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(Talking Points Memo)   George Will: "If the Republican Party cannot win in this environment, it has to get out of politics and find another business." No word on if that would also include George Will   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 105
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2012-09-09 11:17:26 PM
From the comments to TFA:

"My father, who still subjects himself to these shows, actually wrote ABC and told them that any time Will asserted an opinion he should be forced to do so while wearing a Chicago Cubs hat. He felt it would display his level of prognostication success and affiliation with lost causes."

Lulz.
 
2012-09-09 11:19:59 PM
NTTAWWT

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
 
2012-09-09 11:27:18 PM
Maybe having held the presidency nearly 8 years prior to and then during the economic collapse, championing many of the causes of it, and wanting to return to those same policies might also make it a little more difficult for them to win in this environment?
 
2012-09-09 11:28:13 PM
This summer, I worked with a really cool guy that I have nothing but respect for. Except for the part where he was George Will's personal assistant for three years, and claimed he was the smartest man he had ever met.
 
2012-09-09 11:28:21 PM

teto85: NTTAWWT

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/


That's located in the NY Times. Their "facts" and figures are straight from the devil.
 
2012-09-09 11:35:36 PM
George Will has become a parody of a the 'intellectual conservative who tries to sound smart while basically saying the exact same things as Tea Partiers', so I don't really give a shiat.
 
2012-09-09 11:36:01 PM
They wtfpwned in 2010, and stand to control both houses of Congress after this election with a chance of poising themselves to have a filibuster-proof Senate majority in 2014.

Their problem is that they lack candidates who are viable on a national stage.
 
2012-09-09 11:37:09 PM

Rincewind53: This summer, I worked with a really cool guy that I have nothing but respect for. Except for the part where he was George Will's personal assistant for three years, and claimed he was the smartest man he had ever met.


Tony Kornheiser is a big fan of Will's. Not much I disagree with Mister Tony on, but thats a big one.
 
2012-09-09 11:40:55 PM
No. They will lose this election and push even harder to the fringe right. Meanwhile they'll gain in the house and senate.

It all sucks for Merica.
 
2012-09-09 11:41:02 PM

elchip: They wtfpwned in 2010, and stand to control both houses of Congress after this election with a chance of poising themselves to have a filibuster-proof Senate majority in 2014.


I dunno. Not with guys like Todd Akin running.
 
2012-09-09 11:48:49 PM

Rincewind53: This summer, I worked with a really cool guy that I have nothing but respect for. Except for the part where he was George Will's personal assistant for three years, and claimed he was the smartest man he had ever met.


CSB:
Years ago, I met (and briefly worked with) G. Gordon Liddy. (Somewhere in my files, I have a photo of me & Liddy, plus his autograph on a "Top Secret" file folder) and I have to say, I found him to be very smart indeed. Raging batshiat crazy lunatic, but very, very smart.

/end CSB
 
2012-09-09 11:58:39 PM
Ever since 2004, I take no electoral lead for granted. I'm 99.9% confident Obama will win re-election, but I always fear Democratic laziness when it comes time to actually vote.

That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.
 
2012-09-10 12:01:17 AM
Well when Mitt says he supports the provisions for pre-existing conditions in Obamacare and then a few hours later is saying he's opposed to them, and Ryan is talking around circles, yeah it might be time to really rethink things.
 
2012-09-10 12:04:38 AM

Coco LaFemme: Ever since 2004, I take no electoral lead for granted. I'm 99.9% confident Obama will win re-election, but I always fear Democratic laziness when it comes time to actually vote.

That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.


By the Republican "hey, you were the runner up last time, so this time it's your turn", Santorum should be next.
 
2012-09-10 12:09:27 AM

Coco LaFemme: Ever since 2004, I take no electoral lead for granted. I'm 99.9% confident Obama will win re-election, but I always fear Democratic laziness when it comes time to actually vote.

That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.


I'm hoping for Bachmann/Palin Overderp myself

/you ain't seen nothin' yet...
 
2012-09-10 12:20:02 AM

Rincewind53: This summer, I worked with a really cool guy that I have nothing but respect for. Except for the part where he was George Will's personal assistant for three years, and claimed he was the smartest man he had ever met.


