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2012-09-10 11:37:38 AM  
4 votes:
This actually seems like a legit patent that HTC is holding. If they went out and spent the time/money to develop a data transmission method for LTE, they actually do deserve compensation.

As opposed to patenting round corners on rectangles.
2012-09-10 11:23:13 AM  
4 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


THIS IS WHAT APPLE FANBOIS REALLY BELIEVE.
2012-09-10 07:23:36 PM  
2 votes:

soopey: What we're seeing here is the Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine in full force


Actually, that's what patents used to be like. Most of the big companies used patents defensively. Infringe on some minor IBM patent, they'll probably ignore you. Try to fark around with them (like SCO did) and they will clusterbomb you with patents.

Apple are just litigating out of rage. They're pissed as hell that Android took a look at the iPhone and realised that touch phones could be done well (never mind all the ideas that other people had that Apple just took from all over the place). And they're extra pissed that they can't stop that, so what they do instead is try to find pissy little patents they can throw at it instead. Ultimately, it's futile. They're not going to stop the Android juggernaut. A few costs here and there, a few tweaks to remove infringement. Meantime, Apple's market share is slowly slipping away.
2012-09-10 06:11:19 PM  
2 votes:

imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.


Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.
2012-09-10 05:18:46 PM  
2 votes:
Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Wife:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.
3.) Fail.
4.) Google to transfer pictures from camera to iphone.
5.) Launch Itunes.
6.) Plug in iphone to PC.
7.) Address itunes concerns that this phone is not what it seems and restore a 2 month old configuration it had stored.
8.) Wait 45 minutes as phone syncs all data.
9.) Notice text messages and contacts from last two months are gone.
10.) Oh well, back to the task at hand.
10.) Copy digital camera pictures to PC.
11.) Add new directory to Itunes.
12.) Sync.
13.) Wait 45 minutes for resync.
14.) Look at pictures from phone.
15.) Notice pictures from camera now on phone but pictures originally on iphone are now missing.
16.) Oh well, nothing in life last forever...not even pictures.
17.) Itunes now pops up every 15 minutes to say whats up to iphone.
18.) Google how to keep itunes from popping up every 15 minutes.
19.) Fail.
20.) Give up.
21.) Try to play favorite song on iphone by Goyte to relieve stress.
22.) I'm too sexy by RSF plays instead.
23.) Wife finally ask me to fix her phone.
24.) Still trying to fix her phone 1 week later.
2012-09-10 01:12:58 PM  
2 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.


Nope.

Once a major piece of open source software goes past a closed source one, it's very hard for the closed source one to defeat it. You have an army of developers out there who can adapt it to different needs.

What's really going to hurt Apple is that people are reaching the point where they're happy with the level of phone technology. Very few people are going to throw out a phone with an 8mp camera to get a 12mp camera. And that means that the battle is not going to be about features, but about price.
2012-09-10 12:01:46 PM  
2 votes:

Walker: I'll actually piss my pants with happiness if the latest iPad and iPhone are banned from the US.


I agree 100%.

F*ck Apple in their stupid asses. They're the Microsoft of the 90's now. Microsoft became too evil, Apple swooped in and took the throne. Now Microsoft has found a comfortable home and is nice again. Meanwhile Apple has become too evil, and it'll be Google swooping in for the win. Android already outsells iOS devices by a landslide.

Not sure who it'll be when Google becomes too evil. Despite the "don't be evil", it'll happen. You get too big, too many interests, etc.
2012-09-10 11:50:10 AM  
2 votes:

Masso: styckx: Meh.. Every single one of them sues the shiat out of each other.. MS sues others just as much as Apple does.. None of these farkers are innocent.. I don't like Apple as much as the next guy but they're just another pea in the pod as far as retarded lolsuits go. Just so happens they get all the media attention for it.

Microsoft don't sue people over rounded rectangle and OS with grids.


You're right, they just sue for how webpages display and how devices show a downloads status like when they sued Barnes and Noble over the Nook
2012-09-10 11:45:11 AM  
2 votes:

styckx: Meh.. Every single one of them sues the shiat out of each other.. MS sues others just as much as Apple does.. None of these farkers are innocent.. I don't like Apple as much as the next guy but they're just another pea in the pod as far as retarded lolsuits go. Just so happens they get all the media attention for it.


