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(Ace Showbiz)   Though he has yet to make 2 and 3, James Cameron reveals the details of Avatar 4: Na'vi Boogaloo   ( aceshowbiz.com) divider line
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2012-09-10 10:01:22 AM  
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2012-09-10 10:23:29 AM  
How the hell did Avatar become the #1 movie of all time? I understand inflation and larger ticket prices for the 3D but still. It was a very pretty but ultimintly boring movie with bland characters. And he's making 3 more of them? Go back and fix Terminator and Alien, Jim.
 
2012-09-10 10:28:06 AM  
Because I found Zoe Saldana hotter as a CGI Na'avi, does that make me a furry?

Hot:
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Hotter:
cdn.screenrant.com
 
2012-09-10 10:34:09 AM  
Avatar is one of those movies I can watch once, afterwards I feel kind of embarrassed for having watched it. Let's be honest, Avatar is basically furry pron with one-dimensional characters and very good special effects. And no I don't need 3D.
 
2012-09-10 11:14:59 AM  
Roger Dean has his lawyers ready this time.
 
2012-09-10 11:31:43 AM  
"In this one Gargame...um, I mean Colonel Quaritch"
 
2012-09-10 11:44:51 AM  
I hope the second on hemorrhages money.
 
2012-09-10 12:57:26 PM  
I want to see the aliens from Alien show up and lay waste to the Na'vi.
 
2012-09-10 12:59:26 PM  
Is this the one where the humans take off, glass the planet, send in powered armored space marines to wipe out everything that's left, and then strip mine the place?

Because I'd watch that one.
 
2012-09-10 01:01:20 PM  

bdub77: Avatar is one of those movies I can watch once, afterwards I feel kind of embarrassed for having watched it. Let's be honest, Avatar is basically furry pron with one-dimensional characters and very good special effects. And no I don't need 3D.


Avatar is a film everyone watched once. I don't think anyone has the motivation to slog through it a second time.
 
2012-09-10 01:10:23 PM  
HowTF can this be a multi-film space epic... stuck on one planet with one alien race. James has lost his mind.
 
2012-09-10 01:10:38 PM  
Yeah, way too much fridge logic on that movie for sequels. I mean, probably most people didn't pick up on the blatant 1920s-style racism as fast as the Conan fans*, but I'm pretty sure like nine in ten people realized there was something unsettling about the plot after they'd had an hour or so to stop being impressed by the CGI.

*To be fair, anyone that has read the old pulps can probably ignore it.
 
2012-09-10 01:11:33 PM  

Detinwolf: bdub77: Avatar is one of those movies I can watch once, afterwards I feel kind of embarrassed for having watched it. Let's be honest, Avatar is basically furry pron with one-dimensional characters and very good special effects. And no I don't need 3D.

Avatar is a film everyone watched once. I don't think anyone has the motivation to slog through it a second time.


I was ready to walk out once we hit the "everything glows when you touch it" part. It was enviro-fanfic with a giant budget.
 
2012-09-10 01:18:43 PM  
Cameron went on sharing that working on the next two "Avatar" films was a daunting task "because I'm writing two scripts together as one big thing." He added, "You know, Peter Jackson had it easy, he already had the books. He had the books.

Cameron just need to write one script. There is a Furn Gully 2.
 
2012-09-10 01:25:01 PM  
I bet James Cameron has a really nice TV set in his house with a remote control.
 
2012-09-10 01:25:34 PM  

Spade: Is this the one where the humans take off, glass the planet, send in powered armored space marines to wipe out everything that's left, and then strip mine the place?

Because I'd watch that one.


That's about the only possible outcome if Earth gets serious about extracting as much Cantgetyounone from Pandora. They can simply bombard Pandora from orbit, wait for things to settle down, and resume mining. I don't care how powerful those bows are, the arrows they shoot aren't going to reach orbital height.

It's actually an interesting problem: It takes 6 years to travel between Earth and Pandora, but only 4 years for communications. One would assume that after the Na'vi won, Earth would have been notified by radio either then, or immediately after when the losers were shipped back up to the interstellar craft. But it will take 4 years before Earth knows about it, and in the mean time they'll be sending ships. They won't notice a stoppage of shipments for 2 years after they find out about battle. That would drive the cost of shiatdontexist through the roof, because now there is the prospect of not having any more.