George Will is a smart guy and a very talented writer. Try reading some of his stuff about baseball. But smart people with contrarian tendencies often end up going off the rails on a few topics.
 
2012-09-10 12:26:21 AM
Conservative columnist George Will said on ABC's "This Week" roundtable that the economic situation is so favorable to Republicans that if they can't win on Election Day, they should find another line of work.

I just don't understand how someone can possibly believe that the GOP could fix the economic problems we've got in this country. for one thing, if the GOP were serious about jobs...they have to pass regulations that would punish corporations for shipping US jobs overseas. now stop and think about that for a moment. just hit 'pause' and really think about that for a second. if you are honest with yourself (I don't care if you lie to me), then you MUST admit that the Republicans WILL NEVER pass any sort of regulations like that one. If the Republicans can't (or won't) lean hard on wall street to keep US jobs in the US...then everything else they say is pointless. it all falls apart right there.

I honestly don't care if you want to debate that previous paragraph with me or not. the point is that deep down we all know that no Republican leader anywhere is going to either bring US jobs back to this country nor is any GOP member of congress going to tell a corporation NOT to ship US jobs out of the country. you know it. I know it. Even our most hardcore Republican shills here in the fark politics tab know it. you can scream, you can puke, you can spin and lie and change the subject all day long...but we all know the score here and nothing anyone can do will move the GOP on this one single issue. And if the Republicans cannot stop US jobs from bleeding out of this country...then there's no point in voting for them.

And that's all she wrote.
 
2012-09-10 12:30:04 AM

Coco LaFemme:

That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.


i've been telling people not to get distracted by the flash and thunder. that the one single thing that everyone needs to think about before they vote is the Republican views on social issues. do they really want to put a theocrat like Romney into the white house? do they REALLY want the nut job evangelicals to have THAT much power over all our lives? then I follow it up by saying that it doesn't matter who they vote for just so long as they don't vote for a Republican. Voting Republican means voting for theocracy.

i'm making more than a couple of converts that way.
 
2012-09-10 01:04:22 AM

Coco LaFemme: That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.


Sadly, I agree. A decent Republican can't get thru the primaries.
 
2012-09-10 01:14:29 AM

Weaver95: i've been telling people not to get distracted by the flash and thunder. that the one single thing that everyone needs to think about before they vote is the Republican views on social issues. do they really want to put a theocrat like Romney into the white house? do they REALLY want the nut job evangelicals to have THAT much power over all our lives? then I follow it up by saying that it doesn't matter who they vote for just so long as they don't vote for a Republican. Voting Republican means voting for theocracy.


I don't think most of the Republicans in power want that either, it's just a bit of an uneasy alliance they have. The Republican party is, at its core, the party of business. That's all well and good, we need businesses after all barring some radical change in the whole of society, but who does that attract? Those who own businesses and others who are wealthy and share similar "don't tax me, bro" ideas. That's a pretty small percentage of the population if you hope to win national elections, so they've sort of teamed up with social conservatives. Round those numbers up a bit with gun nuts and you've got yourself a national party. Honestly, do you REALLY think deep down Mitt gives a flying fark whether or not queers can get married? Personally, I doubt it. Likewise, do you REALLY think religious conservatives REALLY care if Mitt gets a tax cut or not? No, they care whether or not gays can marry. But these groups need each other.

I'm not saying that the Democratic party doesn't have some of this, obviously every party has to have these factions to cobble together roughly half of the voters, it just seems to me it's bigger in the GOP, and a bit more conflicting interests really, Especially the fact that this Jesus character, based on what he is credited as actually saying, comes off as something of a bleeding heart liberal.

The problem the GOP has is that the paradigm is changing. More and more poor people are starting to worry about their own interests rather than whether or not other people are permitted to marry and the like. Maybe it's a symptom of the economic downturn, maybe it's a change in the social dynamic. They are simply going to HAVE to adjust their platform if they want to live in the white house again. Another rich white man with vague religious connections just isn't going to cut it this time.
 
