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2012-09-09 06:38:46 PM  
the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?

Interesting article is interesting.

Especially liked the use of GIFs from the show rather than regular old pics.

Adds rather a Harry Potter-esque element, does that.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-09-09 06:41:49 PM  
I WANT A PET TRICERATOPS!
 
2012-09-09 06:51:26 PM  

MBK: I WANT A PET TRICERATOPS!


No you don't. I hear they shiat huge tric piles.
 
2012-09-09 06:52:17 PM  

quatchi: the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?

Interesting article is interesting.

Especially liked the use of GIFs from the show rather than regular old pics.

Adds rather a Harry Potter-esque element, does that.


Egg-terminate, Egg-terminate

Had to get that out of the way too. :-D
 
2012-09-09 06:58:26 PM  

AirForceVet: MBK: I WANT A PET TRICERATOPS!

No you don't. I hear they shiat huge tric piles.


Yep. Jurassic Park
 
2012-09-09 07:28:31 PM  

AirForceVet: MBK: I WANT A PET TRICERATOPS!

No you don't. I hear they shiat huge tric piles.


Then I will amend his wish as my own - I want a pet triceratops and a self-cleaning yard!

/Why not - after all if I have a pet triceratops, how could a self-cleaning yard be more impossible than that?
//Actually, I would like a self-cleaning yard anyway for my dog...
 
2012-09-09 07:34:12 PM  
It seems like the theme to the first part of the season is "let's take classic serials and do 'em up for the 21st century!"

Daleks, Dinosaurs, a gunfighter... if episode 4 is about the Doctor going to the planet of the big green cock monsters, well...

...

well, I'll be thrilled.

/who doesn't want a pet Triceratops?
 
2012-09-09 07:36:15 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Egg-terminate, Egg-terminate

Had to get that out of the way too. :-D


i293.photobucket.com

Whee! This *is* fun.
 
2012-09-09 07:37:53 PM  
I'm liking what this season is exploring.

"Doctor Who?" Those are the arc words, just as Dorium Maldovar (and I want that blue head to come back) said. Moffat's been exploring the Doctor's role as a legend, and now he's exploring the Doctor's role as a nobody.

Also, I really like how they're weaning us off the Ponds. This is a non-traumatic, non-romantic, non-spontaneous, non-ridiculous way the Doctor lets go of his companions, and it's so rare and shows just how strange it is to travel with the Doctor.
 
2012-09-09 07:38:27 PM  
Anybody know what Amy and the Doctor were talking about towards the end of the show? I rewound it like four times but could not make it out.
 
2012-09-09 07:40:20 PM  

Magruda: Anybody know what Amy and the Doctor were talking about towards the end of the show? I rewound it like four times but could not make it out.


"We'll be with you until you die. Or we do."

The Doctor had a rueful look at that, and I think he made a decision to let go of them then, so they can actually live a life and die a natural death instead of constantly risking their lives with him.
 
2012-09-09 07:45:33 PM  
I haven't watched it yet, but I only have one thing to say: WHAR JACK HARKNESS, WHAR?!?!?
 
2012-09-09 07:53:53 PM  
I'm pretty sure that the light bulbs not working properly is going to play into the theme of the season somehow.
 
2012-09-09 07:56:25 PM  
What I noticed was the Doctor's much darker streak. The 10th Doctor tried, unsuccessfully, to save Davros and the Master, even after the crimes that they had committed. Solomon, he killed a few Silurian. Not even genocide when you figure how many are still on Earth. And he wanted to sell off Queen Nefertiti, not really worse than what Davros or the Master has done. But again, he tried to save both of them. Solomon, he just out right gets him killed.

Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone. In the audio plays, the seventh Doctor takes a Nazi named Kline prisoner in the TARDIS for her crimes (she managed to steal the TARDIS in a different time line and used it to create a time traveling Nazi empire lead by a time traveling Adolf Hitler). The Seventh Doctor takes the TARDIS back, takes Kline as well and punishes her by executing her inside the TARDIS by basically wiping her out of time.

