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2012-09-10 01:42:46 PM  

Vaneshi: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dear lord make the patent bullsh*t stop...

There is, perhaps an upside. It Apple appears to be losing or indeed does lose these patent cases (which I agree is bullshiat and the legislation never designed for this sort of thing) they most certainly have the money to lobby for new legislation to be drafted...

I'm not saying that legislation would be good mind you, but at least it'd be a starting point for getting the various laws and treaties in order for the 'digital age'.


Not sure why they would. This case from HTC is in response to an earlier attack from Apple. Apple's argument to the ITC is that HTC just bought the patents to defend itself. The ITC said that it doesn't matter, since the patents are still valid.
 
2012-09-10 01:44:50 PM  
That patent law is now stifling innovation

What evidence do you see that innovation is "stifled"?


The fact that provisional patents last only 1 year means that only corporations with research departments can get anything to patent status and get all the paperwork filled out for the regular patent. The backyard inventor who may take 2 or 3 years developing something is locked out. In fact, if a company sees what he's working on and can develop it faster, they can sue him for using his own invention. I've had a couple ideas that could be mildly useful, but don't have the time or money to develop them quickly, so I can't develop them at all.
 
2012-09-10 01:45:36 PM  
I still don't get how Apple is going after Samsung and HTC for UI features. That's like Apple going after Dell for a feature of Windows.

Unless all the complaints are against the handset manufacturer specific UIs like Sense and TouchWiz, I guess.
 
2012-09-10 01:56:19 PM  

farkeruk:

What's really going to hurt Apple is that people are reaching the point where they're happy with the level of phone technology. Very few people are going to throw out a phone with an 8mp camera to get a 12mp camera. And that means that the battle is not going to be about features, but about price.


There are still some features to be exploited. E.G. Siri/Google Voice/etc. have a loooong ways to go before being viable. Also, improved cameras do help. Most cell phone cameras still suck at photographing moving objects. Or, for example, the S3 has a 20-shot burst mode which is actually pretty sweet. So, there's still some things they can do. But yes, you're right, for many people these things are already commoditized.
 
2012-09-10 01:58:19 PM  

Kyro: [i.imgur.com image 143x146]


Can someone make that image into one of those hasselholf self-repeating (whatever you call them) animated gifs?
 
2012-09-10 02:01:56 PM  
Hey, if samsung phones get b& then apples should too.

Karma man
 
2012-09-10 02:09:52 PM  

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


Holy crap, LOL
 
2012-09-10 02:15:03 PM  

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


Face it, Apple fan-boy, its in the consumer's best interest for there to be viable competition. You honestly want Apple to be the only show in town? Their stuff is over-priced, as it is. Imagine what they'll do if you're forced to buy them
 
2012-09-10 02:19:08 PM  

ProfessorOhki: I still don't get how Apple is going after Samsung and HTC for UI features. That's like Apple going after Dell for a feature of Windows.

Unless all the complaints are against the handset manufacturer specific UIs like Sense and TouchWiz, I guess.


Pretty much and it's also specific versions of those custom UI's as well. Which may not be the current ones people are most familiar with.

I'm not saying it's not them going after Android as a whole just this isn't currently about the stock Android UI for the most part.
 
2012-09-10 02:30:47 PM  

fang06554: Vaneshi: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dear lord make the patent bullsh*t stop...

There is, perhaps an upside. It Apple appears to be losing or indeed does lose these patent cases (which I agree is bullshiat and the legislation never designed for this sort of thing) they most certainly have the money to lobby for new legislation to be drafted...

I'm not saying that legislation would be good mind you, but at least it'd be a starting point for getting the various laws and treaties in order for the 'digital age'.

Not sure why they would. This case from HTC is in response to an earlier attack from Apple. Apple's argument to the ITC is that HTC just bought the patents to defend itself. The ITC said that it doesn't matter, since the patents are still valid.


Well, yeah. That's a terrible argument, honestly.

