with dadt and by being so homophobic with his position on gay marriage.


Yes, compromising with the conservatives (Both Democratic and Republican) who wanted all homosexuals banned from service was a failure on Clinton's part.
 
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