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2012-09-10 05:48:04 AM  
Great, now I have that song stuck in my head


...it's so weird to be back in TF again
 
2012-09-10 05:55:03 AM  
This is what conservatives actually believe?
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TROLLIN', TROLLIN', TROLLIN' THOUGH YOUR BUTT IS SWOLLEN KEEP THOSE DOGGIES ROLLIN'
Would you like fries with your hyperbole?
 
2012-09-10 05:58:16 AM  

Dahnkster: This is what conservatives actually believe?
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TROLLIN', TROLLIN', TROLLIN' THOUGH YOUR BUTT IS SWOLLEN KEEP THOSE DOGGIES ROLLIN'
Would you like fries with your hyperbole?


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2012-09-10 06:10:05 AM  
Now, as long as the Democrats remember how close they came from being excluded from voting in this election cycle, perhaps we can accomplish something by allocating majority control to Democrats.
 
2012-09-10 06:41:18 AM  
fta Romney actually leads 46-44 with independents but Obama has the overall advantage thanks to a more unified party base.

That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.
 
2012-09-10 06:43:04 AM  

Bontesla: Now, as long as the Democrats remember how close they came from being excluded from voting in this election cycle, perhaps we can accomplish something by allocating majority control to Democrats.


Yea, like you did so much with that last time.

And on the topic of this poll, Obama is clearly getting a small bounce out his convention, where Romney got none. In fact, in many polls Romney lost ground. Short version of this story? Romney is farked.

At this point it's not a question of who's going to win, it's a question of how bad Romney loses.
 
2012-09-10 06:43:34 AM  

Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.


Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?
 
2012-09-10 06:46:00 AM  

Notabunny: fta Romney actually leads 46-44 with independents but Obama has the overall advantage thanks to a more unified party base.

That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.


At this point, who the fark is undecided? This election cycle is going to have the lowest return on money spent of any election in history.
 
2012-09-10 06:46:18 AM  

Muta: How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?


Several Republicans in my family actually believe that prayer will help Romney to win.

I know, right? But you can't choose your relatives.
 
2012-09-10 06:49:07 AM  

Dahnkster: This is what conservatives actually believe?
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TROLLIN', TROLLIN', TROLLIN' THOUGH YOUR BUTT IS SWOLLEN KEEP THOSE DOGGIES ROLLIN'
Would you like fries with your hyperbole?


Wrong thread, perhaps?
 
2012-09-10 06:51:13 AM  

0Icky0: Muta: How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Several Republicans in my family actually believe that prayer will help Romney to win.

I know, right? But you can't choose your relatives.


Encourage them. Tell them to encourage MORE and MORE conservatives that voting won't matter. Tell them ONLY PRAYING can solve their BLAH-MAN-IN-WHITE-HOUSE problems.
 
2012-09-10 06:51:34 AM  
My six-year-old told me to vote for Romney because she believed the attack ads. So, they do work.
 
2012-09-10 06:51:34 AM  
This really doesn't surprise me. Though the fact that it's still this close speaks to the power of propaganda.
 
2012-09-10 06:53:13 AM  

Alphax: This really doesn't surprise me. Though the fact that it's still this close speaks to the power of propagandautter, utter bloody stupidity.


/FTFA
 
2012-09-10 06:53:36 AM  

0Icky0: Muta: How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Several Republicans in my family actually believe that prayer will help Romney to win.

I know, right? But you can't choose your relatives.


Yea, but I refuse to go to any family function where my racist uncle is invited. I told my father if he's invited to Christmas dinner, my family will not be attending. I will not expose my children to his vile hate.

My uncles own children have effectively disowned him; with one of his son's calling him ignorant to his face. That's how such people should be treated, family or not.
 
2012-09-10 06:54:14 AM  

Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.


Well there are also the debates as well, in which Obama should be able own Romney. And while Romney might have a small money advantage, Obama isn't exactly defenseless or not going to blast his own ads as well.

