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(Public Policy Polling)   15% of Ohio Republicans say Romney was more responsible for killing Bin Laden, allowing gays to serve in the military and thinks he picked up Ann on their first date in a rusted-out old car   (publicpolicypolling.com) divider line 112
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2012-09-10 12:17:09 PM  
in related news, 15% of Ohio Republicans are in some sort of out patient rehab for narcotic use.
 
2012-09-10 12:21:00 PM  
I know people are stupid. I understand that.

But really, by what mechanism does romney get credit for bin laden's death?
 
2012-09-10 12:23:48 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I know people are stupid. I understand that.

But really, by what mechanism does romney get credit for bin laden's death?


The same mechanism that allows people to not give credit for Obama for gettin' it done when GWB
was too chicken to do it.
 
2012-09-10 12:26:22 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I know people are stupid. I understand that.

But really, by what mechanism does romney get credit for bin laden's death?


the real reason romney can't show his tax returns is that he led multiple reconnaissance trips to pakistan that led to the eventual strike against bin laden's compound for which romney received massive secret reward payments.
 
2012-09-10 12:32:28 PM  
also, it's not 15% of republicans, it's 15% of those that identified themselves as "very conservative." my assumption is that those 15% also believe that obama is knocking over their trashcans at night.
 
2012-09-10 12:38:56 PM  
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Supplies!

/am not supplied.
 
2012-09-10 12:46:40 PM  
15 percent of Republicans are completely delusional. In fact, that number is probably closer to 35% of Republicans, and in certain areas like Missouri, it's upwards of I dunno, whatever percent of people are voting for Todd Akin which has seemed to stabilize in the 40% area.
 
2012-09-10 12:52:23 PM  
Wow. I mean if Romney was in Congress or something, maybe there would be some small, but still incorrect, basis to say that Romney had something to do with it. But he wasn't and he didn't.
 
2012-09-10 12:59:29 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I know people are stupid. I understand that.

But really, by what mechanism does romney get credit for bin laden's death?


Bin Laden was anticipating a Romney win in November and allowed 0bama to take him out, just to spite the GOP.
 
2012-09-10 01:00:22 PM  
Maybe Bain was responsible for getting Al-Qaeda jobs outsourced o Pakistan.
 
2012-09-10 01:08:32 PM  

thomps: also, it's not 15% of republicans, it's 15% of those that identified themselves as "very conservative." my assumption is that those 15% also believe that obama is knocking over their trashcans at night.


Look through the crosstabs.

It's BOTH 15% of those self-identifying as very conservative AND 15% of those self-identifying as Republican.

I assume there's lots of overlap...but, those are actually two different measurements.
 
2012-09-10 01:19:40 PM  

eraser8: thomps: also, it's not 15% of republicans, it's 15% of those that identified themselves as "very conservative." my assumption is that those 15% also believe that obama is knocking over their trashcans at night.

Look through the crosstabs.

It's BOTH 15% of those self-identifying as very conservative AND 15% of those self-identifying as Republican.

I assume there's lots of overlap...but, those are actually two different measurements.


hmm i didn't see that breakout the first time i glanced through. i wish they showed the breakdown of how republicans and democrats identified themselves ideologicallys (between very liberal and very conservative). or maybe they did and i missed that too.
 
2012-09-10 01:22:40 PM  
I think this tweet about it is correct:

BRENDAN NYHAN
Reminders: some responses to OBL Q are f*** your to pollster, some top-of-head answers to minimize dissonance, some just pushing buttons 8 minutes ago
 
2012-09-10 01:28:16 PM  
I don't know, I could easily believe Bain Capital built Bin Laden's compound with substandard materials and then sold the plans at a 10,000% markup to the CIA.
 
2012-09-10 01:28:32 PM  
Look, Romney may not have killed bin Laden, but he has already baptized him into the LDS church.
 