As for the bit about Solomon not recognizing the TARDIS, I figured the scanner just read it as a police box and nothing more. I wondered how the Doctor was scanned and the systems didn't say "Timelord". River Song made it clear that even dead, Timelords are valued. Or has the Doctor not just vanished from memory, but Gallifrey and the Timelords as well??? But, in that case, the unanswered question is how are people getting in contact with the Doctor? He doesn't exist, apparently, but he was summoned to Earth and Skaro. I hope that gets addressed
 
2012-09-09 07:59:11 PM  

quatchi: the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?


Who's the guy on first?
 
2012-09-09 08:01:56 PM  

exatron: quatchi: the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?


Who's the guy on first?


No, Who's on second.
 
2012-09-09 08:01:57 PM  

Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.


He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.
 
2012-09-09 08:04:50 PM  

MBK: I WANT A PET TRICERATOPS!


Actually, they don't exist.

Tricerotops seems to actually be a juvenile phase of another, larger animal initially thought to have been a different species.

:(
 
2012-09-09 08:06:37 PM  
I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more of the Dalek "puppets." And, well, Amy just didn't seem all that right in this episode. She seemed a little too Time Lordy, I guess.

So far, it's been a fun season, and I'm kind of digging this new, darker Doctor.
 
2012-09-09 08:07:06 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.


Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.
 
2012-09-09 08:17:48 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.


It didn't say it killed her (the mother). The voice over said that the family was seeking to live forever, and the Doctor made sure that they did, just locked in strange timey wimey bubbles to make sure that not only do they live forever, but can't interact with the outside world.
 
2012-09-09 08:18:26 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.


He trapped three witches in a snow globe and locked them in the Tardis "so they could claw at the glass for the rest of eternity"
 
2012-09-09 08:20:59 PM  

Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.


That's actually the best description of Ten I have ever been able to give: the character is just bipolar. There's no way around that.


I'm surprised they didn't mention the Christmas connections that have been popping up, as well as the breaking of the 4th wall in last weeks episode. Especially given that Oswin is already confirmed to be the new companion. Which would then tie into women with backwards timelines. Again.
 
2012-09-09 08:22:22 PM  

Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.


Ten did rage every well. He watched Spider Queen ( or whatever she was) burn.

He always warned them. And he always did what he promised to do if they didn't listen.
 
2012-09-09 08:22:50 PM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.

That's actually the best description of Ten I have ever been able to give: the character is just bipolar. There's no way around that.


I'm surprised they didn't mention the Christmas connections that have been popping up, as well as the breaking of the 4th wall in last weeks episode. Especially given that Oswin is already confirmed to be the new companion. Which would then tie into women with backwards timelines. Again.


Martha Jones was Ianto's girlfriend before they were both killed by Cybermen before they appeared on the show.
 
2012-09-09 08:23:30 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.

Ten did rage every well. He watched Spider Queen ( or whatever she was) burn.

He always warned them. And he always did what he promised to do if they didn't listen.


I'm fine with that. I hated the sanctimony when anyone else tried to judge people. Harriet Jones was awesome, and it was directly his fault that Harold Saxon came to power.
 
2012-09-09 08:25:24 PM  

rynthetyn: exatron: quatchi: the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?


Who's the guy on first?

No, Who's on second.


What's on second. Who's on first.
 
2012-09-09 08:26:45 PM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.

That's actually the best description of Ten I have ever been able to give: the character is just bipolar. There's no way around that.


I'm surprised they didn't mention the Christmas connections that have been popping up, as well as the breaking of the 4th wall in last weeks episode. Especially given that Oswin is already confirmed to be the new companion. Which would then tie into women with backwards timelines. Again.


Actually, they've said that she's going to be playing a woman named Clara. Though her description sounded alot like Oswin, minus the Dalek part. I do, however, doubt that we're going to have yet another backwards timeline companion. Moffit's already done it with River. This one may be a clone of Oswin, cousin, ancestor or recreation of Oswin using the Dalek files on Oswin during her conversion combined with a teleportation device, sonic screw driver, and the toothbrush the Doctor found by going to her house the day after she left on the Alaska and the Dalek command network.
 
