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2012-09-10 01:32:14 AM  
FTFA: a female hyena must urinate, copulate, and give birth through her pseudopenis

Some things are just too painful to think about...
 
2012-09-10 02:22:52 AM  
I was expecting the story of the father who wants to be a LaLeche League coach.

But now I recall that he doesn't have a penis.
 
2012-09-10 05:57:52 AM  
Hyena on hyena is NSFW?
 
2012-09-10 05:58:28 AM  
Allow me to translate to Finnish...
static.northpole.fi
 
2012-09-10 06:00:27 AM  
This just in: gene mutations are a common occurrence
 
2012-09-10 07:13:12 AM  
Stranger still, a female hyena must urinate, copulate, and give birth through her pseudopenis.

OH HELL NO
 
2012-09-10 07:13:48 AM  

SnarfVader: Hyena on hyena is NSFW?


Hey now. This is no laughing matter.
 
2012-09-10 07:14:48 AM  
So very glad there was not a pic of a nursing bottle in the shape of a peener.
 
2012-09-10 07:17:45 AM  

KrispyKritter: So very glad there was not a pic of a nursing bottle in the shape of a peener.


Better Idea
 
2012-09-10 07:25:40 AM  

SnarfVader: Hyena on hyena is NSFW?


Holy hairy humping hyenas!
 
2012-09-10 07:39:27 AM  
FTFA: Female college graduates are hired more often than male graduates, for instance, but earn 17 percent less than their male counterparts.

Well.... no shiat! Of course they're hired in greater numbers, they are willing to work for 17% less.
 
2012-09-10 07:51:37 AM  
Weird I just assumed cops pulled women over more, hell I would if I were a cop! And the gf gets pulled over all the time, we had to file a complaint against one cop, scarier part was he was later sent to jail for stalking a woman he pulled over.
 
2012-09-10 08:06:24 AM  
I will make you read this in Whoopi Goldberg's voice.
www.wearysloth.com
The spotted hyena may have one of the most arresting sexual incongruities in the animal kingdom. Female hyenas possess what scientists call "pseudopenises," since they so closely mimic male penises. These female organs are fully erectile, can be up to seven inches long, and are accompanied by a "pseudoscrotum." Stranger still, a female hyena must urinate, copulate, and give birth through her pseudopenis. No wonder that, for centuries, people thought hyenas were hermaphrodites-watching a mom with a large penis nurse her babies can be a little confusing.
 
2012-09-10 08:17:55 AM  

RatOmeter: SnarfVader: Hyena on hyena is NSFW?

Holy hairy humping hyenas!


You forgot the "Batman" at the end.
 
2012-09-10 08:41:40 AM  
i21.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-10 08:51:45 AM  
media.ebaumsworld.com
 
2012-09-10 08:53:55 AM  
Sometimes, it better NOT to click the link...
 
2012-09-10 09:53:00 AM  
 
2012-09-10 10:13:06 AM  
Man, even a lady hyena has a bigger dick than me? fml.
 
2012-09-10 10:27:19 AM  
What a psuedo penis might look like.
graphics7.nytimes.com
 
2012-09-10 11:02:16 AM  
So, the animal kingdom has futanari?
 
2012-09-10 11:30:41 AM  

Lanadapter: So, the animal kingdom has futanari?


I sense a trap.
 
2012-09-10 11:32:53 AM  
Obviously, Subby had a disturbing childhood, watching his mom raise his siblings like that...
 
2012-09-10 11:47:01 AM  
Well, that 'splains Chyna.
 
2012-09-10 12:05:31 PM  
Docking?

Also came to mention that of course women college graduates are hired at a higher rate if they're being paid less. Between equally qualified workers, which one would you hire?
 
2012-09-10 12:08:08 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: a female hyena must urinate, copulate, and give birth through her pseudopenis

Some things are just too painful to think about...



If that's not terrifying enough consider that a psuedopenis is actually a modified clitoris.

Wrap your brain around that for a bit.

And if you have Netflix (and the stomach for it) you can watch an actual hyena birth on season 2 episode 19 of Weird, True and Freaky.
 
2012-09-10 12:27:37 PM  
FTA:

In humans, males have penises, an X and a Y chromosome, and generally lower voices and higher amounts of body hair. Vaginas, two X chromosomes, and the ability to lactate and to menstruate are sex characteristics usually belonging to females.

Gender, meanwhile, is a sociological construct. Most often, the term "gender" describes how men and women fulfill certain cultural norms defined by their sex. The World Health Organization says that gender "refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.


