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(The Atlantic)   Pre-existing conditions are hard for the GOP. They're the center of the Venn Diagram of "People Ayn Rand Said To Ignore" and "People Jesus Said To Help"   (theatlantic.com) divider line 636
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2012-09-10 11:34:54 AM  
Oh please, subby. Your fake Jesus may have taken care of the sick and the downtrodden, but Supply-Side Jeezus would look at those assholes and proclaim:

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2012-09-10 11:43:56 AM  
The GOP follows the teachings of Jesus?
 
2012-09-10 11:45:48 AM  
Like Republicans actually follow the words of Jesus.
 
2012-09-10 12:20:53 PM  
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/What said Venn diagram might look like.
 
2012-09-10 12:20:58 PM  
Aren't those venn diagrams just overlapping circles really?
 
2012-09-10 12:22:29 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The GOP follows the teachings of Jesus?


No, they just like to say his name a lot.
 
2012-09-10 12:22:40 PM  
Jesus would be too liberal for the GOP
 
2012-09-10 12:22:59 PM  
To be fair Romney doesn't know what to do with preexisting conditions either.
 
2012-09-10 12:23:50 PM  
In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.
 
2012-09-10 12:24:08 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: /What said Venn diagram might look like.


I'm not sure what's funnier... how true that statement is, or the not-so-subtle hinting at the GOP's similarities to WWII-era Japanese fighters.

/career kamikaze!
 
2012-09-10 12:24:16 PM  
If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.
 
2012-09-10 12:25:04 PM  
This thread.

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2012-09-10 12:25:10 PM  

Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.


Not going to let facts dictate what you say, eh?
 
2012-09-10 12:25:27 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


I'd be thrilled to have Medicare for All!
 
2012-09-10 12:25:59 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry.


Um, no. It's not really insurance if it only covers healthy people. By definition, the industry is a fraud if it the "insurance" they're selling doesn't cover the sick.
 
2012-09-10 12:26:07 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


A lot of us have been SCREAMING that for years now. But we can't get that done. So, here's this sh*tty compromise. Enjoy it.
 
2012-09-10 12:26:15 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Just say that you want those who are sick and not wealthy to die painful deaths without treatment so that you can save a few bucks, and be done with it.
 
2012-09-10 12:26:16 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


You have a better solution?
 
2012-09-10 12:26:33 PM  
The GOP needs better healthcare themselves: they've been walking around for 30 years with undiagnosed Multiple Personality Disorder.
 
2012-09-10 12:27:08 PM  

MrEricSir: Um, no. It's not really insurance if it only covers healthy people.


Did you not understand how insurance works, or are you just fooling around?
 
2012-09-10 12:27:21 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Aren't those venn diagrams just overlapping circles really?


I see what you did there.
 
2012-09-10 12:27:22 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Ok, let's do it.
 
2012-09-10 12:27:26 PM  

Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.


That's how liberals, in their own mind, win the debate. It's hard to lose an argument when you get to write your opponent's lines a well as your own.
 
2012-09-10 12:27:45 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Definition? What definition? Is this definition found in The Bible or other GOP publications? WHAR definition WHAR?
 
2012-09-10 12:27:48 PM  
If you think obvious contradictions are difficult for Republicans to explain then you haven't been paying attention.

It's a well documented fact that most don't think about the contradiction so it isn't a problem for them. And most aren't asked follow-up questions because the media does a terrible job.
 
2012-09-10 12:27:54 PM  
Oh f*ck it. This could have been a decent thread on a decent article. Instead it got trolled to sh*t and back right out of the gate. F*ck this thread. F*ck this place. F*ck all you. F*ck yo' couch and f*ck yo mamas.
 
2012-09-10 12:28:10 PM  
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2012-09-10 12:28:22 PM  
Jesus said to help the poor to, and we know how well THAT is going, so why should people with pre-existing conditions be different?
 
2012-09-10 12:28:22 PM  
Since money doesn't grow on trees, and insurance companies are in the business of making money, why in fark would they want to take on known expenses.

In the end, I guess the pre-existing conditions argument simply makes the case for single payer.

/ I'm a simpleton
 
2012-09-10 12:28:27 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Just say that you want those who are sick and not wealthy to die painful deaths without treatment so that you can save a few bucks, and be done with it.


Subtle.

I pay for the health insurance for 21 families. How many are you covering?
 
2012-09-10 12:28:44 PM  
Pre-existing conditions are a problem because every idea that involves covering them and not providing a public

Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.


In before some jackass says something useless instead of telling us his version of what Republicans actually believe.

Damn, you're fast.
 
2012-09-10 12:28:45 PM  

The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.


Most liberals (and I'd bet that quite a few centrists too) want a nationalized health care system for basic care. That works for the majority of the developed world and it would lift a huge cost from US based companies.
 
2012-09-10 12:28:50 PM  
Dear right wing:

Let this sink in.

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2012-09-10 12:29:11 PM  
Romney's play here was obvious enough: By being a little fuzzy about what, exactly, he was proposing, he could sound like he had a way to protect people with preexisting conditions while still saying he wants to repeal Obamacare. He'd get the best of both worlds. But the problem with trying to strategically confuse people is that you actually confuse them, and that's what happened here. Rather than coming away thinking Romney had a secret plan to protect people with preexisting conditions, they went away thinking Romney had a secret plan to protect Obamacare. Link
 
2012-09-10 12:29:52 PM  

coeyagi: Definition? What definition? Is this definition found in The Bible or other GOP publications? WHAR definition WHAR?