Plus, Obama is a known well known entity at this point, throwing out attack ads that are incongruent with what people know of the man isn't going to be that effective anyway. And undecided voters usually break towards the incumbent as well.

I just don't see anything really that can turn the campaign around for Romney at this point.
 
2012-09-10 06:54:43 AM  

AngryTeacher: My six-year-old told me to vote for Romney because she believed the attack ads. So, they do work.


Sadly, you actually do have to worry about voters that are dumber than six year olds.
 
2012-09-10 06:55:43 AM  

BigBooper: Notabunny: fta Romney actually leads 46-44 with independents but Obama has the overall advantage thanks to a more unified party base.

That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

At this point, who the fark is undecided? This election cycle is going to have the lowest return on money spent of any election in history.


More to the point, if they are still undecided, is anything going to reach them?

You can only watch so many ads before they all sound like noise.
 
2012-09-10 06:57:36 AM  

BigBooper: Notabunny: fta Romney actually leads 46-44 with independents but Obama has the overall advantage thanks to a more unified party base.

That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

At this point, who the fark is undecided? This election cycle is going to have the lowest return on money spent of any election in history.


They are just doing their part to stimulate the economy.
 
2012-09-10 07:01:55 AM  

spelletrader: They are just doing their part to stimulate the economy.


I was wondering about this. If media has to charge the lowest advertising rate, doesn't this hurt the economy?
 
2012-09-10 07:01:58 AM  

Muta: Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?


Michigan and Pennsylvania. I thought i remembered reading that Romney is either not advertising in Wisconsin, or has very limited advertising there. Given his nearly limitless super pac money, it seems odd.
 
2012-09-10 07:02:37 AM  
We really need to get rid of the electoral college. The fact that both of these guys are just going to dump tons of money into nine states kind of defeats the purpose of our supposed Democracy.
 
2012-09-10 07:08:29 AM  

Smoking GNU:

Wrong thread, perhaps?


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South Beach

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Spring Break

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Kent State

FROM THE WIKI:
Ohio (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song) The lyrics help evoke the turbulent mood of horror, outrage and shock in the wake of the shootings, especially the line "four dead in Ohio," repeated throughout the song. "Tin soldiers and Nixon coming" refers to the Ohio National Guardsmen who killed the student protesters and Young's attribution of their deaths to the President of the United States, Richard Nixon.
 
2012-09-10 07:08:33 AM  

AngryTeacher: spelletrader: They are just doing their part to stimulate the economy.

I was wondering about this. If media has to charge the lowest advertising rate, doesn't this hurt the economy?


They don't have to charge the lowest rate to the SuperPACS, just the actual campaigns.
 
2012-09-10 07:10:32 AM  
That's nice.

Now, talk to me again around 11 PM on November 6.
 
2012-09-10 07:11:20 AM  

Dahnkster: Smoking GNU:

Wrong thread, perhaps?

[www.yale.edu image 850x648]
South Beach

[www.documentingreality.com image 600x398]
Spring Break

[a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 475x355]
Kent State

FROM THE WIKI:
Ohio (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song) The lyrics help evoke the turbulent mood of horror, outrage and shock in the wake of the shootings, especially the line "four dead in Ohio," repeated throughout the song. "Tin soldiers and Nixon coming" refers to the Ohio National Guardsmen who killed the student protesters and Young's attribution of their deaths to the President of the United States, Richard Nixon.


seriously, you're this upset over a fark headline?

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?
 
2012-09-10 07:11:21 AM  

EvilEgg: AngryTeacher: spelletrader: They are just doing their part to stimulate the economy.

I was wondering about this. If media has to charge the lowest advertising rate, doesn't this hurt the economy?

They don't have to charge the lowest rate to the SuperPACS, just the actual campaigns.


So, more guaranteed profits for Big Media then.
 
2012-09-10 07:12:45 AM  

Notabunny: Muta: Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Michigan and Pennsylvania. I thought i remembered reading that Romney is either not advertising in Wisconsin, or has very limited advertising there. Given his nearly limitless super pac money, it seems odd.


