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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Many of Florida's November ballots to be the most complicated ever: 10 pages long, five pages front-and-back, printed in English, Spanish and Creole. What could possibly go wrong?   (tampabay.com) divider line 163
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2012-09-10 02:10:05 AM

Don't worry. We're ready this time.


www.mediabistro.com

 
2012-09-10 02:11:17 AM
Here we go again...
 
2012-09-10 02:11:22 AM
retiredrambler.typepad.com
 
2012-09-10 02:11:58 AM
dammit
 
2012-09-10 02:12:08 AM
Elections officials don't like to say it publicly, but they have agreements with the U.S. Postal Service to pay for postage due on ballot envelopes.

Yeah, perhaps we should be pointing this out.
 
2012-09-10 02:12:25 AM
retiredrambler.typepad.com
 
2012-09-10 02:12:51 AM
If the Legislature determines that a rule has been readopted and repeals the readopted rule, this proposed revision prohibits the court from further readopting the repealed rule without the Legislature's prior approval

I wonder how that reads in Creole.
 
2012-09-10 02:13:05 AM
I am not saying that English should be the official language, it you want to go to the polls you can be bi-lingual assistance.

But the ballots should only be printed in English.
 
2012-09-10 02:13:06 AM
Holy crap that was funny. Instantly this is a thread forced to repeat this picture... .... I command it?

www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-09-10 02:13:45 AM
Florida defends it's tag.
 
2012-09-10 02:14:37 AM
Really? I'm the first?

www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-09-10 02:15:26 AM
www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-09-10 02:15:55 AM
i wouldn't mind taking away florida's voting rights

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-10 02:16:17 AM
I have a great idea. Let's design a ballot so convoluted that the directions alone take up half of a page. Then, let's give that ballot to old people; it's not like they are easy to confuse.

/ why can't all the ballots be on the same scan-tron stuff that standardized test answer thingyes come on?
 
2012-09-10 02:16:25 AM
There are 11 proposed state constitutional amendments.

I am voting no on all of them. The proper way to change laws is through legislation not constitution amendment. Florida has a constitutional amendment about the size of pig cages. While I am not in favor of caging pigs in tiny cages, I think we need more responsive legislators not more constitutional amendments.

That could be the reason I've lost every time I stood for elected public office.
 
2012-09-10 02:17:21 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-10 02:17:58 AM

Enemabag Jones: But the ballots should only be printed in English.


So... we should "Americanize" some of the foreign-sounding names?

For Senator, Mark Rubio?

And how the heck do you Americanize

media.washingtonpost.com


"Alcee" Hastings?
 
2012-09-10 02:18:58 AM
Butterflies?
 
2012-09-10 02:19:00 AM
Shouldn't be too hard a problem. All ballots should be strictly in English.
 
2012-09-10 02:20:45 AM

Enemabag Jones: I am not saying that English should be the official language, it you want to go to the polls you can be bi-lingual assistance.

But the ballots should only be printed in English.


But; that would disenfranchise the illegal immigrants! Surely, those who aren't actually able to legally vote deserve a voice.

/ flame on

// I Keed, I keed
 
2012-09-10 02:21:07 AM

feckingmorons: Florida has a constitutional amendment about the size of pig cages.


Could be worse, I mean they could want to ensure you don't have to cook dinner for any wayward servicemembers that come to your house hungry.
 
2012-09-10 02:21:11 AM
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we'll be lucky to live through it.

blogging.la

Lizard People FTW
 
2012-09-10 02:24:09 AM
ox45tallboy
Enemabag Jones: But the ballots should only be printed in English.
So... we should "Americanize" some of the foreign-sounding names?
For Senator, Mark Rubio?
And how the heck do you Americanize
"Alcee" Hastings?


I am not talking about changing names, I am not talking about people having to integrate and loose their heritage or even speak any specific language in their homes.

Assistance can be provided at the polls if some neighborhoods require that, but the instructions are in farking English.
 
2012-09-10 02:24:11 AM
Anybody else remember the picture of the bug-eyed guy lifting his glasses to examine a dimpled chad?
/that picture kick started puberty for me.
//not really. Gross!
 
2012-09-10 02:25:41 AM

ox45tallboy: Enemabag Jones: But the ballots should only be printed in English.

So... we should "Americanize" some of the foreign-sounding names?

For Senator, Mark Rubio?

And how the heck do you Americanize

[media.washingtonpost.com image 226x276]

"Alcee" Hastings?


Alcee Hastings was impeached and removed from office for criminal behavior. He can never be a judge again. They elected him as a representative. He is scum.
 
