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2012-09-10 09:01:39 AM
I hate to say it, but if you're on an entertainment budget...maybe be SOBER at the game? 30ish bucks for an NFL game is pretty damn good. There's nothing stopping someone from not eating and drinking there.

...otherwise I'd tend to agree with the sentiment that blacking out a game, even if the tickets sales are a little flat is never the answer.
 
2012-09-10 09:12:15 AM
They did this in New Orleans when I was a kid (80s). The tickets were dirt cheap so we just went to the games with bags over our heads. I remember my dad asking me to decorate a paper bag and I thought everyone who went to football games were supposed to wear bags on their heads. Good times.

I also think for $30-$40 you can go to a live game.. I know where the stadium is and it's easy to get to. Not like it's in the middle of a thriving metropolis with no parking and crappy/packed public transportation *like Atlanta*
 
2012-09-10 09:18:00 AM

CanadianCommie: I hate to say it, but if you're on an entertainment budget...maybe be SOBER at the game? 30ish bucks for an NFL game is pretty damn good. There's nothing stopping someone from not eating and drinking there.

...otherwise I'd tend to agree with the sentiment that blacking out a game, even if the tickets sales are a little flat is never the answer.


No it's not. I grew up a Bucs fan (yes we exist, they've been around for awhile now) and I used to know everything about the team 10-15 years ago. I would always go to at least one game a year and even mourned the Old Sombrero. I could list a starting roster and probably give you arguments as to why certain backups might be needed versus certain opponents. The Dungy and Gruden years, you could barely get in that stadium.

I don't even know how to spell the current head coach's name. It begins with an S.

I wouldn't know, I haven't seen a Bucs game on TV but about 3 times in the past 3 years. Couldn't tell you much about the players either. I think the QB is Freeman? Something like that, who knows, I can't follow the team.

But I digress again. $30 is a lot of money, and that is just to get in the door. Then we have to deal with $10 beers (sure I usually used to sneak in minis but the TSA patdowns might have ended that), and PARKING. Bring a friend and you are easily dropping $100 at the barest, basic NFL minimum.

Or you could enjoy life with your friends with the Broncos on TV.
 
2012-09-10 09:26:08 AM

Confabulat: No it's not. I grew up a Bucs fan (yes we exist, they've been around for awhile now) and I used to know everything about the team 10-15 years ago. I would always go to at least one game a year and even mourned the Old Sombrero. I could list a starting roster and probably give you arguments as to why certain backups might be needed versus certain opponents. The Dungy and Gruden years, you could barely get in that stadium.

I don't even know how to spell the current head coach's name. It begins with an S.

I wouldn't know, I haven't seen a Bucs game on TV but about 3 times in the past 3 years. Couldn't tell you much about the players either. I think the QB is Freeman? Something like that, who knows, I can't follow the team.

But I digress again. $30 is a lot of money, and that is just to get in the door. Then we have to deal with $10 beers (sure I usually used to sneak in minis but the TSA patdowns might have ended that), and PARKING. Bring a friend and you are easily dropping $100 at the barest, basic NFL minimum.

Or you could enjoy life with your friends with the Broncos on TV.


Frankly some of those costs are completely optional. Parking? Sure, you probably need to pay something one way or the other, but food and booze? No sympathy from me on that if you insist on buying 8-10 dollar beers at a hockey game rather than drinking at home afterwards.
 
2012-09-10 09:36:21 AM

CanadianCommie: No sympathy from me on that if you insist on buying 8-10 dollar beers at a hockey game rather than drinking at home afterwards.


If you expect me to spend a football game sober, dear sir, we have nothing left to say to each other. Carry on with your life.
 
2012-09-10 09:52:10 AM

Confabulat: If you expect me to spend a football game sober, dear sir, we have nothing left to say to each other. Carry on with your life.


ha!

well, then no complaints about the cost then.
 
2012-09-10 10:21:37 AM

CanadianCommie: Confabulat: No it's not. I grew up a Bucs fan (yes we exist, they've been around for awhile now) and I used to know everything about the team 10-15 years ago. I would always go to at least one game a year and even mourned the Old Sombrero. I could list a starting roster and probably give you arguments as to why certain backups might be needed versus certain opponents. The Dungy and Gruden years, you could barely get in that stadium.