As has been said, if Romney doesn't win Ohio, the other 56 states don't matter. In fact, isn't the math such that Romney has to win almost every battle ground state to have a shot, while Obama can lose most of them and still win?

Nate Silver is already going so far as giving Obama better than an 80% chance of winning. And even though I'm a classic Fark Independent, I can't argue with Nate's math.
 
2012-09-10 07:13:24 AM  

Dahnkster: Smoking GNU:

Wrong thread, perhaps?

[www.yale.edu image 850x648]
South Beach

[www.documentingreality.com image 600x398]
Spring Break

[a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 475x355]
Kent State

FROM THE WIKI:
Ohio (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song) The lyrics help evoke the turbulent mood of horror, outrage and shock in the wake of the shootings, especially the line "four dead in Ohio," repeated throughout the song. "Tin soldiers and Nixon coming" refers to the Ohio National Guardsmen who killed the student protesters and Young's attribution of their deaths to the President of the United States, Richard Nixon.


I still have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-09-10 07:14:54 AM  

0Icky0: Several Republicans in my family actually believe that prayer will help Romney to win. I know, right? But you can't choose your relatives.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-10 07:16:38 AM  

xanadian: That's nice.

Now, talk to me again around 11 PM on November 6.


You seem pretty confident things will be decided by then, which won't happen if a decisive state has a recount.
 
2012-09-10 07:16:57 AM  

Alphax: EvilEgg: AngryTeacher: spelletrader: They are just doing their part to stimulate the economy.

I was wondering about this. If media has to charge the lowest advertising rate, doesn't this hurt the economy?

They don't have to charge the lowest rate to the SuperPACS, just the actual campaigns.

So, more guaranteed profits for Big Media then.


Could a station charge one super PAC $10 for an ad, them charge another an extremely high price?

/Honesty wondering
 
2012-09-10 07:18:08 AM  

Wyalt Derp: 0Icky0: Several Republicans in my family actually believe that prayer will help Romney to win. I know, right? But you can't choose your relatives.

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Dude, that is awesome. It's like the Politics version of Darwin At Work.
 
2012-09-10 07:19:52 AM  

somedude210: seriously, you're this upset over a fark headline?

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?



No Farktard. It was a teaching moment. Who jizzed on your face last night?

Now you've been schooled, too.
 
2012-09-10 07:23:07 AM  

0Icky0: Muta: How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Several Republicans in my family actually believe that prayer will help Romney to win.

I know, right? But you can't choose your relatives.


Please let us know what their thoughts are in November when they find out God said "Aw, f*ck no!".
 
2012-09-10 07:23:47 AM  
I think the conventions had a lot to do with it. The Republican convention came across as amateurish and petty. They didn't parade any of the "faces" of the party that America really knew, but rather the people who they want to be the faces of the GOP. The ones who they knew some like Christie seemed to be more into self-promotion than promoting Romney. The convention was sop wrapped up in bashing Obama and shameless self promotion they even forgot to mention the troops. The one major thing they failed to present is any new ideas for the economy, just the same trickle-down nonsense.

Meanwhile the Democratic convention came across as more professional and more positive of a tone, speaking about a better future. They also presented people like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter who America trusts to make their case, and laid out the case better and way less vague than the Republicans.
 
2012-09-10 07:24:00 AM  

Notabunny: Muta: Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Michigan and Pennsylvania. I thought i remembered reading that Romney is either not advertising in Wisconsin, or has very limited advertising there. Given his nearly limitless super pac money, it seems odd.


It hints that Romney's money advantage may no longer be an advantage. I doubt a lot of his rich backers are rethinking their choice of candidate, and realize that for all their money that Romney can't win or won't be an effective president to push legislation that favors them.
 
2012-09-10 07:25:31 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Please let us know what their thoughts are in November when they find out God said "Aw, f*ck no!".


Well clearly it would be because a) They didn't pray hard enough or b) evil forces of Satan were at work
 
2012-09-10 07:26:08 AM  

Smoking GNU: I still have no idea what you're talking about.