Do you guys really not know how insurance works? Is that even possible?
 
2012-09-10 12:30:28 PM  
In before people who say:

Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.


bother to say how those peoples' claims are wrong.
Yay, still early.
 
2012-09-10 12:30:30 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.

You have a better solution?


Single payer. It still destroys the industry but it would cost us less and be less complicated.
 
2012-09-10 12:30:40 PM  
Conservatism and the 2012 GOP are the antithesis of Christianity.
 
2012-09-10 12:30:50 PM  
Even Obama knows that you can't cover preexisting conditions without a mandate/tax to cover the cost. What is Romeny going to do about that? Try an repeal the mandate?
 
2012-09-10 12:31:03 PM  

The Muthaship: I pay for the health insurance for 21 families. How many are you covering?


How many old people, soldiers, poor people, and sick kids are there?

because I'm paying for all of them with my tax dollars.
 
2012-09-10 12:31:13 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The Muthaship: If you require private insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health at the time of enrollment, you have by definition destroyed the industry. Just say you want the government (by which you mean tax payers) to pay the bill for your health care, and be done with it.

Just say that you want those who are sick and not wealthy to die painful deaths without treatment so that you can save a few bucks, and be done with it.


Because prior to the ACA that's exactly what happened.
 
2012-09-10 12:31:28 PM  
This shouldn't be so difficult for the GOP.

"My plan will create two options. One will be a market-based system that gives people the freedom to choose their own private health insurance provider by issuing vouchers and letting consumers decide what plan is the best for their unique circumstances. The other will work a lot like Medicare does today, for people who are familiar with how that works and don't want to change things too much."

Private insurers will then be free to attract relatively healthy persons to hand over their vouchers for free government subsidies, while diverting people with cerebral palsy, Type I diabetes, degenerative neurologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, cancer, chronic renal failure, and other unprofitable diseases and conditions onto the government-run option.

Then the captains of industry can crow about the profits they're making thanks to the magic of the free market, while disparaging the dismal fiscal sinkhole of government-run Medicare.
 
2012-09-10 12:31:33 PM  
Jesus said to help the poor too, and we know how well THAT is going, so why should people with pre-existing conditions be different?

FTFM
 
2012-09-10 12:31:54 PM  

Aarontology: How many old people, soldiers, poor people, and sick kids are there?

because I'm paying for all of them with my tax dollars.


Glad to hear someone on here has a job.
 
2012-09-10 12:32:06 PM  

The Muthaship: Philip Francis Queeg: Just say that you want those who are sick and not wealthy to die painful deaths without treatment so that you can save a few bucks, and be done with it.

Subtle.

I pay for the health insurance for 21 families. How many are you covering?


You pay out of your own pocket, or out of company coffers? There's a world of difference there, you know.
 
2012-09-10 12:32:08 PM  
Covering pre-existing conditions is a horribly irresponsible thing for an insurance company to do, it's intentionally screwing over the healthy people in the pool that are actually using insurance for its intended purpose (it only functions if people pay in when they're healthy, too) and if it's a for-profit company it's also horribly irresponsible to the owners.

Which is, y'know, why a basic level of care should probably be provided from tax money instead. Sure, if you're an adult and need an organ replaced or your kid draws a genetic short straw and gets some weird, arcane chronic illness, that's a solution for insurance. If you break your leg or your kid needs MMR boosters, I think that's a common enough issue with a broad enough social impact that it's legitimate to dump some of the 1/3 or so of my income that's in the various levels of government into it.

//In the case of MMR, you also shouldn't be given a choice. Because of basically the reason an insurance company accepting pre-existing conditions is unfair to the customers, but with the context reversed.
 
2012-09-10 12:32:31 PM  

The Muthaship: coeyagi: Definition? What definition? Is this definition found in The Bible or other GOP publications? WHAR definition WHAR?

Do you guys really not know how insurance works? Is that even possible?


Oh, you really want to get into the nuts and bolts for how insurance works? That's going to be a fun conversation for me, and probably a not-so-fun one for you.
 
2012-09-10 12:32:54 PM  

The Muthaship: Philip Francis Queeg: Just say that you want those who are sick and not wealthy to die painful deaths without treatment so that you can save a few bucks, and be done with it.

Subtle.

I pay for the health insurance for 21 families. How many are you covering?


Really? You pay for the health insurance for 21 families out of your own pocket? How very generous. Many companies pay for health insurance for groups of people out of their revenues. I don't know of many people like you who generously pay for the health insurance of strangers out of their own income.

Do you ask them if they have pre-existing conditions before you make these generous donations?

T
 
2012-09-10 12:32:56 PM  

The Muthaship: coeyagi: Definition? What definition? Is this definition found in The Bible or other GOP publications? WHAR definition WHAR?

Do you guys really not know how insurance works? Is that even possible?


Does it work even when people are going to the ER and getting thousands of dollars of benefits and those costs are passed on to my premiums? If your argument is financial, than your real quabble is with the Hippocratic Oath, bro.
 
2012-09-10 12:32:56 PM  

ghare: Mrbogey: In before people who don't know what Republicans actually believe claim to know what they believe...

Damn too late.

Not going to let facts dictate what you say, eh?


The best thing about having your mind made up ahead of the facts is that you have more free time to for important things, like researching birth certificates.
 
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