So, e.g., a boy who wants to play with dolls and wear dresses might well be "transgender." But there's no such thing as a "transsexual," only someone with a non-traditional gender identity accompanied by a cognitive dysfunction. IMHO proper treatment would be teaching the person that having a gender role different than what Society expects of your sex is perfectly okay, so surgery is not called for. And anyway "reassignment" surgery would not result in a genuine sex change: you can't change a person's sex any more than you can cure Down's Syndrome as both are determined by chromosomes before birth.

Society must change, not the individual. Stand up for your right to be a sissy.
 
2012-09-10 01:17:05 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: Well, that 'splains Chyna.


Henceforth, she shall be referred to as "Chyena"
 
2012-09-10 01:18:22 PM  
Does it wear a gourd?

/penis gourd
 
2012-09-10 02:15:17 PM  
cloacal kiss ... hmmmmmmmmm
 
2012-09-10 02:37:00 PM  
LOL, I thought it was going to be something about Thaliland. Then I saw the link was from Ars Technica and thought it had to do with new Lego robots.
 
2012-09-10 04:17:08 PM  
i1222.photobucket.com 
Unavailable for comment.

/will also probably be yanked by the squeamish pussies of photobucket
 
2012-09-10 04:57:15 PM  

serial arseonist: Optimal_Illusion: Well, that 'splains Chyna.

Henceforth, she shall be referred to as "Chyena"


cdn.uproxx.com
*rimshot*
 
2012-09-10 04:59:52 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: serial arseonist: Optimal_Illusion: Well, that 'splains Chyna.

Henceforth, she shall be referred to as "Chyena"

[cdn.uproxx.com image 500x281]
*rimshot*


i1003.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-10 07:23:07 PM  

The One True TheDavid: FTA:

In humans, males have penises, an X and a Y chromosome, and generally lower voices and higher amounts of body hair. Vaginas, two X chromosomes, and the ability to lactate and to menstruate are sex characteristics usually belonging to females.

Gender, meanwhile, is a sociological construct. Most often, the term "gender" describes how men and women fulfill certain cultural norms defined by their sex. The World Health Organization says that gender "refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

So, e.g., a boy who wants to play with dolls and wear dresses might well be "transgender." But there's no such thing as a "transsexual," only someone with a non-traditional gender identity accompanied by a cognitive dysfunction. IMHO proper treatment would be teaching the person that having a gender role different than what Society expects of your sex is perfectly okay, so surgery is not called for. And anyway "reassignment" surgery would not result in a genuine sex change: you can't change a person's sex any more than you can cure Down's Syndrome as both are determined by chromosomes before birth.

Society must change, not the individual. Stand up for your right to be a sissy.


Actually, no. Many trans* people are born feeling that it is their body that is not right, and gender roles have nothing to do with it. Their body doesn't match up with who they are. They are men - they don't want breasts and a vagina, they want a penis (though given how bottom surgery for FtM is really bad at the moment, most use prosthetics), or they are women, and don't want a penis. In the case of trans* people it is entirely about sex. There is a fundamental brain-body mismatch. Gender roles are irrelevant - the body is what's wrong. And science bears this out - unlike in genderqueer people, or those who prefer to blur gender roles, trans* people display the brain structures/highlights of the sex they identify with. A transwoman's brain will function/appear like that of a woman in scans, and vice versa.

Transgender is more than playing with dolls and wanting dresses in a boy. It's more than a girl liking sports and cutting her hair short. It is a fundamental disconnect between mind and body. Transwomen aren't trying to be women, they ARE women - their body just needs to be changed to match.

\Have several trans* friends
\\ Better it's me saying this than some of them, as I'm being significantly nicer about it
\\\ Actually do some reading about this before spouting off on your high horse
 
2012-09-10 10:25:00 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7317714/79289533#c79289533" target="_blank">madanimalscientist</a>:</b> <i>

Many trans* people are born feeling that it is their body that is not right, and gender roles have nothing to do with it. </i>

It's simply not possible to be born with that opinion, or any opinion.

<i>Their body doesn't match up with who they are.</i>

With who they THINK and FEEL they are.


<i> They are men - they don't want breasts and a vagina, they want a penis ... or they are women, and don't want a penis.</i>

They are delusional. Mentally ill. There might be a neurological and hormonal component, everything involving thinking and feeling is bound to have some kind of neurological or homonal component, but in this case they are mistaken: if you are born XY and with a penis you are male, and if you are born XX and with a vagina you are female, and nothing you think or feel will change that anatomical fact.

<i> In the case of trans* people it is entirely about sex. There is a fundamental brain-body mismatch.</i>

They think, feel and say so. Some people think, feel and say they saw Jesus walk on water. Others think, feel and say clutching a snail shell really hard cured their cancer. People can wrong in many ways.


