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2012-09-10 01:19:54 AM  
I see not a single photo of a machine gun in that article.
 
2012-09-10 03:29:39 AM  
I have rented automatic weapons on several occasions. There used to be a great place in Scottsdale AZ for that. The rental was cheap but you had to buy your ammo from them. That's where it really started to rack up costs.
 
2012-09-10 03:52:36 AM  

unlikely: I have rented automatic weapons on several occasions. There used to be a great place in Scottsdale AZ for that. The rental was cheap but you had to buy your ammo from them. That's where it really started to rack up costs.


Yeah. OPERATING a mini gun is dead cheap. FEEDING a mini gun is crazy expensive.
 
2012-09-10 04:03:43 AM  
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Why buy the cow?...

when she can come directly to the trailer park.
 
2012-09-10 04:15:34 AM  

Dahnkster: [coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com image 600x500]

Why buy the cow?...

when she can come directly to the trailer park.


I dont get the relevance of that picture, but regardless.....one of those things is not like the others.
 
2012-09-10 05:38:54 AM  
Isn't this what shooting ranges have been doing for ever?
 
2012-09-10 05:38:56 AM  
Perkins said the biggest challenge in getting the business up and running was finding a good location and then doing the extensive work needed to soundproof and essentially bulletproof the shooting range.


Don't....don't shooting ranges ALREADY have to be bulletproof?

Because I'd be all over renting a machine gun...but only if the range is SERIOUSLY bulletproof, not just "essentially" bulletproof...
 
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2012-09-10 05:43:11 AM  
I would hate to live next door to the unbulletproofed gun range.

I like what a big deal they make of bulletproofing it, yet all you need is several tons of sand piled behind the targets
 
2012-09-10 05:59:32 AM  
They have a place in athens that does something similar, it was awesome.
 
2012-09-10 06:04:18 AM  
I certainly hope they have disinfectant like for shopping carts and in hospitals. You never know who was handling the automatic weaponry before you!
 
2012-09-10 06:10:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Perkins said the biggest challenge in getting the business up and running was finding a good location and then doing the extensive work needed to soundproof and essentially bulletproof the shooting range.


Don't....don't shooting ranges ALREADY have to be bulletproof?

Because I'd be all over renting a machine gun...but only if the range is SERIOUSLY bulletproof, not just "essentially" bulletproof...


My father used to sell guns and equipment to cops, including full auto firearms. They put rounds into the ceiling of their indoor range all the time. So yea, this building needs to be seriously bullet proof. Also, letting minors as young as twelve shoot a full auto firearm is a seriously bad idea. A sub-machine gun has serious kick, and as long as that trigger is held, that muzzle will keep on climbing. Potentially right into the face of the shooter. A young girl died this way at a machine gun shoot a few years back. My dad tells stories of even cops that lost control and put half a mag into the ceiling.

/my dad used to take me along to demos
//showing cops proper burst fire techniques when your 13 is a lot of fun
 
2012-09-10 06:20:16 AM  

BigBooper: //showing cops proper burst fire techniques when your 13 is a lot of fun



When your 13 does what?
 
2012-09-10 06:32:18 AM  
This could come in handy if one gets pulled over! ("I don't think I WANT a ticket today pig boy")
 
2012-09-10 06:35:19 AM  

kendelrio: BigBooper: //showing cops proper burst fire techniques when your 13 is a lot of fun


When your 13 does what?


I think it was obvious what I was talking about.

/the size of my male reproductive organ
 
2012-09-10 06:35:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Perkins said the biggest challenge in getting the business up and running was finding a good location and then doing the extensive work needed to soundproof and essentially bulletproof the shooting range.


Don't....don't shooting ranges ALREADY have to be bulletproof?

Because I'd be all over renting a machine gun...but only if the range is SERIOUSLY bulletproof, not just "essentially" bulletproof...


