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(Daily Kos)   "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US"? Yeah, turns out that was about the least alarming of the series of PDB's Bush ignored before 9/11   (dailykos.com) divider line 350
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2012-09-10 11:46:38 PM
Wait, the *Daily Kos* blames the Bush administration for 9/11? Holy cow! That's like Rush Limbaugh opposing Obama's re-election! Somebody stop the presses!!!!!
 
2012-09-10 11:57:36 PM

fickle floridian: Wait, the *Daily Kos* blames the Bush administration for 9/11? Holy cow! That's like Rush Limbaugh opposing Obama's re-election! Somebody stop the presses!!!!!


Well, so does Eichenwald over at the NY Times. But that's like the Washington Times supporting Romney, I guess. 

Read the accounts and come to your own conclusions.
 
2012-09-10 11:59:14 PM
they wanted to get hit. those PNAC people weren't in his administration by accident or coincidence
 
2012-09-11 12:02:11 AM

fickle floridian: Wait, the *Daily Kos* blames the Bush administration for 9/11? Holy cow! That's like Rush Limbaugh opposing Obama's re-election! Somebody stop the presses!!!!!


There's a reason FARK has a 'Florida' tag.
 
2012-09-11 12:04:20 AM
We will tolerate nothing other than a history agreed upon by the majority.
 
2012-09-11 12:10:14 AM
The Man Who Knew

"For six years, John O'Neill was the FBI's leading expert on Al Qaeda. He warned of its reach. He warned of its threat to the U.S. But to the people at FBI headquarters, O'Neill was too much of a maverick, and they stopped listening to him. He left the FBI in the summer of 2001 and took a new job as head of security at the World Trade Center."

This Frontline program is a decade old, but still worth watching.
 
2012-09-11 12:12:53 AM
the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that "a group presently in the United States" was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be "imminent," although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

Well, if they knew where the terrorists were, they should have gone and stopped them. I mean, the United States is pretty small right? Probably would have taken an afternoon or two to find them.
 
2012-09-11 12:18:29 AM

serial_crusher: the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that "a group presently in the United States" was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be "imminent," although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

Well, if they knew where the terrorists were, they should have gone and stopped them. I mean, the United States is pretty small right? Probably would have taken an afternoon or two to find them.


Generally the response to a vague threat like that is not to ignore it.
 
2012-09-11 12:20:33 AM
NO! We want an incurious basterd in the Casa Blanca, I've been assured by Team Romney that is what we want. It must be right, because he made a massive fortune thanks to generous tax breaks his ilk lobbied for and he benefited from.

He gets this sh*t. He will save us all.

The black guy is asleep at the switch! NUKE EVERYONE!
 
2012-09-11 12:26:32 AM
Jesus Christ. I'm beginning to rethink my hypothesis that the Bush administration was merely incompetent at best and negligent at worst.
 
2012-09-11 12:28:52 AM

serial_crusher: the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that "a group presently in the United States" was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be "imminent," although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

Well, if they knew where the terrorists were, they should have gone and stopped them. I mean, the United States is pretty small right? Probably would have taken an afternoon or two to find them.


I know. It was just... too much, too much. Better to just do nothing.
 
2012-09-11 12:31:35 AM
Could this not have been linked to the NYT article?
 
2012-09-11 12:51:05 AM

fickle floridian: Wait, the *Daily Kos* blames the Bush administration for 9/11? Holy cow! That's like Rush Limbaugh opposing Obama's re-election! Somebody stop the presses!!!!!


I assume that as a small child (if you aren't still one, that is) you were the type that put your hands over your ears, closed your eyes and made nonsense noises rather then look or listen to that which you didn't feel like hearing/weren't able to comprehend.
 
2012-09-11 01:03:39 AM
Look, I'm not the type to sit around defending Bush - Lord knows there's plenty of reasons not to. But the administration did not want to get hit, would love to have done things differently, and there are an unbelievable number of warnings almost every day.
 
2012-09-11 01:10:53 AM

mahuika: Could this not have been linked to the NYT article?


Came to say this. Now it's just going to be a steady stream of "hurrr it's Kos" in here, as if there aren't eleventy billion Townhall links greened in a day.
 
2012-09-11 01:19:49 AM
Unsurprising at all.

If there is one thing in Government that is always a constant it is the complete incompetence of federal employees and elected officials.
 
2012-09-11 02:14:25 AM

mahuika: Could this not have been linked to the NYT article?


