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(CNN)   Kickstarter says to beware, there's no refunds. Subby knew he never should have donated to the guy that said he was building a fully functioning TARDIS   (cnn.com) divider line 136
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2012-09-10 05:51:51 AM  
The word "duh" comes to mind.
 
2012-09-10 08:44:52 AM  
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Kickstarter's VP of Public Relations
 
2012-09-10 10:09:01 AM  
Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa
 
2012-09-10 11:02:34 AM  

Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa


I farking hate people who do that. Chargebacks are not a tool for buyer's remorse.
 
2012-09-10 11:10:55 AM  

ModernLuddite: The word "duh" comes to mind.


Done in one.
 
2012-09-10 11:13:16 AM  
I imagine you can probably go after the company/individuals running the project if they don't deliver, though if they tried in good faith and failed, they wont have any assets worth the effort of suing.
 
2012-09-10 11:13:18 AM  
FTFA: "...users have been asking: What happens when I donate to a project but then the recipient never follows through?"

Answer: you feel like the moron you are for allowing yourself to fall for the latest on-line scam business.
 
2012-09-10 11:13:33 AM  
scottydoesntknow:

Chargebacks are not a tool for buyer's remorse.

Bears repeating.
 
2012-09-10 11:14:15 AM  
Like you'd ever see him again? Those things are chick magnets.
 
2012-09-10 11:16:18 AM  
Backers at the $10,000,000 level will receive one of these:

<img src="http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-572089/karen-gillan-3.jpg">
 
2012-09-10 11:18:48 AM  
It saddens me that so many people don't understand the terms "investment" and "risk."
 
2012-09-10 11:22:20 AM  
Well, obviously. TARDISes are grown, not built.
 
2012-09-10 11:23:57 AM  
subby's headline suggests TARDation
 
2012-09-10 11:24:34 AM  
I set-up a Kickstarter project for an iPhone app last summer. Basically, whenever someone called, you'd get a splash screen showing their current weather conditions. That way you'd have instant small talk ammunition to unload on your great aunt or old friend who you quit giving too shiats about after you quit drinking. I set my fundraising goal at $10,000, which I thought was ridiculously high. I figured if I got 1/10th of it, I'd at least have enough to buy an iPad. I never really intended to learn to program much less build the actual app, so I really had nothing to lose.

Well, I'll be damned if two weeks later I had not only met my $10k goal, but exceeded it by an additional $25,000. Unbeknownst to me, there's a huge community of amateur meteorologists who really saw the promise of my vision. Who knew? (Or cared, for that matter...)

Talk about badass, right? I bought an iPhone, an iPad, top of the line iMac, and still had plenty of cash leftover to take to the casino in Biloxi. I know a lot of people knock Kickstarter, but it is seriously a great way to raise some quick cash without actually doing any work.

I got a bunch of hate mail and legal threats when I let the project go dormant, but I responded to them all as a pretend lawyer saying that my client had died in a fiery crash while transporting the money to the Apple Store to buy materials. People forget about crap pretty quickly in this day in age of ever present distraction.

I'm planning to visit Toronto this fall, so I'm working on another pitch now!
 
2012-09-10 11:24:55 AM  
I call it a small victory whenever MMO FOR GAMERS BY GAMERS, zombie movie. steampunk self-published novel, tedious Apple accessory or nerd rap act took money from suckers and never launched.
 
2012-09-10 11:25:47 AM  
I don't think people really understand what kickstarter is.

It's not a way to pre-order games before they are made, or other products or services. It's a way to fund the development of things you'd like to see made, same as any other investment. Investments, as we all know, don't always pan out.

That's why you should research who or what is being kickstarted before you put your money down. If it's not a company you trust, or an individual with a history or at least some functional prototypes, don't do it.

It's a bit harder with say, kickstarting artist or bands, but I chalk that up more to art patronage then anything, and that rarely, if ever, gets you any kind of return, money wise.
 