CSB time,

Last weekend went up to visit some family where I grew up and decided to stop by the old gun store I used to frequent with my dad to pick up a Glock 27 since the stores around me have 3 nearly empty display cases and this place has a 50 foot wall of pistols 6 feet tall to chose from. Anyway, brought the wife along and while I was finishing my smoke in the parking lot she asked me about the holes next to sign, hadn't seen them when I was younger, but, yep about 15-20 exit holes on the exterior wall on either side of the sign, right about where the lower corners of the indoor range they have upstairs would be. Looked like a couple of different calibers too, so it probably wasn't some isolated incident. That wall is facing towards the parking lot, a fairly busy street, and a supermarket. Hope like hell they are older holes, but I know where I won't be shooting at.

/end csb time
//Glock 27 and Galco Kingtuk, all day comfort and real firepower.
 
2012-09-10 06:39:38 AM  
img1.fark.net tag? Smitty has obviously never been to Orlando where the one of the biggest draws of European tourists is the indoor gun range on International Drive.
 
2012-09-10 06:50:25 AM  
This is news? There are (or were) at least three such establishments in Vegas. They had a wide variety of select-fire weapons to shoot.

Having fired select-fire weapons before, I was underwhelmed my first (and only) visit. Anyone renting a full-auto weapon is escorted to the lane and only then given the weapon (unloaded). After loading, the escort stands right next to the shooter to intervene if the shooter loses control. The target cannot be farther away than 5 meters, and they hang silhouette targets upside down for some stupid reason.

I had rented a Thompson (box magazine only) and a Sten. When I started shooting (in controlled bursts) the escort kept encouraging me to blast out the entire magazine in one long blast. I curtly told him that was a stupid idea and finished off the magazine the right way.

BTW, the Thompson with the foregrip is a beautiful weapon to shoot. Very easy to control. The Sten was nice, too, but it jammed after eight rounds.
 
2012-09-10 07:00:47 AM  

StrikitRich: Smitty has obviously never been to Orlando where the one of the biggest draws of European tourists is the indoor gun range on International Drive.


This. A friend of mine works for a European company at a site in Colorado. He often takes visitors from the European sites out to the prairie where he does his shooting- along with a bunch of friends with their firearms. The European visitors are always amazed by the diversity of firearms available and the self-imposed safety rules used by everyone at the shoot. They were also amazed by the after-shooting clean-up of the spent brass and other debris.
 
2012-09-10 07:02:18 AM  

Wenchmaster: This is news? There are (or were) at least three such establishments in Vegas. They had a wide variety of select-fire weapons to shoot.

Having fired select-fire weapons before, I was underwhelmed my first (and only) visit. Anyone renting a full-auto weapon is escorted to the lane and only then given the weapon (unloaded). After loading, the escort stands right next to the shooter to intervene if the shooter loses control. The target cannot be farther away than 5 meters, and they hang silhouette targets upside down for some stupid reason.

I had rented a Thompson (box magazine only) and a Sten. When I started shooting (in controlled bursts) the escort kept encouraging me to blast out the entire magazine in one long blast. I curtly told him that was a stupid idea and finished off the magazine the right way.

BTW, the Thompson with the foregrip is a beautiful weapon to shoot. Very easy to control. The Sten was nice, too, but it jammed after eight rounds.


A HK MP5 with a silencer is my favorite weapon. You can damn near sign your name with it. The MAC-10 is my least favorite. It kicks like a mule, and on full auto, the muzzle rise is nearly impossible to control. Even with controlled bursts, it's hard to keep more than a round or two on target.
 
2012-09-10 07:16:24 AM  
There are gun ranges that offer full-auto rentals all over the country. Maybe I'm just weird, but I don't see how this is much more of a story than any other sort of rental place. You might not want a full-auto firearm of your own, just like you wouldn't want the hassle and expense of a horse, a limousine, or a cement mixer, but you want to use one once in a while, and there are rental places for that.

Ideamaster, is that place in Athens The Firing Lane?
 
2012-09-10 07:29:48 AM  

Worldwalker: Maybe I'm just weird, but I don't see how this is much more of a story than any other sort of rental place.


I think these stories pop up when a blogger/reporter comes to realize that machine guns are still legal, through the right channels.