<i> Gender roles are irrelevant - the body is what's wrong. </i>

I would say that what is wrong is they're lacking the strength to go through life with a gender identity that does not match what Society expects of someone with their anatomy.

Look, I've been through this before: these are people who are weak, deluded and desperate, and it's simply shameful that there is a whole industry of surgeons and other professionals that prey on these people, reinforcing their delusions and mutilating their bodies for money. And of course they can produce the best advertising -- a.k.a. "scientific studies" -- that money can buy, as part of doing business.

If you're talking about real science and real scientific studies, for the past 40-odd years they've been going back & forth over whether high cholesterol necessarily leads to heart disease. If they can't resolve something that simple in 40 years surely they can't possibly know that there is a "brain-body mismatch" that should be "corrected" by permanent surgery: whatever is "orthodox truth" this decade will likely be "OOPS, we goofed!" a few years later -- leaving in its wake an awful lot of mutilated and still unhappy people.

All I'm saying is people should dress as they want, act as they want, call themselves as they want, but forgo anything that will have irreversible effects. This rules out high doses of "opposite sex" hormones for a prolonged period and especially surgery.

And no matter what you do if you're born XY with a penis you will never be a woman. The best you'll manage is an expensive parody.

Of course they won't listen. I didn't listen when I was sure the CIA was out to get me. Nevertheless it greatly credits the people around me that they told me I was babbling nonsense -- instead of taking advantage of my delusions for their personal and monetary benefit.

There might be no way to "fix" these people who are convinced they're "transsexual." Yet it remains our moral obligation to avoid farking them up worse by helping them commit terrible harm to themselves.
 
2012-09-11 12:39:11 AM  
Boy, you'd think an article like this would say *something* about brain sex and transgenderism, wouldn't you?
 
2012-09-11 12:49:22 AM  

madanimalscientist: Transgender is more than playing with dolls and wanting dresses in a boy. It's more than a girl liking sports and cutting her hair short. It is a fundamental disconnect between mind and body. Transwomen aren't trying to be women, they ARE women - their body just needs to be changed to match.


I've gradually realised -- and it now seems obvious, so I don't know why it took so long to figure out -- that people have what I might term a two-tier apprehension of scientific knowledge, based mostly on when they learn something.

What I keep seeing in threads involving gender identity is a more or less essentialist (such-and-such is an unquestioned *fact* forming the basis of belief and argument) that I realise now extends from school education. Kids are taught in school that XY = male/man and XX = female/woman. So discussion of gender identity issues they hear years later seem nonsensical, because they appear to contradict that earlier teaching. Which they do, to some extent. But it's because that early teaching is necessarily simplistic and incomplete. For reasons I don't grasp, many people seem to believe that what they learned in pre-college schooling is not only necessarily accurate, but also complete. It is indeed usually (but not always) accurate, but it is almost never even close to complete. This is just one example, and one that keeps showing up in threads like this.

People literally do not understand the concept of brain sex, as distinguished from body sex, or how or why either or both may not completely line up with chromosome pairs the way we were all taught in school. That's a layer of complexity that school really doesn't have time or much reason to explore, so they don't. *Most* people with an XY karyotype will turn out typically male, and *most* people with the XX will turn out female. But not all. People think this chromosome typing is like a light switch, which can only do one of two things. They don't understand -- because they are not taught, unless they take up the more detailed study in college -- that chromosomes dictate, but do not control. The instructions can be and sometimes are munged along the way, by any of countless factors. They are rarely taught that human embryos are morphologically sexless, that we all start off as hermaphrodites, that the glans of the penis and the clitoris are the same structure, that the scrotom is made from joined labia, and so on.

Hence, all this needless confusion and debate. And frankly, at least in my opinion, TFA isn't helping a whole lot here.
 
2012-09-11 12:53:01 AM  

Meatybrain: [i1222.photobucket.com image 446x562] 
Unavailable for comment.

/will also probably be yanked by the squeamish pussies of photobucket


Okay, I'll take the hit. Who?

/fears what's coming, but what the hey, the mosaic compels me.
 
2012-09-11 02:03:23 AM  

Optimal_Illusion: Meatybrain: [i1222.photobucket.com image 446x562] 
Unavailable for comment.

/will also probably be yanked by the squeamish pussies of photobucket

Okay, I'll take the hit. Who?

/fears what's coming, but what the hey, the mosaic compels me.


No idea, but it looks like it at least used to be a real girl, only with a clit the size of an adolescent skink.
 
