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(The Atlantic)   Pre-existing conditions are hard for the GOP. They're the center of the Venn Diagram of "People Ayn Rand Said To Ignore" and "People Jesus Said To Help"   (theatlantic.com) divider line 55
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2012-09-10 12:38:04 PM
15 votes:

Mr. Right: Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.


What that might look like:

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2012-09-10 12:45:15 PM
6 votes:

Mr. Right: That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.


Liberals may do it in their minds, but conservatives do it on national television.

static01.mediaite.com

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

#stillwinning
2012-09-10 12:38:08 PM
6 votes:
Cognitive Dissonance is only a problem if you think about it.
2012-09-10 12:27:54 PM
6 votes:
Oh f*ck it. This could have been a decent thread on a decent article. Instead it got trolled to sh*t and back right out of the gate. F*ck this thread. F*ck this place. F*ck all you. F*ck yo' couch and f*ck yo mamas.
2012-09-10 11:34:54 AM
6 votes:
Oh please, subby. Your fake Jesus may have taken care of the sick and the downtrodden, but Supply-Side Jeezus would look at those assholes and proclaim:

toppun.com
2012-09-10 12:28:10 PM
5 votes:
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2012-09-10 12:26:33 PM
5 votes:
The GOP needs better healthcare themselves: they've been walking around for 30 years with undiagnosed Multiple Personality Disorder.
2012-09-10 12:51:24 PM
4 votes:

Mr. Right: Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.


What a republican winning a debate with a democrat looks like:
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2012-09-10 12:56:00 PM
3 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: Mr. Right: Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.

What that might look like:

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24.media.tumblr.com
2012-09-10 12:36:13 PM
3 votes:
"People Jesus said to help"

Not Free Market Jesus

bornagainpagan.com
2012-09-10 11:43:56 AM
3 votes:
The GOP follows the teachings of Jesus?
2012-09-10 01:18:07 PM
2 votes:

Bullseyed: Do you or do you not believe in evolution?

Then you only want the fit to survive.


OMFG! Tell me you're a creationist in addition to a "taxes are theft" derper Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
2012-09-10 01:07:07 PM
2 votes:
I showed my wife my boner last night and she told me there was nothing she could do about a pre-existing condition.
2012-09-10 01:01:16 PM
2 votes:

Mrbogey: Karac: In before people who say:
Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

bother to say how those peoples' claims are wrong.
Yay, still early.

Since this is on the internet, everyone here has the ability to find out the truth. That they ha ent is more a testament to self-reinforced ignorance.

But I'll play along as if you haven't been told this before. Insurance by definition fan not cover a pre-existing condition. You can't insure against something that has already happened happening. The issue is really one of care... To which the liberal position seems to rely on society covering it.. As if communal morality trumps private morality.

Tell that to Jesus when he asks what you did to help the least among us.

"Well I belonged to a group that advocated something be done. So were cool, right bro?"


What "private morality" looks like:

blogs.esanjoaquin.com

Okay, so Yolanda needs 800k just for the surgery and that doesn't count the medication she'll need to take forever. If each person who attends the benefit splurges on the two-meat combo, her friends will only need to sell 47,059 dinners to cover the cost of the surgery. (Not counting food costs. Here's hoping the venue is free.)

Have no fear, Yolanda. Private morality is totally going to work out for you.
2012-09-10 12:52:55 PM
2 votes:

The Muthaship: coeyagi: Definition? What definition? Is this definition found in The Bible or other GOP publications? WHAR definition WHAR?

Do you guys really not know how insurance works? Is that even possible?


Of course we know how insurance works.

Step 1: Pay insurance company for health insurance.
Step 2: Ask insurance company to pay for health care.
Step 3: Insurance company says no. PROFIT!
2012-09-10 12:43:09 PM
2 votes:
Jesus said to help everybody and not worry about yourself, while Ayn Rand said get yours and screw everybody else. They're diametrically opposed to each other. She's like Jesus's evil twin. Of course, there's actual proof that Ayn Rand existed, so she's got that going for her.
2012-09-10 12:41:32 PM
2 votes:

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.

 

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2012-09-10 12:34:40 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Right: Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.


static.ddmcdn.com
2012-09-10 12:28:50 PM
2 votes:
Dear right wing:

Let this sink in.

kburchard.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-10 12:26:15 PM
2 votes:

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Just say that you want those who are sick and not wealthy to die painful deaths without treatment so that you can save a few bucks, and be done with it.
2012-09-10 12:25:04 PM
2 votes:
This thread.

advancedmasturbation.com
2012-09-10 04:20:54 PM
1 votes:

dumbobruni: as someone with a physical birth defect, I am getting a kick out of this thread. Especially since the insurance company refused to cover most of the treatment to begin with, and my parents had to seek the help of a charity to cover part of the rest.

/its hard to pick yourself up by your bootstraps, especially when you have a 50% chance of being confined to a wheelchair for your entire life.