On that note: The Hughes amendment never made any sense. Its like they tried to poison pill the FOPA but, since they didn't know anything about guns, chose the most silly way to do it. They effectively double-banned a weapon mechanism that hasn't been involved in all but a handful of incidents since the 1920's.
While the collectors are probably enjoying the soaring prices of their scrap metal, its got to rank among the most least effective things a congressman has ever gone to the trouble of writing.

It Mystifies me how Hughes and Rangel kept their jobs after doing something so embarrassing.
 
2012-09-10 07:35:49 AM  
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2012-09-10 07:36:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't this what shooting ranges have been doing for ever?


Yea they've been doing this for probably decades now, but I guess it's time to be outraged at something.
 
2012-09-10 07:39:39 AM  
It's not even news in Charleston. There's a range in Summerville that has been doing this for years. Similar prices - in 2008 I went with a friend to try out an MP5. So little recoil, and so controllable that we could draw smiley faces on targets in FA. Shame they're $50,000 or so.

Re: bulletproofing the place: From what I've read, they bought an existing building and had to modify it to make it safe for a range. So yes, you have to make improvements to existing concrete-block construction. Also, NOTHING is bulletproof - just bullet resistant. Somewhere, there's always a bigger bullet :)

On another note, I can't *imagine* the liability insurance premiums they must pay.
 
2012-09-10 07:47:30 AM  
Being this is probably about the only way someone, outside the military, will have a chance to shoot a fully automatic firearm, I don't have a problem with it. New full-autos are illegal (and have been since 1986), older ones (pre-'86) are crazy expensive.
 
2012-09-10 07:54:06 AM  
REPEAL THE HUGHES AMENDMENT!
 
2012-09-10 07:55:29 AM  
way south: ...The Hughes amendment never made any sense. Its like they tried to poison pill the FOPA but, since they didn't know anything about guns, chose the most silly way to do it. They effectively double-banned a weapon mechanism that hasn't been involved in all but a handful of incidents since the 1920's.
While the collectors are probably enjoying the soaring prices of their scrap metal, its got to rank among the most least effective things a congressman has ever gone to the trouble of writing.

It Mystifies me how Hughes and Rangel kept their jobs after doing something so embarrassing.


About that. Why are US gun control advocates such 'tards?
It seems like those of your politicians who dislike guns hate them so much they can't bring themselves to actually learn anything about them or let themselves be guided by experts who. The result is garbled laws about "assault" weapons and the like.

Our UK gun laws are much more stringent but the politico obviously got expert advice when writing them because there are NO loopholes there: Centrefire rifles and pistols are illegal*, end of.

*For citizens of course. Police have them.

And how is that UMP legal? I thought that US legal full autos had to be legal before 1985 or something and the UMP is a modern design. Or does that vary state to state or something.

/UMP UMP UMP UMP
// I like UMPing.
 
2012-09-10 08:09:42 AM  

ethics-gradient: And how is that UMP legal? I thought that US legal full autos had to be legal before 1985 or something and the UMP is a modern design.


Full-auto dealers (also known as Special Occupational Taxpayers) can purchase newly manufactured full auto firearms for demonstration or sale to government agencies (like local police agencies).
 
2012-09-10 08:13:07 AM  

ethics-gradient: Our UK gun laws are much more stringent but the politico obviously got expert advice when writing them because there are NO loopholes there: Centrefire rifles and pistols are illegal*, end of.


Hard to ban something completely when you're forbidden from doing so.

Doesn't mean they don't try.
 
2012-09-10 08:16:15 AM  

ethics-gradient: Our UK gun laws are much more stringent but the politico obviously got expert advice when writing them because there are NO loopholes there: Centrefire rifles and pistols are illegal*, end of.


Center-fire rifles aren't illegal in the UK, unless they are semi-auto or pump-action.
 
2012-09-10 08:19:21 AM  
ho-hum


Dear diary-
no news today-stirred up some tree hugger rage instead.
If things don't improve I'll write a piece on PETA tomorrow.
 
