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2012-09-09 03:20:01 PM
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And no mention of Christopher Squire?
 
2012-09-09 03:26:51 PM

Somacandra: [upload.wikimedia.org image 400x225]

And no mention of Christopher Squire?


Without Chris and Bill Bruford, I will say this is going to suck.

Listening to "Yessongs" is a great example of how Bruford held that whole band together. Alan White is more than happy to let Steve Howe set the tempo, which is usually faster than it should be. On the couple tracks Bruford is on, you hear Steve start out fast and Bruford is like a merciless taskmaster saying "You can play whatever the fark you want, but I'm keeping time and tempo and I'm not changing it. Suck it long hair and play to my beat."

//Bruford is a drum god, KC got so much less interesting after he left.
 
2012-09-09 03:44:16 PM
Who the fark is Trevor Rabin?

/saw Yes in the mid-'70s -- Wakeman, Squire, Howe, Anderson, and -- of course -- Bruford
 
2012-09-09 03:55:26 PM

MadAzza: Who the fark is Trevor Rabin?

/saw Yes in the mid-'70s -- Wakeman, Squire, Howe, Anderson, and -- of course -- Bruford


He's the guy Chris Squire drafted to replace Jon Anderson for his solo album that turned into 90125. Wrote "Owner of a Lonely Heart"
 
2012-09-09 04:10:26 PM

Irving Maimway: MadAzza: Who the fark is Trevor Rabin?

/saw Yes in the mid-'70s -- Wakeman, Squire, Howe, Anderson, and -- of course -- Bruford

He's the guy Chris Squire drafted to replace Jon Anderson for his solo album that turned into 90125. Wrote "Owner of a Lonely Heart"


Added to my enemies list no.
 
2012-09-09 04:22:41 PM
As a King Crimson fan, my favorite lineups had Bruford. Bruford-Levin was a good combo, too.

He's officially retired, though, so I wouldn't have thought he'd show up in a re-formed Yes.
 
2012-09-09 04:53:11 PM
Chris Squire? I'll just put this

here: Link
 
2012-09-09 05:12:01 PM
4th green.

Irving Maimway:
Listening to "Yessongs" is a great example of how Bruford held that whole band together. Alan White is more than happy to let Steve Howe set the tempo, which is usually faster than it should be.


nowadays, from what I've read from various online forums, White is more than happy to let Chris Squire set the tempo, which is usually slower than it should be. There was some flack a month or so back on the Notes From The Edge site where the moderator posted a poll asking readers "should Alan White be fired from Yes?", with one third of the responders offended that the question was even asked, one third generally stating that "although he's a real nice guy, he needs to go", and one third of the opinion that they all need to retire.

Last time I saw the band was when Anderson and Wakeman were still in the band (around 2005, I think), and they just couldn't keep it together on stage. Squire's bass sound was terrible, and White was all over the place. The only highlights were Howe's and Wakeman's solo spots. I had the same lawn seats about a month later for Rush, and it was the best concert sound I've ever heard in that particular venue.

On the couple tracks Bruford is on, you hear Steve start out fast and Bruford is like a merciless taskmaster saying "You can play whatever the fark you want, but I'm keeping time and tempo and I'm not changing it. Suck it long hair and play to my beat."

Those would be "Perpetual Change" and "Long Distance Runaround/The Fish", which are the only tracks off "Yessongs" that get continuous play on my iPod. A shame that I only caught Bruford during the Union tour and that he was out of Crimson by the time I finally saw them live.

Will probably listen to this new collaboration to hear what they come up with. I did like most of "Fly From Here" (the tracks penned back in the Drama-era by Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes).
 
2012-09-09 05:13:16 PM

MadAzza: Who the fark is Trevor Rabin?

/saw Yes in the mid-'70s -- Wakeman, Squire, Howe, Anderson, and -- of course -- Bruford


Just some South African who plays guitar, allegedly.
 
2012-09-09 05:23:22 PM

I. M. Foreman: Irving Maimway:
On the couple tracks Bruford is on, you hear Steve start out fast and Bruford is like a merciless taskmaster saying "You can play whatever the fark you want, but I'm keeping time and tempo and I'm not changing it. Suck it long hair and play to my beat."