If your parents had gone to church twice a week, prayed really hard, tithed properly, and complimented the pastor's wife's casserole, this would not have happened to you.
2012-09-10 04:19:46 PM
1 votes:

westfalc: Journalist John Stossel notes that the use of life expectancy figures is misleading and the life expectancy in the United States is held down by homicides, accidents, poor diet, and lack of exercise. When controlled for these facts, Stossel claims that American life expectancy is actually one of the highest in the world


Heh heh ... except for all the stuff that kills people, the U.S. has one of the highest life expectancies in the world.

Seriously, did you even read what you typed? Or, I guess, cut and pasted?
2012-09-10 03:31:30 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Philip Francis Queeg: Kit Fister: I'd call 9-1-1 knowing that we pay for insurance coverage that will pick up part of the tab, and also knowing that the hospital will set up a payment plan to pay off the bill should a catastrophic emergency like that occur, then pay it off over time as we can afford to. I still would refuse to ask anyone else to pay the bill for me, I'd work as long as I had to to pay off the bill, as I'm doing now with some of my OWN bills.

However, since you bring it up, I've got about $5k in outstanding medical bills. Since it sounds like you're offering to pay them for me, what's your address so I can have them forwarded to you for payment? EIP.

Oh, so you expect the hospital and all of the other healthcare providers to cover your costs for years or decades, if you can repay them at all. Perhaps they should demand cash up front to avoid irresponsible people who expect them to assume such burdens.

Uhm, every time I've negotiated a pay-off plan, there's interest involved, and it's a pay-off-in-x-time deal. If i couldn't do that with the hospital, there's always a house I own that I can mortgage, and other ways of getting help that doesn't provide me expecting anyone to do anything for me.


What interest rate are you paying? Is it enough to cover the risk that you will default on the loan? What collateral did you put up? Could they have made more investing the money rather than supporting your irresponsible decision to accept services you could not pay for? Why haven't you sold your house so that you are not burdening the hospital and other providers with the cost of paying for your irresponsible decisions? I would think someone like you would be deeply ashamed of the burden you have forced others to accept merely so that you could get healthcare.

It sounds like you are as bad as those terrible people you criticize who accept help from the government.
2012-09-10 03:04:00 PM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: They should have bought insurance before their pre existing condition happened. Instead, they partied on crack.


Honestly? Your schtick hasn't been amusing in a long time. You may be old school, but you're a goddamned bore when it comes to trolling.
upurs.us
2012-09-10 03:01:50 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Smug? How so? Because I make maybe $50k a year and spend about half that to support my aging mom and dad where their medical coverage doesn't cover it, while still paying for my own living expenses?


Your parents sound lazy. They should get a job and get their own damn insurance instead of leeching of you.
2012-09-10 01:22:57 PM
1 votes:

Kuroshin: Cognitive Dissonance is only a problem if you think about it.


That's like saying that mental illness is all in your head.
2012-09-10 01:21:28 PM
1 votes:
To the GOP, not being a white straight rich Christian male is a "pre-existing condition", and their recommended treatment is not giving a f*ck about it.
2012-09-10 01:14:46 PM
1 votes:

Jekylman: I have a pre-existing condition for which I have been denied individual-plan health care multiple times, so I'm getting a kick...


That "getting a kick" feeling is also a pre-existing condition. Surrender your house and car the next time you want a checkup, hippie.
2012-09-10 01:13:59 PM
1 votes:

Bullseyed: Amusing that liberals work so hard to stop evolution.

Do you or do you not believe in evolution?

Then you only want the fit to survive.


Really? I was told in a thread in the past few days that liberals were in favor of Eugenics because of their "pro-abortion" platform?

Could someone please come and tell the GOP what their talking points are supposed to be?
2012-09-10 01:10:42 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Oh my god! Spread the risk evenly throughout society and use economies of scale to encheapen care for everyone?!?! Next they will want the government to do everything for us, like build, or clean water!

/where's my gun(s)?
2012-09-10 01:09:07 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: /and it is unconstitutional


bigbaddie.com
2012-09-10 01:08:58 PM
1 votes:

doubled99: A Dark Evil Omen SmartestFunniest 2012-09-10 12:59:06 PM


doubled99: Is this the thread where psuedo intellectuals make attempts at snarky comments about an author they aren't able to understand?

Now, don't get me wrong. I think the theory of relativity is stupid, too.

Did... Did you just compare Rand and Einstein?

They were married, right?


Nononono.

Einstien was married to that Jewish chick - Helen Keller
2012-09-10 01:00:19 PM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Oh f*ck it. This could have been a decent thread on a decent article. Instead it got trolled to sh*t and back right out of the gate. F*ck this thread. F*ck this place. F*ck all you. F*ck yo' couch and f*ck yo mamas.


Otherwise OK?
2012-09-10 01:00:13 PM
1 votes:

fozziewazzi: The real issue is how to provide affordable health care to people with pre-existing conditions. The Democrats have put forth that everyone should be mandated to purchase insurance to socialize the costs. I haven't heard a workable plan from the Republicans.