I don't even know how to spell the current head coach's name. It begins with an S.

I wouldn't know, I haven't seen a Bucs game on TV but about 3 times in the past 3 years. Couldn't tell you much about the players either. I think the QB is Freeman? Something like that, who knows, I can't follow the team.

But I digress again. $30 is a lot of money, and that is just to get in the door. Then we have to deal with $10 beers (sure I usually used to sneak in minis but the TSA patdowns might have ended that), and PARKING. Bring a friend and you are easily dropping $100 at the barest, basic NFL minimum.

Or you could enjoy life with your friends with the Broncos on TV.

Frankly some of those costs are completely optional. Parking? Sure, you probably need to pay something one way or the other, but food and booze? No sympathy from me on that if you insist on buying 8-10 dollar beers at a hockey game rather than drinking at home afterwards.


You apologizers sicken me. Yes you don't have to pay $10 for a beer or $8 for a farking hot dog. But when the base price at most stadiums is over $60 for a single damned game? fark the NFL - and fark their steroid-fueled "sport".
 
2012-09-10 10:57:06 AM
For a couple years a friend of mine was working in Tampa. He had season tickets to the Bucs just because they were waaaay cheaper than the Redskins. He had a blast at the games never froze his butt off, girls running around in bikinis and he got to see some football. He sent me pictures......BASTARD!!!
 
2012-09-10 11:00:51 AM

my lip balm addiction:
You apologizers sicken me. Yes you don't have to pay $10 for a beer or $8 for a farking hot dog. But when the base price at most stadiums is over $60 for a single damned game? fark the NFL - and fark their steroid-fueled "sport".


Yeah, well it's not at Raymond James. Stubhub has $22-$35 for a ticket depending on opponent. I bet you could get them for $15 from a scalper at game time.
 
2012-09-10 11:02:16 AM
There's nothing that says football has to be the most popular sport in America. That is not written in stone.

Though Roger Goodell seems to think it is.
 
2012-09-10 11:05:00 AM
What, they can't even get the game through satellite? Are you farking kidding?
 
2012-09-10 11:07:47 AM

CanadianCommie: Confabulat: No it's not. I grew up a Bucs fan (yes we exist, they've been around for awhile now) and I used to know everything about the team 10-15 years ago. I would always go to at least one game a year and even mourned the Old Sombrero. I could list a starting roster and probably give you arguments as to why certain backups might be needed versus certain opponents. The Dungy and Gruden years, you could barely get in that stadium.

I don't even know how to spell the current head coach's name. It begins with an S.

I wouldn't know, I haven't seen a Bucs game on TV but about 3 times in the past 3 years. Couldn't tell you much about the players either. I think the QB is Freeman? Something like that, who knows, I can't follow the team.

But I digress again. $30 is a lot of money, and that is just to get in the door. Then we have to deal with $10 beers (sure I usually used to sneak in minis but the TSA patdowns might have ended that), and PARKING. Bring a friend and you are easily dropping $100 at the barest, basic NFL minimum.

Or you could enjoy life with your friends with the Broncos on TV.

Frankly some of those costs are completely optional. Parking? Sure, you probably need to pay something one way or the other, but food and booze? No sympathy from me on that if you insist on buying 8-10 dollar beers at a hockey game rather than drinking at home afterwards.


Wow. Just...wow.
 
2012-09-10 11:08:44 AM
FTFA: "It also raised questions about what's needed to get fans into the seats after a pile of incentives by the Bucs, including free parking, half-priced concessions (excluding alcohol)..."
 
2012-09-10 11:08:47 AM
I mean.... is 'Back To Football' not just the most arrogant little slogan? 'Yeah, we know you've been putting up with baseball and basketball and some Olympic thingie which, really, how good could it be if we're not in it... but you know it's all been a placeholder until football came back. You know football's the only sport you REALLY want to watch. Well, we're back, now resume giving us money.'
 