2012-09-11 03:42:47 AM  
*clicks* What? It's about hyenas? Now what am I gonna do about this half-chub?
 
2012-09-11 07:53:31 PM  

The One True TheDavid: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7317714/79289533#c79289533" target="_blank">madanimalscientist</a>:</b> <i>

Many trans* people are born feeling that it is their body that is not right, and gender roles have nothing to do with it. </i>

It's simply not possible to be born with that opinion, or any opinion.

<i>Their body doesn't match up with who they are.</i>

With who they THINK and FEEL they are.


<i> They are men - they don't want breasts and a vagina, they want a penis ... or they are women, and don't want a penis.</i>

They are delusional. Mentally ill. There might be a neurological and hormonal component, everything involving thinking and feeling is bound to have some kind of neurological or homonal component, but in this case they are mistaken: if you are born XY and with a penis you are male, and if you are born XX and with a vagina you are female, and nothing you think or feel will change that anatomical fact.

<i> In the case of trans* people it is entirely about sex. There is a fundamental brain-body mismatch.</i>

They think, feel and say so. Some people think, feel and say they saw Jesus walk on water. Others think, feel and say clutching a snail shell really hard cured their cancer. People can wrong in many ways.


<i> Gender roles are irrelevant - the body is what's wrong. </i>

I would say that what is wrong is they're lacking the strength to go through life with a gender identity that does not match what Society expects of someone with their anatomy.

Look, I've been through this before: these are people who are weak, deluded and desperate, and it's simply shameful that there is a whole industry of surgeons and other professionals that prey on these people, reinforcing their delusions and mutilating their bodies for money. And of course they can produce the best advertising -- a.k.a. "scientific studies" -- that money can buy, as part of doing business.
...


As a a transgender person who isn't mentally ill, delusional, weak, or desperate all I have to say to you is STFU and GTFO.
 
2012-09-11 08:10:48 PM  

madanimalscientist: The One True TheDavid: FTA:

In humans, males have penises, an X and a Y chromosome, and generally lower voices and higher amounts of body hair. Vaginas, two X chromosomes, and the ability to lactate and to menstruate are sex characteristics usually belonging to females.

Gender, meanwhile, is a sociological construct. Most often, the term "gender" describes how men and women fulfill certain cultural norms defined by their sex. The World Health Organization says that gender "refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

So, e.g., a boy who wants to play with dolls and wear dresses might well be "transgender." But there's no such thing as a "transsexual," only someone with a non-traditional gender identity accompanied by a cognitive dysfunction. IMHO proper treatment would be teaching the person that having a gender role different than what Society expects of your sex is perfectly okay, so surgery is not called for. And anyway "reassignment" surgery would not result in a genuine sex change: you can't change a person's sex any more than you can cure Down's Syndrome as both are determined by chromosomes before birth.

Society must change, not the individual. Stand up for your right to be a sissy.

Actually, no. Many trans* people are born feeling that it is their body that is not right, and gender roles have nothing to do with it. Their body doesn't match up with who they are. They are men - they don't want breasts and a vagina, they want a penis (though given how bottom surgery for FtM is really bad at the moment, most use prosthetics), or they are women, and don't want a penis. In the case of trans* people it is entirely about sex. There is a fundamental brain-body mismatch. Gender roles are irrelevant - the body is what's wrong. And science bears this out - unlike in genderqueer people, or those who prefer to blur gender roles, trans* people display the brain struc ...


Actually I would argue that gender roles aren't irrelevant. I'm a non-op trans person and I'm still a woman regardless of the status of my genitals. I never felt compelled to undergo SRS and don't think it's the right choice for me. I'd argue that both aspects are important since there are things about my body I would want to change, however, I never felt that overwhelming urge to surgically alter parts of my body. It has had more to do with self-empowerment and just generally being comfortable in my own skin and in my interactions with others. Not all transgender people are body dysmorphic some of us are pretty happy with the parts we came with.
 
2012-09-12 02:49:34 AM  

Nem Wan: I will make you read this in Whoopi Goldberg's voice.
[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]
The spotted hyena may have one of the most arresting sexual incongruities in the animal kingdom. Female hyenas possess what scientists call "pseudopenises," since they so closely mimic male penises. These female organs are fully erectile, can be up to seven inches long, and are accompanied by a "pseudoscrotum." Stranger still, a female hyena must urinate, copulate, and give birth through her pseudopenis. No wonder that, for centuries, people thought hyenas were hermaphrodites-watching a mom with a large penis nurse her babies can be a little confusing.


Damn you, I'll won't be able to see "Sister Act" for a long while without thinking that she's packing under her habit.
 
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