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(Crooks & Liars)   FoxNews analysis of why Romney is losing boils down to "Obama is a wizard"   (crooksandliars.com ) divider line 219
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2012-09-10 12:12:26 PM  
I am afraid the problem for Republicans in this year's race is long-term socioeconomic self-interest: we are perilously (for conservatives) close to the point where 50% of our population recognizes that Randian dog-eat-dog trickle-down Republicanism is a travesty, and that mutual self-preservation, providing a strong social safety net and a compassionate society that doesn't let human lives be crushed like ants in the economic vice created by the Republican recession, is in fact a good and desirable thing for building a long-term, sustainable society, and we are willing to vote on it as a whole. Throw in a few million angry Latinos, a significant majority of women who are tired of being trampled by right-wing policies, etc., and you have a Democratic majority.

i'd also add in something about shifting demographics and education playing a part but...yeah, I can agree with this point.
 
2012-09-10 12:13:37 PM  
Romney's plans are all George Dubya redux, and he's tens pounds of lies in a five pound bag.

And Obama is one of the best campaigners ever.
 
2012-09-10 12:14:49 PM  
So it boils down to the Magic Negro theory again?
 
2012-09-10 12:16:10 PM  
Great headline subs. I lol'd.
 
2012-09-10 12:18:25 PM  
Love it.
 
2012-09-10 12:19:05 PM  
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2012-09-10 12:19:32 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: So it boils down to the Magic Negro theory again?


I think there are two points of view at work here - group one really doesn't understand why Romney is losing. they see a strong, Christian business leader who says all the right things and has a proven track record of success and they think to themselves 'hey - this Romney guy. he's got his shiat together! he's gonna rock that Obama guy, no problem.' the second group though...they KNOW why Romney is losing. they understand that GOP policies do not play well outside the echo chamber. they know their guy is a vulture capitalist who's screwed over a LOT of blue collar voters to make his millions. they know he's hiding his tax returns. they know that the evangelicals within the party come across as lunatic theocrats to the moderate voters of this country...but they can't actually admit to any of what they know without being torn apart by the first group of Republicans.
 
2012-09-10 12:20:45 PM  
Georgia's Republicans tend to be perfect examples of this phenomena.

They didn't tune into either the RNC nor the DNC but Rush has been keeping them informed.

My brother is a Republican because he's exposed to Republicans. He has recently moved back in with me and has a difficult time of trying to demonstrate any actual knowledge.

His friends are identically ill-informed.

They are still pretty certain that Romney will win and can't fathom how Obama is polling so well.
 
2012-09-10 12:38:18 PM  
This is what happens when your party alienates women, racial, ethnic, and religious minorities, gays, young people, and people who make under $250,000 per year.

How's that working out for you, Republicans?
 
2012-09-10 12:38:59 PM  
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2012-09-10 12:44:29 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 400x267]


Obama 2012: Down-right-VOTE
 
2012-09-10 12:45:07 PM  
Conservatives like to go with what worked last time, and they're having trouble with the whole "Who would you rather have a beer with?" question.
 
2012-09-10 12:46:06 PM  
It must indeed be frustrating and baffling for hard core Right Wing nuts. Every bit of "news" they consume (Fox, AM Radio, etc.) has bombarded them with the myth that Obama is a radical, evil, hateful public figure and the rest of the country can't wait to get rid of him.

And yet, outside the bubble, that narrative is increasingly divergent from Reality.
 
2012-09-10 12:50:30 PM  
I'm not sure why Fox News features prominently in the headline. Only part of the article was about Fox News and Brit Hume said it was still essentially a tied race. Fox News never said anything about losing.
 
2012-09-10 12:51:16 PM  
I don't really get into politics on the internet, but I have noticed certain people that aren't usually political starting to say things like, "Romney is gonna win this," and "People are going to be butthurt when Romney makes Obama his biatch in November."

Even Joe Rogan is starting to throw the word 'liberals' into his everyday conversation.
 
2012-09-10 12:55:40 PM  
Obama is Hannibal and Cannae. He allows the GOP elite to march forward into his line and then he envelops and destroys them. He uses their own arrogance and derp against them.
 