2012-09-10 11:27:18 AM  

Nightsweat: Backers at the $10,000,000 level will receive one of these:

<img src="http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-572089/karen-gillan-3.jpg">


What.... just those words?

Doesn't seem worth it for $10,000,000.00
 
2012-09-10 11:27:41 AM  
Out of "nearly 30,000 projects since 2009", how many times has it actually happened that the recipient of the donations simply kept the money and never followed through on the project?

Compare that to the percentage of products one typically pays for through traditional channels which fails to deliver as promised.

Yeah, with all these "Kickstarter backers: beware!" stories, I think Old Money and various middle-men might be getting a little concerned about this "crowd-funding" concept.
 
2012-09-10 11:28:54 AM  
Subby knew he never should have donated to the guy that said he was building a fully functioning TARDIS

He's only got the part down where it holds more cash on the inside than an equivalent volume outside.
 
2012-09-10 11:30:01 AM  

spentmiles: lulzy story

.

The best part about a spentmiles post is that I don't notice it's him until I get through the first sentence or two.
 
2012-09-10 11:30:28 AM  
A decade from now, the internet is going to be the biggest argument for across-the-board socialism. Yeah corruption will run rife, but at least humans aren't acting like animals.
 
2012-09-10 11:33:08 AM  
You aren't buying things on kickstarter. You're investing in a business and getting a free product as ROI for helping them get off the ground.
 
2012-09-10 11:35:19 AM  
Of course safety is not guaranteed.

And to be fair, he has only done this once before.
 
2012-09-10 11:38:03 AM  

Witchyman: Nightsweat: Backers at the $10,000,000 level will receive one of these:

<img src="http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-572089/karen-gillan-3.jpg">

What.... just those words?

Doesn't seem worth it for $10,000,000.00


Plus, a jpg of Karen Gillan can probably be obtained for a lot less than ten xxtra large.
 
2012-09-10 11:38:14 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: A decade from now, the internet is going to be the biggest argument for across-the-board socialism. Yeah corruption will run rife, but at least humans aren't acting like animals.


I've already started a naughty list and stocking up on ammo.
 
2012-09-10 11:38:20 AM  

Carth: You aren't buying things on kickstarter. You're investing in a business and getting a free product as ROI for helping them get off the ground.


THIS.

Which is why kickstarter sucks for funding anything other than consumer products.
 
2012-09-10 11:38:57 AM  
That's why one should only invest in thinsg that truly interest them, or that they feel have a chance of suceeding.

Like Ukiyo-e Heroes. (Ukiyo-e style drawings of videogame characters and scenes.). I kiiindaa wish I'd funded that kickstarter, just because it looks incredible, but they seem to have met their goals, which is good.
 
2012-09-10 11:38:57 AM  

Xenomech: Yeah, with all these "Kickstarter backers: beware!" stories, I think Old Money and various middle-men might be getting a little concerned about this "crowd-funding" concept.


I know that if I had a good idea for a project, I'd hit up Kickstarter before looking for venture capitalists.

If I'm developing, say, an app, which sounds like a better deal? Get funding from some guy who makes me sign a fifty page contract that it would take a lawyer to decipher and hopefully only says that he gets half my profits forevermore?

Or see if I can get 10,000 people to kick in a dollar each for a copy when its done, which not only allows me to retain full ownership of my idea, but also helps me gauge public interest, and might even provide more funding than I need?
 
2012-09-10 11:41:04 AM  

Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa


You COULD also try paying attention to what you were using your credit card on in the first place...
 
2012-09-10 11:41:58 AM  

r1niceboy: SockMonkeyHolocaust: A decade from now, the internet is going to be the biggest argument for across-the-board socialism. Yeah corruption will run rife, but at least humans aren't acting like animals.

I've already started a naughty list and stocking up on ammo.


Santa?
 
