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(Guardian)   Nanny state is all set to make sexist remarks and wolf-whistles criminal offences   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 178
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2012-09-09 01:57:32 PM
So, no more telling a bird she has a right jolly turdcutter, then?
 
2012-09-09 02:04:15 PM
Fark outlawed.
 
2012-09-09 02:05:49 PM
My cockatiels make the wolf whistle all the time. I don't think they mean anything by it. But, they are male birds... hrm...
 
2012-09-09 02:17:42 PM
Eyebrow wigglers are exempt though,right?


fc09.deviantart.net
 
2012-09-09 02:25:22 PM
I can still grab a man's testicles as he walks by, right? 

/how else is a woman supposed to select a mate?
 
2012-09-09 03:31:04 PM
Dem's some uppity broads
 
2012-09-09 03:32:57 PM

miss diminutive: I can still grab a man's testicles as he walks by, right? 

/how else is a woman supposed to select a mate?


*walks by*

/wait, is this comment a sexist criminal offence?
 
2012-09-09 03:56:09 PM

miss diminutive: I can still grab a man's testicles as he walks by, right? 

/how else is a woman supposed to select a mate?


Like they always do:

Check the victim's bank balance.
 
2012-09-09 03:59:39 PM
Never trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesn't die.
 
2012-09-09 04:04:01 PM
I'd actually go farther and make sex by any man punishable as rape.
 
2012-09-09 04:05:57 PM
Define "sexist remarks".

Because for some women (and men), "Good morning" is a sexist remark.

/Be attractive
//Don't be unattractive
 
2012-09-09 04:07:56 PM

wjmorris3: I'd actually go farther and make sex by any man punishable as rape.


Masturbation should also be included. In fact any ejaculation of semen from a man is automatically a felony.
 
2012-09-09 04:08:39 PM
Another clause would outlaw "psychological violence" - defined as "seriously impairing a person's psychological integrity through coercion or threats"

And how exactly do you prove in court that someone's "psychological integrity" has been impaired? Good luck with that. Say what you will about America, but at least we have Freedom of Speech here. Most other countries don't.

Freedom of speech? Not valid in Europe. Freedom of expression? Not valid in Europe. Freedom of the press? UK papers and even the BBC wouldn't even post pictures of naked Prince Harry they were so scared sh*tless. Put down any racial group or nationality in Canada and get arrested for hate speech. Don't even think of saying "French people stink". Now whistling is being banned in Europe? Ridiculous.
 
2012-09-09 04:10:09 PM
"The way we see it is if you want to tackle it you tackle all of it - you say no to all forms of unwanted sexual harassment; that includes wolf-whistling, comments, everything."

So...I'm legally obligated to ignore other people, and they can't complain I'm being rude.

In your face, lawbreakers!
 
2012-09-09 04:11:22 PM

lohphat: miss diminutive: I can still grab a man's testicles as he walks by, right? 

/how else is a woman supposed to select a mate?

Like they always do:

Check the victim's bank balance.


Right, because you never see women with broke losers. *eyeroll*
 
2012-09-09 04:12:13 PM

HMS_Blinkin: wjmorris3: I'd actually go farther and make sex by any man punishable as rape.

Masturbation should also be included. In fact any ejaculation of semen from a man is automatically a felony.


I....I think I'm in big trouble guys.
 
2012-09-09 04:14:03 PM
Oh, fark that. Just make kicks to the nads legal. Problem solved.
 
2012-09-09 04:14:19 PM
It's political correctness gone mad. You can't even write misogynist abuse in excrement on someone's vW Tiguan without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat
 
2012-09-09 04:15:01 PM
If I hadn't read that Jezebel story from further down I'd snark too. But I guess I kind of get it.
 
2012-09-09 04:15:17 PM
What are they gunna do to protect the blokes, eh guvnah? I kin't stand walkin' down the street and 'aven all them birds undressin' me with their oyes. A bloke kin take only so much.


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2012-09-09 04:16:04 PM

LeroyBourne: HMS_Blinkin: wjmorris3: I'd actually go farther and make sex by any man punishable as rape.

Masturbation should also be included. In fact any ejaculation of semen from a man is automatically a felony.

