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(The Raw Story)   "I think it's really absurd to be criminalizing possession or use or distribution of marijuana. I can't see any difference between that and cigarettes". Said by: A) Cheech B) Chong C) A highly respected, conservative, Reagan-appointed Federal Judge   (rawstory.com) divider line 278
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2012-09-09 10:41:53 AM
Obviously he's a dirty pinko Commie socialist.
 
2012-09-09 10:46:58 AM

Serious Black: Obviously he's a

dangerously deluded dirty pinko Commie socialist. 

/Fixed for maximum derp
 
2012-09-09 10:49:38 AM
I agree with the guy but the obvious posturing for a Supreme Court seat is a little disconcerting.
 
2012-09-09 10:59:07 AM
I think the answer to that one may be D) All of the above
 
2012-09-09 11:01:39 AM
there is no good reason people shouldn't be allowed to grow for their own personal use.
 
2012-09-09 11:02:48 AM
As a medical professional and former police officer that has never done any drugs, even marijuana, in my entire life, I can say I completely agree. It doesn't do any more harm than a night drinking in a smoky bar used to, and the entire illegality of it was based off corporate interests/bribery and racism. It's time to end such a silly prohibition and treat it like we do alcohol. Controlled, age restricted, no driving under the influence.

The rest of the harder drugs should stay illegal, but the only reason pot is a "gateway drug" is because programs like D.A.R.E. tell kids that they'll be hopelessly hooked and be sucking cocks for joints after the first time. Then they try it and go "Huh, they lied about that. Probably lied about the rest too."

Right now, we have so many states with medicinal pot which is really just an idiotic loophole to legality without politicians having to stick out their necks. Just get over it already.

/probably never will smoke it, even if it was legal
//I'm enough of an idiot sober
 
2012-09-09 11:24:12 AM

legendary: I agree with the guy but the obvious posturing for a Supreme Court seat is a little disconcerting.


Posner has been vocal about many issues - primarily economic issues - for many years. I rather doubt this is "posturing" in the least.
 
2012-09-09 11:26:10 AM
he'd become "less conservative since the Republican Party started acting goofy." I do not think he has really has become less conservative just the definition of conservative by conservative version 2.0 means if you do not accept socially repugnant dogma they brand you as a liberal. Liberal not that long ago was a good thing. Changing a view with more info provide is a good thing. Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
2012-09-09 11:27:28 AM

St_Francis_P: Serious Black: Obviously he's a dangerously deluded dirty pinko Commie socialist. 

/Fixed for maximum derp


Also, activist judge and all that.
 
2012-09-09 11:34:14 AM
Posner added that he's also "skeptical about the other drug laws," saying it's not "sensible" to apply criminal law to solve the problem of addiction.

oh he's gonna get black bagged for sure.
 
2012-09-09 11:37:18 AM

legendary: I agree with the guy but the obvious posturing for a Supreme Court seat is a little disconcerting.


At 73 he's a bit old to be doing that. Also one day he can say something people think is awesome, the next he can have the same people's heads exploding with rage.
 
2012-09-09 11:45:34 AM
Agrees.

obit-mag.com
 
2012-09-09 11:50:18 AM

legendary: I agree with the guy but the obvious posturing for a Supreme Court seat is a little disconcerting.


Look up Posner. There's no way that's what he's doing. The man is a font of words and ideas and everything. He's a legend in his own right.

There's no way he'd ever be appointed to the Supreme Court, because he's a massive libertarian along with being a massive intellectual and as a result his ratio of great ideas to horrifyingly bad ideas is about 1:1.
 
2012-09-09 11:51:34 AM

eurotrader: Liberal not that long ago was a good thing.


*headdesk*
 
2012-09-09 11:56:55 AM
Spliffy
 
2012-09-09 12:18:33 PM
He can't see any difference?

One of those things will f*cking kill you, man.
 
2012-09-09 12:18:33 PM
Let's ask Woody what he thinks.

f0.bcbits.com
 
2012-09-09 12:21:37 PM

Weaver95: Posner added that he's also "skeptical about the other drug laws," saying it's not "sensible" to apply criminal law to solve the problem of addiction.

oh he's gonna get black bagged for sure.


A judge thinks that applying criminal law to a medical problem is not sensible? Burn the Heretic! Kill the Mutant! Purge the Unclean!
 
2012-09-09 12:22:09 PM

Shadowknight: As a medical professional and former police officer that has never done any drugs, even marijuana, in my entire life, I can say I completely agree. It doesn't do any more harm than a night drinking in a smoky bar used to, and the entire illegality of it was based off corporate interests/bribery and racism. It's time to end such a silly prohibition and treat it like we do alcohol. Controlled, age restricted, no driving under the influence.