Negotiations would also be very difficult: If you sent a proposal, you'd have to wait 8 years for a response. That's too slow, the Earth would have to send a representative empowered to make a treaty, etc. instead.

Militarily it's also interesting: The Na'vi and "good" Earth people have about 9 years to prepare for a military response from Earth. We can assume they have access to whatever is left on Pandora, along with whatever the ships that were in the "pipeline" between Earth and Pandora have on them. They've got to come up with an effective response to an orbital threat using mostly non-military aircraft and space vehicles.
 
2012-09-10 01:25:38 PM  
Avatar 2: The Earth forces return and decide to poison gas the entire planet from Orbit...killing all life forms. Since the furry people to not have technology to even see when the 'Earthers' return in orbit, they don't have a chance to hide.

/Movie over.
 
2012-09-10 01:26:10 PM  
A 4th sci-fi movie that's a prequel to a trilogy? Is it too early to claim it'll be ruined by Nav Nav Binks?
 
2012-09-10 01:28:44 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, way too much fridge logic on that movie for sequels. I mean, probably most people didn't pick up on the blatant 1920s-style racism as fast as the Conan fans*, but I'm pretty sure like nine in ten people realized there was something unsettling about the plot after they'd had an hour or so to stop being impressed by the CGI.

*To be fair, anyone that has read the old pulps can probably ignore it.


I think you're underestimating how awesome the CGI and 3D were.
 
2012-09-10 01:28:53 PM  
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one Na'Vi, and they primarily play Dota 2

navi-gaming.com
 
2012-09-10 01:29:31 PM  
The sad part is that Disney truly believes Avatar is their answer to Harry Potter World at Universal Studios.

/heard the ride is on hold due to JC being a controlling douche
//Disney Im sure is also a controlling douche
///the star wars and Indiana Jones rides are cool
 
2012-09-10 01:32:38 PM  

WienerButt: ///the star wars and Indiana Jones rides are cool


The one in Disney Land maybe. All we got in Disney World was a silly stunt show.
 
2012-09-10 01:38:38 PM  

dittybopper: Spade: Is this the one where the humans take off, glass the planet, send in powered armored space marines to wipe out everything that's left, and then strip mine the place?

Because I'd watch that one.

That's about the only possible outcome if Earth gets serious about extracting as much Cantgetyounone from Pandora. They can simply bombard Pandora from orbit, wait for things to settle down, and resume mining. I don't care how powerful those bows are, the arrows they shoot aren't going to reach orbital height.

It's actually an interesting problem: It takes 6 years to travel between Earth and Pandora, but only 4 years for communications. One would assume that after the Na'vi won, Earth would have been notified by radio either then, or immediately after when the losers were shipped back up to the interstellar craft. But it will take 4 years before Earth knows about it, and in the mean time they'll be sending ships. They won't notice a stoppage of shipments for 2 years after they find out about battle. That would drive the cost of shiatdontexist through the roof, because now there is the prospect of not having any more.

Negotiations would also be very difficult: If you sent a proposal, you'd have to wait 8 years for a response. That's too slow, the Earth would have to send a representative empowered to make a treaty, etc. instead.

Militarily it's also interesting: The Na'vi and "good" Earth people have about 9 years to prepare for a military response from Earth. We can assume they have access to whatever is left on Pandora, along with whatever the ships that were in the "pipeline" between Earth and Pandora have on them. They've got to come up with an effective response to an orbital threat using mostly non-military aircraft and space vehicles.


Link
 
2012-09-10 01:42:43 PM  
Avatar 2: Earthlings attempt to conquer Pandora. Meanwhile Jake and company go underseas to discover a crashed alien spaceship and that the Na'vi are not an indigenous species. Then the Earthlings do something especially unspeakable and the composite Grace-Eywa entity awakens and vows revenge on Earth. Pandora then leaves Polyphemus (that big gas giant in the background) and heads straight for Earth.