2012-09-10 11:12:35 AM

RonwellQuincyDobbs: FTFA: "It also raised questions about what's needed to get fans into the seats after a pile of incentives by the Bucs, including free parking, half-priced concessions (excluding alcohol)..."


A good team would be a good start.
 
2012-09-10 11:14:32 AM
I love my bucs but we have some of the most apathetic fans on earth. Yesterday was Ronde Barber's 200th game, parking was free, concessions were half off, the game was at 4:15 to avoid the Florida heat and we still couldn't sell out our home opener.

The owners spent over a hundred million in FA and drafted aggressively to improve a team that the locals don't care about. It wouldn't Suprise me if the Jaguars aren't the first team traded out of Florida because collectively there is more Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Jets fans in Tampa than Bucs fans.

Even the worst teams have enough fans to go through bad times and support losing franchises with sellouts and home field advantage. Some of these teams have a third of the population the Tampa bay area has.

It's just the fanbase in general as we couldn't sellout our opener after a 10-6 season nor when the Rays are the verge of making the playoffs the ownership has to give away free tickets so the Trop isn't laughable empty. The only times it fills are when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town and it might as well be home games.

Tampa sports fans will literally offer every excuse to not support their local teams (hello bridge of doom) and then biatch why the game isn't on in their local bar or at home. They only have to look into a mirror to find out why.
 
2012-09-10 11:19:15 AM
Wait, there are people that don't just get hammered in the parking lot before the game and use the 3 hours during the game to let the buzz wear down so you can drive to the next party?
 
2012-09-10 11:21:24 AM

Boba Fettucini: I love my bucs but we have some of the most apathetic fans on earth. Yesterday was Ronde Barber's 200th game, parking was free, concessions were half off, the game was at 4:15 to avoid the Florida heat and we still couldn't sell out our home opener.

The owners spent over a hundred million in FA and drafted aggressively to improve a team that the locals don't care about. It wouldn't Suprise me if the Jaguars aren't the first team traded out of Florida because collectively there is more Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Jets fans in Tampa than Bucs fans.

Even the worst teams have enough fans to go through bad times and support losing franchises with sellouts and home field advantage. Some of these teams have a third of the population the Tampa bay area has.

It's just the fanbase in general as we couldn't sellout our opener after a 10-6 season nor when the Rays are the verge of making the playoffs the ownership has to give away free tickets so the Trop isn't laughable empty. The only times it fills are when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town and it might as well be home games.

Tampa sports fans will literally offer every excuse to not support their local teams (hello bridge of doom) and then biatch why the game isn't on in their local bar or at home. They only have to look into a mirror to find out why.


While I'm sure that's all true, it still doesn't excuse the NFL for the blackout practice. What about my Lions...should we have felt obligated to sell out Ford Field during an 0-16 season (among a long line of piss poor teams)?
 
2012-09-10 11:27:11 AM

LL316: While I'm sure that's all true, it still doesn't excuse the NFL for the blackout practice. What about my Lions...should we have felt obligated to sell out Ford Field during an 0-16 season (among a long line of piss poor teams)?


Of course, silly. The local economy may be so depressed that there are actual honest-to-goodness houses that cost less than the tickets, and it may be the worst team in NFL history, but that's no excuse to not FOOTBALL.
 
2012-09-10 11:31:01 AM

Boba Fettucini: I love my bucs but we have some of the most apathetic fans on earth. Yesterday was Ronde Barber's 200th game, parking was free, concessions were half off, the game was at 4:15 to avoid the Florida heat and we still couldn't sell out our home opener.

The owners spent over a hundred million in FA and drafted aggressively to improve a team that the locals don't care about. It wouldn't Suprise me if the Jaguars aren't the first team traded out of Florida because collectively there is more Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Jets fans in Tampa than Bucs fans.

Even the worst teams have enough fans to go through bad times and support losing franchises with sellouts and home field advantage. Some of these teams have a third of the population the Tampa bay area has.

It's just the fanbase in general as we couldn't sellout our opener after a 10-6 season nor when the Rays are the verge of making the playoffs the ownership has to give away free tickets so the Trop isn't laughable empty. The only times it fills are when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town and it might as well be home games.