2012-09-10 11:42:53 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa

You COULD also try paying attention to what you were using your credit card on in the first place...


FARK PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IN THE ASS!!!!
 
2012-09-10 11:43:08 AM  
Subby knew he never should have donated to the guy that said he was building a fully functioning TARDIS

Obviously we're merely in the first loop. He's probably merely lost in the TARDIS, and when he finds the control room he'll pay you your profits yesterday.
 
2012-09-10 11:46:38 AM  

Xenomech: Yeah, with all these "Kickstarter backers: beware!" stories, I think Old Money and various middle-men might be getting a little concerned about this "crowd-funding" concept.


Not really. This really only works for projects so small that the "Old Money' or "various middle-men" wouldn't look at them. What venture capitalist is going to spend $30,000 on a project?
 
2012-09-10 11:47:18 AM  

Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa


That would be wire fraud on your part.
 
2012-09-10 11:49:27 AM  
At least that investment I made for that fully functioning time traveling car was worth it. Unfortunately they only had a 1972 Pinto available and have to be going downhill with a strong wind on their back to hit 88 MPH.
 
2012-09-10 11:50:30 AM  

Endive Wombat: The My Little Pony Killer: Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa

You COULD also try paying attention to what you were using your credit card on in the first place...

FARK PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IN THE ASS!!!!


Unless it's somebody else being personally responsible, of course.
 
2012-09-10 11:54:40 AM  

meanmutton: Xenomech: Yeah, with all these "Kickstarter backers: beware!" stories, I think Old Money and various middle-men might be getting a little concerned about this "crowd-funding" concept.

Not really. This really only works for projects so small that the "Old Money' or "various middle-men" wouldn't look at them. What venture capitalist is going to spend $30,000 on a project?


Also works for properties that are old, or genres that are considered obsolete. That's why Wasteland, Shadowrun, and Double fine had so many issues with investors, but had massive kickstarters.

That's also why, after said games, a lot of big name developers tried to get back into things with their own, personal projects. Several had some great success, including a few we thought we'd never see again, like Tex Murphy.
 
2012-09-10 11:57:07 AM  

meanmutton: Xenomech: Yeah, with all these "Kickstarter backers: beware!" stories, I think Old Money and various middle-men might be getting a little concerned about this "crowd-funding" concept.

Not really. This really only works for projects so small that the "Old Money' or "various middle-men" wouldn't look at them. What venture capitalist is going to spend $30,000 on a project?


A lot of them, actually. Venture capitalism is like playing the lottery... you throw a lot of small sums at the wall and hope one blows up.
 
2012-09-10 12:00:49 PM  
Step 1: Dust off some old designer from the 90's
Step 2: Make a lame video describing his titles produced in the 90's
Step 3: Describe how he will capture the exact same magic with this new project
Step 4: Never deliver on said project
Step 5: Profit

/Kickstarter = free money to has-been game developers
 
2012-09-10 12:01:09 PM  

Endive Wombat: The My Little Pony Killer: Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa

You COULD also try paying attention to what you were using your credit card on in the first place...

FARK PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IN THE ASS!!!!


True but when the offer is "give me $25 and I will send you the item. Delivery date January 2012" and then nothing appears 8 months later it's a tricky situation especially when they let on that everything is ready to go.

It would be clearer if Kickstarter was simply money being given to a project to help it. If they are a fraud or the project can't move on, oh well. Once the project starts promising compensatory rewards for giving them money, I think Kickstarter has to stop saying it's just a donation and no recourse.

/backed several projects
//never been burned yet although never seen one deliver anywhere close to their promised date
 
2012-09-10 12:03:25 PM  

swaxhog: True but when the offer is "give me $25 and I will send you the item. Delivery date January 2012" and then nothing appears 8 months later it's a tricky situation especially when they let on that everything is ready to go.


I could've sworn it says "give me $25 and, upon successful completion, I will send you the item"

I've never seen anywhere that there's a guarantee a project will see fruition or be successful.
 