I think the bigger question is why these aren't subject to FRAND, if they truly cover essential parts of the LTE standard.
 
2012-09-10 02:33:22 PM  

NotARocketScientist: That patent law is now stifling innovation

What evidence do you see that innovation is "stifled"?

The fact that provisional patents last only 1 year means that only corporations with research departments can get anything to patent status and get all the paperwork filled out for the regular patent.


With all due respect, this is entirely incorrect. Provisional patent applications last only 1 year, but they're not patents. They aren't even examined. They just get a filing date for the follow-up nonprovisional application. And actually, most of my small clients, including individual inventors, file provisional applications, because it's a great way to defer costs. Big corporations are less likely to do so, because they have the capital on hand for drafting a full application.
 
2012-09-10 02:39:43 PM  

NotARocketScientist: That patent law is now stifling innovation

What evidence do you see that innovation is "stifled"?

The fact that provisional patents last only 1 year means that only corporations with research departments can get anything to patent status and get all the paperwork filled out for the regular patent. The backyard inventor who may take 2 or 3 years developing something is locked out. In fact, if a company sees what he's working on and can develop it faster, they can sue him for using his own invention. I've had a couple ideas that could be mildly useful, but don't have the time or money to develop them quickly, so I can't develop them at all.


Ah... just figured out what you're trying to say. You think small inventors are locked out because the process is:
1. File provisional application.
2. Do more development.
3. After development, and within one year, file nonprovisional application.
And so, since the small inventor takes 2-3 years to full develop his or her idea, they can't ever file a full application.

That's not really how the process works. As I said above, the provisional application gets you a filing date for your later nonprovisional application, but only if it fully discloses the invention. If you have 2-3 years still developing the invention, then you (a) couldn't have already filed an application on an invention you didn't have, and (b) can file an application after the invention is developed.
More importantly, there's nothing stopping you from filing your provisional application, filing a nonprovisional application, and continuing development (and potentially filing additional applications later, such as on any solutions you've come up with during development).

Respectfully, it's not the law that's preventing you from developing your ideas, it's you.
 
2012-09-10 02:48:46 PM  

cman: Jesus one can hope.

I farking love Apple, but fark them for the BS they are pulling


How can you support them after the BS they are pulling?
 
2012-09-10 02:52:43 PM  

urban.derelict: NickelP: fark everyone involved. All they are doing is making it near damn impossible for future competitors to bring products to market.

Is that like buying up VirtualPC and modifying it so i can run Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000 or Windows ME, while disallowing installation of Linux, Ubuntu, etc?

[mos.futurenet.com image 250x280]


Um, Windows uses a boot system that explicitly allows for dual-boot, and it's directly supported my Microsoft (though, obviously, whatever you install as the other OS isn't). They don't give a fark whether you run another OS concurrent on the machine as long as you've also got Windows up.

I would venture that Windows virtual is more a matter of not wanting to deal with support complaints related to people trying to run virtual Linux and setting it up poorly than real animosity to the OS. Especially since Linux at the time was about as user-friendly as a splintery bit of wood shoved up your nostril with a rusty wire brush.

//My first paragraph refers to Wubi, which I've used to dual-boot for quite a while now. Though I don't use the Linux boot that much now that Win 7 is out and runs just as low-bloat.
 
2012-09-10 02:57:26 PM  

Vaneshi: ProfessorOhki: I still don't get how Apple is going after Samsung and HTC for UI features. That's like Apple going after Dell for a feature of Windows.

Unless all the complaints are against the handset manufacturer specific UIs like Sense and TouchWiz, I guess.

Pretty much and it's also specific versions of those custom UI's as well. Which may not be the current ones people are most familiar with.

I'm not saying it's not them going after Android as a whole just this isn't currently about the stock Android UI for the most part.