2012-09-10 08:22:03 AM  
I have one NFA item (suppressor, took me 6 months to get, a Silencerco Stainless Sparrow.) It's ludicrous they're regulated. Many countries with far more stringent gun laws than we have don't even regulate them.
 
2012-09-10 08:26:57 AM  

topcon: I have one NFA item (suppressor, took me 6 months to get, a Silencerco Stainless Sparrow.) It's ludicrous they're regulated. Many countries with far more stringent gun laws than we have don't even regulate them.


Companies like Advanced Armament are doing grassroots campaigns to educate the public. Suppressors aren't just for cool spy movies, they help reduce recoil and noise so people can practice marksmanship without wearing themselves out so much.
 
2012-09-10 08:32:06 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: topcon: I have one NFA item (suppressor, took me 6 months to get, a Silencerco Stainless Sparrow.) It's ludicrous they're regulated. Many countries with far more stringent gun laws than we have don't even regulate them.

Companies like Advanced Armament are doing grassroots campaigns to educate the public. Suppressors aren't just for cool spy movies, they help reduce recoil and noise so people can practice marksmanship without wearing themselves out so much.


Yep. Suppressors should be removed totally from the NFA. Or, if we *MUST* keep them on it, reclass them as AOWs
 
2012-09-10 08:35:18 AM  

BigBooper: kendelrio: BigBooper: //showing cops proper burst fire techniques when your 13 is a lot of fun


When your 13 does what?

I think it was obvious what I was talking about.

/the size of my male reproductive organ


13 cm isn't really something to get all excited about. Nothing to be ashamed of, but not particularly remarkable. You could always call it your "Lucky 13" and play up the cute angle.

/gun rhymes with fun
//that's no accident.
 
2012-09-10 08:48:42 AM  
The Guns and Ammo Store in Las Vegas have been doing this forever. If I remember correctly they even advertised it at the bus stops.
 
2012-09-10 08:49:32 AM  
When Knob Creek Gun Range near Fort Knox has their semi-annual shoot, you can actually rent mini-guns.
 
2012-09-10 08:51:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't this what shooting ranges have been doing for ever?


========

Yes. I was at a range where rental MGs were mounted on tripods that were fixed so the gun could only be pointed downrange.
 
2012-09-10 08:55:36 AM  
ethics-gradient: Centrefire rifles and pistols are illegal*, end of.

dittybopper:Center-fire rifles aren't illegal in the UK, unless they are semi-auto or pump-action.

Doh! Yes you're right and no I didn't proof read before posting.

topcon: (suppressor, took me 6 months to get, a Silencerco Stainless Sparrow.) It's ludicrous they're regulated. Many countries with far more stringent gun laws than we have don't even regulate them
Tat'dGreaser: Suppressors aren't just for cool spy movies, they help reduce recoil and noise so people can practice marksmanship without wearing themselves out so much.


Yes we can get them here on a firearms certificate in the UK, the police actually prefer them in some cases. My goal is to a get a Smith & Wesson .22 M&P with suppressor as it won't scare the animals (or neighbours) and then i can be vewy vewy quiet whilst I hunt wabbits.
 
2012-09-10 08:56:08 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I see not a single photo of a machine gun in that article.


Legally, any firearm capable of discharging more than one round in sequence per single trigger pull is a "machine gun".
 
2012-09-10 08:57:54 AM  

Buffet: This could come in handy if one gets pulled over! ("I don't think I WANT a ticket today pig boy")


Why would you be driving in a gun range?
 
2012-09-10 08:58:22 AM  
If only this were incorporated into a high school field trip. Probably wouldn't have skipped classes so much.

Seriously, I get confused as to why the lefties get angry when the righties want to quash sex education, but then
act the same way about firearms education. Same thing. Take the mystery out of it and most will less likely want to experiment.

Both sides need to realize that education of ANY kind is good to overall health of society.

Have friends with silencers. After playing with the "silenced" weapons, It was OK but not worth the hassle of ownership.
I just bought a pellet rifle. Just as quiet and cheaper. 

Time for another cup of coffee.
 