Tampa sports fans will literally offer every excuse to not support their local teams (hello bridge of doom) and then biatch why the game isn't on in their local bar or at home. They only have to look into a mirror to find out why.


Oh that's crap. During the late Dungy / early Gruden years you couldn't have fought your way into that stadium. People like John Lynch, Mike Alstott, Derrick Brooks, Brad Culpepper, and yes Ronde Barber were local heroes and treated like stars. When you would go to the St. Pete Times website on Sunday it was all BUCS BUCS BUCS. It was huge. They were heroes to Tampa Bay.

Then the Glazers fired everyone, hired a bunch of no-names, pissed everyone off the way they treated Lynch and everyone else, and just quit caring about taking care of the team.

Tampa Bay followed their example.
 
2012-09-10 11:31:15 AM

LL316: Boba Fettucini: I love my bucs but we have some of the most apathetic fans on earth. Yesterday was Ronde Barber's 200th game, parking was free, concessions were half off, the game was at 4:15 to avoid the Florida heat and we still couldn't sell out our home opener.

The owners spent over a hundred million in FA and drafted aggressively to improve a team that the locals don't care about. It wouldn't Suprise me if the Jaguars aren't the first team traded out of Florida because collectively there is more Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Jets fans in Tampa than Bucs fans.

Even the worst teams have enough fans to go through bad times and support losing franchises with sellouts and home field advantage. Some of these teams have a third of the population the Tampa bay area has.

It's just the fanbase in general as we couldn't sellout our opener after a 10-6 season nor when the Rays are the verge of making the playoffs the ownership has to give away free tickets so the Trop isn't laughable empty. The only times it fills are when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town and it might as well be home games.

Tampa sports fans will literally offer every excuse to not support their local teams (hello bridge of doom) and then biatch why the game isn't on in their local bar or at home. They only have to look into a mirror to find out why.

While I'm sure that's all true, it still doesn't excuse the NFL for the blackout practice. What about my Lions...should we have felt obligated to sell out Ford Field during an 0-16 season (among a long line of piss poor teams)?


How about the following season after a 0-16 season the lions still soldout half of their home games including the home opener. This year the NFL had a new blackout policy where you only have to sell 85% of tickets which the Bucs immediately took advantage of yet we still can't get the team on television.
 
2012-09-10 11:34:02 AM

CanadianCommie: But I digress again. $30 is a lot of money, and that is just to get in the door. Then we have to deal with $10 beers (sure I usually used to sneak in minis but the TSA patdowns might have ended that), and PARKING. Bring a friend and you are easily dropping $100 at the barest, basic NFL minimum.

Or you could enjoy life with your friends with the Broncos on TV.

Frankly some of those costs are completely optional. Parking? Sure, you probably need to pay something one way or the other, but food and booze? No sympathy from me on that if you insist on buying 8-10 dollar beers at a hockey game rather than drinking at home afterwards.



Yeah, it's completely optional to sit outside, from noon to about four or five PM, with no purchased food or drink, watching a sport. You can certainly DO that, but that's also irrelevant, because not enough people are willing to. That's why they are blacking out games.
 
2012-09-10 11:37:40 AM

Boba Fettucini:

Tampa sports fans will literally offer every excuse to not support their local teams (hello bridge of doom) and then biatch why the game isn't on in their local bar or at home. They only have to look into a mirror to find out why.


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Went to my first NFL game in November of last year in Tampa. I can verify that all the bridges I crossed as I came in from Orlando weren't that bad...

Also $30 seats? I paid more than $50 for the last two CFL games I went to. Quit your whining people.
 
2012-09-10 11:38:09 AM
"Mike Chen, 25, of Tampa said the blackouts have him watching more Tampa Bay Rays' games.

"I don't even like baseball, but I can tell you more about the Rays than about the Bucs," he said.
"

cache.deadspin.com

Let that sink in for a moment.
 
2012-09-10 11:44:15 AM

LL316: RonwellQuincyDobbs: FTFA: "It also raised questions about what's needed to get fans into the seats after a pile of incentives by the Bucs, including free parking, half-priced concessions (excluding alcohol)..."