2012-09-10 12:57:13 PM  

Weaver95: but they can't actually admit to any of what they know without being torn apart by the first group of Republicans.


Furthermore, they can't win without the former group, so they *must* defer to them.
 
2012-09-10 12:57:17 PM  

jaylectricity: I don't really get into politics on the internet, but I have noticed certain people that aren't usually political starting to say things like, "Romney is gonna win this," and "People are going to be butthurt when Romney makes Obama his biatch in November."

Even Joe Rogan is starting to throw the word 'liberals' into his everyday conversation.


Yet, right now, 538 has Obama at 80% chance of winning re-election.

I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.
 
2012-09-10 12:59:47 PM  

dletter: I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.


And this is why, of course, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
 
2012-09-10 01:00:31 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Weaver95: but they can't actually admit to any of what they know without being torn apart by the first group of Republicans.

Furthermore, they can't win without the former group, so they *must* defer to them.


its an interesting alliance. unstable, at best. the 'realpolitik' crowd inside the GOP can't do what has to be done in order to win without being eaten alive by their evangelical contingent, which takes the idea of political orthodoxy VERY seriously. a lot of Republicans really do believe that moderates are weak willed bottom feeders who deserve to be kicked out. compromise is a weakness and that they'll win because God said so.
 
2012-09-10 01:03:39 PM  
Y'er a wizard Barry.
 
2012-09-10 01:03:49 PM  
Barack is using dark African magics to confound the Christian people. This is the same magic that Kenyans use to win marathons. Only those magical negroes born on the Dark Continent can use these powers, which is of course proof that he's not fit for the presidency, it's just that the mainstream media can't see through Barack's magical fog. It's all an illusion, created by the blah people and the MSM. Only deep thinkers like Brit Hume and Sean Hannity can cut through the negrotic fog with their razor intelligence.
 
2012-09-10 01:05:39 PM  
Obama puts on robe and wizard hat
 
2012-09-10 01:06:58 PM  

Bladel: It must indeed be frustrating and baffling for hard core Right Wing nuts. Every bit of "news" they consume (Fox, AM Radio, etc.) has bombarded them with the myth that Obama is a radical, evil, hateful public figure and the rest of the country can't wait to get rid of him.

And yet, outside the bubble, that narrative is increasingly divergent from Reality.


QFT, The GOP has completely bought into their own narrative, and it shows.
 
2012-09-10 01:09:06 PM  
Comforting story, but there's a real pitfall in underestimating the amount of Obama hate out there. I live in Illinois (a Republican area, but Obama's home state) and I'm amazed at the number of friends and some family that are convinced that he's a Socialist/Muslim. No matter what information they're exposed to. Perhaps it's fewer than it seems and they're simply a very noisy bunch, but I hope sanity prevails among voters.
 
2012-09-10 01:10:27 PM  
My hardline GOP friends are divorced from reality. After watching the 60 Minutes story on the Seal Team 6 guy last night, they started blasting Obama for taking credit for killing OBL.

When I reminded them that all Obama did was make a statement that OBL was dead, giving all credit to the military team, I then asked them to compare and contrast that with Bush flying in like a hero to an aircraft carrier and announcing "Mission Accomplished" when nothing had been accomplished.

They told me I was drinking the Kool-Aid and that the "Mission Accomplished" banner was just for that aircraft carrier, which had finished its mission.

I then asked if Bush made similar flights to other ships when they were done, or if the Abraham Lincoln was just his favorite. I also asked why he announced that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" in front of that banner, if the banner had nothing to do with his announcement.

They have yet to reply.

These are the kinds of people who cannot understand how anyone could vote for Obama.
 
2012-09-10 01:11:25 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Obama puts on robe and wizard hat


Just wait until he casts his Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite.
 
2012-09-10 01:12:33 PM  

olddeegee: Comforting story, but there's a real pitfall in underestimating the amount of Obama hate out there. I live in Illinois (a Republican area, but Obama's home state) and I'm amazed at the number of friends and some family that are convinced that he's a Socialist/Muslim.


I can't believe you come in here to say this after this:

dletter: I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.


It's just astounding.
 
