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(American Thinker)   The biblical case for small government and low taxes: "The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself "   (americanthinker.com) divider line 341
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2012-09-09 04:34:24 PM
Is this an argument against having too many cars, or for cutting the millitary?
 
2012-09-09 04:38:33 PM
So we should have a king?
 
2012-09-09 04:40:49 PM
Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

I'm paraphrasing a bit, though.
 
2012-09-09 04:44:19 PM

RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

I'm paraphrasing a bit, though.


"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
 
2012-09-09 04:45:33 PM

St_Francis_P: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

I'm paraphrasing a bit, though.

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"


You're making me look bad in a way that befits your username, St. Francis.
 
2012-09-09 04:47:47 PM
"...and there shall come a time when all the king's horses and all the king's men shall be called upon to put Humpty, son of Dumpty, together again"
 
2012-09-09 04:47:54 PM

RexTalionis: St_Francis_P: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

I'm paraphrasing a bit, though.

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

You're making me look bad in a way that befits your username, St. Francis.


Old and busted in any event. Supply-Side Jesus says, "Theocracy is where it's at! And drill baby drill!"
 
2012-09-09 04:49:58 PM
But it's still ok if he's just buying them for his wives, right?
 
2012-09-09 04:51:14 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: But it's still ok if he's just buying them for his wives, right?


I believe the proper Biblical exchange ration is 1 horse=3 wives
 
2012-09-09 04:51:35 PM
So they'll be okay with instant elimination of needless military machines and equipment, social security, medicaid, farmer's subsidies, oil subsidies, money going back to the state for education/roads/social programs to get to this mythical (just like their bible) small government? Somehow I doubt it.
 
2012-09-09 05:39:53 PM
Sorry, I prefer to take my guidance on government matters from the fictional works of Robert Heinlein, not the bible.
 
2012-09-09 06:03:12 PM

RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?


No. No he did not.
 
2012-09-09 06:03:31 PM
If you have to resort to the Bible to prove your point, you've already lost.
 
2012-09-09 06:06:04 PM
Lo and God said, render unto the wealthy a tax cut and trinkle downith it shall

its right there.
 
2012-09-09 06:06:56 PM
Next up, the GOP will argue for a return to slavery, as it is just as valid of an argument as this is.
 
2012-09-09 06:09:45 PM
So, we should NOT support a guy who owns horses because the Bible says so? Fine by me. I'll vote for Obama.
 
2012-09-09 06:10:03 PM
The bible says a lot of stupid shiat. So does American Thinker.

Coincidence?
 
2012-09-09 06:10:16 PM
As long as we are pulling out biblical models, I feel we should consider putting to the sword false prophets like Pat Robertson. There are probably various other deaths that can be pursued according biblical law but I will content myself with see evangelicals like him gone.
 
2012-09-09 06:12:53 PM

The biblical case for American Thinker to STFU:

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord..... when I lay My vengeance upon thee."
 
2012-09-09 06:12:54 PM
The bible also says that Christians should give up everything they have and give it to the poor, but according to the Evangelicals I know, they think that only was intended for the wealthy. No, really.
 
2012-09-09 06:12:55 PM

jigger: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

No. No he did not.


Ummm...

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

And they were amazed at him.
 
2012-09-09 06:12:56 PM
They also saved for bad times by taxing 1/5 of grain.
 
2012-09-09 06:17:27 PM

GAT_00: Next up, the GOP will argue for a return to slavery, as it is just as valid of an argument as this is.


hey, it's in the bible right? god must be cool with it.
 
2012-09-09 06:17:48 PM
I also like this little gem straight from the article: So the king must not accumulate large amounts of gold and silver, he is to follow the law, and he must not consider himself better than his fellow citizens. Lean and simple.

I will repeat that. THE GUY IN CHARGE - IN ORDER TO STAY RIGHTEOUS - MUST NOT BE TOO RICH OR THINK HE IS ABOVE THE LAW. And I'm pretty sure tax evasion violates both those ideas.
 
2012-09-09 06:17:59 PM
It's sad how these people are perverting Christianity to justify their own greed.
 
2012-09-09 06:18:12 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Sorry, I prefer to take my guidance on government matters from the fictional works of Robert Heinlein, not the bible.


I'm more of a Frank Herbert guy.

Leto Atreides II/ Duncan Idaho for God-Emperor/Perpetually cloned sidekick 2016!