A good team would be a good start.


For sure, but you're going to need to give me some discounted drinks to go to a Bucs game, depending on who they're playing.
 
2012-09-10 12:01:18 PM
I can't remember the last time a Rams game was blacked out.

A friend of mine who lives here but is from Tampa (and still has family in Tampa, so he visits frequently) put it this way: I can go to a Bucs game for about $100 with another person, or, that same friend and I can have as good (or a better) time by spending $20 on beers, going to the beach, and getting hammered watching incredibly hot women walk by whilst I listen to the game on the radio. All of the other "crappy" teams have the luck of being in a city where there's not much else to do during football season.

/hyperbolic, but I get his point
 
2012-09-10 12:11:03 PM
Tampa has a bunch of bloody whiners, instead of sitting your ass in a sports bar drinking PBR's pony up some money and go see a game. Ever since the first few blackout games I've been driving from Lakeland to see the Bucs, 30 minute drive from I-4 to 275 and i'm there.

"I hate it," said Hakeem Davis, 27, of Tampa, who gathered with two work friends to catch the game, but instead had to settle for the Green Bay Packers and San Francisco 49ers.

Gotta love the Buc's bandwagon fans, bran new jersey's - all meeting up in the Bar's to watch the game, only thing is its BLACKED OUT. Its going to continue to be blacked out while everyone sits at home and watch instead of going to the game.

/Got my tickets for rest of season :)
 
2012-09-10 12:13:19 PM
From the article, "It also raised questions about what's needed to get fans into the seats after a pile of incentives by the Bucs, including free parking, half-priced concessions (excluding alcohol) and certain tickets discounted to $30 and $15 for kids, apparently could not do the trick."

Hookers ... and plenty of them.
 
2012-09-10 12:33:53 PM
Guys, guys. Wear knee socks under your pants. Stash a big, curved flask full of liquor in each. They never frisk below the knee. Each person buys a giant cola. Ask for extra ice in it. (I do soda water, personally. The sugar ruins the booze for me) Chug or dump out half, keeping the ice, find your seats, mix your drinks, and you're set for the entire game. Those drinks are huge!
 
2012-09-10 12:35:12 PM
Flatout drop the blackouts. They don't help.

Let fans see the team a little, leave the ticket prices low where they are, and hey, people'll show up.

Also winning helps.
 
2012-09-10 12:37:50 PM
So, let me get this straight:

We have a government-protected business that doesn't have to follow monopolistic or trust laws, that operate in a stadium funded by the public (a cost of around $200 million that was completely public money), being broadcast on public airwaves that are owned by the public... and the public doesn't get to see the farking game?

That aside, it's a stupid business move on the part of the NFL. Why do they think that people are going to get interested in going to a game when they can't pay attention to the team? I just don't get the point of the whole blackout rule.
 
2012-09-10 12:38:58 PM

RonwellQuincyDobbs: FTFA: "It also raised questions about what's needed to get fans into the seats after a pile of incentives by the Bucs, including free parking, half-priced concessions (excluding alcohol)..."


What they should do is keep the concessions and parking but auction off the tickets. Sell the season tickets as normal but have individual gameday tickets go for auction.
 
2012-09-10 12:53:40 PM

meanmutton: That aside, it's a stupid business move on the part of the NFL. Why do they think that people are going to get interested in going to a game when they can't pay attention to the team? I just don't get the point of the whole blackout rule.


If the majority of fans figure out how much better the TV viewing experience is than the in-stadium experience, nobody would ever go to games.
 
2012-09-10 12:55:30 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen.... your Los Angeles Buccanneers....."
 
2012-09-10 01:07:39 PM

CoonAce: Guys, guys. Wear knee socks under your pants. Stash a big, curved flask full of liquor in each. They never frisk below the knee. Each person buys a giant cola. Ask for extra ice in it. (I do soda water, personally. The sugar ruins the booze for me) Chug or dump out half, keeping the ice, find your seats, mix your drinks, and you're set for the entire game. Those drinks are huge!


