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(ESPN)   Another Calipari Final Four Under Fire... Wait, it's Duke's 2010 title   (espn.go.com ) divider line
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2012-09-10 10:44:25 AM  
Awwwwkward.
 
2012-09-10 10:45:19 AM  
That sucks.
 
2012-09-10 10:46:19 AM  
According to the lawsuit, obtained by The Associated Press, Thomas put down $30,000 in cash for his purchase of a black diamond necklace, diamond-encrusted watch, diamond cross and diamond pendant in the shape of Jesus' head.

Can't buy taste.
 
2012-09-10 10:47:08 AM  
When lawyers for Rafaello & Co. filed a lawsuit against Lance Thomas on behalf of their clients, they did it merely because the store owners wanted the unpaid balance of $67,800 for a lifetime's worth of bling purchased by Thomas in 2009.

Well, that article isn't biased at all. Off to a great start there, ESPN
 
2012-09-10 10:47:26 AM  
You feel that sting, Dookies? That's pride farkin' with you!!!!
 
2012-09-10 10:51:56 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: According to the lawsuit, obtained by The Associated Press, Thomas put down $30,000 in cash for his purchase of a black diamond necklace, diamond-encrusted watch, diamond cross and diamond pendant in the shape of Jesus' head.

Can't buy taste.


That could be said of 99.999999999999999% of the jewelry worth being called "bling" out there.
 
2012-09-10 11:04:54 AM  
After sitting and watching the NCAA give UNC a pass for giving away A's to athletes because the basketball program has been caught up in the problem I have no doubt that Coach K won't have to give up his National Title of something as silly as an athlete getting a little jewelry.

I used to want college football to have an NCAA run playoff, but since the NCAA is loathe to harm their precious bball tourney's reputation (unless your name is Calipari) I don't think I want the NCAA anywhere near football.
 
2012-09-10 11:09:04 AM  
And nothing at all will happen, because it's Duke. I'm sure Lance Thomas just happened to have $30,000 in cash to make a down payment - because all college students have that kind of money laying around, and surely all of us could get another $67,000 in credit.
 
2012-09-10 11:13:24 AM  
set people atwitter and send them to Twitter.

Bad author. Bad.
 
2012-09-10 11:13:44 AM  
Of course the team that beat us in our second ever Final Four would be under suspicion of NCAA infractions. =/
 
2012-09-10 11:16:50 AM  
Don't go anywhere, Jim Calhoun, I'm sure the NCAA will want to talk with you just any...day...now...I'm certain that as soon as somebody...makes a call....maybe sends a reminder note....hello...?
 
2012-09-10 11:42:07 AM  

timswar: After sitting and watching the NCAA give UNC a pass for giving away A's to athletes because the basketball program has been caught up in the problem I have no doubt that Coach K won't have to give up his National Title of something as silly as an athlete getting a little jewelry.

I used to want college football to have an NCAA run playoff, but since the NCAA is loathe to harm their precious bball tourney's reputation (unless your name is Calipari) I don't think I want the NCAA anywhere near football.


Agree. On the football side if you have students cheat on an online music test by sharing answers- not sponsored by the university or staff, you forfeit wins, scholarships, etc. Unless you are UNC. Then you institutionally encourage cheating and can give As to athletes and it is totally cool! UNC should get the lack of institutional control for that one.
 
2012-09-10 12:05:01 PM  
I'm not reading the article, but I'm pretty sure the real big issue is that the credit was given on potential of future earnings, which automatically makes the player ineligible.
 
2012-09-10 12:09:42 PM  
I'm pretty sure Coach K could get away with 10 dead hookers being found in his trunk along with documented evidence of him selling nuclear secrets to terrorists.
 
2012-09-10 12:15:27 PM  

Killer Cars: I'm pretty sure Coach K could get away with 10 dead hookers being found in his trunk along with documented evidence of him selling nuclear secrets to terrorists.


Nonsense! I'm sure that right now the NCAA has top men - top. men. - looking into ways they can punish Jerry Tarkanian for this.
 
2012-09-10 12:33:18 PM  

timswar: the NCAA is loathe to harm their precious bball tourney's reputation (unless your name is Calipari)


Eh, even Calipari's pretty much untouchable, now that he's at Kentucky. The big-time programs generate entirely too much revenue for the NCAA and the shoe companies to garner a real punishment. Oh, sure, there may be a probation here or there, maybe a loss of scholarships, but nothing major.

That's why the NCAA hit Memphis up after Calipari left- it was their last chance to take a shot at him.

Duke losing a title might affect Nike's bottom line, as would North Carolina facing discipline for their academics. That's why this story will quietly fade away. I realize it's rather cynical of me to think the NCAA will base its decision based on corporate profits of a multinational corporation.
 