2012-09-10 12:06:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa

I farking hate people who do that. Chargebacks are not a tool for buyer's remorse.


Not that I disagree with you, but the argument could be made that I'm not a buyer. I'm a backer. At least that's what they keep telling me. If I back a project that never comes to fruition, a chargeback seems like a legitimate response.
 
2012-09-10 12:06:29 PM  
Recently, a good friend was a co-producer, sponsor, and founding member for a Kickstarter program, and was falling short with a day to go. She called in a lot of favors and and sent viral requests. They made their goal with about 10-20 minutes ro spare.

The day before production, the director (and other producer) fired her by text for not responding to a text/email msg within a few hours (she was moving), calling her "unreliable". In essense, he hijacked the project at the last moment and used her and her contacts to get the Kickstarter funding.


Ahem...
 
2012-09-10 12:10:46 PM  

Cupajo: scottydoesntknow: Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa

I farking hate people who do that. Chargebacks are not a tool for buyer's remorse.

Not that I disagree with you, but the argument could be made that I'm not a buyer. I'm a backer. At least that's what they keep telling me. If I back a project that never comes to fruition, a chargeback seems like a legitimate response.


If you buy 100 shares of company X and the company goes bankrupt and the stock loses all value should you be able to do a charge back?
 
2012-09-10 12:11:01 PM  

Cupajo: scottydoesntknow: Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa

I farking hate people who do that. Chargebacks are not a tool for buyer's remorse.

Not that I disagree with you, but the argument could be made that I'm not a buyer. I'm a backer. At least that's what they keep telling me. If I back a project that never comes to fruition, a chargeback seems like a legitimate response.


Exactly, and a buyer expects goods/services in exchange for money. Not receiving those goods/services is a good reason to use a chargeback. A backer, on the other hand, is financing a potential project. There is inherent risk involved. Ignorance of the risk is not a valid reason to use a chargeback.
 
2012-09-10 12:11:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: swaxhog: True but when the offer is "give me $25 and I will send you the item. Delivery date January 2012" and then nothing appears 8 months later it's a tricky situation especially when they let on that everything is ready to go.

I could've sworn it says "give me $25 and, upon successful completion, I will send you the item"

I've never seen anywhere that there's a guarantee a project will see fruition or be successful.


Strange, any KS project I've looked at "upon successful completion" clearly meant reaching their desired funding goal. They always let on that the project is solid and just needs the KS funds to get it out to the people.

And just to add another mini rant, KS should stop funding once they reach their goal. When someone asks for $5k and they got $80k it's just more risk to more people. I'm just waiting to heal the howls of anguish as 9 million dollars disappears in Ouya's black hole.
 
2012-09-10 12:13:38 PM  

Endive Wombat: Cant you just call your credit card company and dispute the charge?

/drtfa


no.
First off, it's a dick move. You chose to DONATE money. DONATE means you are GIVING AWAY YOUR MONEY. Donate does not mean you have purchased something and are owed a product.

Second you can only file a credit card dispute 30 days after the purchase.

/A fool and his money are soon parted
//A sucker is born every minute
///Buy commemorative coins for your retirement! They'll only increase in value!
////This way to see the great Egress.
 
2012-09-10 12:15:13 PM  
I'm gonna start a kickstarter for KONY.

I can still get money from retards by saying KONY right?

/Still has no idea wtf KONY is but people seem to want to throw money at it.
 
2012-09-10 12:20:07 PM  

swaxhog: True but when the offer is "give me $25 and I will send you the item. Delivery date January 2012" and then nothing appears 8 months later it's a tricky situation especially when they let on that everything is ready to go.


No it doesn't, because you are still taking a risk when you choose to send somebody money based on promises they've made.
 
2012-09-10 12:31:03 PM  
I'll donate 10 potato for his reTardIS.
 
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