The rest of the harder drugs should stay illegal, but the only reason pot is a "gateway drug" is because programs like D.A.R.E. tell kids that they'll be hopelessly hooked and be sucking cocks for joints after the first time. Then they try it and go "Huh, they lied about that. Probably lied about the rest too."

Right now, we have so many states with medicinal pot which is really just an idiotic loophole to legality without politicians having to stick out their necks. Just get over it already.

/probably never will smoke it, even if it was legal
//I'm enough of an idiot sober


So did you ever look the other way.. or let someone off?
 
2012-09-09 12:22:51 PM

Shadowknight: As a medical professional and former police officer that has never done any drugs, even marijuana, in my entire life, I can say I completely agree. It doesn't do any more harm than a night drinking in a smoky bar used to, and the entire illegality of it was based off corporate interests/bribery and racism. It's time to end such a silly prohibition and treat it like we do alcohol. Controlled, age restricted, no driving under the influence.


This is the thing the stoners will have to accept: because of the way marijuana stays in your system (as compared with alcohol), you will likely always test as "under the influence". Barring better tests of course.
 
2012-09-09 12:23:05 PM
Posner is basically a libertarian. He has held views like this for years.
 
2012-09-09 12:23:59 PM

WhyteRaven74: legendary: I agree with the guy but the obvious posturing for a Supreme Court seat is a little disconcerting.

At 73 he's a bit old to be doing that. Also one day he can say something people think is awesome, the next he can have the same people's heads exploding with rage.


Hrm, what is the age range for a supreme court justice give or take a standard deviation? I was just thinking about what would be too old or too young.
 
2012-09-09 12:24:03 PM

Serious Black: Obviously he's a dirty pinko Commie socialist.


When my dad started saying there is not a big deal for pot use or possession then I realized eventually would be decriminalized.
 
2012-09-09 12:25:44 PM
It's totally cool to harass and imprison peaceful Americans to the tune of $8 billion annually, have you seen what those dirty stoners do? They smoke that pot, then they relax! Relax, and make food. It's outrageous.

Also the plants are bright green and grow out of the ground! This is so dangerous and illegal.
 
2012-09-09 12:28:07 PM
DNRTFA....Is Judge Posner making fun of teabaggers?
 
2012-09-09 12:29:24 PM

Serious Black: Obviously he's a capitalist.


FTFY
 
2012-09-09 12:35:32 PM
WTF, this guy agrees with every commissioned study ever done by the Fed at the cost of severals millions of dollars and repeated 3 times since the '50s.
How can he say that stuff?
I mean he is/was a judge and all.

/does he sell bongs?
 
2012-09-09 12:36:05 PM
What if it becomes legalized, but can only be purchased in "packs" from big tobacco companies?

Just think of all the additives they would add, like ammonia and ether - like they do with cigarettes. Link
 
2012-09-09 12:36:23 PM

Rufus Lee King: theorellior: A judge thinks that applying criminal law to a medical problem is not sensible? Burn the Heretic! Kill the Mutant! Purge the Unclean!

We will give him two...no THREE last chances.

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NO! Give him the comfy chair!
That'll learn him.
 
2012-09-09 12:36:39 PM
except that it gets you high... still rather be on the road w/ somebody stoned than with somebody drunk, or worse.. texting.
 
2012-09-09 12:38:16 PM

Shadowknight: The rest of the harder drugs should stay illegal...


Why? Keeping them illegal hasn't kept them out of the hands of the people who want them, and in the process it's provided an enormous source of funding for violent street gangs and cartels both domestically and abroad. Additionally, prohibition exponentially increases the cost to the end user, which encourages them to commit other crimes like burglaries and robberies to fund their addictions.
 
2012-09-09 12:38:28 PM
yeah - it's shocking not so much that THIS guy is a conservative but rather what your typical GOP member of congress and voter thinks passes for conservatism.

Protip: if you are advocating telling someone else how to live his life, you are not an advocate for freedom, small government or individual rights - you know the talking point platitudes you typically hear from the Republicans.
 
2012-09-09 12:38:54 PM

D_Evans45: It's totally cool to harass and imprison peaceful Americans to the tune of $8 billion annually, have you seen what those dirty stoners do? They smoke that pot, then they relax! Relax, and make food. It's outrageous.

Also the plants are bright green and grow out of the ground! This is so dangerous and illegal.


And sometimes they walk up to the corner store for Doritos and sodas. In PUBLIC. Where CHILDREN can SEE THEM!