Avatar 3: Grace-Etwaa wages war on Earth. Seedpods are fired from Pandora and land on Earth. The seedpods then open and release hundreds of vaguely familiar Pandoran animals and plants to wreak havoc. Jake and company somehow return to Earth and discover that Grace is Pandora-forming Earth's surface and has intentions of becoming Earth's Eywa.
 
2012-09-10 01:56:44 PM  
A plot that thin needs three more movies?
And while I'm at it, how does The Hobbit become three movies?
 
2012-09-10 01:58:20 PM  

dittybopper: Militarily it's also interesting: The Na'vi and "good" Earth people have about 9 years to prepare for a military response from Earth. We can assume they have access to whatever is left on Pandora, along with whatever the ships that were in the "pipeline" between Earth and Pandora have on them. They've got to come up with an effective response to an orbital threat using mostly non-military aircraft and space vehicles.


We had no problem dropping napalm and agent orange on Vietnam, and we were trying to "save" them. If a primitive race were trying to deny us a resource that valuable, I have no doubt we'd turn the planet into a barren wasteland to make mining easier.
 
2012-09-10 02:02:06 PM  

Mugato: How the hell did Avatar become the #1 movie of all time? I understand inflation and larger ticket prices for the 3D but still. It was a very pretty but ultimintly boring movie with bland characters. And he's making 3 more of them? Go back and fix Terminator and Alien, Jim.


They should get Ridley Scott to fix the Alien franchise! Oh, wait... 

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-10 02:04:09 PM  
how about "Avatar 2 - this time we have convincing animations for the blue furry creatures so they don't look plastic and fake" ?
 
2012-09-10 02:07:24 PM  

red5ish: And while I'm at it, how does The Hobbit become three movies?


Simple math:

One movie x average movie price x # of people who see it = $$$$$$

Three movies x average movie price x # of people who see it = $$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
2012-09-10 02:09:06 PM  

red5ish: A plot that thin needs three more movies?
And while I'm at it, how does The Hobbit become three movies?


The Hobbit is so chockful of great scenes one movie could not contain them all. To do it right, it would have to be at least 2 movies. Stuff from the Silmarillion will also be added resulting in a film trilogy.

But we digress...
 
2012-09-10 02:12:13 PM  
I take it this means that Avatar 5 will be a reboot, which will garner two more sequels and another prequel. Let the vicious cycle begin!
 
2012-09-10 02:14:09 PM  
I found myself rooting for the marines over the blue people. Am I a bad person?
 
2012-09-10 02:18:33 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I found myself rooting for the marines over the blue people. Am I a bad person?


No, at least the Marines were believable.
 
2012-09-10 02:18:53 PM  
Pandora is really Mogo
 
2012-09-10 02:22:08 PM  

IrateShadow: dittybopper: Militarily it's also interesting: The Na'vi and "good" Earth people have about 9 years to prepare for a military response from Earth. We can assume they have access to whatever is left on Pandora, along with whatever the ships that were in the "pipeline" between Earth and Pandora have on them. They've got to come up with an effective response to an orbital threat using mostly non-military aircraft and space vehicles.

We had no problem dropping napalm and agent orange on Vietnam, and we were trying to "save" them. If a primitive race were trying to deny us a resource that valuable, I have no doubt we'd turn the planet into a barren wasteland to make mining easier.


Thing is, there are "good humans" there that presumably know how to operate spacecraft and the like, and can monitor for incoming ships, and we have to assume that they will commandeer whatever else enters the system before Earth shuts down the supply pipeline. So they'll have some space ships, which means they'll have some way of attacking intruders.

They *KNOW* that Earth is going to come after them, and they've got at least 9 years before Earth can mount a military expedition against them. That should be enough time, even with limited human personnel and limited resources, to gin up some sort of a response, given the technology they've got available.

Make no mistake, either: It would have to be the humans taking the lead, because the Na'vi won't have the understanding of things like orbital mechanics, etc. necessary to throw rocks into space.
 