That one got submitted second, and redlit. Tossup as to which headline was funnier, and using the Kos link gets some page hits for....

coco ebert: Now it's just going to be a steady stream of "hurrr it's Kos" in here

 
2012-09-11 03:23:29 AM

Krymson Tyde: Jesus Christ. I'm beginning to rethink my hypothesis that the Bush administration was merely incompetent at best and negligent at worst.


I think he was just the figurehead. The dude who signed whatever the real people in charge put in front of him.

/kind of like what a Romney administration would be.
 
2012-09-11 03:38:13 AM

vygramul: Look, I'm not the type to sit around defending Bush - Lord knows there's plenty of reasons not to. But the administration did not want to get hit, would love to have done things differently, and there are an unbelievable number of warnings almost every day.


Not that make it into the PDB. Really.
 
2012-09-11 04:27:35 AM

fickle floridian: Wait, the *Daily Kos* blames the Bush administration for 9/11? Holy cow! That's like Rush Limbaugh opposing Obama's re-election! Somebody stop the presses!!!!!


Looks like you and Bush Jr. have about the same level of reading comprehension.

cman: Unsurprising at all.

If there is one thing in Government that is always a constant it is the complete incompetence of federal employees and elected officials.


No, these federal employees. I know plenty of competent ones personally, probably because I recognize them as individuals and not a giant, dehumanized mass. Way to dip people just going about their jobs in 9/11 blood.
 
2012-09-11 04:44:45 AM
fta: On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place...

It's good to have a plan.
 
2012-09-11 05:27:49 AM
In light of this new information, I will never vote for George W. Bush for President, again. .

Historians can look over past events, but in the end they cannot change it. The best they can hope for is their biased light illuminates what they want to see, leaving uncomfortable truths in the dark shadows.

We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.
 
2012-09-11 05:40:17 AM

Darth_Lukecash: We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.


This.

It is pointless speculation based upon individual feelings of the speculators of former President Bush. Their minds are already made up regardless of any truth. Kind of like 9/11 truthers or birthers, these people have only one opinion, and they are gonna make every piece of evidence fit into whatever their damn crazy mind tells them because they want to believe that he was that bad of a President.
 
2012-09-11 06:36:07 AM
GWB was so concerned about OBL that he spared no expense in getting him.

Wait, no: he ignored him almost entirely and used his attacks as an excuse to invade a completely
different country uninvolved in the 9/11 attacks!
 
2012-09-11 06:46:53 AM
The best way to view this is to look at how Bush and his ilk worked the war in Iraq. They had Bin stupid trapped in Tora Bora, backed off, took the fight to Iraq with false evidence of weapons of mass destruction because the Sadam tried to kill his daddy. Republicons can't wrap their head around the notion that we'd have a balanced budget today if we hadn't wasted the trillion or so dollars on the wars and if we hadn't given away the rest of the money to the richest 1% or so (ok, a bunch also went to the middle class, but it pales in comparison to the largess given to the richest; I got 2,000 or so, the rich got 250,000 or so (dollars, not cents). Seriously . . .
 
2012-09-11 06:49:23 AM
No mention of Jamie Gorelick? More fail from the daily POS.
 
2012-09-11 06:51:16 AM
I think it would have happened regardless of who was in the White House... But this does reinforce that the Bush Administration had a hard-on for Iraq pretty much from the beginning and the attacks on 9/11/01 gave them the excuse they needed to plunge us headlong into that expensive debacle.

...And sadly, the GOP is still chocker blocked with these ideological neoconservative assholes.
 
2012-09-11 06:51:48 AM

Darth_Lukecash: We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.


Actually, with anyone else as President, events would have been different. How much, and better or worse, we can't be sure, but it would have been different somehow.
 
2012-09-11 06:56:35 AM

Darth_Lukecash: In light of this new information, I will never vote for George W. Bush for President, again.


How about Jeb?
 
2012-09-11 07:04:55 AM

mahuika: Could this not have been linked to the NYT article?


Doesn't NYT have a pay wall?
 
2012-09-11 07:07:05 AM
Catch-22. He could only have stopped the attacks if liberals had already been cowed enough by the post-9/11 climate to have previously passed or allowed the PATRIOT Act, indefinite detentions and warrantless wire-taps.

But seriously: the important thing to not lose sight of is how badly he, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, et al botched Iraq and Afghanistan (among other things) and the serious and long-ranging effects of their incompetence, mismanagement and skewed ideology.
 
2012-09-11 07:10:09 AM
FTA: "The Neo-Conservatives tried to dismiss the CIA's warning, attempting to describe them as the result of a disinformation campaign by Osama bin Laden intended to distract the US from focusing on Saddam Hussein."