Those would be "Perpetual Change" and "Long Distance Runaround/The Fish", which are the only tracks off "Yessongs" that get continuous play on my iPod. A shame that I only caught Bruford during the Union tour and that he was out of Crimson by the time I finally saw them live..


And I think anything from Fragile or Close to the Edge is just beyond White's ability to play very well. I mean he gets the job done, but not like Bill.

I know he had ceded all creative control to Fripp for THRAK but the interplay between him and Pat is still the only "drum solo" type material I can really listen to. I have their Live at Shepard's Bush concert and hearing them go at it live is fantastic, plus they do "21st Century Schizoid Man", and with that lineup I don't think it's ever sounded better. I can almost feel my eyeballs melt when I listen to it.
 
2012-09-09 05:32:05 PM
Some people pan the ABWH album, but I think that despite its flaws it's a better album of "Yes music" than most of what Squire's band was producing in the 1980s.

Alan White is still just "the guy who replaced Bruford" to me, forty years later. He's never been interesting enough to be in a leading prog band.
 
2012-09-09 05:36:42 PM
Is it wrong to be such a huge fan of 90125?

It just reminds me so much of what Rush was putting out in the 80s too. Changes, Our Song, Hold On, Cinema.....
 
2012-09-09 06:21:25 PM
Trevor Rabin, Trevor Horn...it's all so confusing.
 
2012-09-09 06:25:04 PM

MadAzza: Who the fark is Trevor Rabin?

/saw Yes in the mid-'70s -- Wakeman, Squire, Howe, Anderson, and -- of course -- Bruford




Played on and co-wrote 90125 and the next couple albums, tours with them occasionally. Awesome guitarist, they really could not have found a better fit for that particular post-Howe transition.
 
2012-09-09 07:07:59 PM

DanZero: Is it wrong to be such a huge fan of 90125?

It just reminds me so much of what Rush was putting out in the 80s too. Changes, Our Song, Hold On, Cinema.....


It's not wrong, but it's a little bit like saying "is it wrong to be such a huge fan of Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours'?" It's the album where fragments of a band that had previously been known for musicial experimentation reformed in a more radio-friendly incarnation. "90125" isn't a bad album, per se, but it's not particularly representative of the dense, proggy stuff that fans of the earlier version of Yes like, just like the "Rumours" sound isn't what Peter Green-era Mac fans want from the band. (The difference was, 'Rumours' was such a monster hit that it redefined what Mac was, leaving the Peter Green era as a footnote to the bigger story. On the other hand, 90210 was a hit, but it wasn't so big and didn't spawn subsequent hits such that it came to overshadow Yes' history.)

If you like the more pop-like incarnation of Yes than the prog era, that's ok (I do too), but be prepared to have the bearded prog-heads look down on you like you confessed to liking Britney Spears or something.
 
2012-09-09 07:16:29 PM
Always liked the Law Firm Album.
 
2012-09-09 08:45:27 PM

RodneyToady: He's officially retired, though


Shiat...the one classic-prog drummer who's still got his health and his chops and he's retired?
 
2012-09-09 09:00:15 PM

Gulper Eel: Shiat...the one classic-prog drummer who's still got his health and his chops and he's retired?


I misremembered it. He's retired from public performance, as of 2009...

Bruford
 
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2012-09-09 09:06:49 PM
the Rabin-hate is going nowhere, trolls.
 
2012-09-09 09:18:27 PM
this isn't really big news....
Jon and Rick did an album together a year or so ago and toured with it. isn't this just adding a one-or-two time alum to the mix?

/meh

// actually liked "Drama"
/// HATED "90210blahblahblah" except for "owner".
 
2012-09-09 11:10:22 PM

RodneyToady: Gulper Eel: Shiat...the one classic-prog drummer who's still got his health and his chops and he's retired?

I misremembered it. He's retired from public performance, as of 2009...

Bruford


If you haven't read his autobiography, you should. The full story of his arrival at his retirement decision is pretty sad.
 
2012-09-09 11:41:10 PM

I. M. Foreman: 4th green.

Irving Maimway:
Listening to "Yessongs" is a great example of how Bruford held that whole band together. Alan White is more than happy to let Steve Howe set the tempo, which is usually faster than it should be.

nowadays, from what I've read from various online forums, White is more than happy to let Chris Squire set the tempo, which is usually slower than it should be. There was some flack a month or so back on the Notes From The Edge site where the moderator posted a poll asking readers "should Alan White be fired from Yes?", with one third of the responders offended that the question was even asked, one third generally stating that "although he's a real nice guy, he needs to go", and one third of the opinion that they all need to retire.