Divide and conquer, I assume then. If they went after Android proper, they'd have Google, HTC, Samsung, LG, Sony, Acer, Asus, Archos, and maybe even Amazon pooling defensive resources. I don't care how good Apple's legal department is, I don't think that's a fight you'd want to pick.
 
2012-09-10 03:05:44 PM  

Masso: Yeah, fark this shiat, Apple. You pulled a fast one over the entire industry


Yeah, a fast one by spending 30 years building a brand through excellence that allowed them to acquire the kind of talent necessary to conceive of and execute the phone that changed personal communication forever. All while operating primarily out of outrageously expensive southern California, in the good old US of A.

If that's a "fast one", I'd hate to see what you think hard work and determination looks like. Apple isn't winning because they cheat. They're winning because they make the best products in the world. The cheating is just an extra kick in the teeth to their competition.
 
2012-09-10 03:09:14 PM  

Theaetetus: fang06554: Vaneshi: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dear lord make the patent bullsh*t stop...

There is, perhaps an upside. It Apple appears to be losing or indeed does lose these patent cases (which I agree is bullshiat and the legislation never designed for this sort of thing) they most certainly have the money to lobby for new legislation to be drafted...

I'm not saying that legislation would be good mind you, but at least it'd be a starting point for getting the various laws and treaties in order for the 'digital age'.

Not sure why they would. This case from HTC is in response to an earlier attack from Apple. Apple's argument to the ITC is that HTC just bought the patents to defend itself. The ITC said that it doesn't matter, since the patents are still valid.

Well, yeah. That's a terrible argument, honestly.

I think the bigger question is why these aren't subject to FRAND, if they truly cover essential parts of the LTE standard.


How does a patent become a FRAND patent, is it something the inventing company does or is there a third party that selects them and makes the decision?
 
2012-09-10 03:10:07 PM  
So... every major electronics company is suing every other major electronics company for patent infringement.

So, either
1) All major electronics companies are stealing ideas left and right
2) All major electronics companies are attacking each other with BS patent lawsuits without a leg to stand on
3) Some combination of 1 and 2

My guess is it's a combination of 1 and 2, with a bit more 2 than 1.
But of course, either way, the only winners are the lawyers.
 
2012-09-10 03:41:30 PM  

mccallcl: Yeah, a fast one by spending 30 years building a brand through excellence that allowed them to acquire the kind of talent necessary to conceive of and execute the phone that changed personal communication forever.


More like "15 years", or did you forget the part where they were in the toilet and Bill Gates saved them?
 
2012-09-10 03:43:20 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: mccallcl: Yeah, a fast one by spending 30 years building a brand through excellence that allowed them to acquire the kind of talent necessary to conceive of and execute the phone that changed personal communication forever.

More like "15 years", or did you forget the part where they were in the toilet and Bill Gates saved them?


Also, regarding "changed personal communication forever", that claim more rightfully belongs to Blackberry. Apple just marketed well. They've never innovated.
 
2012-09-10 04:06:34 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Also, regarding "changed personal communication forever", that claim more rightfully belongs to Blackberry. Apple just marketed well. They've never innovated.


I dunno, I think they have innovated in a way. Apple's basic business model is that they take other people's tech, redesign it for ease of use, and put it in a sexy package. In design, they're an innovator. Not so much in technology.
 
2012-09-10 04:08:43 PM  

XMark: My guess is it's a combination of 1 and 2, with a bit more 2 than 1.


I'd probably say more 1 than 2, myself. Innovation in tech occurs at lightning speed; the 15 years a patent covers might as well be eternity. It's pretty much impossible to come up with anything new without stepping on somebody's toes.

/and that's part of why software patents suck
 
2012-09-10 04:11:24 PM  

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


It's cute that you think that.
 
2012-09-10 04:11:47 PM  

change1211: Theaetetus: fang06554: Vaneshi: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dear lord make the patent bullsh*t stop...