The neocons knew an attack on US soil would be a perfect justification to go batshiat insane into global war. They ignored it because they wanted it to happen.
 
2012-09-11 07:13:21 AM

Rashnu: But seriously: the important thing to not lose sight of is how badly he, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, et al botched Iraq and Afghanistan (among other things) and the serious and long-ranging effects of their incompetence, mismanagement and skewed ideology.


To say they botched things is to imply that such idiocy could have been attempted and successfully completed in the first place. The entire massive operation was a disaster militarily, financially, and politically.

/I could have gone and gotten Bin Laden myself and done it for not a penny more than two billion bucks.
 
2012-09-11 07:19:48 AM

Krymson Tyde: Jesus Christ. I'm beginning to rethink my hypothesis that the Bush administration was merely incompetent at best and negligent at worst.


Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
 
2012-09-11 07:21:16 AM
I may be outing my previous alt here, but my brother was quite involved in all that stuff at the time. He was named ambassador to Tajikistan by Bush right after 9/11 (career diplomat, not a republicon). He assured me that there were weapons of mass destruction right after we invaded Iraq. He said "I've seen the intelligence, it was incontrovertible." He's pretty sorry he made that statement today. "We all got fooled by photoshopped evidence."
 
2012-09-11 07:24:16 AM
Atleast someone got fired over this.
 
2012-09-11 07:26:15 AM

pciszek: Krymson Tyde: Jesus Christ. I'm beginning to rethink my hypothesis that the Bush administration was merely incompetent at best and negligent at worst.

Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.


Well, for accuracy's sake, we should really be calling this the Cheney/Rove administration. Bush was the top dog only to get the truly stupid people on board with the dangerously war monger types.
 
2012-09-11 07:29:36 AM

Darth_Lukecash: In light of this new information, I will never vote for George W. Bush for President, again. .

Historians can look over past events, but in the end they cannot change it. The best they can hope for is their biased light illuminates what they want to see, leaving uncomfortable truths in the dark shadows.

We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.


So why bother looking at facts at all. Your opniion is equally valid with any other, untainted by investigation or knowledge of previous events.
 
2012-09-11 07:32:28 AM
Too bad Clinton forced federal agencies not to share information with each other and even worse, that he passed on the opportunity to takeOBL into custody.

/ Bushs fault? Sure, but throw Party boy Clinton in there too as he has blood on his hands.
 
2012-09-11 07:33:43 AM
This should come as no surprise...considering the Wolfowitz Doctrine and the following statement from the The Project for the New American Century's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" white paper:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions."
 
2012-09-11 07:34:07 AM

Lorelle: The Man Who Knew

"For six years, John O'Neill was the FBI's leading expert on Al Qaeda. He warned of its reach. He warned of its threat to the U.S. But to the people at FBI headquarters, O'Neill was too much of a maverick, and they stopped listening to him. He left the FBI in the summer of 2001 and took a new job as head of security at the World Trade Center."

This Frontline program is a decade old, but still worth watching.


That was a really good episode. This two-parter that shows what happened after is also worth watching: Bush's War.

Got to love PBS Frontline. It's consistently one of the best programs on television.
 
2012-09-11 07:38:15 AM

cman: Darth_Lukecash: We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.

This.

It is pointless speculation based upon individual feelings of the speculators of former President Bush. Their minds are already made up regardless of any truth. Kind of like 9/11 truthers or birthers, these people have only one opinion, and they are gonna make every piece of evidence fit into whatever their damn crazy mind tells them because they want to believe that he was that bad of a President.


Considering that Romney has surrounded himself with many of the same neo-con characters involved, I'd say that this speculation is quite relevant and worthy of review. Today, there will be millions of "Never Forget" banners on Facebook. Maybe those words should actually mean something instead of just being empty slogans.
 
2012-09-11 07:41:26 AM

Close2TheEdge: cman: Darth_Lukecash: We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.

This.

It is pointless speculation based upon individual feelings of the speculators of former President Bush. Their minds are already made up regardless of any truth. Kind of like 9/11 truthers or birthers, these people have only one opinion, and they are gonna make every piece of evidence fit into whatever their damn crazy mind tells them because they want to believe that he was that bad of a President.

Considering that Romney has surrounded himself with many of the same neo-con characters involved, I'd say that this speculation is quite relevant and worthy of review. Today, there will be millions of "Never Forget" banners on Facebook. Maybe those words should actually mean something instead of just being empty slogans.