2012-09-10 01:34:37 PM  
Unless something really stupid happens this election is already over. Mitt is not taking Ohio and looking at the electoral layout if he doesn't win Ohio he's not going to win at all. Florida isn't even important anymore.
 
2012-09-10 01:43:30 PM  
Team mentality carried out to the furthest extent.
 
2012-09-10 02:03:34 PM  
But will Mr. Obama's Mormonism be a problem for him this election? And what about his freakin tap-dancing horse? Why are you so out of touch, Barry?
 
2012-09-10 02:04:00 PM  
Every sample of a population has its idiots.
 
2012-09-10 02:04:28 PM  
Why do these people gotta make me embarrassed to live in the state? Swear, we aren't that bad of a state..just Southeast Ohio needs some cleansing with fire.
 
2012-09-10 02:04:52 PM  
Am I reading a different article than subby did? This one just talks about how Obama has a. 5 point lead. I don't see anything about bin laden or anything.
 
2012-09-10 02:05:36 PM  
Some people just answered "Romney" to every question.

Like Romney Romney, from Romney, OH.
 
2012-09-10 02:05:51 PM  

Jackson Herring: But will Mr. Obama's Mormonism be a problem for him this election? And what about his freakin tap-dancing horse? Why are you so out of touch, Barry?


I want to know why Obama refuses to release his tax returns, even though it was his own father that began the practice.
 
2012-09-10 02:07:44 PM  

Moosecakes: Am I reading a different article than subby did? This one just talks about how Obama has a. 5 point lead. I don't see anything about bin laden or anything.


it's in the pdf linked at the bottom of the article.
 
2012-09-10 02:08:27 PM  

xynix: Unless something really stupid happens this election is already over. Mitt is not taking Ohio and looking at the electoral layout if he doesn't win Ohio he's not going to win at all. Florida isn't even important anymore.


I thought I read last week that financially, Romney was already effectively pulling out of Ohio?
 
2012-09-10 02:09:39 PM  

The Homer Tax: xynix: Unless something really stupid happens this election is already over. Mitt is not taking Ohio and looking at the electoral layout if he doesn't win Ohio he's not going to win at all. Florida isn't even important anymore.

I thought I read last week that financially, Romney was already effectively pulling out of Ohio?


What? Is birth control illegal in Ohio?
 
2012-09-10 02:10:40 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I know people are stupid. I understand that.

But really, by what mechanism does romney get credit for bin laden's death?


George W Bush deserves more credit than Barack HUSSEIN Obama for getting OBL.

George W Bush is a Republican.

Mitt Romney is a Republican.

Therefore, Mitt Romney deserves more credit than Barack HUSSEIN Obama for getting OBL.
 
2012-09-10 02:11:53 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The same mechanism that allows people to not give credit for Obama for gettin' it done when GWB
was too chicken to do it.


I live here in DFW, as does GWB. The night the death of bin Laden was announced, a bunch of people gathered outside of GWB's house hoopin' and hollerin' and celebrating. The next morning as news coverage continued, the news showed the gates outside of GWB's house, where a number of revelers had posted signs.

One of them said, "Obama forgot to say: THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!"

I haven't wanted to break something into small pieces more in my life. What in the HELL should Obama be thanking GWB for? Are you f*cking SERIOUS? Obama should be THANKING the fool who had eight goddamn years to get bin Laden and instead dropped trillions in Iraq WHERE BIN LADEN WAS NOT LOCATED?

I hope the two-digit IQ teabagging asswipe who made that sign got shot by Bush's security detail.
 
2012-09-10 02:12:04 PM  

Moosecakes: Am I reading a different article than subby did? This one just talks about how Obama has a. 5 point lead. I don't see anything about bin laden or anything.


Here's the pdf.
 
2012-09-10 02:12:37 PM  
Obama's response to the Romney/bin Laden claim by the 15%:

'You didn't kill that.'
 
2012-09-10 02:12:39 PM  

bdub77: 15 percent of Republicans are completely delusional. ...