This man speaks truth! I always end up hammered, cause as I drink from the massive cup, I keep refilling with rum or whiskey, whichever I took that day. So by halftime I am basically drinking rum flavored with ice that at one time sat in coke.

Of course, this is for College Football since there is no NFL team here, but I assume the differences would be negligible.
 
2012-09-10 01:12:25 PM

CoonAce: Guys, guys. Wear knee socks under your pants. Stash a big, curved flask full of liquor in each. They never frisk below the knee. Each person buys a giant cola. Ask for extra ice in it. (I do soda water, personally. The sugar ruins the booze for me) Chug or dump out half, keeping the ice, find your seats, mix your drinks, and you're set for the entire game. Those drinks are huge!


I've seen people thrown out of Soldier Field when they were caught mixing their drinks in their seats. Lots of people are Narc-ish assholes. Better to mix in a bathroom stall. That's what I always did (these days I luckily can afford the on-premises beverage options).
 
2012-09-10 01:14:21 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Ladies and Gentlemen.... your Los Angeles Buccanneers....."


Fark LA. I'd rather see a franchise just be contracted out of the league than for LA to get another chance to fark up.
 
2012-09-10 01:24:20 PM
It continually stuns me that when NFL teams negotiate with local governments for public funding to build or improve stadiums, that a rescinding of the blackout rule isn't built in. Every person in Tampa paid for that stadium and they can't watch the game. What the NFL gets away with is astounding.
 
2012-09-10 01:37:15 PM
Welcome to the Silverdome-era Lions fan experience.

i.imgur.com

80,000+ seats, sold out by Sunday, but not by the Thursday deadline. I do believe we went for quite a stretch without a televised home game, thanks to the idiotic blackout rules.

Ford Field is a more manageable 55,000 seats, easier to sell out by the deadline, at least (and it helps that the team is playing well, again).

The Silverdome, on the other hand, was massive, but lacked parking or nearby venues for fans to gather at. Though it was close to the highway, it was still a traffic nightmare on game day, too. Ford Field is next to Greek Town, making it convenient for fans for parking, celebrating, and you can even use the people mover to get there (at least fairly close).
 
2012-09-10 01:42:05 PM

Yanks_RSJ: meanmutton: That aside, it's a stupid business move on the part of the NFL. Why do they think that people are going to get interested in going to a game when they can't pay attention to the team? I just don't get the point of the whole blackout rule.

If the majority of fans figure out how much better the TV viewing experience is than the in-stadium experience, nobody would ever go to games.


I went to a preseason game here and it was a ton of fun. If I could afford to go (the seats we were in retailed for $100 each but we got them on Stubhub for $15 because it was the preseason), I'd go to every home game I could.
 
2012-09-10 01:42:11 PM

Confabulat: Oh that's crap. During the late Dungy / early Gruden years you couldn't have fought your way into that stadium. People like John Lynch, Mike Alstott, Derrick Brooks, Brad Culpepper, and yes Ronde Barber were local heroes and treated like stars. When you would go to the St. Pete Times website on Sunday it was all BUCS BUCS BUCS. It was huge. They were heroes to Tampa Bay.


That's true but, in general, I've found sports fans from Florida to be the most fickle in the country. They'll blame the economy (Bucs tickets can be had for as little as $25 on StubHub). They'll blame the ownership (people love to slam the Glazers but the Rays ownership is superb and they're still dead last in attendance). They'll blame bridges (I drove between Clearwater and Tampa every day for years and never complained). They'll blame the stadium (in the first year in their new stadium the Marlins are still only 18th in attendance). They'll blame lack of winning (the Rays are consistent winners and people still don't go to the games). They'll blame the heat (there were empty seats at the Gators' home opener that one sports writer blamed on the heat... there must have been a climate shift after Meyer and Tebow left).
 
2012-09-10 01:47:36 PM

meanmutton: I went to a preseason game here and it was a ton of fun. If I could afford to go (the seats we were in retailed for $100 each but we got them on Stubhub for $15 because it was the preseason), I'd go to every home game I could.