2012-09-10 02:27:15 AM

ox45tallboy: feckingmorons: Florida has a constitutional amendment about the size of pig cages.

Could be worse, I mean they could want to ensure you don't have to cook dinner for any wayward servicemembers that come to your house hungry.


I'd do that voluntarily, then it is not a violation of the Third Amendment.
 
2012-09-10 02:29:54 AM

Enemabag Jones: I am not talking about changing names, I am not talking about people having to integrate and loose their heritage or even speak any specific language in their homes.

Assistance can be provided at the polls if some neighborhoods require that, but the instructions are in farking English.


I was being facetious. My point was, how farking complex do ballot instructions need to be? And if they do need to be complex, then doesn't that indicate a larger problem? I think most Spanish speaking people will be fine with "President" instead of "Presidente", so the real problem is that the instructions themselves are too complex to be easily understood because the voting process itself is overly complex.

Shouldn't more work be placed into making voting easier for even the English-speaking people?
 
2012-09-10 02:30:11 AM

Enemabag Jones: ox45tallboy
Enemabag Jones: But the ballots should only be printed in English.
So... we should "Americanize" some of the foreign-sounding names?
For Senator, Mark Rubio?
And how the heck do you Americanize
"Alcee" Hastings?

I am not talking about changing names, I am not talking about people having to integrate and loose their heritage or even speak any specific language in their homes.

Assistance can be provided at the polls if some neighborhoods require that, but the instructions are in farking English.


So what does Obama or Romney translate to in Spanish?

I have no problem with the proposed amendments being in Spanish or Haitian creole. Heck they make no sense in English and I've got a law degree.

No seems to be the default to me, if there is no compelling reason to change it leave it alone.
 
2012-09-10 02:30:27 AM

iheartscotch: Enemabag Jones: I am not saying that English should be the official language, it you want to go to the polls you can be bi-lingual assistance.

But the ballots should only be printed in English.

But; that would disenfranchise the illegal immigrants! Surely, those who aren't actually able to legally vote deserve a voice.

/ flame on

// I Keed, I keed


A great way to make slavery legal again.
 
2012-09-10 02:31:42 AM
What could possibly go wrong? They could end up electing one of the crooked motherfarkers on the ballot.

Creole? Really?
 
2012-09-10 02:32:19 AM

Enemabag Jones: I am not saying that English should be the official language, it you want to go to the polls you can be bi-lingual assistance.

But the ballots should only be printed in English.


So you don't get the benefit of a secret ballot unless you're part of the majority?
 
2012-09-10 02:32:27 AM

feckingmorons: Alcee Hastings was impeached and removed from office for criminal behavior. He can never be a judge again. They elected him as a representative. He is scum.


i.huffpost.com
"See, that's what I'm talking about. How the hell can the Democrats put up a candidate like him and expect to be taken seriously?"
 
2012-09-10 02:32:44 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-10 02:34:38 AM
Who is this bad news for....?
 
2012-09-10 02:35:11 AM

iheartscotch: I have a great idea. Let's design a ballot so convoluted that the directions alone take up half of a page. Then, let's give that ballot to old people; it's not like they are easy to confuse.

/ why can't all the ballots be on the same scan-tron stuff that standardized test answer thingyes come on?


Great question. I've never heard an answer to this that made a lick of sense.
 
2012-09-10 02:35:49 AM

feckingmorons: I'd do that voluntarily, then it is not a violation of the Third Amendment.


Even if they're rude, won't help with the dishes, grope your daughter, and take the last biscuit? Those were some of the reasons the Founding Fathers decided this was an important enough issue to rate a Constitutional Amendment. Although it seems rather silly nowadays, one could argue that its existence as a part of the Bill of Rights kept that sort of behavior from ever becoming an issue.
 
2012-09-10 02:38:38 AM

sanriosucks: Creole? Really?


learntocookvideos.com
"And den, afta I fry up dis here chicken, I'ma gonna go vote for de pre-suh-dent, das what I'ma gonna did!"
 
2012-09-10 02:39:51 AM
GhostFish
Enemabag Jones: I am not saying that English should be the official language, it you want to go to the polls you can be bi-lingual assistance.
But the ballots should only be printed in English.
So you don't get the benefit of a secret ballot unless you're part of the majority?


No, there could be a pretend ballot with pretend candidates that could be used to explain the process, then inside the curtain they do it privately. Little how-to's could be put together at the neighborhood in question for whatever languages are needed.

If they don't know English well enough work through that then they need to study harder. It is a reminder that you might be failing at life if you realize you are living in that country and can't function on a simple level their outside your little enclave.