Delusional you say? You mean, like this person in the comments of the PPP site?

"These polls are liberal propaganda, don't believe them. PPP Polling is run by hard core leftists and their polls are part of the Left's disinformation campaign. This supposed enthusiasm for Obama is fraudulent. In reality, the American people have awoken and are going to vote Obama out."

And others posting the Carter/Dukakis polls from the 80s showing them ahead before the election. And as we know, polls' accuracy have not improved in 30 years. 

I actually don't care ALL that much if Obama is defeated and recognize it as a possibility (doesn't seem to be a probability, tho), but these comments are comedy gold.

Although I am concerned about the repressed rage that appears to be simmering among the anti-blah-President crowd. Maybe it's not as bad as it appears and won't manifest after the election.
 
2012-09-10 02:12:52 PM  

Parthenogenetic: hillbillypharmacist: I know people are stupid. I understand that.

But really, by what mechanism does romney get credit for bin laden's death?

George W Bush deserves more credit than Barack HUSSEIN Obama for getting OBL.

George W Bush is a Republican.

Mitt Romney is a Republican.

Therefore, Mitt Romney deserves more credit than Barack HUSSEIN Obama for getting OBL.


Was Mitt a Republican during that whole time....
 
2012-09-10 02:13:54 PM  
The fact that 47% "weren't sure" only proves to me this poll is a piece of crap. And/or was taken by the profoundly retarded at some kind of locked nursing facility.

How can you "NOT KNOW" who was responsible for bin Laden's death? There are only two ways to answer that: a) Obama or b) Romney. "Not sure" isn't a response that should be an option in this kind of question. -eleventy billions to the pollsters for even phrasing this question in that way: They ensured that douchebags who can't read or don't want to be bothered will just fill in "d) not sure" to every question with too many words.
 
2012-09-10 02:13:56 PM  

Jackson Herring: But will Mr. Obama's Mormonism be a problem for him this election? And what about his freakin tap-dancing horse? Why are you so out of touch, Barry?


Americans, conservative or liberal or moderate, can ALL agree that Obama being photographed riding a jet ski was a mistake.
 
2012-09-10 02:15:37 PM  

StopLurkListen: Jackson Herring: But will Mr. Obama's Mormonism be a problem for him this election? And what about his freakin tap-dancing horse? Why are you so out of touch, Barry?

Americans, conservative or liberal or moderate, can ALL agree that Obama being photographed riding a jet ski was a mistake.


Plus that picture of him wearing a helmet and driving a tank, looking like a total dork
 
2012-09-10 02:15:48 PM  
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/10/do-15-of- ohio-republicans-think-romney-killed-bin-laden-probably-not/

Good run-down of some of the studies that show facts only tend to shove peoples' heads further up their butt.
 
2012-09-10 02:16:44 PM  

Citrate1007: Was Mitt a Republican during that whole time....


He's whatever you want him to be.
 
2012-09-10 02:16:57 PM  

SixPaperJoint: pdf.


I expect 15% of "very conservatives" to respond that way. But 4% of very liberal and somewhat liberal? Was that a fat finger issue?
 
2012-09-10 02:17:03 PM  

Flaming Yawn: bdub77: 15 percent of Republicans are completely delusional. ...

Delusional you say? You mean, like this person in the comments of the PPP site?

"These polls are liberal propaganda, don't believe them. PPP Polling is run by hard core leftists and their polls are part of the Left's disinformation campaign. This supposed enthusiasm for Obama is fraudulent. In reality, the American people have awoken and are going to vote Obama out."

And others posting the Carter/Dukakis polls from the 80s showing them ahead before the election. And as we know, polls' accuracy have not improved in 30 years. 

I actually don't care ALL that much if Obama is defeated and recognize it as a possibility (doesn't seem to be a probability, tho), but these comments are comedy gold.