Last time I saw the band was when Anderson and Wakeman were still in the band (around 2005, I think), and they just couldn't keep it together on stage. Squire's bass sound was terrible, and White was all over the place. The only highlights were Howe's and Wakeman's solo spots. I had the same lawn seats about a month later for Rush, and it was the best concert sound I've ever heard in that particular venue.

On the couple tracks Bruford is on, you hear Steve start out fast and Bruford is like a merciless taskmaster saying "You can play whatever the fark you want, but I'm keeping time and tempo and I'm not changing it. Suck it long hair and play to my beat."

Those would be "Perpetual Change" and "Long Distance Runaround/The Fish", which are the only tracks off "Yessongs" that get continuous play on my iPod. A shame that I only caught Bruford during the Union tour and that he was out of Crimson by the time I finally saw them live.

Will probably listen to this new collaboration to hear what they come up with. I did like most of "Fly From Here" (the tracks penned back in the Drama-era by Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes).


The live version of Perpetual Change is my favorite Yes song. Steve Howe's solos rock.
 
2012-09-10 12:10:14 AM
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!

Oh My farking God!!!

/Atheist
//Thinks God is farking with him to prove a point.
 
2012-09-10 12:19:06 AM

Uzzah: DanZero: Is it wrong to be such a huge fan of 90125?

It just reminds me so much of what Rush was putting out in the 80s too. Changes, Our Song, Hold On, Cinema.....

It's not wrong, but it's a little bit like saying "is it wrong to be such a huge fan of Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours'?" It's the album where fragments of a band that had previously been known for musicial experimentation reformed in a more radio-friendly incarnation. "90125" isn't a bad album, per se, but it's not particularly representative of the dense, proggy stuff that fans of the earlier version of Yes like, just like the "Rumours" sound isn't what Peter Green-era Mac fans want from the band. (The difference was, 'Rumours' was such a monster hit that it redefined what Mac was, leaving the Peter Green era as a footnote to the bigger story. On the other hand, 90210 was a hit, but it wasn't so big and didn't spawn subsequent hits such that it came to overshadow Yes' history.)

If you like the more pop-like incarnation of Yes than the prog era, that's ok (I do too), but be prepared to have the bearded prog-heads look down on you like you confessed to liking Britney Spears or something.


I'll confess, 90210 was the first Yes album I bought, but it inspired me to check out their earlier work, so I guess it's okay.
 
2012-09-10 12:26:15 AM
Release Release kicks freakin' ass!!!
 
2012-09-10 12:52:20 AM
When do we board the purple spaceships?
d.yimg.com
Yeah baby, I want to tell you something about love...
 
2012-09-10 01:37:27 AM

davynelson: Trevor Rabin, Trevor Horn...it's all so confusing.


Jon Anderson... Benoit David... Jon Davison... Anders Benoit... David Jonderson...
 
2012-09-10 01:39:21 AM
I don't care what anybody says, "Can't Look Away" (Rabin's solo work from 1989) is a great album.


/old
//met Trevor a long, long time ago
///nice as hell, at least to me
 
2012-09-10 02:18:25 AM

Otto's_Jacket: I don't care what anybody says, "Can't Look Away" (Rabin's solo work from 1989) is a great album.

/old
//met Trevor a long, long time ago
///nice as hell, at least to me


I'm here to say you're not alone in liking it, no matter what these bastards may say otherwise.
 
2012-09-10 03:45:14 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: When do we board the purple spaceships?
[d.yimg.com image 300x297]
Yeah baby, I want to tell you something about love...


I was thinking more of something off Metaphysical Graffiti... I wonder if subby did that on purpose...
 
2012-09-10 04:35:41 AM

scalpod: Otto's_Jacket: I don't care what anybody says, "Can't Look Away" (Rabin's solo work from 1989) is a great album.

/old
//met Trevor a long, long time ago
///nice as hell, at least to me

I'm here to say you're not alone in liking it, no matter what these bastards may say otherwise.


I didn't mean to be insulting, I'm just unfamiliar with *cough* the "newer" Yes members. Y'know, anyone who joined the band after I graduated from high school in 1979.
 