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2012-09-09 12:39:12 PM
he'll be singing a different tune when he realizes that jazz club reefer dens have gobbled up all the white women
 
2012-09-09 12:41:13 PM

zvoidx: What if it becomes legalized, but can only be purchased in "packs" from big tobacco companies?

Just think of all the additives they would add, like ammonia and ether - like they do with cigarettes. Link


Then do what millions already do: Grow your own.
 
2012-09-09 12:41:30 PM

Shadowknight: The rest of the harder drugs should stay illegal


why?
what kind of harder drugs?
 
2012-09-09 12:42:14 PM

zvoidx: What if it becomes legalized, but can only be purchased in "packs" from big tobacco companies?

Just think of all the additives they would add, like ammonia and ether - like they do with cigarettes. Link


yeah - kind of like how growing your own tomatos is illegal.
 
2012-09-09 12:42:55 PM

casual disregard: what is the age range for a supreme court justice give or take a standard deviation?


Good question actually, most seem to be somewhere in their 50s.
 
2012-09-09 12:43:44 PM

pinktaco4lunch: Shadowknight: As a medical professional and former police officer that has never done any drugs, even marijuana, in my entire life, I can say I completely agree. It doesn't do any more harm than a night drinking in a smoky bar used to, and the entire illegality of it was based off corporate interests/bribery and racism. It's time to end such a silly prohibition and treat it like we do alcohol. Controlled, age restricted, no driving under the influence.

The rest of the harder drugs should stay illegal, but the only reason pot is a "gateway drug" is because programs like D.A.R.E. tell kids that they'll be hopelessly hooked and be sucking cocks for joints after the first time. Then they try it and go "Huh, they lied about that. Probably lied about the rest too."

Right now, we have so many states with medicinal pot which is really just an idiotic loophole to legality without politicians having to stick out their necks. Just get over it already.

/probably never will smoke it, even if it was legal
//I'm enough of an idiot sober

So did you ever look the other way.. or let someone off?


Lot of the time, actually. If I found a bail in your trunk, yeah, you're going to jail. But you wouldn't believe how easy it was to just walk up to a couple guys on the street corner while they were smoking right out in the open. Or seeing it sitting on their passenger seat or dash of their car during a stop.

I'd usually just take the small personal stash and turn it into evidence disposal, saying that someone turned it into me. I considered it a stupid tax, for not just staying at home with it. Just told them to be more careful in the future.

That's not to say I didn't run someone in for it. Mostly if we needed to arrest them, like a witness said they just snatched a lady's bag or something but we don't have solid enough reason to actually search his stuff. I just happen to see a bag sitting on top of his open backpack (this actually happened). So, arrest, search, find lady's credit cards...

And I'm not going to deny the occasional vindictive arrest either. I mean, I trued to be cool. I was a cop, I couldn't just let you walk away with it, but I could use some positional judgment and take it to be disposed of. But if I pull you over for speeding (many times with the intention of a warning pending license check), and before I say a word you are screaming about pigs and Kent State and questioning my mother's parentage... well, you'd be pretty dumb to have an empty clip and the tail end of a joint sitting in your ashtray in plain sight. Yes, this happened too.

That all said, I let people off when I could for personal possession. If you had it by a school, or had a shiat ton, there wasn't much I could do, but I tried to be cool about it. And if someone was obviously high in front of me but not driving, it was fun to screw with them (talking about sports or weather with them in a 7-11 at 3am and watching them sweat) but I never ran them in for just that. Used to piss off my shift sergeant, but she rolled with it because I had the least complaint filed about me. Caused her the least amount of trouble.

/long csb, I know.
 
2012-09-09 12:43:56 PM

Shadowknight: "gateway drug"


It's a gateway drug only when you only the hard drug users "have you used marijuana" and you don't ask the marijuana users "have you used hard drugs"
 
2012-09-09 12:44:18 PM

casual disregard: WhyteRaven74: legendary: I agree with the guy but the obvious posturing for a Supreme Court seat is a little disconcerting.

At 73 he's a bit old to be doing that. Also one day he can say something people think is awesome, the next he can have the same people's heads exploding with rage.

Hrm, what is the age range for a supreme court justice give or take a standard deviation? I was just thinking about what would be too old or too young.


Doesn't matter. The odds of a 70+ judge getting picked for SCOTUS these days are minimal, because a Presidant wants to have a long-term (read multiple decades) influence on the court.
 