There is, perhaps an upside. It Apple appears to be losing or indeed does lose these patent cases (which I agree is bullshiat and the legislation never designed for this sort of thing) they most certainly have the money to lobby for new legislation to be drafted...

I'm not saying that legislation would be good mind you, but at least it'd be a starting point for getting the various laws and treaties in order for the 'digital age'.

Not sure why they would. This case from HTC is in response to an earlier attack from Apple. Apple's argument to the ITC is that HTC just bought the patents to defend itself. The ITC said that it doesn't matter, since the patents are still valid.

Well, yeah. That's a terrible argument, honestly.

I think the bigger question is why these aren't subject to FRAND, if they truly cover essential parts of the LTE standard.

How does a patent become a FRAND patent, is it something the inventing company does or is there a third party that selects them and makes the decision?


I'm not an expert, but I think the requirement usually comes from a standards body as a requirement for being accepted. Makes sense because what good is having a standard like WiFi if someone could exclude a specific company through malicious pricing.
 
2012-09-10 04:17:28 PM  
Time to wipe off the old Titan
 
2012-09-10 04:28:27 PM  

fang06554: On a similar but separate note - I have the Samsung S3 now, and replaced a Thunderbolt. I really liked the Thunderbolt, but you had to have an extended battery in order to get use out of it and not have it die halfway through the day.

With the Samsung, I spend a day at work, watch a couple hours of Netflix over 4G, listen to music, etc. Still at 40% at the end of the day.

Also, last two android phones were HTC, and both had hardware failures after the 1 year mark, but before the 2 year upgrade mark.

/I have insurance now.


HTC give a two year manufacturers guarantee, at least they do here in the UK.
 
2012-09-10 04:38:12 PM  

NotARocketScientist: That patent law is now stifling innovation

What evidence do you see that innovation is "stifled"?

The fact that provisional patents last only 1 year means that only corporations with research departments can get anything to patent status and get all the paperwork filled out for the regular patent. The backyard inventor who may take 2 or 3 years developing something is locked out. In fact, if a company sees what he's working on and can develop it faster, they can sue him for using his own invention. I've had a couple ideas that could be mildly useful, but don't have the time or money to develop them quickly, so I can't develop them at all.


Then keep it secret. You could spend ten years developing something in secret before filing a patent. Of course someone else could independently come up with the same idea in the mean time.

Or file the patent anyway. You can still develop the idea, flling new applications on incremental improvements, while you develop. You can apply for the full patent before you have finished developing your prototypes, the patent office do not demand to see a working prototype before issuing a patent.
 
2012-09-10 04:39:49 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

There are still some features to be exploited. E.G. Siri/Google Voice/etc. have a loooong ways to go before being viable. Also, improved cameras do help. Most cell phone cameras still suck at photographing moving objects. Or, for example, the S3 has a 20-shot burst mode which is actually pretty sweet. So, there's still some things they can do. But yes, you're right, for many people these things are already commoditized.


My HTC One X had that before the S3 came out. Did Samsung copy HTC?! Sue them!!!
 
2012-09-10 04:48:02 PM  

mccallcl: Masso: Yeah, fark this shiat, Apple. You pulled a fast one over the entire industry

Yeah, a fast one by spending 30 years building a brand through excellence that allowed them to acquire the kind of talent necessary to conceive of and execute the phone that changed personal communication forever. All while operating primarily out of outrageously expensive southern California, in the good old US of A.

If that's a "fast one", I'd hate to see what you think hard work and determination looks like. Apple isn't winning because they cheat. They're winning because they make the best products in the world. The cheating is just an extra kick in the teeth to their competition.


Apple copy someone else? Unpossible!!