2012-09-10 02:29:40 PM  

Flappyhead: Detinwolf: bdub77: Avatar is one of those movies I can watch once, afterwards I feel kind of embarrassed for having watched it. Let's be honest, Avatar is basically furry pron with one-dimensional characters and very good special effects. And no I don't need 3D.

Avatar is a film everyone watched once. I don't think anyone has the motivation to slog through it a second time.

I was ready to walk out once we hit the "everything glows when you touch it" part. It was enviro-fanfic with a giant budget.


I tuned out the moment she said "Only three people have ever tamed that animal" and I instantly knew who the fourth would be. That's not foreshadowing, that's just lame writing.

Avatar was every cliche ever thrown into one movie. The sequels will crash and burn. It'll be Matrix 2 and 3 again, except the first Matrix was good.
 
2012-09-10 02:29:55 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I found myself rooting for the marines over the blue people. Am I a bad person?


No, I was rooting for them too. It's like a battle of reality vs hippies, and somehow the hippies won. I don't like hippies.
 
2012-09-10 02:30:54 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I found myself rooting for the marines over the blue people. Am I a bad person?


Go back where you came from human lover!
 
2012-09-10 02:32:05 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Flappyhead: Detinwolf: bdub77: Avatar is one of those movies I can watch once, afterwards I feel kind of embarrassed for having watched it. Let's be honest, Avatar is basically furry pron with one-dimensional characters and very good special effects. And no I don't need 3D.

Avatar is a film everyone watched once. I don't think anyone has the motivation to slog through it a second time.

I was ready to walk out once we hit the "everything glows when you touch it" part. It was enviro-fanfic with a giant budget.

I tuned out the moment she said "Only three people have ever tamed that animal" and I instantly knew who the fourth would be. That's not foreshadowing, that's just lame writing.

Avatar was every cliche ever thrown into one movie. The sequels will crash and burn. It'll be Matrix 2 and 3 again, except the first Matrix was good.


Why can't they do it like Highlander, just make one film and walk away from it?
 
2012-09-10 02:35:06 PM  

dittybopper: Spade: Is this the one where the humans take off, glass the planet, send in powered armored space marines to wipe out everything that's left, and then strip mine the place?

Because I'd watch that one.

That's about the only possible outcome if Earth gets serious about extracting as much Cantgetyounone from Pandora. They can simply bombard Pandora from orbit, wait for things to settle down, and resume mining. I don't care how powerful those bows are, the arrows they shoot aren't going to reach orbital height.

It's actually an interesting problem: It takes 6 years to travel between Earth and Pandora, but only 4 years for communications. One would assume that after the Na'vi won, Earth would have been notified by radio either then, or immediately after when the losers were shipped back up to the interstellar craft. But it will take 4 years before Earth knows about it, and in the mean time they'll be sending ships. They won't notice a stoppage of shipments for 2 years after they find out about battle. That would drive the cost of shiatdontexist through the roof, because now there is the prospect of not having any more.

Negotiations would also be very difficult: If you sent a proposal, you'd have to wait 8 years for a response. That's too slow, the Earth would have to send a representative empowered to make a treaty, etc. instead.

Militarily it's also interesting: The Na'vi and "good" Earth people have about 9 years to prepare for a military response from Earth. We can assume they have access to whatever is left on Pandora, along with whatever the ships that were in the "pipeline" between Earth and Pandora have on them. They've got to come up with an effective response to an orbital threat using mostly non-military aircraft and space vehicles.


If this level of thought is put into the films, then they probably won't suck. In just about every instance of a technologically superior culture encountering a less advanced culture, the stronger culture utterly destroys the weaker one. Logically, this is the next step for the Avatar franchise, and it'll be interesting to see how (or even if) this is addressed.

I've mixed feelings about Avatar. On the one hand, the SF fan in me wants very badly to like it, and in terms of world building the film actually does a lot right. In terms of storytelling and characterization though is where I think it falls flat.
 
2012-09-10 02:35:39 PM  

dittybopper: Thing is, there are "good humans" there that presumably know how to operate spacecraft and the like, and can monitor for incoming ships, and we have to assume that they will commandeer whatever else enters the system before Earth shuts down the supply pipeline. So they'll have some space ships, which means they'll have some way of attacking intruders.