 

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2012-09-10 07:26:18 AM  

Dahnkster: somedude210: seriously, you're this upset over a fark headline?

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?


No Farktard. It was a teaching moment. Who jizzed on your face last night?

Now you've been schooled, too.


Wha? How was that a teaching moment or I was schooled?
 
2012-09-10 07:26:47 AM  

BigBooper: Notabunny: Muta: Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Michigan and Pennsylvania. I thought i remembered reading that Romney is either not advertising in Wisconsin, or has very limited advertising there. Given his nearly limitless super pac money, it seems odd.

As has been said, if Romney doesn't win Ohio, the other 56 states don't matter. In fact, isn't the math such that Romney has to win almost every battle ground state to have a shot, while Obama can lose most of them and still win?

Nate Silver is already going so far as giving Obama better than an 80% chance of winning. And even though I'm a classic Fark Independent, I can't argue with Nate's math.


That's why the pulling back on ads in Wisconsin and Michigan is baffling. If Romney loses any rust belt states, it's over. In fact, if he loses Ohio, he could run the table on the rest of the battleground states and still come up short.
 
2012-09-10 07:27:30 AM  

BigBooper: Notabunny: Muta: Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?

Michigan and Pennsylvania. I thought i remembered reading that Romney is either not advertising in Wisconsin, or has very limited advertising there. Given his nearly limitless super pac money, it seems odd.

As has been said, if Romney doesn't win Ohio, the other 56 states don't matter. In fact, isn't the math such that Romney has to win almost every battle ground state to have a shot, while Obama can lose most of them and still win?

Nate Silver is already going so far as giving Obama better than an 80% chance of winning. And even though I'm a classic Fark Independent, I can't argue with Nate's math.


Playing around with an interactive electoral map (like 270towin) is a real eye opener in that account. It's within the realm of possibility for Obama to lose Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina and still win. Maybe Virginia too, I don't remember.

I just don't see how the republicans can possibly pull this one off, barring another economic crash or a new war. That being said, complacency is the enemy, especially given how goddamned stupid the people in my state were last election.
 
2012-09-10 07:29:10 AM  
That is well within the margin of Diebold.
 
2012-09-10 07:30:57 AM  

Smoking GNU: Dude, that is awesome. It's like the Politics version of Darwin At Work.


Disclaimer: I didn't build that.
 
2012-09-10 07:32:41 AM  

MisterLoki: That is well within the margin of Diebold.

 
2012-09-10 07:37:20 AM  

Gwyrddu: TV's Vinnie: Please let us know what their thoughts are in November when they find out God said "Aw, f*ck no!".

Well clearly it would be because a) They didn't pray hard enough or b) evil forces of Satan were at work


So, they admit that Satan is stronger than Jesus, huh?

/I wish I had fundie relatives to f*ck with
 
2012-09-10 07:54:37 AM  

Muta: Notabunny: That's within the margin of error. Let's see what happens after tens of millions of dollars of attack ads are run back-to-back for 2 months.

Wasn't there a story that Romney is canceling TV ads in Ohio?
How does Romney plan to win without Ohio?


The money (the SuperPAC money that is) is probably better spent on Congressional seats and Governorships.

If the Senate goes R they can always try to impeach the blah man.
 
2012-09-10 07:56:30 AM  
That doesn't even fit. Too many syllables.
 
2012-09-10 08:05:37 AM  

AngryTeacher: My six-year-old told me to vote for Romney because she believed the attack ads. So, they do work.


Mine too. Here in southwest Ohio, Time Warner is running political ads on Cartoon Network.

Seems like a waste of resources. People who watch Regular Show are most likely not voting Republican, no matter how many ads you throw at them. Come to think of it, they're probably not voting at all.
 
2012-09-10 08:07:08 AM  

BigBooper: the other 56 states don't matter


Must be awful to have to scrape the bottom of your barrel over and over and over and over.
 
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