2012-09-10 01:14:31 PM  

Bontesla: Georgia's Republicans tend to be perfect examples of this phenomena.

They didn't tune into either the RNC nor the DNC but Rush has been keeping them informed.

My brother is a Republican because he's exposed to Republicans. He has recently moved back in with me and has a difficult time of trying to demonstrate any actual knowledge.

His friends are identically ill-informed.

They are still pretty certain that Romney will win and can't fathom how Obama is polling so well.


That's my sister.. She's in Acworth. It's amazing how little these people know.. In this case my sister watched the RNC but not the DNC. Most people in Forsyth won't vote for Obama simply because he's black. The man could shiat enough gold to balance the budget but no one cares.

What's interesting to see is the GA is now pink. We're very close (within like 2 or 3 points) to being a swing state.

I was raised Republican and was quite the young Republican.. I grew up on Reagan politics and because of this I can see the failures of the plans put in place. I was president of the Just Say No club and I know what a failure the war on drugs is because I'm very aware of the program. Most Republicans have no idea what supply side economics is but I was quite aware of exactly what it entailed and was a proponent of it when I was 18. Since I know so much about it I realize what a failure it is. It's pointless to discuss any of this with 25% of the GA voters (50% of Repubs) because we know they hate the blacks.. The other 50% are unaware of the programs they continue to legitimize by voting red and they have no political background or knowledge to even understand the programs their supporting. Eisenhower would shiat if he saw the military industrial complex that's been created but Repubs are also all about that without understanding the history or even caring.
 
2012-09-10 01:14:58 PM  

dletter: I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.


Holy farkballs THIS.

When you will only watch TV shows that tell you the sky is orange, and will only listen to radio shows that tell you the sky is orange, and all your friends in your neighborhood watch the same TV shows and listen to the same radio shows and all agree that the sky is orange, it comes as a bitter surprise to walk outside one day and discover that it is actually blue.

Furthermore, the hard-wired human reaction is not to engage in introspection and determine where you went wrong or whether the information you chose to believe was incorrect, but to believe instead that, no, the sky is supposed to be orange, and someone or something outside of your information bubble is lying to you or deceiving you.

Humans have an amazing capacity to do mental backflips and somersaults to try and make reality conform to their preconceived notions of it by way of ignoring or distorting facts, and an equally amazing inability to do the inverse.
 
2012-09-10 01:18:43 PM  

SilentStrider: Y'er a wizard Barry.


Awesome.
 
2012-09-10 01:27:43 PM  

xynix: What's interesting to see is the GA is now pink. We're very close (within like 2 or 3 points) to being a swing state


I registered to vote here a few weeks ago and I was pretty sad that my vote won't count because this is essentially a red state. That wasn't going to stop me of course, but it's really good to know I'm helping turn us pink. :)
 
2012-09-10 01:27:55 PM  

bdub77: Barack is using dark African magics to confound the Christian people. This is the same magic that Kenyans use to win marathons. Only those magical negroes born on the Dark Continent can use these powers, which is of course proof that he's not fit for the presidency, it's just that the mainstream media can't see through Barack's magical fog. It's all an illusion, created by the blah people and the MSM. Only deep thinkers like Brit Hume and Sean Hannity can cut through the negrotic fog with their razor intelligence.


This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. John 3:10
 
2012-09-10 01:33:36 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: These are the kinds of people who cannot understand how anyone could vote for Obama.


Like the man said: Wizard.
 
2012-09-10 01:35:58 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: olddeegee: Comforting story, but there's a real pitfall in underestimating the amount of Obama hate out there. I live in Illinois (a Republican area, but Obama's home state) and I'm amazed at the number of friends and some family that are convinced that he's a Socialist/Muslim.

I can't believe you come in here to say this after this:

dletter: I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.

It's just astounding.


I take nothing for granted.
 
2012-09-10 01:36:55 PM  
When Romney loses a large percentage of these people will believe in their hearts that an ACORN/Black Panther conspiracy using New World Order-built Voodoo Power Amplifiers clouded the minds of RINOs and forced them to cast an illegal vote for Obama or the American Forced Lesbianism Party, and the only way to guarantee victory in 2016 is to find an even MORE conservative candidate who will regulate all sexual activity in the name of Freedom.
 