An ornithopter in every garage and a chicken in every Axlotl tank! 

/The snark must flow!
 
2012-09-09 06:18:56 PM
Do they believe that the government hoards money?
 
2012-09-09 06:20:07 PM
Who gives a fark about what the Bible has to say about anything to do with government? Last time I checked we weren't a theocracy.
 
2012-09-09 06:20:10 PM

SilentStrider: Is this an argument against having too many cars, or for cutting the millitary?


As a strict biblical constructionist who believes that God is the only true leader and that the earth is only 6,000 years old, I can say with authority that if the United States is ever ruled by a king that said king may not have a great number of horses. He can have as many damn cars as he wants- in fact, cars do not exist for they are not in the bible.
 
2012-09-09 06:20:14 PM
The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself ... he must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

So vote Romney, the who would be the richest president ever?

Also

Liberalism, generally, favors a bigger government and higher taxes to pay for it, while conservatives advocate moving in the opposite direction: limited government and low taxes.

The author clearly has never met a conservative.
 
2012-09-09 06:20:27 PM
This is American Thinking?

FTA - "I have to admit from the outset that I get nervous about applying the economic and political specifics of the Bible to the modern era."

Actually, I doubt the author does feel nervous at all. It's like saying "I'm sorry to tell you this but you are an ass", when in fact you are anything but sorry for saying it. In fact, you are proud to say it. 

No, this author is happy to twist scripture to fit his view of the political landscape. As he pretty much does with every article he pens.
Link: Articles By James Arlandson
 
2012-09-09 06:21:45 PM
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

So if they government (or whatever is acting on BEHALF of the government) is PRINTING the money, it is theirs in the first place. It is given to you and you give it back. It is NOT YOURS TO KEEP!
 
2012-09-09 06:22:31 PM

crab66: It's sad how these people are perverting Christianity to justify their own greed.


And that differs how from any point in history of the last 2000 years?
 
2012-09-09 06:22:59 PM
I guess I'd be more receptive to these arguments if "conservative" administrations weren't just as adapt at fattening the government and raising taxes as "liberal" ones.

By the way, do you guys really pay 5 dollars a month for the privilege of being trolled?
 
2012-09-09 06:26:35 PM

SilentStrider: Is this an argument against having too many cars, or for cutting the millitary?


Sounds to me like the Bible is telling us to avoid too much income/wealth disparity.

But then, I'm a lib so my interpretation doesn't count.
 
2012-09-09 06:27:42 PM
Are you people just KO'd on your feet?

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2012-09-09 06:28:21 PM

dahmers love zombie: jigger: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

No. No he did not.

Ummm...

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

And they were amazed at him.


By quoting this passage, it means that you don't understand it.
 
2012-09-09 06:30:52 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Next up, the GOP will argue for a return to slavery, as it is just as valid of an argument as this is.

hey, it's in the bible right? god must be cool with it.


They must be satisfied at gettin into heaven right? They're not rich because a camel would go through the eye of a needle easier than a rich man getting into heaven.

/oh wait....
 
2012-09-09 06:31:32 PM
What a knave. That has nothing to do with the size of government, just that the government/king can't *keep* what they tax. If the king with tax revenue buys 1000 horses and then gives them to all the poor people without horses, then the government has not acquired any horses for the King.

Same argument is applied to using government tax revenue to pay for bridges, scientific research, public health, etc etc.

Also, American Thinker author, your mother is a whore.
 
2012-09-09 06:32:13 PM
Apparently, according to Genesis, when trouble's on the horizon, you appoint a bureaucracy and tax the wealthy:

3 "And now let Pharaoh look for a discerning and wise man and put him in charge of the land of Egypt. 34 Let Pharaoh appoint commissioners over the land to take a fifth of the harvest of Egypt during the seven years of abundance. 35 They should collect all the food of these good years that are coming and store up the grain under the authority of Pharaoh, to be kept in the cities for food. 36 This food should be held in reserve for the country, to be used during the seven years of famine that will come upon Egypt, so that the country may not be ruined by the famine."

56 When the famine had spread over the whole country, Joseph opened all the storehouses and sold grain to the Egyptians, for the famine was severe throughout Egypt. 57 And all the world came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe everywhere.
 