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2012-09-10 05:18:46 PM  
Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Wife:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.
3.) Fail.
4.) Google to transfer pictures from camera to iphone.
5.) Launch Itunes.
6.) Plug in iphone to PC.
7.) Address itunes concerns that this phone is not what it seems and restore a 2 month old configuration it had stored.
8.) Wait 45 minutes as phone syncs all data.
9.) Notice text messages and contacts from last two months are gone.
10.) Oh well, back to the task at hand.
10.) Copy digital camera pictures to PC.
11.) Add new directory to Itunes.
12.) Sync.
13.) Wait 45 minutes for resync.
14.) Look at pictures from phone.
15.) Notice pictures from camera now on phone but pictures originally on iphone are now missing.
16.) Oh well, nothing in life last forever...not even pictures.
17.) Itunes now pops up every 15 minutes to say whats up to iphone.
18.) Google how to keep itunes from popping up every 15 minutes.
19.) Fail.
20.) Give up.
21.) Try to play favorite song on iphone by Goyte to relieve stress.
22.) I'm too sexy by RSF plays instead.
23.) Wife finally ask me to fix her phone.
24.) Still trying to fix her phone 1 week later.
 
2012-09-10 05:25:05 PM  

imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Wife:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.
3.) Fail.
4.) Google to transfer pictures from camera to iphone.
5.) Launch Itunes.
6.) Plug in iphone to PC.
7.) Address itunes concerns that this phone is not what it seems and restore a 2 month old configuration it had stored.
8.) Wait 45 minutes as phone syncs all data.
9.) Notice text messages and contacts from last two months are gone.
10.) Oh well, back to the task at hand.
10.) Copy digital camera pictures to PC.
11.) Add new directory to Itunes.
12.) Sync.
13.) Wait 45 minutes for resync.
14.) Look at pictures from phone.
15.) Notice pictures from camera now on phone but pictures originally on iphone are now missing.
16.) Oh well, nothing in life last forever...not even pictures.
17.) Itunes now pops up every 15 minutes to say whats up to iphone.
18.) Google how to keep itunes from popping up every 15 minutes.
19.) Fail.
20.) Give up.
21.) Try to play favorite song on iphone by Goyte to relieve stress.
22.) I'm too sexy by RSF plays instead.
23.) Wife finally ask me to fix her phone.
24.) Still trying to fix her phone 1 week later.




How to make a song on your phone the ringtone for the phone.

iPhone: Five minute video explaining how to do it without paying Apple again for music you already own. (Sorry, "Licence")

HTC:
1. Click on song in song list.
2. Click "Set As Ringtone"
3. Er...
4. That's it.
 
2012-09-10 05:36:17 PM  

styckx: Masso: styckx: Meh.. Every single one of them sues the shiat out of each other.. MS sues others just as much as Apple does.. None of these farkers are innocent.. I don't like Apple as much as the next guy but they're just another pea in the pod as far as retarded lolsuits go. Just so happens they get all the media attention for it.

Microsoft don't sue people over rounded rectangle and OS with grids.

You're right, they just sue for how webpages display and how devices show a downloads status like when they sued Barnes and Noble over the Nook


This is no place for facts, this is a place to rage on one company while ignoring that almost every other company has done the same thing.
 
2012-09-10 05:55:35 PM  

Flint Ironstag: HTC give a two year manufacturers guarantee, at least they do here in the UK.


That got my hopes up, but in the US apparently it is only 12 months. The messed up part is it is a known issue of the actual on board memory going bad, but is usually goes bad pretty early in the life cycle of the phone.
 
2012-09-10 06:06:51 PM  

Flint Ironstag: SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

There are still some features to be exploited. E.G. Siri/Google Voice/etc. have a loooong ways to go before being viable. Also, improved cameras do help. Most cell phone cameras still suck at photographing moving objects. Or, for example, the S3 has a 20-shot burst mode which is actually pretty sweet. So, there's still some things they can do. But yes, you're right, for many people these things are already commoditized.

My HTC One X had that before the S3 came out. Did Samsung copy HTC?! Sue them!!!


BASTARDS! To the attorney cave!
 
2012-09-10 06:11:19 PM  

imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.


Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.
 
2012-09-10 06:16:00 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.