2012-09-09 12:44:50 PM
I agree with what someone else said, why shouldn't you be able to grow a plant-for personal use-in your backyard. It's no different than growing tomatoes, except tomatoes don't get you high, but if I could grow a six-pack of beer in my backyard, I would.
 
2012-09-09 12:44:54 PM

Jefferson Biatchmagnet: Shadowknight: As a medical professional and former police officer that has never done any drugs, even marijuana, in my entire life, I can say I completely agree. It doesn't do any more harm than a night drinking in a smoky bar used to, and the entire illegality of it was based off corporate interests/bribery and racism. It's time to end such a silly prohibition and treat it like we do alcohol. Controlled, age restricted, no driving under the influence.


This is the thing the stoners will have to accept: because of the way marijuana stays in your system (as compared with alcohol), you will likely always test as "under the influence". Barring better tests of course.


The better tests would be the ones that look for the spike of THC in the stoner's system, rather than the "constant" level of THC that's already been absorbed into their fat cells. The spikes pretty much only happen directly after smoking (or eating, etc) and still you get people throwing hissy fits because "you just want me to get a DUI!!!"

/I usually thank them for informing everyone of their intentions to drive under the influence

//I really really want WA to do the right thing and take this first step towards legalization
///would love to go to the corner store and buy some Marlboro Greens
 
2012-09-09 12:45:25 PM

Shadowknight: because programs like D.A.R.E. tell kids that they'll be hopelessly hooked and be sucking cocks for joints after the first time. Then they try it and go "Huh, they lied about that. Probably lied about the rest too."


*DING DING DING DING DING!*

D.A.R.E Also showed me what a properly rolled joint looks like, and how to identify weed as opposed to say, oregano. DARE only made me a better educated drug user.

"huh they lied about this, the rest must be lies too" is almost word for word the conclusion I came to after trying pot.

D.A.R.E got me to say no to drugs from 6th to 9th grade. I didn't even have a guy before then thus had no access.
 
2012-09-09 12:45:51 PM

Pathman: zvoidx: What if it becomes legalized, but can only be purchased in "packs" from big tobacco companies?

Just think of all the additives they would add, like ammonia and ether - like they do with cigarettes. Link

yeah - kind of like how growing your own tomatos is illegal.


And how all you can buy is cigarettes in America. There is no such thing as cigars, pipes, hooka, or chewing tobacco.
 
2012-09-09 12:45:54 PM

Quaker: Shadowknight: The rest of the harder drugs should stay illegal...

Why? Keeping them illegal hasn't kept them out of the hands of the people who want them, and in the process it's provided an enormous source of funding for violent street gangs and cartels both domestically and abroad. Additionally, prohibition exponentially increases the cost to the end user, which encourages them to commit other crimes like burglaries and robberies to fund their addictions.


Don't get me wrong, I think more money should be diverted from enforcement and put into prevention and rehab programs, but keeping them an enforceable material still helps keep it scarce.

Ever dealt with a tweaker while they were coming down? I have, and have scars on my legs to prove it.
 
2012-09-09 12:46:36 PM

give me doughnuts: zvoidx: What if it becomes legalized, but can only be purchased in "packs" from big tobacco companies?

Just think of all the additives they would add, like ammonia and ether - like they do with cigarettes. Link

Then do what millions already do: Grow your own.


Good luck with that. Part of a "legalization" package would almost certainly include bans on growing. The corporations wouldn't allow otherwise.
 
2012-09-09 12:47:27 PM

fluffy2097: Shadowknight: because programs like D.A.R.E. tell kids that they'll be hopelessly hooked and be sucking cocks for joints after the first time. Then they try it and go "Huh, they lied about that. Probably lied about the rest too."

*DING DING DING DING DING!*

D.A.R.E Also showed me what a properly rolled joint looks like, and how to identify weed as opposed to say, oregano. DARE only made me a better educated drug user.

"huh they lied about this, the rest must be lies too" is almost word for word the conclusion I came to after trying pot.

D.A.R.E got me to say no to drugs from 6th to 9th grade. I didn't even have a guy before then thus had no access.


All I know about DARE is, they have cool cars/drag cars, etc.
 
2012-09-09 12:49:06 PM

Shadowknight: And if someone was obviously high in front of me but not driving, it was fun to screw with them


"WE CANT PULL OVER MORE! WE'RE ALREADY PULLED OVER!"
 
2012-09-09 12:49:52 PM

Shadowknight: /probably never will smoke it, even if it was legal


When you get old and your body starts to deteriorate; or if you get injured. Your choices for pain relief will undoubtedly come down to a prescription with insanely high cost and many, terrible side effects.

Or

Weed.
 
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