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(New York Daily News)   Jay-Z confused by Occupy Wall Street, 'What are you fighting for?'   (nydailynews.com) divider line 434
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2012-09-09 04:36:56 PM  
"It's all about the Benjamins."
 
2012-09-09 04:41:47 PM  
I imagine Jay-Z feels confused about a lot of things.
 
2012-09-09 04:42:13 PM  
In other news, the "occupy" movement? What's that, some sort of real estate thing?

Oh, THAT old thing.... That's still around? What? It isn't? Oh....
 
2012-09-09 04:46:03 PM  
$99 Trillion problems?
 
2012-09-09 04:47:11 PM  
So a millionaire doesn't like the Occupy movement and doesn't understand what they want? Wow; farkin i105.photobucket.com subby.
 
2012-09-09 04:50:15 PM  
He's got 99 problems but capitalism ain't one.
 
2012-09-09 04:52:06 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I imagine Jay-Z feels confused about a lot of things.


We get it He's black.
 
2012-09-09 04:54:43 PM  
Area Man Reaping Benefits Of Contorted Economic System Confused By Critics Of System
 
2012-09-09 05:03:49 PM  

FloydA: So a millionaire doesn't like the Occupy movement and doesn't understand what they want? Wow; farkin [i105.photobucket.com image 54x11] subby.


To be fair, not all millionaires are part of the 1%. Thats who OWS is fighting against.
 
2012-09-09 05:09:48 PM  

cman: Thats who OWS is fighting against.


I have to agree with Jay-Z. What is your goal? What have you accomplished?

How can you reconcile raging against capitalism using the byproducts of that system (computers, social media)?

When 'The Man' cleared you out, you all just gave up? Why?

I'm all for organizing and protesting against a cause. But OWS just seems like misguided rage. Or even guided, ADHD rage that moved on to something else.
 
2012-09-09 05:19:13 PM  

joshiz: cman: Thats who OWS is fighting against.

I have to agree with Jay-Z. What is your goal? What have you accomplished?

How can you reconcile raging against capitalism using the byproducts of that system (computers, social media)?

When 'The Man' cleared you out, you all just gave up? Why?

I'm all for organizing and protesting against a cause. But OWS just seems like misguided rage. Or even guided, ADHD rage that moved on to something else.


OWS folk had good intentions when they started out. They had a clear goal, to make the Wallstreet bankers pay for all the misery that OWS perceived that the bankers brought. Problem is is that others took this movement and piled on their own causes instead of just sticking with the original idea. Thats where OWS lost the war.
 
2012-09-09 05:21:25 PM  
Tom_the_Dancing_Bug_"Economic_Injustice".jpg
 
2012-09-09 05:24:29 PM  

joshiz: cman: Thats who OWS is fighting against.

I have to agree with Jay-Z. What is your goal? What have you accomplished?

How can you reconcile raging against capitalism using the byproducts of that system (computers, social media)?



OWS is not a protest against capitalism, so your critique doesn't have quite the strength that it might.

When the ref calls out a player for cheating, the ref is not raging against the sport.
 
2012-09-09 05:33:31 PM  

cman: Problem is is that others took this movement and piled on their own causes instead of just sticking with the original idea. Thats where OWS lost the war.


I'll take that.

FloydA: OWS is not a protest against capitalism, so your critique doesn't have quite the strength that it might.


Ok, fair enough. Then answer Jay-Z's question: What are you fighting for?
 
2012-09-09 05:40:21 PM  

joshiz: Ok, fair enough. Then answer Jay-Z's question: What are you fighting for?


We have a system whereby if the corporation is large enough, it enjoys private profit and public risk. OWS wanted that paradigm to be dismantled.
 
2012-09-09 05:42:27 PM  

FloydA: So a millionaire doesn't like the Occupy movement and doesn't understand what they want? Wow; farkin [i105.photobucket.com image 54x11] subby.


Admins got you down? Can't get anything greenlit, so you come in whining over the submissions of others? Well that's ahh something
 
2012-09-09 05:44:37 PM  

jim32rr: FloydA: So a millionaire doesn't like the Occupy movement and doesn't understand what they want? Wow; farkin [i105.photobucket.com image 54x11] subby.

Admins got you down? Can't get anything greenlit, so you come in whining over the submissions of others? Well that's ahh something


There's a big difference between whining about greenlights and disagreeing with the premise of the headline.
 
2012-09-09 05:45:14 PM  

doyner: OWS wanted that paradigm to be dismantled.


How's that working out for you?

I'm really not trying to be snarky but to my point above, it doesn't seem like there was ever a clear strategy on how to get there.
 
2012-09-09 06:02:52 PM  

joshiz: cman: Problem is is that others took this movement and piled on their own causes instead of just sticking with the original idea. Thats where OWS lost the war.