Microsoft don't sue people over rounded rectangle and OS with grids.
2012-09-10 11:33:32 AM  
2 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


Poe's Law rating: 5/10

You had a strong start but "fandroids" just pushed it over the edge.
2012-09-10 09:05:23 AM  
2 votes:
I'll actually piss my pants with happiness if the latest iPad and iPhone are banned from the US.
2012-09-10 08:25:32 AM  
2 votes:
fark everyone involved. All they are doing is making it near damn impossible for future competitors to bring products to market.
2012-09-10 11:26:35 PM  
1 votes:

GameSprocket: bingethinker: Neither Apple nor HTC is patent-trolling here. Put down the Kool-Aid and learn some facts. Shame on Subby for submitting this, and especially shame on whoever gave this a greenlight. Assuming you're two different people.

It really is amazing that seemingly otherwise intelligent people don't seem to know what a "patent troll" is and don't seem to understand that you don't need to come up with an entirely new concept in order to avoid patents.

The haters will react with venom if Apple releases any technology that relies on zeros and ones for data transmission.


It's pretty obvious that the common use of "Patent Troll" stopped meaning NPE a while ago and now pretty much means anyone who uses the patent system in a highly public manner to thwart competition, especially if the specific patents in question are something the public has come to accept as ubiquitous. For what it's worth, you're right. However, that's not going to stop the definition from morphing and leaving you shaking your fist going, "but that's not what it means!"

/Language changes
//Welcome to the Internet.
2012-09-10 10:48:11 PM  
1 votes:

GameSprocket: bingethinker: Neither Apple nor HTC is patent-trolling here. Put down the Kool-Aid and learn some facts. Shame on Subby for submitting this, and especially shame on whoever gave this a greenlight. Assuming you're two different people.

It really is amazing that seemingly otherwise intelligent people don't seem to know what a "patent troll" is and don't seem to understand that you don't need to come up with an entirely new concept in order to avoid patents.

The haters will react with venom if Apple releases any technology that relies on zeros and ones for data transmission.


Seems fair, since Apple react that way if someone else dares make something rectangular with rounded edges....
2012-09-10 06:22:03 PM  
1 votes:

fang06554: Flint Ironstag: HTC give a two year manufacturers guarantee, at least they do here in the UK.

That got my hopes up, but in the US apparently it is only 12 months. The messed up part is it is a known issue of the actual on board memory going bad, but is usually goes bad pretty early in the life cycle of the phone.


Sorry man. I had a problem with my Desire overheating at about 18 months. I'd fitted a bigger battery and used a gel case that kept the heat in so I don't know it it was the phone of me that caused the problem, but they fitted a new mobo and that was it. Maybe the 24 month guarantee is a EU thing?
2012-09-10 06:16:00 PM  
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.


EyeFi - The camera saved the pictures to the phone as I took them.
2012-09-10 05:55:35 PM  
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: HTC give a two year manufacturers guarantee, at least they do here in the UK.


That got my hopes up, but in the US apparently it is only 12 months. The messed up part is it is a known issue of the actual on board memory going bad, but is usually goes bad pretty early in the life cycle of the phone.
2012-09-10 05:25:05 PM  
1 votes:

imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Wife:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.
3.) Fail.
4.) Google to transfer pictures from camera to iphone.
5.) Launch Itunes.
6.) Plug in iphone to PC.
7.) Address itunes concerns that this phone is not what it seems and restore a 2 month old configuration it had stored.
8.) Wait 45 minutes as phone syncs all data.
9.) Notice text messages and contacts from last two months are gone.
10.) Oh well, back to the task at hand.
10.) Copy digital camera pictures to PC.
11.) Add new directory to Itunes.
12.) Sync.
13.) Wait 45 minutes for resync.
14.) Look at pictures from phone.
15.) Notice pictures from camera now on phone but pictures originally on iphone are now missing.
16.) Oh well, nothing in life last forever...not even pictures.
17.) Itunes now pops up every 15 minutes to say whats up to iphone.
18.) Google how to keep itunes from popping up every 15 minutes.
19.) Fail.
20.) Give up.
21.) Try to play favorite song on iphone by Goyte to relieve stress.
22.) I'm too sexy by RSF plays instead.
23.) Wife finally ask me to fix her phone.
24.) Still trying to fix her phone 1 week later.