Although I am concerned about the repressed rage that appears to be simmering among the anti-blah-President crowd. Maybe it's not as bad as it appears and won't manifest after the election.


You could always check other polls. 538 is always a good place to look.
Ohio
FiveThirtyEight Projections Dem Rep Margin
Polling average 47.3 44.5 Obama +2.8
Adjusted polling average 47.7 44.1 Obama +3.6
State fundamentals 47.6 45.2 Obama +2.4
Now-cast 48.0 44.6 Obama +3.4
Projected vote share ±5.3 51.1 47.5 Obama +3.6
Chance of winning 75% 25%
Polls 538 WT. Date Dem Rep Margin
PPP 9/9 50.0 45.0 Obama +5.0
Gravis Marketing 9/2 43.7 46.8 Romney +3.1
Gravis Marketing 8/27 45.3 44.4 Obama +0.9
Columbus Dispatch 8/25 45.0 45.0 Tie
The New York Times/Quinnipiac 8/21 50.0 44.0 Obama +6.0
U. of Cincinnati/Ohio Poll 8/21 49.0 46.0 Obama +3.0
Purple Strategies 8/14 44.0 46.0 Romney +2.0
Rasmussen 8/13 45.0 45.0 Tie
PPP 8/12 48.0 45.0 Obama +3.0
The New York Times/Quinnipiac 7/30 50.0 44.0 Obama +6.0
We Ask America * 7/24 47.8 40.2 Obama +7.6
Magellan 7/24 45.0 43.0 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen 7/18 47.0 45.0 Obama +2.0
Purple Strategies 7/13 48.0 45.0 Obama +3.0
Quinnipiac 6/25 47.0 38.0 Obama +9.0
PPP 6/24 47.0 44.0 Obama +3.0
Purple Strategies 6/5 45.0 48.0 Romney +3.0
Rasmussen 5/29 44.0 46.0 Romney +2.0
NBC/Marist 5/20 48.0 42.0 Obama +6.0
Quinnipiac 5/7 45.0 44.0 Obama +1.0
PPP 5/6 50.0 43.0 Obama +7.0
Quinnipiac 5/1 44.0 42.0 Obama +2.0
Purple Strategies 4/23 49.0 44.0 Obama +5.0
Rasmussen 4/18 46.0 42.0 Obama +4.0
Fox News 4/17 45.0 39.0 Obama +6.0
Rasmussen 3/26 48.0 40.0 Obama +8.0
Quinnipiac 3/26 47.0 41.0 Obama +6.0
NBC/Marist 3/2 50.0 38.0 Obama +12.0
Fox News 2/13 38.0 44.0 Romney +6.0
Quinnipiac 2/12 46.0 44.0 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen 2/8 45.0 41.0 Obama +4.0
PPP 1/29 49.0 42.0 Obama +7.0
Quinnipiac 1/16 44.0 42.0 Obama +2.0
Quinnipiac 12/5 42.0 43.0 Romney +1.0
 
2012-09-10 02:17:33 PM  
images.wikia.com
"63% of those polled think foreign aid payments are too high, 54% want to see foreign aid payments cut. You know what that means? 9% of people think foreign aid payments are too high and shouldn't be cut! 9%of people need an option that reads 'don't ask me I have no idea what you're talking about.'"

/I'm probably not remembering it properly.
 
2012-09-10 02:18:29 PM  

The Homer Tax: xynix: Unless something really stupid happens this election is already over. Mitt is not taking Ohio and looking at the electoral layout if he doesn't win Ohio he's not going to win at all. Florida isn't even important anymore.

I thought I read last week that financially, Romney was already effectively pulling out of Ohio?


He pulled out of MI, OH, and PA. Not sure where he's going to put that money though... CO and NV are pretty much leaning Obama now as is NH and WI. Florida seems to be the only real battleground state and now that they struck down the voter registration suppression "law" they tried to enact that state could go blue again. We'll have to see poll results over the next month as potential backlogged Democrats get to register.