Wait, yes we have! It was proposed back in the day by the Heritage Foundation as a response to Clinton's health care reform proposal. I think it involved mandating everyone purchase insurance to socialize the costs.
2012-09-10 12:59:06 PM
1 votes:

doubled99: Is this the thread where psuedo intellectuals make attempts at snarky comments about an author they aren't able to understand?

Now, don't get me wrong. I think the theory of relativity is stupid, too.


Did... Did you just compare Rand and Einstein?
2012-09-10 12:46:49 PM
1 votes:

wedun: No that's Socialism if we do that then wait times will automatically increase tenfold because african americans and illegal immigrants will be using up all the services.


You're joking, but yes, actually what I'm outlining as the route of basic goddamned common sense for this application is in fact literally socialism (it's nationalization of a large portion of an industry). And it does result in some increase in usage of medical services, if the examples of Canadian and UK implementation show anything. Which we know because other people did it first, and we can thus account for.

None of which changes the fact that it's the obvious, sensible way to do things. I mean, I understand that the middle-men don't like to be cut out of things, but come on, having private entities do a sort of back-end tax and try to make medical decisions with bureaucrats while skimming off the top for investors is like trying to take a one-horse buggy onto a six-lane modern highway. Sure, it kinda eventually gets you to the right place, but it's slow, awkward, arrives late, and mostly just produces horseshiat.
2012-09-10 12:46:20 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: I'm in favor of insurance companies telling people to fark off if they decide to get insurance only after being sick, the exact same way I would if a person crashes their car and then decides to buy full coverage.

Dumb decisions sometimes have negative consequences.


dumbobruni: as someone with a physical birth defect, I am getting a kick out of this thread.


Way to be have a birth defect, stupid. That dumb decision means the insurance company should be able to tell you to fark off.
2012-09-10 12:39:33 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: qorkfiend: You pay out of your own pocket, or out of company coffers?

Not as much difference as you might think. It's my company. Of course, I didn't build that.

/really, I didn't....


I bet you are pissed that you have to pay your workers too. They should be paying you for the privilege of laboring for you.
2012-09-10 12:37:01 PM
1 votes:
Some of you just don't understand the basic tenets of Christianity. If the bible says the earth is 6000 years old, then the earth is 6000 years old (no matter if there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary), but there are some portions of the bible that clearly weren't intended to be taken literally - for example:

"Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matthew 19:21
2012-09-10 12:36:20 PM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Covering pre-existing conditions is a horribly irresponsible thing for an insurance company to do, it's intentionally screwing over the healthy people in the pool that are actually using insurance for its intended purpose (it only functions if people pay in when they're healthy, too) and if it's a for-profit company it's also horribly irresponsible to the owners.

Which is, y'know, why a basic level of care should probably be provided from tax money instead. Sure, if you're an adult and need an organ replaced or your kid draws a genetic short straw and gets some weird, arcane chronic illness, that's a solution for insurance. If you break your leg or your kid needs MMR boosters, I think that's a common enough issue with a broad enough social impact that it's legitimate to dump some of the 1/3 or so of my income that's in the various levels of government into it.

//In the case of MMR, you also shouldn't be given a choice. Because of basically the reason an insurance company accepting pre-existing conditions is unfair to the customers, but with the context reversed.


No that's Socialism if we do that then wait times will automatically increase tenfold because african americans and illegal immigrants will be using up all the services.
2012-09-10 12:35:13 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.


Ironically not intended to be a hypocritical statement.
2012-09-10 12:31:54 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: How many old people, soldiers, poor people, and sick kids are there?

because I'm paying for all of them with my tax dollars.


Glad to hear someone on here has a job.
2012-09-10 12:30:40 PM
1 votes:
Conservatism and the 2012 GOP are the antithesis of Christianity.
2012-09-10 12:28:45 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Most liberals (and I'd bet that quite a few centrists too) want a nationalized health care system for basic care. That works for the majority of the developed world and it would lift a huge cost from US based companies.
2012-09-10 12:27:45 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Definition? What definition? Is this definition found in The Bible or other GOP publications? WHAR definition WHAR?
2012-09-10 12:27:21 PM
1 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: Aren't those venn diagrams just overlapping circles really?


I see what you did there.
2012-09-10 12:26:07 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


A lot of us have been SCREAMING that for years now. But we can't get that done. So, here's this sh*tty compromise. Enjoy it.
2012-09-10 12:24:16 PM
1 votes:
If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.
2012-09-10 12:24:08 PM
1 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: /What said Venn diagram might look like.


I'm not sure what's funnier... how true that statement is, or the not-so-subtle hinting at the GOP's similarities to WWII-era Japanese fighters.

/career kamikaze!
2012-09-10 12:23:50 PM
1 votes:
In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.
2012-09-10 12:22:59 PM
1 votes:
To be fair Romney doesn't know what to do with preexisting conditions either.
2012-09-10 12:20:58 PM
1 votes:
Aren't those venn diagrams just overlapping circles really?
2012-09-10 12:20:53 PM
1 votes:
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/What said Venn diagram might look like.
2012-09-10 11:45:48 AM
1 votes:
Like Republicans actually follow the words of Jesus.
 
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