How to make a song on your phone the ringtone for the phone.

iPhone: Five minute video explaining how to do it without paying Apple again for music you already own. (Sorry, "Licence")

HTC:
1. Click on song in song list.
2. Click "Set As Ringtone"
3. Er...
4. That's it.
2012-09-10 04:48:02 PM  
1 votes:

mccallcl: Masso: Yeah, fark this shiat, Apple. You pulled a fast one over the entire industry

Yeah, a fast one by spending 30 years building a brand through excellence that allowed them to acquire the kind of talent necessary to conceive of and execute the phone that changed personal communication forever. All while operating primarily out of outrageously expensive southern California, in the good old US of A.

If that's a "fast one", I'd hate to see what you think hard work and determination looks like. Apple isn't winning because they cheat. They're winning because they make the best products in the world. The cheating is just an extra kick in the teeth to their competition.


Apple copy someone else? Unpossible!!

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2012-09-10 03:10:07 PM  
1 votes:
So... every major electronics company is suing every other major electronics company for patent infringement.

So, either
1) All major electronics companies are stealing ideas left and right
2) All major electronics companies are attacking each other with BS patent lawsuits without a leg to stand on
3) Some combination of 1 and 2

My guess is it's a combination of 1 and 2, with a bit more 2 than 1.
But of course, either way, the only winners are the lawyers.
2012-09-10 02:48:46 PM  
1 votes:

cman: Jesus one can hope.

I farking love Apple, but fark them for the BS they are pulling


How can you support them after the BS they are pulling?
2012-09-10 02:19:08 PM  
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: I still don't get how Apple is going after Samsung and HTC for UI features. That's like Apple going after Dell for a feature of Windows.

Unless all the complaints are against the handset manufacturer specific UIs like Sense and TouchWiz, I guess.


Pretty much and it's also specific versions of those custom UI's as well. Which may not be the current ones people are most familiar with.

I'm not saying it's not them going after Android as a whole just this isn't currently about the stock Android UI for the most part.
2012-09-10 02:15:03 PM  
1 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


Face it, Apple fan-boy, its in the consumer's best interest for there to be viable competition. You honestly want Apple to be the only show in town? Their stuff is over-priced, as it is. Imagine what they'll do if you're forced to buy them
2012-09-10 02:01:56 PM  
1 votes:
Hey, if samsung phones get b& then apples should too.

Karma man
2012-09-10 01:35:43 PM  
1 votes:

NickelP: fark everyone involved. All they are doing is making it near damn impossible for future competitors to bring products to market.


Don't fark everyone, just the good for nothing piece if shart instigator you know as apple, the same company that has never made anything even relatively noteworthy in it's life time.


//flame on
2012-09-10 01:17:11 PM  
1 votes:
On a similar but separate note - I have the Samsung S3 now, and replaced a Thunderbolt. I really liked the Thunderbolt, but you had to have an extended battery in order to get use out of it and not have it die halfway through the day.

With the Samsung, I spend a day at work, watch a couple hours of Netflix over 4G, listen to music, etc. Still at 40% at the end of the day.

Also, last two android phones were HTC, and both had hardware failures after the 1 year mark, but before the 2 year upgrade mark.

/I have insurance now.
2012-09-10 12:46:54 PM  
1 votes:

digistil: How to spot a nub: They refer to companies defending patents, directly related to goods they sell, as "Patent trolls."


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I don't see what that has to do with anything.
2012-09-10 12:40:01 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: TyrantII: The original point of patent law was to protect innovation, not protect profit.

Not at all. The original point of patent law was to encourage innovation by requiring public disclosure of new ideas, in exchange for protecting profit. It's all about getting rid of trade secrets.

That patent law is now stifling innovation

What evidence do you see that innovation is "stifled"?

in the name of profit in a new era where patents are procured for the akin to intellectual property, isn't a good thing.

Procured for... the asking? I'm not sure what you were trying to say here.


Oh look, It's the Patent lawyer, come to tell us why 999 engineer hours were saved by the slide to unlock patent.

Incidentally, I've always wondered. If the cost of a lawsuit or settlement is greater than those 999 man hours, can I tell you you're wrong, and your whole profession is a parasite on those of us who actually create tech?
2012-09-10 12:36:10 PM  
1 votes:
What we're seeing here is the Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine in full force. Not with physical destruction between nations with nuclear armaments, but economic ones , and I quote, "because the other guys are a bunch of assholes and we don't want our customers to buy their shiat because the other guy may have ripped off our patent over making a silly sliding thingy that does something on a wireless cellular device."