/Propositions I didn't really think about in this matter.
 
2012-09-10 02:41:36 AM

Philbb: iheartscotch: I have a great idea. Let's design a ballot so convoluted that the directions alone take up half of a page. Then, let's give that ballot to old people; it's not like they are easy to confuse.

/ why can't all the ballots be on the same scan-tron stuff that standardized test answer thingyes come on?

Great question. I've never heard an answer to this that made a lick of sense.


That is how my recent ballots in Florida have been. It's a matter of filling in a circle with a black pen, with the relevant circles directly beneath the details of the particular initiative/measure/race/whatever.
 
2012-09-10 02:42:35 AM
can I get a whole bowl of facepalm up in this biatch?
 
2012-09-10 02:44:04 AM
This is a Florida Politics thread? Then I just came to say fark RHONDA STORMS.
 
2012-09-10 02:44:50 AM
www.mediabistro.com

Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.
 
2012-09-10 02:49:10 AM
Wtf?

40+ posts and no mention of either hovercrafts or eels?!

/my nipples are not exploding with delight.
 
2012-09-10 02:49:59 AM

ox45tallboy:

Shouldn't more work be placed into making voting easier for even the English-speaking people?


That I totally agree with, it just gets nasty when you are dealing with changes to law.

"Obama" and "Romney" translate perfectly to "Obama" and "Romney" in other languages, but a paragraph long constitutional amendment may not be possible to translate, be translated poorly, or even skewed by the bias of the translator. I just hope the directions and text are vetted well by non-partisan lawyers who are native speakers of the languages in question.
 
2012-09-10 02:55:01 AM

iheartscotch: I have a great idea. Let's design a ballot so convoluted that the directions alone take up half of a page. Then, let's give that ballot to old people; it's not like they are easy to confuse.

/ why can't all the ballots be on the same scan-tron stuff that standardized test answer thingyes come on?


In my area, they are, no joke :3 Still would prefer something involving marking a big X and putting it in a ballot box a la Canada, but at least (unlike purely electronic voting systems) it IS confirmable by hand if necessary.
 
2012-09-10 02:57:21 AM
abcnews.go.com

It's alright, I could tell what they INTENDED to vote.

loreleijames.com
'Hanging Chad' is my stage name.
Pole worker! Bam! Euphemism.
 
2012-09-10 02:57:47 AM

ox45tallboy: feckingmorons: I'd do that voluntarily, then it is not a violation of the Third Amendment.

Even if they're rude, won't help with the dishes, grope your daughter, and take the last biscuit? Those were some of the reasons the Founding Fathers decided this was an important enough issue to rate a Constitutional Amendment. Although it seems rather silly nowadays, one could argue that its existence as a part of the Bill of Rights kept that sort of behavior from ever becoming an issue.


Yeah, but pig crates? Really? We have alternatives through legislation like the normal states.
 
2012-09-10 02:58:58 AM

Bathia_Mapes: [www.mediabistro.com image 450x363]

Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.


Some day I will strike you with a dowel smaller than my thumb.

Then I will buy dinner and drinks.
 
2012-09-10 03:00:16 AM

devek: That I totally agree with, it just gets nasty when you are dealing with changes to law.

"Obama" and "Romney" translate perfectly to "Obama" and "Romney" in other languages, but a paragraph long constitutional amendment may not be possible to translate, be translated poorly, or even skewed by the bias of the translator. I just hope the directions and text are vetted well by non-partisan lawyers who are native speakers of the languages in question.


You know, one thread down (in the Politics tab) there's been a discussion going on all evening about the translation of the bible and what it says about taxation. That book has been translated into English for more than 400 years and people still can't agree on what some of the words mean. I don't believe it is possible to translate some of these amendments into another language without a whole hell of a lot of context explaining what each word means.

In the United States, we have a whole branch of our government in charge of interpreting what has been written - in English! How can we possibly translate it to another language, especially considering the difficulties in conceptualization just between English and Spanish, and expect a full understanding of the the law?

I accept that translating it is better than nothing, but I believe there will be more native English speakers than non-native English speakers who do not comprehend it in English. And they will still vote.
 
2012-09-10 03:02:05 AM

Public Savant: Wtf?

40+ posts and no mention of either hovercrafts or eels?!

/my nipples are not exploding with delight.


I was going to oblige you, but this was funnier.

a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net

That guy staring at the ballot either should or has been a PS contest. If anyone has a link for a PS thread involving him I'd be much obliged. More obliged if more than a few of the pics still work.
 
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