It's not looking good at all for Mittens.
 
2012-09-10 02:18:44 PM  

The Homer Tax: xynix: Unless something really stupid happens this election is already over. Mitt is not taking Ohio and looking at the electoral layout if he doesn't win Ohio he's not going to win at all. Florida isn't even important anymore.

I thought I read last week that financially, Romney was already effectively pulling out of Ohio?


The story I saw said Michigan and Pennsylvania. If he's giving up on Ohio too, he might as well start writing his concession speech now.
 
2012-09-10 02:20:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The fact that 47% "weren't sure" only proves to me this poll is a piece of crap. And/or was taken by the profoundly retarded at some kind of locked nursing facility.

How can you "NOT KNOW" who was responsible for bin Laden's death? There are only two ways to answer that: a) Obama or b) Romney. "Not sure" isn't a response that should be an option in this kind of question. -eleventy billions to the pollsters for even phrasing this question in that way: They ensured that douchebags who can't read or don't want to be bothered will just fill in "d) not sure" to every question with too many words.


Not Sure was the guy who stopped watering crops with Brawndo. I can see how someone could get the two confused.
 
2012-09-10 02:20:48 PM  
Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the
killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or
Mitt Romney?

Fifteen is the question number, subby.
 
2012-09-10 02:23:26 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: [images.wikia.com image 765x822]
"63% of those polled think foreign aid payments are too high, 54% want to see foreign aid payments cut. You know what that means? 9% of people think foreign aid payments are too high and shouldn't be cut! 9%of people need an option that reads 'don't ask me I have no idea what you're talking about.'"

/I'm probably not remembering it properly.


Close enough. Though it's at LEAST 9%, could be even more.
 
2012-09-10 02:25:18 PM  

LordOfThePings: Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the
killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or
Mitt Romney?

Fifteen is the question number, subby.


Subby is referring to the chart on page 7 - 15% of those polled who self-identified as "very conservative" believed that Romney was more responsible for Bin Laden's death.
 
2012-09-10 02:26:18 PM  

Tusz: The Homer Tax: xynix: Unless something really stupid happens this election is already over. Mitt is not taking Ohio and looking at the electoral layout if he doesn't win Ohio he's not going to win at all. Florida isn't even important anymore.

I thought I read last week that financially, Romney was already effectively pulling out of Ohio?

The story I saw said Michigan and Pennsylvania. If he's giving up on Ohio too, he might as well start writing his concession speech now.


Romney included Ohio in his last ad buy. He has to know conceding Ohio is suicide, even if the pulls have him losing ground.
 
2012-09-10 02:27:24 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: "63% of those polled think foreign aid payments are too high, 54% want to see foreign aid payments cut. You know what that means? 9% of people think foreign aid payments are too high and shouldn't be cut! 9%of people need an option that reads 'don't ask me I have no idea what you're talking about.'"

/I'm probably not remembering it properly.


You could make those positions into a logically consistent thought if you add a bit more information. Perhaps that 9% of people belief that we're spending too much on foreign aid, but that it would be worse to spend less.

Sort of how every week I pull up to the Exxon statement and swear a little the price of gas, but I still buy a full tank. The cost of gas is higher than I'd like, but I realize that if I spend less on it I'm not going to make it to work in the morning. 

/But yeah, 25% of Americans are retarted.
//At least 25%
 
2012-09-10 02:27:25 PM  
Clinton has a 84% favorability among black voters compared to Obama's 79%.

/lol
 
2012-09-10 02:27:44 PM  

Sasquatchuan: LordOfThePings: Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the
killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or
Mitt Romney?

Fifteen is the question number, subby.

Subby is referring to the chart on page 7 - 15% of those polled who self-identified as "very conservative" believed that Romney was more responsible for Bin Laden's death.


And 51% of "very conservative" are not sure. They refuse to give Obama credit for ANYTHING. Blame, however...pile it on.
 
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