2012-09-09 08:26:47 PM  

Luthien's Tempest: rynthetyn: exatron: quatchi: the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?


Who's the guy on first?

No, Who's on second.

What's on second. Who's on first.


upload.wikimedia.org

YOU GET IT?

/Still my favorite Robot Chicken blipvert bit.
 
2012-09-09 08:28:28 PM  

Bloody William: Magruda: Anybody know what Amy and the Doctor were talking about towards the end of the show? I rewound it like four times but could not make it out.

"We'll be with you until you die. Or we do."

The Doctor had a rueful look at that, and I think he made a decision to let go of them then, so they can actually live a life and die a natural death instead of constantly risking their lives with him.


Note also, as I pointed out in the other thread, Amy & Rory's "present day" has gotten up to 2019 or 2020 (Rory reminds his dad that he's 31 years old). In "The Hungry Earth", they are seen by their younger selves (their 2010 selves who are just about to get married) in rural Wales in 2020.
 
2012-09-09 08:28:39 PM  

Great Janitor: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.

That's actually the best description of Ten I have ever been able to give: the character is just bipolar. There's no way around that.


I'm surprised they didn't mention the Christmas connections that have been popping up, as well as the breaking of the 4th wall in last weeks episode. Especially given that Oswin is already confirmed to be the new companion. Which would then tie into women with backwards timelines. Again.

Actually, they've said that she's going to be playing a woman named Clara. Though her description sounded alot like Oswin, minus the Dalek part. I do, however, doubt that we're going to have yet another backwards timeline companion. Moffit's already done it with River. This one may be a clone of Oswin, cousin, ancestor or recreation of Oswin using the Dalek files on Oswin during her conversion combined with a teleportation device, sonic screw driver, and the toothbrush the Doctor found by going to her house the day after she left on the Alaska and the Dalek command network.


At most, it'll be an ancestor.

Martha Jones and Gwen Cooper were both characters whose actors were introduced earlier and had little to no connection. Granted, it wasn't quite as brazen as having her be introduced in the same season, but... well, we'll see. Wasn't one of the Doctors a bit part in a story arc before he was regenerated to be that Doctor?
 
2012-09-09 08:29:31 PM  
I'm finally starting to warm up to Matt Smith this season, and I'm not quite sure why yet.
 
2012-09-09 08:30:39 PM  

doglover: MBK: I WANT A PET TRICERATOPS!

Actually, they don't exist.

Tricerotops seems to actually be a juvenile phase of another, larger animal initially thought to have been a different species.

:(


Killjoy.

Vodka Zombie: ..And, well, Amy just didn't seem all that right in this episode. She seemed a little too Time Lordy, I guess.


I don't know about seeming "Time Lordy" but she certainly seemed like she was a very seasoned traveler, like it was all old-hat to her. I'm not sure I would say it makes her seem like she's a Time Lord, but she does seem to have a lot more expertise.
 
2012-09-09 08:31:21 PM  
That episode was farking awful. Everyone I know hated it. Reading that review is just bizarre....
 
2012-09-09 08:32:16 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com


Just counting the hours until I see this sexy savant again....
 
2012-09-09 08:32:18 PM  

Bloody William: Great Janitor: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bloody William: Dwight_Yeast: Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone.

He dropped the Family of Blood into a naked singularity.

Just one of them. He also locked the little girl into every mirror you're not directly looking at.

Ten was a bit bipolar.

That's actually the best description of Ten I have ever been able to give: the character is just bipolar. There's no way around that.


I'm surprised they didn't mention the Christmas connections that have been popping up, as well as the breaking of the 4th wall in last weeks episode. Especially given that Oswin is already confirmed to be the new companion. Which would then tie into women with backwards timelines. Again.

Actually, they've said that she's going to be playing a woman named Clara. Though her description sounded alot like Oswin, minus the Dalek part. I do, however, doubt that we're going to have yet another backwards timeline companion. Moffit's already done it with River. This one may be a clone of Oswin, cousin, ancestor or recreation of Oswin using the Dalek files on Oswin during her conversion combined with a teleportation device, sonic screw driver, and the toothbrush the Doctor found by going to her house the day after she left on the Alaska and the Dalek command network.