I....I think I'm in big trouble guys.


Well, felonious use of a brassiere advertisement does carry a harse penalty for a reason, young man.
 
2012-09-09 04:17:46 PM
Sounds like the law, as written and as intended, only applies to one gender and doesn't make any mention of non-heterosexual relationships.

Funny how that seems to be okay with people.
 
2012-09-09 04:18:53 PM

Walker: Another clause would outlaw "psychological violence" - defined as "seriously impairing a person's psychological integrity through coercion or threats"

And how exactly do you prove in court that someone's "psychological integrity" has been impaired? Good luck with that. Say what you will about America, but at least we have Freedom of Speech here. Most other countries don't.


And there's yet another U.S. American who has no idea what "freedom of speech" means.
 
2012-09-09 04:19:07 PM
I wonder what Churchill's response would be if he were alive. He had a sharp wit.
 
2012-09-09 04:20:25 PM
MadAzza's guide to handling unwanted comments/contact*:

1. Tell the offender: "Shut the f*ck up/Knock it off."

If Step 1 doesn't work, go on to Step 2.

2. Kick offender in the balls/punch in the face, followed by, "I told you to knock it off, asshole."

If 1 and 2 don't work,

3. Notify the authorities (Human Resources or cops, depending on the type/severity/location of the offense).

*In case of physical sexual assault of any kind, go directly to Step 3 -- call the cops.

YMMV
 
2012-09-09 04:24:05 PM
So, if a guy approaches a woman in a bar, just trying to meet someone, she could have him arrested for doing nothing more than that? What a screwed up system.
 
2012-09-09 04:28:50 PM

Amigajoe: If I hadn't read that Jezebel story from further down I'd snark too. But I guess I kind of get it.


That stuff was pretty messed up. Sadly, I hear kind of similar stories from some of my female friends. Nothing that intense, usually, but the same brand of stupid and pointless over-aggression from knuckle-dragging guys (I refuse to use the word men to describe this kind of scum). One of my better female friends is a lesbian, and she makes no attempt to hide it. She works out a lot so she has a good body, but she never shaves, cuts her hair like a man, even wears mostly men's clothes----and STILL gets relentlessly hit on. She even tells them she's a lesbian, and that doesn't deter these guys.

I just can't fathom what's going through guys' minds when they behave like that. That said, the second guy in your link was clearly in need of mental help, and he needed to be arrested and given the treatment he needs.

That said, I'm not sure if actually outlawing more benign forms of unwanted flirtation is a good idea. Where is the line between shutting up potentially dangerous idiots and impinging on free speech?
 
2012-09-09 04:30:00 PM

MadAzza: Walker: Another clause would outlaw "psychological violence" - defined as "seriously impairing a person's psychological integrity through coercion or threats"

And how exactly do you prove in court that someone's "psychological integrity" has been impaired? Good luck with that. Say what you will about America, but at least we have Freedom of Speech here. Most other countries don't.

And there's yet another U.S. American who has no idea what "freedom of speech" means.


Another European Liberal who doesn't know what "slippery slope" means.
 
2012-09-09 04:33:40 PM

06Wahoo: So, if a guy approaches a woman in a bar, just trying to meet someone, she could have him arrested for doing nothing more than that? What a screwed up system.


I have no problem with that. Men need to be punished for being defective (having a Y chromosome instead of two X chromosomes)
 
2012-09-09 04:34:03 PM
When I was in preschool I remember the very first time I got in trouble. It was nap time and we were required to keep our heads down and stay silent. I said 'hi' to the girl next to me and got in trouble for using bad language (curse words). At 4½ years old I learned about being unjustly punished for saying something that I didn't even say.
 
2012-09-09 04:35:20 PM

Snarfangel: "The way we see it is if you want to tackle it you tackle all of it - you say no to all forms of unwanted sexual harassment; that includes wolf-whistling, comments, everything."

So...I'm legally obligated to ignore other people, and they can't complain I'm being rude.

In your face, lawbreakers!


Yeah, how does this even work?

"He's paying attention to me, I feel harassed!"..."He's ignoring me, I feel harassed!"

What sandy-vagina'ed woman wrote this law?
 