I'll take that.

FloydA: OWS is not a protest against capitalism, so your critique doesn't have quite the strength that it might.

Ok, fair enough. Then answer Jay-Z's question: What are you fighting for?


Me? I'm not part of OWS. (I'm mainly fighting to get my students to avoid TXTSPEEK in their term papers, and it's a losing battle.)

OWS? They are fighting for regulations that would decentralize the concentration of power and influence from the banks and a few corporations to the broader population of citizens. They have a number of specific grievances, but they all boil down to the fact that, due to an extreme concentration of wealth, the boards of directors of a few banks and multinational corporations exert influence over the political, judicial, and regulatory systems in this country (and elsewhere) that is far in excess of their numbers, and in doing so, they subvert the democratic process.

For the past year, the corporate media have been repeating the claim that OWS doesn't have a coherent message, and now Jay-Z is repeating the same line, but that claim has never been accurate. They've been quite clear what the movement is about.

(There are, of course, other people who show up wanting to advocate for other issues. At any protest of sufficient size, there are going to be people who jump in and try to get their pet causes attached to a larger movement. But those hangers on do not alter the central message of the movement.)
 
2012-09-09 06:03:16 PM  

jim32rr: FloydA: So a millionaire doesn't like the Occupy movement and doesn't understand what they want? Wow; farkin [i105.photobucket.com image 54x11] subby.

Admins got you down? Can't get anything greenlit, so you come in whining over the submissions of others? Well that's ahh something


Welp, at least FloydA isn't an ignorant, cumstained farktard. Not that I'm calling anyone else in this thread an ignorant, cumstained farktard. I'm just saying that FloydA isn't one.
 
2012-09-09 06:03:16 PM  

joshiz: doyner: OWS wanted that paradigm to be dismantled.

How's that working out for you?

I'm really not trying to be snarky but to my point above, it doesn't seem like there was ever a clear strategy on how to get there.


It remains to be seen how it is working out for US. Sure, they were disorganized, but that isn't the same as being wrong.
 
2012-09-09 06:03:16 PM  
treygivens.com
 
2012-09-09 06:05:12 PM  

joshiz: I'm really not trying to be snarky but to my point above, it doesn't seem like there was ever a clear strategy on how to get there.


You're the type of person who'd support the Empire over the Rebels in Star Wars because the Empire delivers their paychecks on time... aren't you?
 
2012-09-09 06:05:38 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:


Continue to bite the hand that feeds you and eventually you're gonna get slapped. Simple as that.
 
2012-09-09 06:06:33 PM  
Maybe he thought it was just a fashion statement?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-09 06:11:34 PM  
Is that guy unable to grow facial hair?
 
2012-09-09 06:12:27 PM  

KingoftheCheese: Because People in power are Stupid:

Continue to bite the hand that feeds you and eventually you're gonna get slapped. Simple as that.


Continue to treat the vast majority of the planet's citizens as subhuman debt batteries and eventually you're going to get dragged screaming from your home and flogged in the public square peacefully protested against.

Sigh. Gotta start somewhere.
 
2012-09-09 06:12:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [treygivens.com image 497x327]


Public out of the way park versus obstructive New York presence. Does that make any sense to you?

/Tea party sucks worse than OWS but not by much
 
2012-09-09 06:12:41 PM  
I don't know what a "Jay-Z" is, but I'ma guess the Occupiers are fighting against it.
 
2012-09-09 06:13:28 PM  

James F. Campbell: jim32rr: FloydA: So a millionaire doesn't like the Occupy movement and doesn't understand what they want? Wow; farkin [i105.photobucket.com image 54x11] subby.

Admins got you down? Can't get anything greenlit, so you come in whining over the submissions of others? Well that's ahh something

Welp, at least FloydA isn't an ignorant, cumstained farktard. Not that I'm calling anyone else in this thread an ignorant, cumstained farktard. I'm just saying that FloydA isn't one.


I've got no idea who this guy is; he apparently went straight into my iggy list because I have no recollection of him whatsoever. He seems to be under the impression that my ego is vested in the number of greenlights I've had. It's amusing to me because, in the 9 years I've been on Fark, I have only submitted two links. He might just as well try to insult me for the fact that I don't have any CMT country music awards and I've never won a Pokemon championship.
 
2012-09-09 06:13:48 PM  

FloydA: For the past year, the corporate media have been repeating the claim that OWS doesn't have a coherent message, and now Jay-Z is repeating the same line, but that claim has never been accurate. They've been quite clear what the movement is about.


James F. Campbell: You're the type of person who'd support the Empire over the Rebels in Star Wars because the Empire delivers their paychecks on time... aren't you?


doyner: I'm really not trying to be snarky but to my point above, it doesn't seem like there was ever a clear strategy on how to get there.