At most, it'll be an ancestor.

Martha Jones and Gwen Cooper were both characters whose actors were introduced earlier and had little to no connection. Granted, it wasn't quite as brazen as having her be introduced in the same season, but... well, we'll see. Wasn't one of the Doctors a bit part in a story arc before he was regenerated to be that Doctor?


Collin Baker appeared in a Fifth Doctor serial. Now, it is possible that the Doctor saw Collin Baker's character and thought during regeneration that he wanted to look like that. It was mentioned that when Ramona regenerated from Mary Tam to Lalla Ward that she wanted to look like Lady Astra (the character Lalla Ward played before becoming the second Ramona).
 
2012-09-09 08:33:04 PM  
Of course we all know the theme. I've been humming it all day, silly.
 
2012-09-09 08:33:54 PM  

Great Janitor: What I noticed was the Doctor's much darker streak. The 10th Doctor tried, unsuccessfully, to save Davros and the Master, even after the crimes that they had committed. Solomon, he killed a few Silurian. Not even genocide when you figure how many are still on Earth. And he wanted to sell off Queen Nefertiti, not really worse than what Davros or the Master has done. But again, he tried to save both of them. Solomon, he just out right gets him killed.

Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone. In the audio plays, the seventh Doctor takes a Nazi named Kline prisoner in the TARDIS for her crimes (she managed to steal the TARDIS in a different time line and used it to create a time traveling Nazi empire lead by a time traveling Adolf Hitler). The Seventh Doctor takes the TARDIS back, takes Kline as well and punishes her by executing her inside the TARDIS by basically wiping her out of time.

As for the bit about Solomon not recognizing the TARDIS, I figured the scanner just read it as a police box and nothing more. I wondered how the Doctor was scanned and the systems didn't say "Timelord". River Song made it clear that even dead, Timelords are valued. Or has the Doctor not just vanished from memory, but Gallifrey and the Timelords as well??? But, in that case, the unanswered question is how are people getting in contact with the Doctor? He doesn't exist, apparently, but he was summoned to Earth and Skaro. I hope that gets addressed



If Gallifrey was forgotten as well as the time lords, we may see the Doctor open the time lock and end the time war without obliterating them.
 
2012-09-09 08:35:40 PM  
Anyone else think that the gunfighter looks a bit too much like something from Red Dwarf?
 
2012-09-09 08:39:16 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: ...Note also, as I pointed out in the other thread, Amy & Rory's "present day" has gotten up to 2019 or 2020 (Rory reminds his dad that he's 31 years old). In "The Hungry Earth", they are seen by their younger selves (their 2010 selves who are just about to get married) in rural Wales in 2020.


I'm so mad at myself that I missed that bit when I watched. You'd think being the same age as the companions would make it easier to notice the age thing...

Bloody William: Luthien's Tempest: rynthetyn: exatron: quatchi: the Doctor not being recognized...

Doctor Who?

/Let's just get that out of the way right off the bat, shall we?


Who's the guy on first?

No, Who's on second.

What's on second. Who's on first.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

YOU GET IT?

/Still my favorite Robot Chicken blipvert bit.


In undergrad, I did a Doctor Who themed "Who's on First" skit for my clubs' Red Nose Day, which was quite a bit of fun. At the time, the guy I was dating looked a lot like Tom Baker when dressed properly, which was awesome, so we had him in my scarf, such a shame no one outside of the club knew what on earth we were referencing. We made him play that part for ages, whether he wanted to or not.
 
2012-09-09 08:40:27 PM  

Bloody William: Martha Jones and Gwen Cooper were both characters whose actors were introduced earlier and had little to no connection. Granted, it wasn't quite as brazen as having her be introduced in the same season, but... well, we'll see. Wasn't one of the Doctors a bit part in a story arc before he was regenerated to be that Doctor?