2012-09-10 12:36:07 PM  

COACH K JEWELERS

 
2012-09-10 12:37:57 PM  
I said "base" twice.
 
2012-09-10 12:43:32 PM  

Gonz: timswar: the NCAA is loathe to harm their precious bball tourney's reputation (unless your name is Calipari)

Eh, even Calipari's pretty much untouchable, now that he's at Kentucky. The big-time programs generate entirely too much revenue for the NCAA and the shoe companies to garner a real punishment. Oh, sure, there may be a probation here or there, maybe a loss of scholarships, but nothing major.

That's why the NCAA hit Memphis up after Calipari left- it was their last chance to take a shot at him.

Duke losing a title might affect Nike's bottom line, as would North Carolina facing discipline for their academics. That's why this story will quietly fade away. I realize it's rather cynical of me to think the NCAA will base its decision based on corporate profits of a multinational corporation.


This is true, but I would point out that the NCAA has failed to investigate a very similar claim against a Calipari player while he was at Memphis, too.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/16607

"On Dec. 25 of last year, according to his own sworn affidavit, La Mondue gave former Memphis basketball player Shawne Williams $5,000 cash.

Merry Christmas, Shawne! Go buy yourself a really, really nice necktie!

The $5,000 was one of 75 payments _ totaling $49,494 _ the Norfolk, Va. lawyer claimed to have given Williams in a suit filed in Norfolk Circuit Court."
 
2012-09-10 12:50:52 PM  

Gonz: I said "base" twice.


All our base are in your post
 
2012-09-10 02:17:04 PM  
This has been in the news since Friday...Fark is slow.
 
2012-09-10 02:36:16 PM  

erratick: timswar: After sitting and watching the NCAA give UNC a pass for giving away A's to athletes because the basketball program has been caught up in the problem I have no doubt that Coach K won't have to give up his National Title of something as silly as an athlete getting a little jewelry.

I used to want college football to have an NCAA run playoff, but since the NCAA is loathe to harm their precious bball tourney's reputation (unless your name is Calipari) I don't think I want the NCAA anywhere near football.

Agree. On the football side if you have students cheat on an online music test by sharing answers- not sponsored by the university or staff, you forfeit wins, scholarships, etc. Unless you are UNC. Then you institutionally encourage cheating and can give As to athletes and it is totally cool! UNC should get the lack of institutional control for that one.


Do you even know what the fark you are talking about?

North Carolina was found to have violated several rules over the course of three seasons as it pertains to the recruiting of players and the payments from player agents. According to the NCAA website, the Committee found many punishable offenses during their investigation, including academic fraud, impermissible agent benefits, ineligible participation and a failure to monitor its football program.

Duke, on the other hand, has had booster Myron Piggie pay Corey Maggette, and nothing happened.

Not to mention the perception problems (even if what went on is not a violation) caused by Chris Duhon's mother and Carlos Boozer's father moving to Durham and getting high-paying jobs with companies run or owned by Duke boosters. 

The NCAA now has a chance to show that it is not selective in its enforcement of the rules. Let's see what they do.
 
2012-09-10 02:45:01 PM  

treecologist:
The NCAA now has a chance to show that it is not selective in its enforcement of the rules. Let's see what they do.


I'm sure the NCAA will decide what action to take next after Dick Vitale's thorough invesigation into any possible wrongdoing at Duke is finished.
 
2012-09-10 03:58:44 PM  

babysealclubber: I'm not reading the article, but I'm pretty sure the real big issue is that the credit was given on potential of future earnings, which automatically makes the player ineligible.


I think the bigger issue is the money he already had - dude had 15 days to pay off the jewelry, which doesn't really indicate that they were waiting until he turned pro.

Having $30K on you to drop on jewelry, though? As well as convincing people you could pull off another $67K in 15 days? There might be some issues surrounding that.
 
2012-09-10 04:06:51 PM  

IAmRight: babysealclubber: I'm not reading the article, but I'm pretty sure the real big issue is that the credit was given on potential of future earnings, which automatically makes the player ineligible.

I think the bigger issue is the money he already had - dude had 15 days to pay off the jewelry, which doesn't really indicate that they were waiting until he turned pro.

Having $30K on you to drop on jewelry, though? As well as convincing people you could pull off another $67K in 15 days? There might be some issues surrounding that.


Good point. From what I understand, he is from a single-parent household, and his mother works in factory. That really makes it seems like something is up.
 
2012-09-10 06:14:57 PM  
Wait, I was told by the college basketball shills that Coach K was a clean guy running a clean program. Does this still mean he will get the book deals to be a sanctimonious dbag?

I'm just shocked ESPN did some actual reporting.
 
2012-09-10 08:14:57 PM  

babysealclubber: IAmRight: babysealclubber: I'm not reading the article, but I'm pretty sure the real big issue is that the credit was given on potential of future earnings, which automatically makes the player ineligible.