I have an older sister who should be considered fairly smart (graduated magna cum laude, that's all A's from Pembroke U, the woman's part of Brown U). She's an accomplished author of several very fine books. Even though I was in my car on the Washington Blvd. access from 95 to the Memorial Bridge and SAW the plane hit the Pentagon, she still insists it was a cruise missile sent by the US military. It makes me really sad and I can't even talk about it with her.
 
2012-09-11 07:47:47 AM
The whole thing could be ignored and even forgiven had the resulting leeway the world had given us not been squandered on an unrelated war and incredible mis-management of military actions thereafter.

When you fail upwards in baseball or in oil it's rare that someone dies as the direct result of your actions.

Bush deserves the legacy he has left behind and the party that worked so hard to defraud the American people to get him in office deserve the lack of regard and distrust they've earned.

And this is why your current GOP faithful is largely comprised of utter retards.
 
2012-09-11 07:49:40 AM

vygramul: Look, I'm not the type to sit around defending Bush - Lord knows there's plenty of reasons not to. But the administration did not want to get hit, would love to have done things differently, and there are an unbelievable number of warnings almost every day.


Yes, on top of that, my favorite excuse: "Nobody could have thought of something as crazy as flying planes into buildings."
No, thousands and thousands of professionals who have no other job than to protect this country, gather intelligence, come up with all kinds of crazy scenarios, and warn the right people, could have never thought of this. Everyone is a professional with deep knowledge on every subject and the so called "experts" no nothing that you couldn't do better.
 
2012-09-11 07:53:51 AM

MartinD-35: Close2TheEdge: cman: Darth_Lukecash: We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.

This.

It is pointless speculation based upon individual feelings of the speculators of former President Bush. Their minds are already made up regardless of any truth. Kind of like 9/11 truthers or birthers, these people have only one opinion, and they are gonna make every piece of evidence fit into whatever their damn crazy mind tells them because they want to believe that he was that bad of a President.

Considering that Romney has surrounded himself with many of the same neo-con characters involved, I'd say that this speculation is quite relevant and worthy of review. Today, there will be millions of "Never Forget" banners on Facebook. Maybe those words should actually mean something instead of just being empty slogans.

I have an older sister who should be considered fairly smart (graduated magna cum laude, that's all A's from Pembroke U, the woman's part of Brown U). She's an accomplished author of several very fine books. Even though I was in my car on the Washington Blvd. access from 95 to the Memorial Bridge and SAW the plane hit the Pentagon, she still insists it was a cruise missile sent by the US military. It makes me really sad and I can't even talk about it with her.


I should also have said her major was Russian Language and she is also fluent in Japanese, Spanish, Italian and speaks a passable Korean and Chinese.
 
2012-09-11 07:56:08 AM
Osama had little to nothing to do with 9/11, it was all the hard work of Terror Team Ten.
 
2012-09-11 07:58:46 AM

Close2TheEdge: cman: Darth_Lukecash: We cannot say if anyone else was President things would have been better or different.

This.

It is pointless speculation based upon individual feelings of the speculators of former President Bush. Their minds are already made up regardless of any truth. Kind of like 9/11 truthers or birthers, these people have only one opinion, and they are gonna make every piece of evidence fit into whatever their damn crazy mind tells them because they want to believe that he was that bad of a President.

Considering that Romney has surrounded himself with many of the same neo-con characters involved, I'd say that this speculation is quite relevant and worthy of review. Today, there will be millions of "Never Forget" banners on Facebook. Maybe those words should actually mean something instead of just being empty slogans.


Yes. Does anyone really think it's a coincidence that Mitt's foreign policy slogan is "An American Century"?

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Link
 
2012-09-11 08:00:42 AM
cman, did you mean this . . .

Unsurprising at all.

If there is one thing in Government that is always a constant it is the complete incompetence of federal employees and elected officials.


Or this . . .

It is pointless speculation based upon individual feelings of the speculators of former President Bush. Their minds are already made up regardless of any truth. Kind of like 9/11 truthers or birthers, these people have only one opinion, and they are gonna make every piece of evidence fit into whatever their damn crazy mind tells them because they want to believe that he was that bad of a President.

Because if you substitute "President Bush" in your paragraph with "federal employees and elected officials," your two posts kind of cancel each other out. In other words, from your perspective, it's OK to have pointless speculation about government employees but not about Dubya's administration.

Ah, never mind. Just STFU and go teabag somewhere else.
 
2012-09-11 08:03:42 AM

LarryDan43: Osama had little to nothing to do with 9/11, it was all the hard work of Terror Team Ten.


I see you think like my sister.
 
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