2012-09-09 04:36:11 PM
Asinine move. I've known some women who you could look at, say "Nice tits" and they'd find it a compliment. My wife has a friend who liked to visit because she knew that I would attempt to look down her shirt or up her skirt and she liked that attention, it made her feel wanted and sexually appealing, so it improved her self esteem. I've known some women who had no problem with me or other men looking down their shirts. I've also known women who assumed that any man who spoke to them for any reason what so ever was an attempt to get them into bed. The ironic part of this is that the women who assumed this the most were the ugliest women I've ever met.

My point being is that you can't paint one entire gender with a broad stroke of a brush. They are different. And this caters mostly to the angry females who hate men for being men and will give them the ability to scream 'sexual harassment' at any chance that they want, for any reason they wish. Don't believe me? Try being the only male in a department of women in an office of 80% or more women and see how many times a simple well meaning gesture doesn't get twisted into some sexual harassment complaint. Especially if you're doing the same job as the man hater, only 10x better.

The worse I had to put up with was an older woman who was divorced because her husband spent most of their marriage cheating on her. She had full custody of her two daughters and one son. Her oldest daughter was, at the time, 16, and a cheerleader. She posted pics of her daughter in the cheerleading outfit on her desk and in her cubical walls. Every time I had to ask her a question, if I didn't approach from the direction that gave me a view of the rear wall of her cubical, she'd jump and scream about me checking out her underaged daughter. It got to the point that I went to our boss and begged her to tell that biatch to get rid of the cheerleading daughter pics because I was tired of being accused of checking her out every time I was talking to her in her cubical (that fat biatch never ever left her cubical for anything, so conversations only took place in her cubical) and I broke eye contact for any reason. I finally complained to our supervisor that she only had those pics up there to falsely accuse men of sexually harassment. The boss took my side and forced her to remove the offending pics. We don't need laws to give coonts like her the power to make the lives of half the population miserable.
 
2012-09-09 04:39:19 PM

06Wahoo: So, if a guy approaches a woman in a bar, just trying to meet someone, she could have him arrested for doing nothing more than that? What a screwed up system.


If you're hitting on women in a way that might get you arrested, you need to work on your technique
 
2012-09-09 04:43:13 PM
March 7 2012

timely find, subby.

but given that this showed up on Reddit earlier today, it's a given that this would get an insta-green.
 
2012-09-09 04:44:45 PM

Krieghund: 06Wahoo: So, if a guy approaches a woman in a bar, just trying to meet someone, she could have him arrested for doing nothing more than that? What a screwed up system.

If you're hitting on women in a way that might get you arrested, you need to work on your technique


But he can't practice his technique because he'll be in jail!
 
2012-09-09 04:45:02 PM

Great Janitor: My wife has a friend who liked to visit because she knew that I would attempt to look down her shirt or up her skirt and she liked that attention, it made her feel wanted and sexually appealing, so it improved her self esteem.


Um, I think this says more about you than it does your wife's friend.
 
2012-09-09 04:45:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: Snarfangel: "The way we see it is if you want to tackle it you tackle all of it - you say no to all forms of unwanted sexual harassment; that includes wolf-whistling, comments, everything."

So...I'm legally obligated to ignore other people, and they can't complain I'm being rude.

In your face, lawbreakers!

Yeah, how does this even work?

"He's paying attention to me, I feel harassed!"..."He's ignoring me, I feel harassed!"

What sandy-vagina'ed woman wrote this law?


A smart one. I'd even consider arresting a person for not carrying two X chromosomes.
 
2012-09-09 04:49:39 PM
I love it when Americans call Britain the Nanny State.

America! The country which has the death penalty, torture camps, draconian laws, heavily-armed and violent paramilitary police, for-profit prisons, eminent domain, three-strike laws and literally millions of prisoners!

The cognitive dissonance must be off the scale.
 
2012-09-09 04:53:11 PM

Krieghund: 06Wahoo: So, if a guy approaches a woman in a bar, just trying to meet someone, she could have him arrested for doing nothing more than that? What a screwed up system.

If you're hitting on women in a way that might get you arrested, you need to work on your technique


With this law, any attempt at hitting on a woman could get you arrested. It's so vague that it would never stand up in court here in the USA. Europe, on the other hand, will go full bore with it and fark up a whole lot of lives.
 