2012-09-09 06:33:07 PM
Not if we follow what the Bible recommends.

no, not now, not ever. i don't want to end up in an argument about which bible/religion we are going to follow. and keep in mind it's folks like this that raise unholy hell about sharia law.
 
2012-09-09 06:34:51 PM
This whole thing about mixing Christianity (or any religion for that matter) with politics is a really bad idea.

Politics is about compromise. Religion is generally pretty unwilling to compromise on its beliefs. It shuts down debate because the religious side will not concede any points. They will say, "this God's word" and that's pretty much it.

The reason we are a secular nation is to avoid that issue entirely. If we let religious people create (more) laws based on religious precepts, the Great Experiment will have failed.
 
2012-09-09 06:34:56 PM

jigger: dahmers love zombie: jigger: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

No. No he did not.

Ummm...

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

And they were amazed at him.

By quoting this passage, it means that you don't understand it.


Okay, so enlighten us, jigger.
 
2012-09-09 06:39:10 PM

RexTalionis: jigger: dahmers love zombie: jigger: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

No. No he did not.

Ummm...

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

And they were amazed at him.

By quoting this passage, it means that you don't understand it.

Okay, so enlighten us, jigger.


Well, if you asked a Jew in Judea under Roman occupation what is rightfully owned by Caesar, what do you think he would say?
 
2012-09-09 06:39:57 PM
'And it came to pass that Saint Victor was taken from this place
to another place. Where he was lain upon pillows of silk and made
to rest himself amongst sheets of muslin and velvet.

And there stroked was he by maidens of the Orient.

For sixteen days and nights stroked they him, yea verily and
caressed him. His hair, ruffled they. And their fingers rubbethed
they in oil of olives, and runneth them across all parts of his body
for as much as to soothe him.

And the soles of his feet licked they. And the upper parts of
his thigh did they anoint with the balm of forbidden trees.

And with the teeth of their mouths, nibbleth they the pointed
bits at the top of his ears. Yea verily, and did their tongues thereof
make themselves acquainted with his most secret places.

For fifteen days and nights did Victor withstand these maidens. But on the
16th day he cried out, saying:

'This is fantastic! Oh, this is terrific!!'

And the Lord did hear the cry of Victor. And verily came He down
and slew the maidens. And caused their cottonwool bugs to blow away,
and their Kleenex to be laid waste utterly.

And Victor, in his anguish, cried out that the Lord was a rotten
bastard.

And the Lord sent an angel to comfort Victor for the weekend.

And entered they together the jaccuzzi.'

Here endeth the lesson.
 
2012-09-09 06:40:38 PM
What if they're dancing horses? Would it be okay for the king to acquire those?
 
2012-09-09 06:41:32 PM

jigger: RexTalionis: jigger: dahmers love zombie: jigger: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

No. No he did not.

Ummm...

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

And they were amazed at him.

By quoting this passage, it means that you don't understand it.

Okay, so enlighten us, jigger.

Well, if you asked a Jew in Judea under Roman occupation what is rightfully owned by Caesar, what do you think he would say?


Why don't you make your point rather than wasting time trying to make yourself sound smart with rhetorical questions?
 
2012-09-09 06:42:18 PM
Wow they referenced deuteronomy. They failed to mention that deuteronomy says you should be ruled by a king, all debts should be forgiven every 7 years, you can only grow one type of crop if you own a farm, women can't wear mens clothing and vice versa, stoning for certain crimes, and being able to kill you children. Like leviticus none of it is followed.
 
2012-09-09 06:43:20 PM

jigger: RexTalionis: jigger: dahmers love zombie: jigger: RexTalionis: Didn't Jesus also said "Shut up and pay your damn taxes, you morons"?

No. No he did not.

Ummm...

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

And they were amazed at him.

By quoting this passage, it means that you don't understand it.

Okay, so enlighten us, jigger.

Well, if you asked a Jew in Judea under Roman occupation what is rightfully owned by Caesar, what do you think he would say?


You're not freaking Socrates. Answer the question: If it doesn't mean pay your taxes, what DOES it mean?
 
2012-09-09 06:43:23 PM
So the king must not accumulate large amounts of gold and silver, he is to follow the law, and he must not consider himself better than his fellow citizens. Lean and simple.

So they are saying that we shouldn't vote for Romney? The man who has more wealth than probably all of our previous Presidents combined? Good to know that the Bible is even clear on this.
 
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