EyeFi - The camera saved the pictures to the phone as I took them.
 
2012-09-10 06:20:19 PM  
Yea, I love my wifes ipod touch. Oh wait, they stopped releasing OS for it, and all the apps migrated to the newer OS, so now I can't use it for much.
 
2012-09-10 06:20:28 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Apple copy someone else? Unpossible!!


Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun?
 
2012-09-10 06:22:03 PM  

fang06554: Flint Ironstag: HTC give a two year manufacturers guarantee, at least they do here in the UK.

That got my hopes up, but in the US apparently it is only 12 months. The messed up part is it is a known issue of the actual on board memory going bad, but is usually goes bad pretty early in the life cycle of the phone.


Sorry man. I had a problem with my Desire overheating at about 18 months. I'd fitted a bigger battery and used a gel case that kept the heat in so I don't know it it was the phone of me that caused the problem, but they fitted a new mobo and that was it. Maybe the 24 month guarantee is a EU thing?
 
2012-09-10 06:23:16 PM  

ProfessorOhki: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.

EyeFi - The camera saved the pictures to the phone as I took them.


I assume you mean "to the intarwebs"...

But yeah, these days you really should rarely need to plug a phone into your PC.
 
2012-09-10 06:37:51 PM  
I can't say HTC without farking swearing. farking garbage and a non stop run around.
 
2012-09-10 06:50:31 PM  

Vance Uppercut: I can't say HTC without farking swearing. farking garbage and a non stop run around.


I love mine. The Desire wiped the floor with the then iPhone 3GS when I got it and my One X is way better than the 4S now. If I hadn't already got the One X I might have been tempted by the Galaxy 3, but I prefer HTCs Sense interface.
 
2012-09-10 06:50:34 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Sorry man. I had a problem with my Desire overheating at about 18 months. I'd fitted a bigger battery and used a gel case that kept the heat in so I don't know it it was the phone of me that caused the problem, but they fitted a new mobo and that was it. Maybe the 24 month guarantee is a EU thing?


Yeah looks like they have different warranties for different geographical areas. The US one is 12 months, while the EU ones look like 24 months.

HTC Warranty Page
 
2012-09-10 06:53:30 PM  

fang06554: Flint Ironstag: Sorry man. I had a problem with my Desire overheating at about 18 months. I'd fitted a bigger battery and used a gel case that kept the heat in so I don't know it it was the phone of me that caused the problem, but they fitted a new mobo and that was it. Maybe the 24 month guarantee is a EU thing?

Yeah looks like they have different warranties for different geographical areas. The US one is 12 months, while the EU ones look like 24 months.

HTC Warranty Page


Strange. I know the EU have all sorts of warranty laws, but then surely the iPhone would have to do the same if it was law?
 
2012-09-10 06:57:05 PM  

KingoftheCheese: I think people are just jealous that Apple puts out a better product hands down. Android and Blackberry will not be able to keep up and will soon go the way of the record player, the tape deck, and HDDVD.

Face it, fandroids, your love for an inferior product isn't going to keep Apple from continuing to supply the world with excellence.


You might be just trolling, but if you wanna get into specifics of why an iPhone is better than a phone from the Samsung Galaxy line or the HTC One X, I'm all ears.
 
2012-09-10 07:07:42 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.


Alternative the third:

1) Install file browser with SMB client (ES File Explorer being a good free option, File Expert being another, there are lots and lots of others) from Google Market.
2) Set up network share on PC, or if you have network storage, store your pics on the network drive.
3) Grab pics from network share and copy them to Android picture directory, easy peasy.

Alternative the fourth:

1) Upload pics to Picasa account or Flickr account via computer or (assuming sufficiently advanced camera) from camera itself.
2) Download to Android device. :3

Alternative the fifth (difficulty: requires web hosting with FTP server):

1) Set up private FTP uploading account (if you run your own website), install WinSCP for Windows or your choice of FTP program for other operating systems.
2) Upload pics to website or FTP site you operate.
3) Download via browser in Android, or (more properly for FTP) nice file browser like ES File Explorer or Astro or File Expert with FTP client capability.