2012-09-10 01:24:12 AM

EatenTheSun: Coco LaFemme: That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.

Sadly, I agree. A decent Republican can't get thru the primaries.


Exhibit A: Jon Huntsman.
 
2012-09-10 01:28:35 AM

Weaver95: Conservative columnist George Will said on ABC's "This Week" roundtable that the economic situation is so favorable to Republicans that if they can't win on Election Day, they should find another line of work.

I just don't understand how someone can possibly believe that the GOP could fix the economic problems we've got in this country. for one thing, if the GOP were serious about jobs...they have to pass regulations that would punish corporations for shipping US jobs overseas. now stop and think about that for a moment. just hit 'pause' and really think about that for a second. if you are honest with yourself (I don't care if you lie to me), then you MUST admit that the Republicans WILL NEVER pass any sort of regulations like that one. If the Republicans can't (or won't) lean hard on wall street to keep US jobs in the US...then everything else they say is pointless. it all falls apart right there.

I honestly don't care if you want to debate that previous paragraph with me or not. the point is that deep down we all know that no Republican leader anywhere is going to either bring US jobs back to this country nor is any GOP member of congress going to tell a corporation NOT to ship US jobs out of the country. you know it. I know it. Even our most hardcore Republican shills here in the fark politics tab know it. you can scream, you can puke, you can spin and lie and change the subject all day long...but we all know the score here and nothing anyone can do will move the GOP on this one single issue. And if the Republicans cannot stop US jobs from bleeding out of this country...then there's no point in voting for them.

And that's all she wrote.


And in that world soon you go to walmart and one of the most overpriced items in our world - printer ink is now $1000. A pack of plain white socks, $100. Your next phone? $10,000. What then? raise wages to meet the problem? then we'll be carrying around money in wheelbarrows to buy the simplest things.
 
2012-09-10 01:32:59 AM

SilentStrider: EatenTheSun: Coco LaFemme: That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.

Sadly, I agree. A decent Republican can't get thru the primaries.

Exhibit A: Jon Huntsman.


Exhibit B: Gary Johnson.
 
2012-09-10 01:38:55 AM
I kinda like George Will. If someone is going to come from the right and express their opinions and criticisms I'm seriously happy when they don't look like Bill Kristol in the process.
 
2012-09-10 01:43:27 AM
End This Depression Now
Anyone read this yet? Will suggests that rmoney should adopt this as his campaign slogan.
But having not read it, I wonder if rmoney would actually do ANY of the things that the book suggests. Other than cut taxes and regulations.
LOL
 
2012-09-10 01:48:53 AM

RobertBruce:
And in that world soon you go to walmart and one of the most overpriced items in our world - printer ink is now $1000. A pack of plain white socks, $100. Your next phone? $10,000. What then? raise wages to meet the problem? then we'll be carrying around money in wheelbarrows to buy the simplest things ...


i'm pretty sure we can find ways to make it worth a corporations while to bring jobs back to this country.
 
2012-09-10 01:59:33 AM

Weaver95: RobertBruce:
And in that world soon you go to walmart and one of the most overpriced items in our world - printer ink is now $1000. A pack of plain white socks, $100. Your next phone? $10,000. What then? raise wages to meet the problem? then we'll be carrying around money in wheelbarrows to buy the simplest things ...

i'm pretty sure we can find ways to make it worth a corporations while to bring jobs back to this country.


No, clearly the answer is more tax cuts for the wealthy and lower wages for the middle class.
 
2012-09-10 02:08:21 AM

brianbankerus: No. They will lose this election and push even harder to the fringe right. Meanwhile they'll gain in the house and senate.

It all sucks for Merica.


This is what concerns me, too. Even if Obama wins, if Repubs control the House and Senate we're in deep yogurt.
 
2012-09-10 02:21:11 AM

violentsalvation: SilentStrider: EatenTheSun: Coco LaFemme: That said, if Obama does win re-election, the right will most certainly assert that it lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they'll go even further to the right. Which means it's doubtful they'll want Christie to run in 2016. More like Santorum.

Sadly, I agree. A decent Republican can't get thru the primaries.

Exhibit A: Jon Huntsman.