2012-09-10 01:42:26 PM  

dletter: I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.


I met an American couple from rural Washington on vacation in Mexico last year, and this was their view. They talked at length about how everyone wants him gone, how spending is just out of control and how the illegal immigrant problem had to be dealt with. Their views didn't really surprise me, but the thing I noticed most about their statements was that "we" and "everybody" came up far more often than they usually do when discussing politics.

I've spent a lot of time in various parts of the US for work, but this was my first real experience with somebody inside the right-wing echo chamber. It's some ugly shiat. She asked me how we liked our health care system because she'd "seen on TV how awful it must be". They seemed genuinely confused when we said we'd never had any complaints.

/they guy actually yelled "ondalay, burro!" when the waiter took their drink order.. that was time for polite excuse to leave
 
2012-09-10 01:47:09 PM  

Bontesla: Georgia's Republicans tend to be perfect examples of this phenomena.

They didn't tune into either the RNC nor the DNC but Rush has been keeping them informed.

My brother is a Republican because he's exposed to Republicans. He has recently moved back in with me and has a difficult time of trying to demonstrate any actual knowledge.

His friends are identically ill-informed.

They are still pretty certain that Romney will win and can't fathom how Obama is polling so well.


I have the same issue. My redneck brother stayed with me for a bit over the summer and was so ill-informed, it was scary. June 6th was an interesting day. He went into a froth about Obama campaigning on the D-Day anniversary and not visiting the D-Day Memorial "like every president before him!". Went online & not only showed him Snopes but actual news articles debunking that dumb claim and was greeted with, "So what! He's still a stinkin' Commie who's destroying this country!"

I'd have asked him to explain how but he'd already been staying with me for over a month at that point. Couldn't take much more idiocy.

/He's since moved back in w/another brother who has to deal with his WHARGARBL 
//I only see his nonsensical FB posts from right-wing blogs now. They'd be amusing if so many people didn't buy into their BS
 
2012-09-10 01:48:51 PM  

Via Infinito: xynix: What's interesting to see is the GA is now pink. We're very close (within like 2 or 3 points) to being a swing state

I registered to vote here a few weeks ago and I was pretty sad that my vote won't count because this is essentially a red state. That wasn't going to stop me of course, but it's really good to know I'm helping turn us pink. :)


No no please vote and it WILL count! If anything our numbers as Democrats will rise and we'll show other Democrats that might not vote that it mattered. I've had my girlfriend and a good friend register as Democrats in the past couple weeks. Spread the word.. Turn GA blue! Also remember that the Governor is due up in 2014 and we have a real chance to get a Dem in there. It's awesome to see this backwater go from strong red to leaning red.
 
2012-09-10 01:49:34 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: When Romney loses a large percentage of these people will believe in their hearts that an ACORN/Black Panther conspiracy using New World Order-built Voodoo Power Amplifiers clouded the minds of RINOs and forced them to cast an illegal vote for Obama or the American Forced Lesbianism Party, and the only way to guarantee victory in 2016 is to find an even MORE conservative candidate who will regulate all sexual activity in the name of Freedom.


In short, it's the last part of what you said. They'll believe that the only way to win is to pick a Santorum next time around. The Chris Christies and Scott Browns of the party will get snuffed out before they have a chance to re-establish a more moderate core of the party.

Keep in mind, when McCain lost, a good chunk of the GOP blamed it on him not being a "real conservative" like Huckabee.
 
2012-09-10 01:51:34 PM  

olddeegee: Comforting story, but there's a real pitfall in underestimating the amount of Obama hate out there. I live in Illinois (a Republican area, but Obama's home state) and I'm amazed at the number of friends and some family that are convinced that he's a Socialist/Muslim. No matter what information they're exposed to. Perhaps it's fewer than it seems and they're simply a very noisy bunch, but I hope sanity prevails among voters.


I did telephone campaigning for Obama during much of October 2008. Most of my territory was Western PA and the amount of vitriol these people would spew really did make me sick. The uninformed were bad enough but the utter racism and bigotry was just unnerving. I was certain Obama was going to lose--at least 65% of the people I was calling were vehemently anti-Obama/black/Muslim/Socialist. But dletter's onto something--in their own little echo chambers, they were confident McCain would win because nearly everyone they knew was just as ignorant as they were.
 