Seriously, the mere acts of getting stuff on and off an Android device to a PC (and vice versa) are FAR less of a major PITA than with an iDevice, and this is even counting the "minimal device config required" stuff like "pulling stuff off a network share" and "putting stuff up on FTP site and then downloading from Android".
 
2012-09-10 07:23:36 PM  

soopey: What we're seeing here is the Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine in full force


Actually, that's what patents used to be like. Most of the big companies used patents defensively. Infringe on some minor IBM patent, they'll probably ignore you. Try to fark around with them (like SCO did) and they will clusterbomb you with patents.

Apple are just litigating out of rage. They're pissed as hell that Android took a look at the iPhone and realised that touch phones could be done well (never mind all the ideas that other people had that Apple just took from all over the place). And they're extra pissed that they can't stop that, so what they do instead is try to find pissy little patents they can throw at it instead. Ultimately, it's futile. They're not going to stop the Android juggernaut. A few costs here and there, a few tweaks to remove infringement. Meantime, Apple's market share is slowly slipping away.
 
2012-09-10 07:30:21 PM  

fang06554: Flint Ironstag: Sorry man. I had a problem with my Desire overheating at about 18 months. I'd fitted a bigger battery and used a gel case that kept the heat in so I don't know it it was the phone of me that caused the problem, but they fitted a new mobo and that was it. Maybe the 24 month guarantee is a EU thing?

Yeah looks like they have different warranties for different geographical areas. The US one is 12 months, while the EU ones look like 24 months.

HTC Warranty Page


I wonder when that started. My G2 had a 24-month warranty.
 
2012-09-10 07:36:53 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.

Alternative the third:

1) Install file browser with SMB client (ES File Explorer being a good free option, File Expert being another, there are lots and lots of others) from Google Market.
2) Set up network share on PC, or if you have network storage, store your pics on the network drive.
3) Grab pics from network share and copy them to Android picture directory, easy peasy.

Alternative the fourth:

1) Upload pics to Picasa account or Flickr account via computer or (assuming sufficiently advanced camera) from camera itself.
2) Download to Android device. :3

Alternative the fifth (difficulty: requires web hosting with FTP server):

1) Set up private FTP uploading account (if you run your own website), install WinSCP for Windows or your choice of FTP program for other operating systems.
2) Upload pics to website or FTP site you operate.
3) Download via browser in Android, or (more properly for FTP) nice file browser like ES File Explorer or Astro or File Expert with FTP client capability.

Seriously, the mere acts of getting stuff on and off an Android device to a PC (and vice versa) are FAR less of a major PITA than with an iDevice, and this is even counting the "minimal device config required" stuff like "pulling stuff off a network share" and "putting stuff up on FTP site and then downloading from Android".


Alternative the sixth:
1) Install Samba on your phone
2) Connect to your phone's folder from your computer
3) Copy away
 
2012-09-10 07:37:24 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: ProfessorOhki: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: imasig: Wife = iPhone 4s
Me = Samsung Galaxy S2

Task: Transfer pictures off digital camera onto phone.

Me:

1.) Plug in camera and phone to PC.
2.) Drag pictures onto phone.

Alternatively, set images to upload to Google+ automatically via wifi (it will auto-upload when it detects the connection). Then, just pull them all down from there. No plugging-in-the-phone necessary.

EyeFi - The camera saved the pictures to the phone as I took them.

I assume you mean "to the intarwebs"...

But yeah, these days you really should rarely need to plug a phone into your PC.


Either actually. You can use the phone as a hotspot and do camera->3/4G with a hop like that or wifi directly if you've got it. IIRC, there's also an ad-hoc mode where you can do camera<->phone with wifi w/o needing any outside infrastructure.
 
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