2012-09-10 08:59:55 AM  

Wenchmaster: BTW, the Thompson with the foregrip is a beautiful weapon to shoot. Very easy to control.


I believe that I am experiencing "jealousy".

/wants a Thompson
//will never be able to afford a real one.
 
2012-09-10 09:03:30 AM  

ethics-gradient: About that. Why are US gun control advocates such 'tards?


For the same reason that creationists are "such 'tards": they believe themselves experts upon a subject on which they actually are wholly ignorant, thus they feel no need to educate themselves.
 
2012-09-10 09:28:08 AM  
ethics-gradient: About that. Why are US gun control advocates such 'tards?

Dimensio: For the same reason that creationists are "such 'tards": they believe themselves experts upon a subject on which they actually are wholly ignorant, thus they feel no need to educate themselves.

Bears repeating.
 
2012-09-10 09:29:22 AM  

ethics-gradient: way south: ...The Hughes amendment never made any sense. Its like they tried to poison pill the FOPA but, since they didn't know anything about guns, chose the most silly way to do it. They effectively double-banned a weapon mechanism that hasn't been involved in all but a handful of incidents since the 1920's.
While the collectors are probably enjoying the soaring prices of their scrap metal, its got to rank among the most least effective things a congressman has ever gone to the trouble of writing.

It Mystifies me how Hughes and Rangel kept their jobs after doing something so embarrassing.


About that. Why are US gun control advocates such 'tards?
It seems like those of your politicians who dislike guns hate them so much they can't bring themselves to actually learn anything about them or let themselves be guided by experts who. The result is garbled laws about "assault" weapons and the like.


Point of information: Charles Rangel was a decorated soldier who served in combat in Korea.

Carry on.
 
2012-09-10 09:31:09 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Perkins said the biggest challenge in getting the business up and running was finding a good location and then doing the extensive work needed to soundproof and essentially bulletproof the shooting range.


Don't....don't shooting ranges ALREADY have to be bulletproof?

Because I'd be all over renting a machine gun...but only if the range is SERIOUSLY bulletproof, not just "essentially" bulletproof...


If I remember correctly, when shooting high volumes, sand isn't enough. I guess the bullets eventually pile up in the sand to make a lead/copper lump that bullets ricochet off of just like a wall. I'm not an expert tho, so don't quote me.
 
2012-09-10 09:32:32 AM  
It's perfectly acceptable to refer to anything that shoots fully automatic as a "machinegun," and that is also the word used in legal matters and paperwork regarding them. So while some of those guns are "assault rifles," they're also machineguns.
 
2012-09-10 09:35:30 AM  

Not_Todd: When Knob Creek Gun Range near Fort Knox has their semi-annual shoot, you can actually rent mini-guns.


This. Its outdoors. If you pay enough you can take the helicopter ride and use an minigun on old cars. Frigging awesome to watch, got to imagine even better in person.
 
2012-09-10 09:43:03 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Perkins said the biggest challenge in getting the business up and running was finding a good location and then doing the extensive work needed to soundproof and essentially bulletproof the shooting range.


Don't....don't shooting ranges ALREADY have to be bulletproof?

Because I'd be all over renting a machine gun...but only if the range is SERIOUSLY bulletproof, not just "essentially" bulletproof...


I suspect the bulletproofing has to cover a wider angle than normal.

dittybopper: Tat'dGreaser: topcon: I have one NFA item (suppressor, took me 6 months to get, a Silencerco Stainless Sparrow.) It's ludicrous they're regulated. Many countries with far more stringent gun laws than we have don't even regulate them.

Companies like Advanced Armament are doing grassroots campaigns to educate the public. Suppressors aren't just for cool spy movies, they help reduce recoil and noise so people can practice marksmanship without wearing themselves out so much.

Yep. Suppressors should be removed totally from the NFA. Or, if we *MUST* keep them on it, reclass them as AOWs


Or perhaps change the regulations--instead of regulating *ALL* suppressors only regulate those that bring the volume below some threshold. Bringing the noise below the point of needing ear protection isn't going to be enough to be of use to a criminal.
 
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