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(Talking Points Memo)   Crap, Romneybot is in Friendly Fire mode again   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 10
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2012-09-10 05:51:18 AM
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sirgrim: For someone running against borrowing and spending it also probably wasn't the best idea to pick a VP that voted for the Iraq war, TARP and Medicare part D. Nice job, el rombo.


To be fair, its not like anyone else wanted the job
2012-09-10 07:16:21 AM
2 votes:

liam76: devek: The bush tax cuts also expire at the end of this year.

It will be impossible for congress to pass a bill that doesn't extend them for the rich, and try have no bargaining chip left with Obama to pass one that does include the rich.

Game over man, game over.

Because the most important thing to Republicans is getting tac cuts for the rich. Don't understand how there are peopel who can't see that.


The funny thing is, even though I am middle class and know there is a chance that my taxes will get raised I don't mind. If it means my country will be better off, so be it. That is what makes me better than the entire GOP.
2012-09-10 09:44:17 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: The practice of politics is an exercise in compromise. Not everyone walks away completely happy from every deal, and many times one side or the other may regret having caved on certain aspects of the final deal.

The core of Romney's position is nuanced, subtle, and with a genuine understanding of how best to govern. As President, he'll have the ability to veto, which is something that Congressional legislators do not.


This has nothing to do with nuance and everything to do with a series of ads in swing states that tout using the military to increase employment. Frankly, it's hard to imagine anything more stupid, unless the plan is to saddle us with a lot of extra debt while a few people pocket huge profits, leaving the people working for the military worse off.

Using the military as a job corps is a really bad idea for the areas hit hardest by unemployment. A large chunk of the workers hit hardest are over thirty. What place will there be in the military for them? If you suffered a financial set-back or if your house is upside-down, the odds of your passing a security clearance are zero. Good luck getting employed by a military contractor. And, if you fail the clearance once, it's nearly impossible to pass it when times get better. We've already seen stories about active duty parents losing custody of children, so this definitely will not help families.

Even if we look at this proposal as a way to only attack the unemployment rate of young people, it's too expensive. In the 2008 election, the Democrats proposed a Job Corps-type program where young people who give two years' service in exchange for certain benefits. The major benefit was supposed to be money for education as on-the-job training to prepare for future employment.

The military is a lot more expensive, and the benefits are for more costly (as they should be for young people who offer to put their lives on the line). There's housing, clothing, food, and more extensive healthcare. Plus, the military is more than just a two-year program. If it's going to be treated like a real job creation tool, the jobs have to be longer term. That means more pensions and long-term benefits. (Unless Mitt has a plan to cut pensions for our fighting forces - and, if he does, we need to know about it NOW.)

Plus, young men and women who are enlisted in the military do not have lots of spending cash. This will hardly create demand in the economy across the board. There's a reason why military families buy what they can at the Base Exchange. Stuff is cheaper on base, and soldiers don't have a lot of cash. Many families of enlisted service members get food stamps because their low pay qualifies them as poor. I find it really hard to imagine that the party of no birth control is suggesting that we tell Americans in their prime fertile years that they should not marry and have families, so, unless they are looking to pack in a lot more people at the officer level, we're going to be looking at many more poor families.

If Mitt wants his plan to be just a militarized Job Corp, then he's not solving the jobs issue. He's going to create cycles of unemployment at regular intervals. Not good for the economy. Not good for the people who will be dumped from the military in just two years unless they are lucky enough to be placed in a function that will be in high demand when you get out. Honestly, could there be a more ill-thought-out proposal and a bigger waste of money? Did anyone put any thought into this - at all? Is this really your idea of nuance?
2012-09-10 08:15:05 AM
1 votes:
And really, can't we focus in the real issue with this article?

I'd like to personally ad hominem the hell out of this girl...

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2012-09-10 07:27:32 AM
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: EvilEgg: Because he needs the loons and has no problem with paying lip service to whatever will get him elected.

If he doesn't have the base by now, he will never have them.


But which base? The Republican party is a three legged stool, with each leg trying to saw off the one to it's left. You have the Plutocrarchs, You have the Evangelicals. You have the Teabaggers. There are also a heap of bloody stumps where the other three have already done their work.

For Romney to play to any one leg of the party will be at the expense of the other leg. And the only thing they have in common is that each is betting on the United States turning into a failed state. The Evangelicals want to bring on the Rapture. The Teabaggers want to bring on a revolution where they imagine themselves on the delivering and of the firing squad. And the Plutocrarchs just want to crack the skulls of their neighbors and feast on the gooey insides.

Not exactly a winning ticket to your average voter.
2012-09-10 07:24:14 AM
1 votes:

devek: liam76: devek: The bush tax cuts also expire at the end of this year.

It will be impossible for congress to pass a bill that doesn't extend them for the rich, and try have no bargaining chip left with Obama to pass one that does include the rich.

Game over man, game over.

Because the most important thing to Republicans is getting tac cuts for the rich. Don't understand how there are peopel who can't see that.

The funny thing is, even though I am middle class and know there is a chance that my taxes will get raised I don't mind. If it means my country will be better off, so be it. That is what makes me better than the entire GOP.


I wouldn't mind if mine were raised, but I am going with Obama because if I go with Romney they will be raised for me and not the rich.
2012-09-10 06:57:09 AM
1 votes:

devek: The bush tax cuts also expire at the end of this year.

It will be impossible for congress to pass a bill that doesn't extend them for the rich, and try have no bargaining chip left with Obama to pass one that does include the rich.

Game over man, game over.


Because the most important thing to Republicans is getting tac cuts for the rich. Don't understand how there are peopel who can't see that.
2012-09-10 05:57:30 AM
1 votes:
It was a terrible deal, for republicans. Jan 1st we may actually get a budget surplus. It is the last thing they want, because a balanced budget gives them nothing to campaign on in the future.
2012-09-10 05:56:12 AM
1 votes:
It's not like the nutjobs who plan on voting against Obama for Romney care what Romney says.
2012-09-10 05:52:40 AM
1 votes:
I don't get how the Romney and Ryan think they'd be good at running the country when they hate everything they've done in government so far.
 
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