They *KNOW* that Earth is going to come after them, and they've got at least 9 years before Earth can mount a military expedition against them. That should be enough time, even with limited human personnel and limited resources, to gin up some sort of a response, given the technology they've got available.

Make no mistake, either: It would have to be the humans taking the lead, because the Na'vi won't have the understanding of things like orbital mechanics, etc. necessary to throw rocks into space.


Yeah, but if the "bad" humans just don't care, then it's trivial to win the war. You engineer a fast-acting plague and launch a couple of thousand probe/bombs for the planet. It's unlikely that even with 10 years of prep time the navi'll be able to stop enough of them to prevent the devastation of something like that.
 
2012-09-10 02:41:34 PM  

Coelacanth: Avatar 2: Earthlings attempt to conquer Pandora. Meanwhile Jake and company go underseas to discover a crashed alien spaceship and that the Na'vi are not an indigenous species. Then the Earthlings do something especially unspeakable and the composite Grace-Eywa entity awakens and vows revenge on Earth. Pandora then leaves Polyphemus (that big gas giant in the background) and heads straight for Earth.

Avatar 3: Grace-Etwaa wages war on Earth. Seedpods are fired from Pandora and land on Earth. The seedpods then open and release hundreds of vaguely familiar Pandoran animals and plants to wreak havoc. Jake and company somehow return to Earth and discover that Grace is Pandora-forming Earth's surface and has intentions of becoming Earth's Eywa.


That sounds mildly awesome.
 
2012-09-10 02:43:34 PM  

IrateShadow: dittybopper: Thing is, there are "good humans" there that presumably know how to operate spacecraft and the like, and can monitor for incoming ships, and we have to assume that they will commandeer whatever else enters the system before Earth shuts down the supply pipeline. So they'll have some space ships, which means they'll have some way of attacking intruders.

They *KNOW* that Earth is going to come after them, and they've got at least 9 years before Earth can mount a military expedition against them. That should be enough time, even with limited human personnel and limited resources, to gin up some sort of a response, given the technology they've got available.

Make no mistake, either: It would have to be the humans taking the lead, because the Na'vi won't have the understanding of things like orbital mechanics, etc. necessary to throw rocks into space.

Yeah, but if the "bad" humans just don't care, then it's trivial to win the war. You engineer a fast-acting plague and launch a couple of thousand probe/bombs for the planet. It's unlikely that even with 10 years of prep time the navi'll be able to stop enough of them to prevent the devastation of something like that.


Pretty much this. Oh, in 10 years you actually have developed a working flying vehicle? Hmmm, enjoy 63 hydroden bombs on your little tree and planet.
 
2012-09-10 02:44:40 PM  

IrateShadow: Yeah, but if the "bad" humans just don't care, then it's trivial to win the war. You engineer a fast-acting plague and launch a couple of thousand probe/bombs for the planet. It's unlikely that even with 10 years of prep time the navi'll be able to stop enough of them to prevent the devastation of something like that.


The idea is to make sure the land is still habitable, so that once you've annihliated or subdued the natives you can still harvest their resources. See the US involvement in the Middle East.
 
2012-09-10 02:48:58 PM  

devilEther: The idea is to make sure the land is still habitable, so that once you've annihliated or subdued the natives you can still harvest their resources. See the US involvement in the Middle East.


That's why you'd use a plague instead of nukes.
 
2012-09-10 02:49:48 PM  

devilEther: IrateShadow: Yeah, but if the "bad" humans just don't care, then it's trivial to win the war. You engineer a fast-acting plague and launch a couple of thousand probe/bombs for the planet. It's unlikely that even with 10 years of prep time the navi'll be able to stop enough of them to prevent the devastation of something like that.

The idea is to make sure the land is still habitable, so that once you've annihliated or subdued the natives you can still harvest their resources. See the US involvement in the Middle East.


That's only if you plan on living there after (or anyone else living there for that matter). They just want the Unobtanium (god I hate that word so much, what a stupid name for a mineral, and it's not even original (thanks The Core)).
 