Oswin/Clara is completely different from the situations with Martha, Gwen, the Sixth Doctor, the Brigadier, Amy, et al. In all of those cases, an actor was hired for a one-off character, and then later hired for an on-going character. Some were retconned to be related to the earlier character, like Gwen and Martha, to explain the resemblance to the audience; but most were ignored (and Gillan wore so much makeup in "Fires of Pompeii" that there's little resemblance to worry about anyway).

Coleman, on the other hand, was auditioned and hired for Clara (or whatever her on-going companion role will be called) long before the episode casting for "Asylum of the Daleks" was conducted. She was intentionally there. Whether Oswin is Clara, or is her twin sister, or her mother, or her daughter, or her clone, or her from a parallel universe, I don't know. But they are clearly intentionally closely connected.
 
2012-09-09 08:42:08 PM  
I have enjoyed this season more than I did last season. This one (so far) has had straight forward plots with a bit of craziness mixed in.
 
2012-09-09 08:42:26 PM  

Bill Frist: That episode was farking awful. Everyone I know hated it. Reading that review is just bizarre....


It wasn't the bestest episode ever, but it was a bit of fun. Yes there are better episodes, but I wouldn't call it awful. Perhaps fun but kinda mediocre?
 
2012-09-09 08:45:39 PM  

Luthien's Tempest: It wasn't the bestest episode ever, but it was a bit of fun.


It was very fun. It was daft, but operated according to its own internal logic and kept the pace up quickly enough to keep you from noticing that nothing actually made that much sense.

Also, I was kinda disappointed that the dinosaurs were lizardy. XKCD is right.
 
2012-09-09 08:46:45 PM  

Bloody William: Wasn't one of the Doctors a bit part in a story arc before he was regenerated to be that Doctor?


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Colin Baker (aka #6) as Commander Maxil in the 5ht Doctor story Ark of Infinity
 
2012-09-09 08:47:15 PM  

Luthien's Tempest: Bill Frist: That episode was farking awful. Everyone I know hated it. Reading that review is just bizarre....

It wasn't the bestest episode ever, but it was a bit of fun. Yes there are better episodes, but I wouldn't call it awful. Perhaps fun but kinda mediocre?


I wasn't their best episode, but it wasn't bad either. If in a few years there is a Doctor Who season seven marathon on BBC America, I wouldn't change the channel to avoid this episode, but I wouldn't flip from another program to watch it either.
 
2012-09-09 08:47:33 PM  

Great Janitor: Though this isn't the first time the Doctor has basically executed someone


Oh hell no; the Doctor has killed loads of people over the years. Ten's establishing moment was killing some guy with a piece of fruit.

He's straight up gangsta sometimes.
 
2012-09-09 08:49:19 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: Coleman, on the other hand, was auditioned and hired for Clara (or whatever her on-going companion role will be called) long before the episode casting for "Asylum of the Daleks" was conducted. She was intentionally there. Whether Oswin is Clara, or is her twin sister, or her mother, or her daughter, or her clone, or her from a parallel universe, I don't know. But they are clearly intentionally closely connected.


In the past, Doctor Who has gotten lucky and made use of coincidences to forward the story arc.

Moffat intentionally inserts things which seem like coincidence at the time, but which are there to help him move the show forward.
 
2012-09-09 08:49:42 PM  

t3knomanser: Luthien's Tempest: It wasn't the bestest episode ever, but it was a bit of fun.

It was very fun. It was daft, but operated according to its own internal logic and kept the pace up quickly enough to keep you from noticing that nothing actually made that much sense.

Also, I was kinda disappointed that the dinosaurs were lizardy. XKCD is right.


My 6 year old, who is dressing as the Doctor for Halloween loved it. He laughed crazily for about 5 minutes after the, "Dinosaurs! On a spaceship!" line.
 
2012-09-09 08:51:59 PM  

LarryDan43: "Dinosaurs! On a spaceship!" line.


I think what carried the episode, for me, was that the Doctor was obviously having a ball, and Matt Smith does enthusiastic so damn well it's hard not to enjoy yourself. I prefer the Doctor when he is running off to have Adventures! instead of sitting around moping about being the last time lord and pining for Rose and worrying about the horrible things he's done in the past.
 
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