2012-09-10 05:57:42 AM

MadAzza: scalpod: Otto's_Jacket: I don't care what anybody says, "Can't Look Away" (Rabin's solo work from 1989) is a great album.

/old
//met Trevor a long, long time ago
///nice as hell, at least to me

I'm here to say you're not alone in liking it, no matter what these bastards may say otherwise.

I didn't mean to be insulting, I'm just unfamiliar with *cough* the "newer" Yes members. Y'know, anyone who joined the band after I graduated from high school in 1979.


Yes, you're old gramps. Also, you might want to get that cough checked out, it could be pneumonia?!
 
2012-09-10 08:33:54 AM

unlikely: Mr. Pokeylope: When do we board the purple spaceships?
[d.yimg.com image 300x297]
Yeah baby, I want to tell you something about love...

I was thinking more of something off Metaphysical Graffiti... I wonder if subby did that on purpose...


yes.
 
2012-09-10 08:37:41 AM
Saw Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe live back in the late 80s. Awesome. amazing concert. At the same time, Squire, White, Rabin and Tony Kaye (remember him?) was touring as Yes. ABWH was unofficially called "The Affirmative" or sometimes "No" back then. You could see two bands playing the same songs but with completely different lineups. Good times.
 
2012-09-10 08:55:01 AM

I. M. Foreman: unlikely: Mr. Pokeylope: When do we board the purple spaceships?
[d.yimg.com image 300x297]
Yeah baby, I want to tell you something about love...

I was thinking more of something off Metaphysical Graffiti... I wonder if subby did that on purpose...

yes.


Double edged win, 2 internets and beer for you.
 
2012-09-10 08:58:16 AM
As long as Anderson is involved I'm there.
 
2012-09-10 09:02:44 AM
I don't get the Alan White hate. He did "Tales From Topographic Oceans" for crissakes. He's not Carl Palmer or Bill Bruford, but he doesn't suck.
 
2012-09-10 11:23:15 AM

qsblues: I don't get the Alan White hate. He did "Tales From Topographic Oceans" for crissakes. He's not Carl Palmer or Bill Bruford, but he doesn't suck.


His work on Relayer is great, too.
 
2012-09-10 01:28:10 PM

scalpod: MadAzza: scalpod: Otto's_Jacket: I don't care what anybody says, "Can't Look Away" (Rabin's solo work from 1989) is a great album.

/old
//met Trevor a long, long time ago
///nice as hell, at least to me

I'm here to say you're not alone in liking it, no matter what these bastards may say otherwise.

I didn't mean to be insulting, I'm just unfamiliar with *cough* the "newer" Yes members. Y'know, anyone who joined the band after I graduated from high school in 1979.

Yes, you're old gramps. Also, you might want to get that cough checked out, it could be pneumonia?!


That's granny, to you, sonny boy! No kids or grandkids, though. But we can role-play however you want it.
 
2012-09-10 02:19:14 PM
I'll believe this when I see it.

Anderson has a reputation for greatly exaggerating the progress on a recording project. I've read other interviews with Messrs. Rabin and Wakeman that say they are a year away from completing this. And touring? Not even on the radar.

What is really frustrating is how little the "classic" lineup accomplished in the eight years or so after reforming in 2002. One shiatty song that basically sounded like an Anderson retread. A couple of decent tours, but no new material. Lots of Yesfans complain about Squire, Howe , Downes and White basically being in it for the nostalgia money now, but fact is, they put out a pretty damn good album last year.

Although I'd like to see him with Yes again, I can kinda see why the others got tired of Anderson's shiat.
 
2012-09-10 02:57:13 PM

unlikely: Mr. Pokeylope: When do we board the purple spaceships?
[d.yimg.com image 300x297]
Yeah baby, I want to tell you something about love...

I was thinking more of something off Metaphysical Graffiti... I wonder if subby did that on purpose...


Yeah, pasted the wrong album on accident.

Not used to the preview button yet :(
 
2012-09-10 03:24:08 PM
Sky-marmots everywhere rejoice!

In and around the lake,
Marmots come out of the sky
AND THEY STAND THERE!

Somebody get these Got-Damned sky marmots off of my Got-damned lake!
 