FFS, even the microprocessor industry scaled this shiat back because they found it counter-productive. Remember when D.E.C, Cyrix, and others went after Intel in the mid 90s? Yeah. You make your shiat, I'll make mine, and we'll let the customers sort it out.
2012-09-10 12:27:33 PM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: This actually seems like a legit patent that HTC is holding. If they went out and spent the time/money to develop a data transmission method for LTE, they actually do deserve compensation.

As opposed to patenting round corners on rectangles.


HTC bought these, from ADC. But ADC spent the time/money to develop them, so yes.

And no one tried to patent round corners on rectangles. You're just being silly.
2012-09-10 12:17:57 PM  
1 votes:

Lor M. Ipsum: KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down.

This is easily arguable, especially in regard to hardware. How many iPhones/iPads were released in the last year? How many Android devices were released in the last year? The hardware of the iPad 3 has been eclipsed by two-fold already (retina display is admittedly still better, but I am more concerned with performance).

The open-source distribution of Android makes it far too easy to outshine Apple hardware.


Exactly

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/Nexus S
/my cold dead hands
2012-09-10 12:14:54 PM  
1 votes:

tortilla burger: This is dumb. This is not how patents were meant to be used


I agree with this. However, I'm not going to cry too much for Apple when they get a taste of their own stinking medicine. Go HTC!

/just bought a One S
2012-09-10 12:02:19 PM  
1 votes:
Tr0mBoNe: All patents should expire after 1 year. Trademarks should be permanent. You survive by innovating your brand and constantly creating.

Patents on IP should.

If you physically build a device that does something you should be able to patent that machine. If you take a bunch of OEM parts and slap something together and claim you patented swipe to unlock, fark you.

I'm actually ok with Apples suit against Samsung for blatantly ripping off their form factor. Samsung can easily change several small things in their design, or even innovate, and achieve the same rip off that isn't infringing.

Swipe to unlock is code driven. You could code 1000's different ways to do it. Apples code should be copyrighted, but the idea of slide to unlock should not.

Hell, the physical slide lock version has been around forever (been used on some laptops for a while), so a suit like that should be dismissed on prior art/use anyways.
2012-09-10 11:46:25 AM  
1 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


This is you:

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2012-09-10 11:41:26 AM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: This actually seems like a legit patent that HTC is holding. If they went out and spent the time/money to develop a data transmission method for LTE, they actually do deserve compensation.

As opposed to patenting round corners on rectangles.


Or you could RTFA.

Patent Purchase

In this case, though, HTC acquired the patents at issue in April 2011, around the same time it began selling its first LTE phone, the Thunderbolt. The patents are part of a portfolio HTC bought for $75 million from ADC Telecommunications Inc.
2012-09-10 11:36:37 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah, fark this shiat, Apple. You pulled a fast one over the entire industry, I know this will end up with out-of-court settlement, but I do so wish HTC biatchslap you hard with no settlement.
2012-09-10 11:32:31 AM  
1 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


I love my Galaxy 3s and hate my Ipod, so that makes me a fanboy?
2012-09-10 11:31:58 AM  
1 votes:
with any luck all of the smart phone sellers will get each other banned from sale in the US because of these stupid patent suites and then some one will have to fix the mess that is US patent law if they ever want a new phone.
2012-09-10 11:30:02 AM  
1 votes:

NickelP: fark everyone involved. All they are doing is making it near damn impossible for future competitors to bring products to market.


The patent system in the US is FUBAR. It needs a major overhaul, but with so much else that needs to be fixed, I don't think it'll get any attention until somewhere around 2525.

/If man is still alive
2012-09-10 11:28:44 AM  
1 votes:

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


Also, Macs are going to gain majority market share.
2012-09-10 11:22:46 AM  
1 votes:

NickelP: fark everyone involved. All they are doing is making it near damn impossible for future competitors to bring products to market.


Sure competitors can come to the market, they just have to pay the rectangular screen tax. And the using a touchscreen to unlock a device tax. And the clicking a button to have something happen tax. And...
2012-09-10 11:20:12 AM  
1 votes:
I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.
2012-09-10 10:57:02 AM  
1 votes:

Walker: I'll actually piss my pants with happiness if the latest iPad and iPhone are banned from the US.


It would be funny, though.
 
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