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(io9)   The 12 most important science fiction war stories of all time. OF ALL TIME   (io9.com) divider line 280
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2012-09-10 09:36:43 PM  
"Under our system every voter and officeholder is a man who has demonstrated through voluntary and difficult service that he places the welfare of the group ahead of personal advantage."
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
 
2012-09-10 09:43:15 PM  
Whar Superiority whar?

Also, Peter Hamilton probably deserves a mention on the runner up list.
 
2012-09-10 09:57:34 PM  
What about science fiction just-returned-from-war stories?
 
2012-09-10 09:57:47 PM  

2wolves: "Under our system every voter and officeholder is a man who has demonstrated through voluntary and difficult service that he places the welfare of the group ahead of personal advantage."
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers


The article's comments call Heinlein a "wantabe" vet. He was a graduate of the U.S. Naval academy and served with distinction, as a civilian, during WW2. He was 4F due to TB aquired in the Navy. Starship troopers was nothing like Fascist. I hope that the new movie will be closer to the book.
 
2012-09-10 09:58:24 PM  
List fails without the Republicans telling of the Iraq Wars. That's right, I politicized this thread!!11! Hoooyeah!

/I feel only slightly bad
 
2012-09-10 10:05:25 PM  

Makh: List fails without the Republicans telling of the Iraq Wars. That's right, I politicized this thread!!11! Hoooyeah!

/I feel only slightly bad


Doesn't count. The article is about SCIENCE fiction, and I think we all know where they stand on science.
 
2012-09-10 10:09:26 PM  
Certainly can't argue with one and two.
 
2012-09-10 10:22:12 PM  

King Something: The article is about SCIENCE fiction, and I think we all know where they stand on science.


Not fictional science?
 
2012-09-10 10:23:41 PM  
Whar Deathworld? Whar?
 
2012-09-10 10:46:05 PM  
ok, put Stargate SG-1 (vs. the Goa'uld, not the Orii) at #12, then delete Starship Troopers and move everything else up one to fill in.
 
2012-09-10 10:48:01 PM  

gameshowhost: What about science fiction just-returned-from-war stories?


Represented by The Forever War.
 
2012-09-10 10:50:55 PM  
I really should read The Forever War.
 
2012-09-10 11:00:12 PM  
Article is completely useless without the Krikkit Wars.
 
2012-09-10 11:40:06 PM  
g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-09-10 11:46:35 PM  

RexTalionis: gameshowhost: What about science fiction just-returned-from-war stories?

Represented by The Forever War.


Oh, okay.

What about science fiction going-off-to-war stories?
 
2012-09-10 11:50:49 PM  

gameshowhost: RexTalionis: gameshowhost: What about science fiction just-returned-from-war stories?

Represented by The Forever War.

Oh, okay.

What about science fiction going-off-to-war stories?


Uh, probably also The Forever War.
 
2012-09-10 11:59:07 PM  

RexTalionis: gameshowhost: RexTalionis: gameshowhost: What about science fiction just-returned-from-war stories?

Represented by The Forever War.

Oh, okay.

What about science fiction going-off-to-war stories?

Uh, probably also The Forever War.


Also, Hyperion, kinda.
 
2012-09-11 12:01:08 AM  

costermonger: I really should read The Forever War.


Good idea, kinda blah execution. Towards the end it gets real weird and preachy.
 
2012-09-11 12:06:13 AM  
Ditch troopers and add this... 

parkinglotconfessional.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-11 01:31:45 AM  
Starship Troopers (the book) is highly overrated. There, I said it.
 
2012-09-11 01:31:46 AM  
Yes. A Starship Troopers without Verhoeven anywhere near it. What saddens me, is that the kids' TV series that was based on the movie is closer in spirit to the book than anything that Dutch bastiche ever tried to do. He hated the book, and decided to cripple it forever with his damn movie.
 
2012-09-11 01:43:48 AM  

Befuddled: Starship Troopers (the book) is highly overrated. There, I said it.


Lies and also lies!
 
2012-09-11 01:45:39 AM  
I predict a 1000 year of war and destruction after the collapse of the great Galactic capital planet, Trantor.
 
2012-09-11 01:47:44 AM  

Befuddled: Starship Troopers (the book) is highly overrated. There, I said it.


You did. I can agree that you typed this out, and I may even agree that you believe it.

I can't agree with the statement, but I can certainly agree that you voiced a horribly mistaken opinion, and I will stand by your right to be horribly mistaken...
 
2012-09-11 01:51:15 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I predict a 1000 year of war and destruction after the collapse of the great Galactic capital planet, Trantor.


I did a double take when I saw the name.... Well done!

/The foundation of a good joke
 
2012-09-11 01:52:03 AM  
.....Firefly?

I guess its cancellation was important for generating lots of fan butthurt.

/And 40k? Seriously? WTF is that doing on this list?
//I'm sure I'll be persuaded otherwise by the horde of image macros with overzealous quotes and baroque-style power armor that's soon to follow...
 
2012-09-11 01:52:39 AM  
Whare TekWar whare?
 
2012-09-11 01:58:47 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: .....Firefly?

I guess its cancellation was important for generating lots of fan butthurt.

/And 40k? Seriously? WTF is that doing on this list?
//I'm sure I'll be persuaded otherwise by the horde of image macros with overzealous quotes and baroque-style power armor that's soon to follow...


Warhmer 40k is a bit weird all inclusive, but the idea of the Empire and Space Marines is indeed one of the best sci fi war stories ever. 100 times better than Ender and his video game.
 