Exhibit B: Gary Johnson.


pawlenty
 
2012-09-10 02:23:15 AM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure we can find ways to make it worth a corporations while to bring jobs back to this country.


shudder
zero corporate income tax. huge tax credits bribes for bringing the crappiest jobs back to the US.

Great, now I wont be able to sleep until xmas.
 
2012-09-10 02:31:04 AM
Someone needs to sock him in his bespectacled face.

/the guy has been part of the problem for decades and now he's pretending to be an outsider?
//shut up and talk about baseball, you farking loser
 
2012-09-10 02:50:38 AM

RobertBruce: And in that world soon you go to walmart and one of the most overpriced items in our world - printer ink is now $1000. A pack of plain white socks, $100. Your next phone? $10,000. What then? raise wages to meet the problem? then we'll be carrying around money in wheelbarrows to buy the simplest things ...


Why do I feel that's a very unlikely scenario?
 
2012-09-10 03:12:38 AM
Hey Weaver95, remember when you were a hard-core Republican? You were fun to argue with back then. Glad you got better though. I'll buy you a beer someday. :)
 
2012-09-10 03:21:50 AM
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2012-09-10 06:09:57 AM
Without the media and entertainment industry taking over the RP wing of the DNC, Obama wouldn't even be running for reelection. He certainly would not be on television bragging about 96k jobs when the labor force participation rate is at the lowest level in over 30 years and 4 times that many people quit looking for work because they simply gave up. All he'd be talking about is how he was advising the Democratic nominee on what was going on just in case the American people were stupid enough to trust that party again.
 
2012-09-10 06:17:38 AM
The problem is that Will's thesis is nothing more than "Obama is bad". He doesn't take into account that most people will find Romney/Ryan unelectable, regardless of who they're running against.
 
2012-09-10 06:18:55 AM

randomjsa: Without the media and entertainment industry taking over the RP wing of the DNC, Obama wouldn't even be running for reelection. He certainly would not be on television bragging about 96k jobs when the labor force participation rate is at the lowest level in over 30 years and 4 times that many people quit looking for work because they simply gave up. All he'd be talking about is how he was advising the Democratic nominee on what was going on just in case the American people were stupid enough to trust that party again.


What are you talking about? The economy is doing great. The stock market is soaring, corporate profits and capital gains are at an all time high, and inflation is low. It was never the point of neoconservative economic planning to provide jobs for the peasants - trickle down is a fraud. You should quit biatching - the kind of economics you believe in is working perfectly. the rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer - as it has been ever since we elected that grinning fool in 1980.
You sould be rejoicing, actually. This is your utopia.
 
2012-09-10 06:19:49 AM

randomjsa: in case the American people were stupid enough to trust that party again.


Please, keep going... I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

I'll give the tow truck driver another 4 years to finish getting the car out of the ditch rather than handing the keys back to the idiots who put it there to begin with.
 
2012-09-10 06:20:40 AM
Where are you getting the idea that repubs are going to win the senate? Most are calling it a coin flip.
 
2012-09-10 06:21:08 AM
I do think the Democrats are being distracted by a 'slight of hand' move by the Republicans. I actually think it's only a half-hearted effort the Republicans are putting into the Presidential race. Remember how lackluster they were about selecting Romney? We are so focused on the Presidential election we are going to not support our congressional candidates and lose both houses. At that point, having a Dem in the White House isn't going to matter all that much.
 
2012-09-10 06:30:14 AM

elchip: They wtfpwned in 2010, and stand to control both houses of Congress after this election with a chance of poising themselves to have a filibuster-proof Senate majority in 2014.

Their problem is that they lack candidates who are viable on a national stage.


There is a good chance they won't even control the senate
Link. Their choice of presidential candidate is actually symptomatic of their larger problem that the Republican party has been taken over by crazy teabaggers.

That is why they possibly won't take the senate when it should have been theirs if they nominated sane candidates, it is also why the Republican party rejected Huntsman as a presidential nominee, who was really the best qualified to take on Obama this election cycle.
 
2012-09-10 06:31:15 AM
George Will is one of those shiat weasels that wouldn't have a job in any other country on the planet.
 