2012-09-10 03:05:20 PM  

IrateShadow: devilEther: The idea is to make sure the land is still habitable, so that once you've annihliated or subdued the natives you can still harvest their resources. See the US involvement in the Middle East.

That's why you'd use a plague instead of nukes.


But then you'd get Na'Vi Zack de la Rocha yelling at you.
 
2012-09-10 03:06:59 PM  

dittybopper: Thing is, there are "good humans" there that presumably know how to operate spacecraft and the like, and can monitor for incoming ships, and we have to assume that they will commandeer whatever else enters the system before Earth shuts down the supply pipeline. So they'll have some space ships, which means they'll have some way of attacking intruders.


Professions of people remaining on Pandora:

1. Research bontanist (semi-deceased)
2. Idiot soldier, not even an officer or pilot
3. Linguist/general lab monkey
4. Maybe some geologists or something

So... nope. All the pilots were on the side of eeeeeevil, and they're the only people in the entire setting who can so much as muster up the escape velocity equation. They also explicitly chased off everyone who wanted the notanyofthishereyallium, i.e. anyone who actually knows how to exploit its antigravity properties.

Admittedly they're sitting on a pile of floating rocks that can assumably do something space-like, but remember that it took two entire civilizations' worth of brains half a century to go from rockets to rockets reliable enough to launch delicate payloads like people into space. The Na'avi have _one_ brain, and it's busy manually tuning the biosphere because Pandora has an ecological balance so terribly unsustainable that it requires the micromanagement of a literal god to have it not go nuclear in five minutes.

So... nah. In the 10-year turnaround, the humans send some basic drones out to nudge asteroids onto a collision course, come back 5 years later to harvest their mineral from the now-barren world (or at least now-group-mindless) while chuckling humorously to themselves. And the gravity-well dwellers can't do a damn thing.

//Who am I kidding, military people are demonstrably astonishingly retarded in Avatar-verse, they didn't even bother putting up a wall around their colony. They'll send like 5 guys and a cybernetic mule to invade at ground-level.
 
2012-09-10 03:09:12 PM  

dittybopper: Spade: Is this the one where the humans take off, glass the planet, send in powered armored space marines to wipe out everything that's left, and then strip mine the place?

Because I'd watch that one.

That's about the only possible outcome if Earth gets serious about extracting as much Cantgetyounone from Pandora. They can simply bombard Pandora from orbit, wait for things to settle down, and resume mining. I don't care how powerful those bows are, the arrows they shoot aren't going to reach orbital height.

It's actually an interesting problem: It takes 6 years to travel between Earth and Pandora, but only 4 years for communications. One would assume that after the Na'vi won, Earth would have been notified by radio either then, or immediately after when the losers were shipped back up to the interstellar craft. But it will take 4 years before Earth knows about it, and in the mean time they'll be sending ships. They won't notice a stoppage of shipments for 2 years after they find out about battle. That would drive the cost of shiatdontexist through the roof, because now there is the prospect of not having any more.

Negotiations would also be very difficult: If you sent a proposal, you'd have to wait 8 years for a response. That's too slow, the Earth would have to send a representative empowered to make a treaty, etc. instead.

Militarily it's also interesting: The Na'vi and "good" Earth people have about 9 years to prepare for a military response from Earth. We can assume they have access to whatever is left on Pandora, along with whatever the ships that were in the "pipeline" between Earth and Pandora have on them. They've got to come up with an effective response to an orbital threat using mostly non-military aircraft and space vehicles.


Dittybopper, you've obviously put in more time writing that post than Cameron did on the first draft of the script.

I was thinking that a sequel would involve possibly two things. A heavy relativistic weapon crashing into the planet, or the farking aliens that designed the place show up. I was wondering if Kirk Cameron was writing things because you can't evolve external neurons that can interface with unrelated species. It was full of crocoducks.

i0.kym-cdn.com

And the relativistic weapon idea isn't that hard. You just take one of your ships, load it with rocks, and accelerate towards an intercept point with the target. Release rocks at .8c and brake.
 
2012-09-10 03:10:07 PM  
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That quickly solves the Na'vi problems.
 
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