2012-09-11 02:08:48 AM  
What was the name of a sci-fi story about mankind being the soldiers for a federation of alien civilizations because we were by far the best for it? Heard it mentioned in discussions about The Last Starfighter, of all things.
 
2012-09-11 02:10:59 AM  
War stories, eh?

I thought Firefly was post war.

List fails so hard without The Chronicles of the Lensmen. Probably because it predates everything they've read. They only know War of the Worlds because it was a movie recently. Oh, and isn't Star Wars just Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress with a sci-fi veneer?

I don't blame normal people for not reading pre-1940's sci-fi, there's such a shift in technology and knowledge of science. If you were to read Cambell's Dark Star Passes you'd want to reach out and explain a few basic things. He had some simply stupid ideas about things like planetary formation and thermodynamics. Oh, and the authors of that era were prone to outright sexism that might make you feel uncomfortable.

Oh, and I think Doc Smith had an idea of the Higgs Field way back in the 1920's. The starships achieved their speed by eliminating their mass, thus no longer being subject to Einstein's speed limit. I know, it's a silly idea but if you can manipulate the Higgs field we might be set for some serious fun.
 
2012-09-11 02:11:07 AM  
FTA "Apparently Starship Troopers the book is prescribed reading at the US Marines college."

The first person to tell me about the book was a guy in the Canadian forces, who didn't strike me as the type of person to track down an old sci-fi book like that. I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's suggested reading there as well.

Also heard something once about the author using the enemy insects as an allegory for communist forces, so i can see it might get some mileage as a propaganda tool.
 
2012-09-11 02:21:35 AM  

doglover: Warhmer 40k is a bit weird all inclusive, but the idea of the Empire and Space Marines is indeed one of the best sci fi war stories ever. 100 times better than Ender and his video game.


WH40K is so over the top, I can't take it seriously, but it's not over-the-top enough that I can view it as parody. It falls into an uncanny valley of excess for me.
 
2012-09-11 02:23:05 AM  

wildcardjack:
List fails so hard without The Chronicles of the Lensmen.


So much this. Lensman pretty much invented space warfare. And they're a great read to boot.

Probably because it predates everything they've read.

Also this.
 
2012-09-11 02:28:28 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 301x500]


FOR THE HONOR OF THE REGIMENT.
 
2012-09-11 02:29:36 AM  
Dune made the list , I am pleased. Shai-Hulud.
 
2012-09-11 02:36:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Also heard something once about the author using the enemy insects as an allegory for communist forces, so i can see it might get some mileage as a propaganda tool.


In the sense that they were biologically evolved for communism - they didn't have to train up soldiers, they were much closer to ants in that the warrior caste was pretty much born that way and they could shiat out warriors as fast as they could lay eggs. They were also psychically linked to eachother, so any individual bug wouldn't have individual motivations getting in the way of the fight (like self-preservation).
 
2012-09-11 02:42:02 AM  
Ilium/Olympos by Dan Simmons. It's the Trojan War but still...
 
2012-09-11 02:43:40 AM  
This fails without Battlefield Earth and Transmorphers
 
2012-09-11 02:46:08 AM  
I expected to have to add more to this. Glory Road by Heinlein deserves to be on there, as well as the first four Legacy of the Aldenata (Posleen War) books by John Ringo.

My final addition would be the entire farking Legion of the Damned series by William Dietz, which are very hard to find.
 
2012-09-11 02:49:39 AM  
I am going with this one.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-11 02:53:52 AM  
No Babylon 5?
 
2012-09-11 02:55:00 AM  

sirgrim: No Babylon 5?


lol, good one
 
2012-09-11 02:57:02 AM  

fergalicious: wildcardjack:
List fails so hard without The Chronicles of the Lensmen.

So much this. Lensman pretty much invented space warfare. And they're a great read to boot.

Probably because it predates everything they've read.

Also this.


There's a sort of irony in that article since it's been rumored Lucas stole the star wars idea from Lensman.
 
2012-09-11 02:59:25 AM  

sirgrim: No Babylon 5?


It's in the 'Runners up' section at the bottom of the article.
 
2012-09-11 03:07:11 AM  
Gordon R Dickson's Childe Cycle.
 
2012-09-11 03:18:09 AM  
I had the good fortune to find the novelette version of Ender's Game first. It was powerful.

I saw the novel later, it was weaker. Then whichever book came after, it just meandered and I never plowed through it.

I hear the guy kept writing the story again and again, or some homeopathic version of it. I ignore those books faithfully, from respect for the original.

/also, there's a lot of badlife in this thread
 
2012-09-11 03:18:26 AM  
Galactic Patrol was the first sci-fi book I ever read, dunno why I bought that particular one and didn't realise it was part of a series but it was great fun and I bought the rest soon after.

Also took me a while to figure out why there were no computers or anything, its HOW OLD?

Buy yeah, they don't come any more 'space-warrey' than that.
 
2012-09-11 03:34:26 AM  

SickAsAParrot: Galactic Patrol was the first sci-fi book I ever read


Good start. The first sci-fi novel I remember reading was Sentenced to Prism.

upload.wikimedia.org

I was about 8. I had trouble in school because I outright blew the curve on reading skills. You know what you call a kid who's bored with the curriculum? Trouble.
 
2012-09-11 03:36:21 AM  

theflatline: I am going with this one.

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Yep. Get rid of the crappy "Armor" and substitute that in.
 
2012-09-11 03:38:58 AM  
lol! unrelated to anything, while the page loaded, and I watched the bottom left of chrome I saw:
loading ganja.gawkerassets.com

lol
 
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