2012-09-09 04:54:45 PM

Lord Summerisle: I love it when Americans call Britain the Nanny State.

America! The country which has the death penalty, torture camps, draconian laws, heavily-armed and violent paramilitary police, for-profit prisons, eminent domain, three-strike laws and literally millions of prisoners!

The cognitive dissonance must be off the scale.


Dey took yer guns and take care of the poor!!!
 
2012-09-09 04:55:19 PM

Moonlightfox: MadAzza: Walker: Another clause would outlaw "psychological violence" - defined as "seriously impairing a person's psychological integrity through coercion or threats"

And how exactly do you prove in court that someone's "psychological integrity" has been impaired? Good luck with that. Say what you will about America, but at least we have Freedom of Speech here. Most other countries don't.

And there's yet another U.S. American who has no idea what "freedom of speech" means.

Another European Liberal who doesn't know what "slippery slope" means.


Oh, they're all for freedom of speech, so long as it isn't "bad speech". Bad speech being defined as anything they don't like.
 
2012-09-09 04:56:31 PM

OgreMagi: With this law, any attempt at hitting on a woman could get you arrested.


I guess I don't understand exactly what "hitting on a woman" means? So it would be illegal to approach a woman and start a conversation? It would be illegal to ask her out on a date? It would be illegal to compliment her on her appearance?
 
2012-09-09 05:00:00 PM
My rule of thumb is, if they're good looking let 'em know by whatever means possible. Like that piece decorating the article. I'd hit it as hard as those planes hit downtown New York.
 
2012-09-09 05:00:18 PM

Lord Summerisle: I love it when Americans call Britain the Nanny State.

America! The country which has the death penalty, torture camps, draconian laws, heavily-armed and violent paramilitary police, for-profit prisons, eminent domain, three-strike laws and literally millions of prisoners!

The cognitive dissonance must be off the scale.


1. Death Penalty is not national law, some states have it, some do not. Laws vary by state. The Federal Government retains the death penalty but hasn't used it many many years.
2. As much as I hate Gitmo and the situation with Jose Padilla, in general, we don't have that. These days, we really don't have that at all, especially for citizens. (the abuse of non-citizens is still something I despise)
3. Our laws aren't as Draconian as British laws. And our laws depend on the state. Some states, the laws are retarded, in others, they make sense.
4. Not all our police are like that, in fact, most are not.
5. Depends on the prison
6. Yeah, this sucks. Though Britain has this too.
7. Depends on the state
8. Depends on the state.

Again, you can't paint a broad brush and complain about all of America when only certain parts are like this. Unlike British governments, each state has some freedom.
 
2012-09-09 05:02:02 PM

Pincy: OgreMagi: With this law, any attempt at hitting on a woman could get you arrested.

I guess I don't understand exactly what "hitting on a woman" means? So it would be illegal to approach a woman and start a conversation? It would be illegal to ask her out on a date? It would be illegal to compliment her on her appearance?


You're in a club, you say, "wow, you look smoking hot in that outfit." That proposed law would make that a criminal offense if the woman chose to press charges. The law is so vague that just about anything you might say could be considered harassment. When "he hurt my widdle feelings" is all that matters, you are farked.
 
2012-09-09 05:02:33 PM
My bad. She looks black...I take my hit thingy back.
 
2012-09-09 05:03:40 PM

Amigajoe: If I hadn't read that Jezebel story from further down I'd snark too. But I guess I kind of get it.


Threatening to kill someone is already a crime.
 
2012-09-09 05:04:06 PM
Dammit UK, grow your balls back. I say this as a friend.
 
2012-09-09 05:08:10 PM
The biggest problem with these criminal laws is that intent is never taken into consideration, only perception of the party is considered.

You cannot criminalize things like this. Its insane.
 
2012-09-09 05:09:53 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Dammit UK, grow your balls back. I say this as a friend.



I don't know that we have room to talk. Farker LiberalEastCoastElitist was saying that "guys who holler from their cars and call you a biatch when you ignore them" is already illegal where they are in Upstate NY.
 
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