2012-09-10 06:35:52 AM
George Will was very positive on Romney early on

When George's wife Mari Maseng (Communications Director) was denied a job with the Romney campaign. In a time line you can see George's columns and rhetoric go negative on Romney

Don't know if you'd call George Will a gun-for-hire or just biatchy
 
2012-09-10 07:01:08 AM
The Republican party getting out of politics if they fail this time around?

i55.photobucket.com

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-10 07:06:42 AM
This is another example of the Republicans learning all the wrong things. They're very, very good at learning the wrong things from history. They'll take away any lesson from any political speedbump, as long as it isn't the one they were meant to learn.

Think about it: the majority of Americans wanted a center-left moderate Democrat for President in 2008. Somehow, from this they drew the conclusion that they had to move farther to the right. Bwuh?
 
2012-09-10 07:12:53 AM

peasandcarrots: This is another example of the Republicans learning all the wrong things. They're very, very good at learning the wrong things from history. They'll take away any lesson from any political speedbump, as long as it isn't the one they were meant to learn.

Think about it: the majority of Americans wanted a center-left moderate Democrat for President in 2008. Somehow, from this they drew the conclusion that they had to move farther to the right. Bwuh?


Single-issue extremists were very good for the GOP in 2010. And if the Republicans win the Senate this year, it will won't be thanks to center-right moderates promising to cooperate with Obama.
 
2012-09-10 07:13:36 AM

RobertBruce: Weaver95: Conservative columnist George Will said on ABC's "This Week" roundtable that the economic situation is so favorable to Republicans that if they can't win on Election Day, they should find another line of work.

I just don't understand how someone can possibly believe that the GOP could fix the economic problems we've got in this country. for one thing, if the GOP were serious about jobs...they have to pass regulations that would punish corporations for shipping US jobs overseas. now stop and think about that for a moment. just hit 'pause' and really think about that for a second. if you are honest with yourself (I don't care if you lie to me), then you MUST admit that the Republicans WILL NEVER pass any sort of regulations like that one. If the Republicans can't (or won't) lean hard on wall street to keep US jobs in the US...then everything else they say is pointless. it all falls apart right there.

I honestly don't care if you want to debate that previous paragraph with me or not. the point is that deep down we all know that no Republican leader anywhere is going to either bring US jobs back to this country nor is any GOP member of congress going to tell a corporation NOT to ship US jobs out of the country. you know it. I know it. Even our most hardcore Republican shills here in the fark politics tab know it. you can scream, you can puke, you can spin and lie and change the subject all day long...but we all know the score here and nothing anyone can do will move the GOP on this one single issue. And if the Republicans cannot stop US jobs from bleeding out of this country...then there's no point in voting for them.

And that's all she wrote.

And in that world soon you go to walmart and one of the most overpriced items in our world - printer ink is now $1000. A pack of plain white socks, $100. Your next phone? $10,000. What then? raise wages to meet the problem? then we'll be carrying around money in wheelbarrows to buy the simplest things ...


I don't think economics works how you think it works.
 
2012-09-10 07:18:06 AM
I've seen Republicans trumpet this "workforce participation rate" stuff for awhile. However, has anybody quantified how much of this is retirees? Baby boomers are retiring, anyone born in 1950 or earlier is eligible for Social Security. How many people are retiring or taking early retirement?

Seems to me this would make a huge impact on the number.
 
2012-09-10 07:23:18 AM
As long as there are ignorant bigots, shameless plutocrats, and religious authoritarians in this country, there will always be a GOP of some sort or another...
 
2012-09-10 07:24:17 AM

Job Creator: I've seen Republicans trumpet this "workforce participation rate" stuff for awhile. However, has anybody quantified how much of this is retirees? Baby boomers are retiring, anyone born in 1950 or earlier is eligible for Social Security. How many people are retiring or taking early retirement?

Seems to me this would make a huge impact on the number.


I think about a quarter of the number is teenagers, too. I'm still trying to puzzle out how big of a problem that is. Are we talking about creating a bunch of minimum wage part-time jobs when we talk about job creation?
 
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