2012-09-10 01:55:35 PM  

olddeegee: Comforting story, but there's a real pitfall in underestimating the amount of Obama hate out there. I live in Illinois (a Republican area, but Obama's home state) and I'm amazed at the number of friends and some family that are convinced that he's a Socialist/Muslim. No matter what information they're exposed to. Perhaps it's fewer than it seems and they're simply a very noisy bunch, but I hope sanity prevails among voters.


I lived in Illinois a majority of my life. I remember during Clinton's election, my coworkers were shocked that Clinton took Illinois and Effingham county.

One co-worker pointed out "outside of you, Darth Lukecash- everyone I knew would vote Bush" I had to show them that the Elctoral College was in the constitution.

The fact in Illinois, everyone says one thing, but will vote their ideas in the booth.
 
2012-09-10 02:03:26 PM  

Sybarite: Dead for Tax Reasons: Obama puts on robe and wizard hat

Just wait until he casts his Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite.


Biden did that earlier.
 
2012-09-10 02:07:57 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: The fact in Illinois, everyone says one thing, but will vote their ideas in the booth everywhere that isn't Chicago is actually Kentucky.

 
2012-09-10 02:08:58 PM  

dletter: I guess we'll see who is right, although I have to think that the majority of the people who have this "Romney can pull it off" mindset live in states where he will win 60+% of the vote, so, they and in a kind of echo chamber that as someone else said "everyone wants to get rid of Obama". Because, yes, in their small world, everyone they talk to on a regular basis does want to get rid of Obama.


It's not just midwestern "lock" states. My sister-in-law in Brooklyn regularly regurgitates the derp she gets from the Fox News.

She was ranting about Fartbongo killing Nasa the other day, that we weren't doing anything good in space since we're not sending men to the moon. I asked her if she'd heard about a thing called "Curiosity" or "Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter" or "James Webb Space Telescope" or "Kepler" and she just looked at me like I'd asked her whether she spits or swallows.
 
2012-09-10 02:10:08 PM  

brigid_fitch: But dletter's onto something--in their own little echo chambers, they were confident McCain would win because nearly everyone they knew was just as ignorant as they were.


NPR had an interview with a former white supremacist some time ago. He was asked why he stopped- what changed his view. He said that when he was part of everything, he sheltered himself with books, music, websites, TV, movies- everything. He fully insulated himself from outside influences. Everything except his job. And the people he worked with were always nice to him. After years of this he came to conclude that the people he was supposed to hate were not less than human- less than him. They were good caring people that were the rule, not the exception. As he came to understand this, his worldview was upended and he left.

Jesus was right. Love them and they'll eventually see that 'liberals' and 'socialists' and 'muslims' and so on are just as human as they are. And that, brigid_fitch, is really really really hard to do sometimes.
 
2012-09-10 02:12:23 PM  

brigid_fitch: I was certain Obama was going to lose--at least 65% of the people I was calling were vehemently anti-Obama/black/Muslim/Socialist.


Keep in mind that outside of metro areas, even in "blue states", the vote almost always trends red. There's a couple states where this isn't as consistent (Minnesota and Hawaii, for example), but yeah.
 
2012-09-10 02:15:17 PM  

SilentStrider: Y'er a wizard Barry.



lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-09-10 02:15:51 PM  

BKITU: Darth_Lukecash: The fact in Illinois, everyone says one thing, but will vote their ideas in the booth everywhere that isn't Chicago is actually Kentucky.


Complete with their own plans for secession.
 
2012-09-10 02:23:41 PM  

Lumpmoose: BKITU: Darth_Lukecash: The fact in Illinois, everyone says one thing, but will vote their ideas in the booth everywhere that isn't Chicago is actually Kentucky.

Complete with their own plans for secession.


And six months after the rural parts of the state go without the massive amount of tax dollars from Chicago that supports that lifestyle with roads, police, and schools, they're crying to be rejoin or begging the feds for cash or raising taxes to cover the shortfall for roads, police, schools, and other first world essential services.
 
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