I actually agree with reigning in corporate influence and prosecuting bankers for their crimes/regulating the banking system - alas most of the tenants of OWS. I'm just critiquing their methods. Whether they did not accurately get their message out (and I don't buy blaming it on the corporate media), let other interests derail their goals, or give up in the face of opposition it just doesn't seem like OWS had a clear strategy.
 
2012-09-09 06:14:13 PM  

One Bad Apple: We get it He's black a rapper.


FTFY, no charge.
 
2012-09-09 06:14:34 PM  

cman: To be fair, not all millionaires are part of the 1%. Thats who OWS is fighting against.


I'm part of the 99.9999% of Americans who didn't occupy anything, and would prefer that others didn't claim to speak for us.
 
2012-09-09 06:14:44 PM  

the_chief: Is that guy unable to grow facial hair?


1 down... 98 more to go

 
2012-09-09 06:15:53 PM  
He's really come a long way from Hawaiian Sophie.
 
2012-09-09 06:16:54 PM  
i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-09-09 06:18:10 PM  
He could just go down and ask them.
 
2012-09-09 06:18:23 PM  
assets.amuniversal.com
 
2012-09-09 06:19:43 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid:
treygivens.com

-Not on or near Wall St. militarized zone.
-Had permits.
 
2012-09-09 06:20:23 PM  
Oh and...

media.fukung.net
 
2012-09-09 06:23:00 PM  
FloydA:
OWS is not a protest against capitalism, so your critique doesn't have quite the strength that it might.

When the ref calls out a player for cheating, the ref is not raging against the sport.

A large number of the protesters, when interviewed, claimed they DID want to end capitalism.

But, much of OWS was co-opted by the Democrats. "We hate banks, re-elect Obama" treads that fine line between simple stupidity and organic brain damage. OWS becoming a leisure service of the Re-Elect Obama campaign makes EXACTLY as much sense as the KKK demanding that Obama be re-elected because they want a white man back in the White House.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-09 06:24:38 PM  
Mr Carter is correct, poor/unfocused messaging was its downfall
 
2012-09-09 06:24:39 PM  
Jay-Z not understanding something is news? Also, didn't he buyout an entire floor of the hospital where his kid was born and make it difficult for the peons who had the gall to give birth at the same time as Queen Beyonce? No surprise he doesn't care about ordinary people. Douche.
 
2012-09-09 06:26:24 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [treygivens.com image 497x327]


Ooh, ooh, I know the answer....

What is, the Tea Partiers weren't breaking any laws, Alex?
 
2012-09-09 06:26:34 PM  

joshiz:

I actually agree with reigning in corporate influence and prosecuting bankers for their crimes/regulating the banking system - alas most of the tenants of OWS.


Most people do once they hear about them.


I'm just critiquing their methods. Whether they did not accurately get their message out (and I don't buy blaming it on the corporate media),

Considering many of the major media corporations are some of the corporations that OWS people think have undue influence, it's really not in the media's best interest to provide accurate reports of OWS's goals and aims.

That's not to say that "there is some big media conspiracy" or anything silly like that. Rather, it's a reminder that it's hard to get someone to understand a concept when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it. If I worked for Company X, they would be making it possible for me to pay my mortgage and buy booze. It would be difficult to get me to understand that Company X treats other people like crap- that story would conflict with my personal experience, so I wouldn't really understand it.


let other interests derail their goals, or give up in the face of opposition it just doesn't seem like OWS had a clear strategy.


That's certainly the way the story has been presented.
 
2012-09-09 06:27:41 PM  

joshiz: doyner: OWS wanted that paradigm to be dismantled.

How's that working out for you?

I'm really not trying to be snarky but to my point above, it doesn't seem like there was ever a clear strategy on how to get there.


The strategy was fine, OWS just forgot who was going to be the ones showing them in whatever light they chose on television.
Nothing will ever change and the 1% will rule us until the end of days.
 
2012-09-09 06:28:17 PM  
The question isn't "who are you fighting for?" It's who you're fighting against.

It's those "job creators," who haven't created shiat, and those whiners that don't pay for the freeways, ports, and International Airports they need to "create." A bunch of entited dicks without the responsibility they claim is "someone else"'s fault.

Cowards and weaklings. Filth.
 
2012-09-09 06:28:35 PM  

Apos: He's got 99 problems but capitalism ain't one.


This.
 
2012-09-09 06:29:45 PM  
IDK why this was submitted. Or why it was greenlit. This is dumb as fark.
 
2012-09-09 06:30:23 PM  

rappy: IDK why this was submitted. Or why it was greenlit.


rappy: This is dumb as fark.


You answered your own question.
 
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