I think the bigger issue is the money he already had - dude had 15 days to pay off the jewelry, which doesn't really indicate that they were waiting until he turned pro.

Having $30K on you to drop on jewelry, though? As well as convincing people you could pull off another $67K in 15 days? There might be some issues surrounding that.

Good point. From what I understand, he is from a single-parent household, and his mother works in factory. That really makes it seems like something is up.


Well his mother is a foreman(woman)/supervisor which is a bit different than Reggie Bush's momma being a minimum wage guard. They had this with a UGA player years ago (Terrell Davis maybe) who had two cars, one was the car he had in high school and the second one was a new car his mother bought for him after she had saved for his college tuition. People screamed about it but the NCAA investigation was over in about 30 mins after she faxed her records and payment of the new car over.

There may be enough to investigate but the problem is tying it back to Mike K. and Duke.
 
2012-09-10 08:34:36 PM  

steamingpile: babysealclubber: IAmRight: babysealclubber: I'm not reading the article, but I'm pretty sure the real big issue is that the credit was given on potential of future earnings, which automatically makes the player ineligible.

I think the bigger issue is the money he already had - dude had 15 days to pay off the jewelry, which doesn't really indicate that they were waiting until he turned pro.

Having $30K on you to drop on jewelry, though? As well as convincing people you could pull off another $67K in 15 days? There might be some issues surrounding that.

Good point. From what I understand, he is from a single-parent household, and his mother works in factory. That really makes it seems like something is up.

Well his mother is a foreman(woman)/supervisor which is a bit different than Reggie Bush's momma being a minimum wage guard. They had this with a UGA player years ago (Terrell Davis maybe) who had two cars, one was the car he had in high school and the second one was a new car his mother bought for him after she had saved for his college tuition. People screamed about it but the NCAA investigation was over in about 30 mins after she faxed her records and payment of the new car over.

There may be enough to investigate but the problem is tying it back to Mike K. and Duke.


It shouldn't matter wherever coach k knew or not, given past rulings, if he was fronted that money by an outside party or agent or if he was gIven some sort of credit on potential income or earnings.
 
2012-09-10 09:06:17 PM  

babysealclubber: It shouldn't matter wherever coach k knew or not, given past rulings, if he was fronted that money by an outside party or agent or if he was gIven some sort of credit on potential income or earnings.


That does matter whether people like to admit it or not, especially in terms of sanctions, as well as past violations occurring. Its why the PSU punishments were so high, not because of what happened but because of the cover up after the fact, its also why SMU got the death penalty in the 80s. You have to prove they knew and either covered it up or ignored it to get massive sanctions out of it, without that they wont get much, if any penalty and people will scream "the NCAA protects marquee programs!"
 
2012-09-10 09:17:54 PM  

steamingpile: babysealclubber: It shouldn't matter wherever coach k knew or not, given past rulings, if he was fronted that money by an outside party or agent or if he was gIven some sort of credit on potential income or earnings.

That does matter whether people like to admit it or not, especially in terms of sanctions, as well as past violations occurring. Its why the PSU punishments were so high, not because of what happened but because of the cover up after the fact, its also why SMU got the death penalty in the 80s. You have to prove they knew and either covered it up or ignored it to get massive sanctions out of it, without that they wont get much, if any penalty and people will scream "the NCAA protects marquee programs!"


Ask Calipari about his UMass deal with Marcus Camby on whether or not it matters or not if you know. Though I agree, knowing and lying is always worse than not knowing.
 
2012-09-11 11:45:10 AM  
And not even a "good" player. Why extend credit to a mid range player?

This one is going to hurt.
 
2012-09-11 12:44:55 PM  
As a UK fan, I know there are more than just a few Duke haters just salivating at the chance of seeing Duke get into trouble. On this one, I'll jump on Coach K's side. I'm pretty sure that if the player came to Coach K and said, "hey, just to let you know, I'm gonna drop 30 g's as a down payment on some bling", that K's response would be an emphatic "LIKE HELL YOU ARE!".

With that in mind, the NCAA has already set a precedent of punishing a program regardless of whether or not there was knowledge of the infraction (like the Memphis - Derrick Rose situation). If the NCAA has a shred of integrity then it will have to punish Duke in the same manner, although I certainly don't wish that on them. That's not K's fault and using any kind of lack of institutional control penalties just don't fit either. It's an unfortunate situation that some slimy agent got to a player behind Coach K's back and could now be the catalyst for a title forfeiture.
 
2012-09-11 01:14:31 PM  

radiovox: If the NCAA has a shred of integrity


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wipes eyes with hundred dollars bills mysteriously found in Cam Newton's dad's wallet
 
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