2012-09-10 04:54:48 PM

Irving Maimway: Without Chris and Bill Bruford, I will say this is going to suck.


god, would I shiat myself to see all of them together.

/time to queue up some yes
//Relayer to be specific
 
2012-09-11 04:54:20 AM

tillerman35: Sky-marmots everywhere rejoice!

In and around the lake,
Marmots come out of the sky
AND THEY STAND THERE!

Somebody get these Got-Damned sky marmots off of my Got-damned lake!


When Fragile came out and my older brother was playing it constantly, I thought it was, "... mamas come out of the sky ..."

I was 11 or 12 years old -- cut me some slack? That was the least embarrassing of my misheard lyrics.
 
2012-09-11 05:21:25 PM

MadAzza: tillerman35: Sky-marmots everywhere rejoice!

In and around the lake,
Marmots come out of the sky
AND THEY STAND THERE!

Somebody get these Got-Damned sky marmots off of my Got-damned lake!

When Fragile came out and my older brother was playing it constantly, I thought it was, "... mamas come out of the sky ..."

I was 11 or 12 years old -- cut me some slack? That was the least embarrassing of my misheard lyrics.


I thought it was "mountains" up until just now.
 
2012-09-11 10:04:44 PM

aphyd: I thought it was "mountains" up until just now.


I thought it was "mountains" when I read the lyric sheet that comes with the record. Because it was.

/but it's the way they stand there!
 
2012-09-12 01:32:51 PM

poot_rootbeer: I thought it was "mountains" when I read the lyric sheet that comes with the record. Because it was.


Mountains? That makes a lot more sense than what I heard all these years: Marlins.

I didn't really question it. I mean, it's prog. Still generally more decipherable than ELP.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:58 PM

RodneyToady: poot_rootbeer: I thought it was "mountains" when I read the lyric sheet that comes with the record. Because it was.

Mountains? That makes a lot more sense than what I heard all these years: Marlins.

I didn't really question it. I mean, it's prog. Still generally more decipherable than ELP.


IMHO, Jon Anderson writes/wrote the most out-there lyrics of them all. Even after all this time, I find myself thinking, "What does that even mean??"

ELP was fairly straightforward.
 
2012-09-13 12:28:48 AM

MadAzza: RodneyToady: poot_rootbeer: I thought it was "mountains" when I read the lyric sheet that comes with the record. Because it was.

Mountains? That makes a lot more sense than what I heard all these years: Marlins.

I didn't really question it. I mean, it's prog. Still generally more decipherable than ELP.

IMHO, Jon Anderson writes/wrote the most out-there lyrics of them all. Even after all this time, I find myself thinking, "What does that even mean??"

ELP was fairly straightforward.


The lyrics to "Roundabout" are largely about a trip the band took to Scotland, driving among the lochs ("call it morning driving through the sound and in and out [or "even in"] the valley," "in and around the lake") and seeing the mountains appear out of the fog ("mountains come out of the sky and they stand there," the visual of the fog-wrapped mountains seeming rise above the clouds); "One mile over and we'll see you" referred to the fans they were going to perform to, and "twenty-four before my love, you'll see I'll be there with you" was a reference to their return to London and their wives/girlfriends. I don't recall the meaning of the "ten true summers..." line, although it's one of Anderson's stock phrases, appearing also in "Future Times/Rejoice," among others.

Don't recall where I heard this, but it was Anderson himself who explained it. Then again, Bruford implied that Anderson would sing lyrics and then make up meanings for them later--although BB admits that he doesn't care about the meanings of lyrics as long as they sound good.
 
2012-09-13 01:00:58 AM
GypsyJoker

Don't recall where I heard this, but it was Anderson himself who explained it. Then again, Bruford implied that Anderson would sing lyrics and then make up meanings for them later--although BB admits that he doesn't care about the meanings of lyrics as long as they sound good.

I think that's exactly what Anderson thought as well. I remember reading/hearing that as well. That he went for more how it sounded vs. what it meant.


/I think Eno had the same theory.
// Did you know that Phil Collins auditioned for Yes, and almost became their drummer in 1971, just before he joined Genesis? I wonder how Tales and Relayer would've sounded with Phil at the percussion helm!
/// further neato facts: both Bryan Ferry and Elton John (of all people!) auditioned for King Crimson circa 1970.
 
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