Yeah, I meant to suggest on a cost-benefit basis. Going to a Giants game, for instance, is a major financial commitment that for me also requires aggravating travel arrangements and a two-hour line for the bus getting back to NYC afterwards. I'd rather spend $50-75 in a bar every Sunday which allows me to watch ALL the games instead of $200 to sit a mile from the field.
 
2012-09-10 02:12:21 PM
I wonder if the fans will come back if they black out the games. I bet someone could be elected Mayor if he or she ran on the no more NFL blackouts in Tampa platform.
 
2012-09-10 02:35:07 PM
You ever watch the NFL live? Dam game is as boring as baseball. Seriously, 3/4 of the game is a bunch of guys standing around playing grab ass, and the other 1/4 of the three hour ordeal is them smashing into one another.

Sure it seems exciting on TV, but then they don't have to sit around and wait for the players to line up, huddle up, or the officials to finally make a decision. They can cut to cheer leaders, commercials, replays, or talking heads. TV makes this game interesting, watching it real time makes me want to give myself brain damage so I can enjoy it.
 
2012-09-10 02:58:25 PM

Boba Fettucini: The owners spent over a hundred million in FA and drafted aggressively to improve a team that the locals don't care about. It wouldn't Suprise me if the Jaguars aren't the first team traded out of Florida because collectively there is more Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Jets fans in Tampa than Bucs fans.


The strange thing is that when I moved down here in 2001, Tampa was absolutely Buccaneer crazy.
The stadium had an incredible atmosphere and the fans were always really into it.

Then Gruden was fired, and the fans just slowly lost interest again.

It's a shame, because with about 2.5 million people in the metro area, Tampa Bay is not the small market that the rest of the country seems to think it is.
 
2012-09-10 03:29:11 PM

fatalvenom: "Mike Chen, 25, of Tampa said the blackouts have him watching more Tampa Bay Rays' games.

"I don't even like baseball, but I can tell you more about the Rays than about the Bucs," he said."

[cache.deadspin.com image 700x525]

Let that sink in for a moment.


My parents live in Tampa, and they told me there are busses that come by to round up old people like them and drag them to Rays games so that at least someone is there.
If that's true, I can see why the stadium might be empty. I flew from Hartford to Tampa a few months ago, and everyone on the plane was around 75 years old, coming back from Foxwoods or something. Being stuck on a plane with infants is nothing compared to being stuck on a plane with leaky diapered old people.
 
2012-09-10 03:35:12 PM
I propose a $2 beer day to get people in the seats (with quantity limits to keep it from getting too rowdy). It just might work.
 
2012-09-10 03:39:27 PM
If you want to see how well blackouts work, take a look at the Chicago Blackhawks under owner "Dollar" Bill Wirtz.

In his infinite wisdom he blacked out ALL home games. Sell out or not.

It got to the point where most people in Chicago just did not give a damn about that team at all.
Attendance was so bad that the Chicago Wolves, a minor league hockey team, were outdrawing them.

Then he died. The blackout garbage ended, the Blackhawks won a Stanley Cup, and attendance is booming again.
 
2012-09-10 03:40:43 PM

rumpelstiltskin: fatalvenom: "Mike Chen, 25, of Tampa said the blackouts have him watching more Tampa Bay Rays' games.

"I don't even like baseball, but I can tell you more about the Rays than about the Bucs," he said."

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Let that sink in for a moment.

My parents live in Tampa, and they told me there are busses that come by to round up old people like them and drag them to Rays games so that at least someone is there.
If that's true, I can see why the stadium might be empty. I flew from Hartford to Tampa a few months ago, and everyone on the plane was around 75 years old, coming back from Foxwoods or something. Being stuck on a plane with infants is nothing compared to being stuck on a plane with leaky diapered old people.


Ah, the "miracle" flights, where a dozen elderly people get on the plane first in wheelchairs and then only chairs are needed at the exit. Seriously fark those people.
 
2012-09-10 03:41:40 PM

Droog8912:
Ah, the "miracle" flights, where a dozen elderly people get on the plane first in wheelchairs and then only a couple chairs are needed at the exit. Seriously, fark those people.


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