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2012-09-09 08:50:40 AM
Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL
 
2012-09-09 08:54:09 AM
I have a Kindle, and I know nothing of these ads which you speak of.
 
2012-09-09 08:58:32 AM

Fark-N-Noodle: I have a Kindle, and I know nothing of these ads which you speak of.


Kindle fire.. It's more of a tablet. Thinking of getting one for the boyfriend.
 
2012-09-09 08:59:02 AM
Root it, reinstall it with ICS, (Jellybean when it's available) and presto decent tablet perfectly usable as an e-reader with no advertising. Who doesn't strip the drm out of ebooks they bought?
 
2012-09-09 09:01:55 AM

oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL


Almost caught me!
 
2012-09-09 09:04:50 AM

oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL


You're a bit off on the price, the Fire HD is $199 with 16gb memory. Does video, music, streaming, all that fun stuff. I did not know that you couldn't opt out of the 'special offers' on those, though. That's been standard on the normal eReader Kindles (the ones that are replacements for books and nothing else), it's a $20 price difference. The new giant 8.9" Kindle Fire is the $500 one, and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

I know a bunch of Kindle users, and no one I know or that they know have ever said 'sure, I'll take ads and save $20!'. I have no idea why anyone would. Heck, I didn't even know it was a thing until I was shopping for a Kindle for my mom. Barnes and Noble doesn't do anything like that with their Nook lineup.
 
2012-09-09 09:08:54 AM

oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL


Um, no. RTFA. There's an ad on the sleep screen, and a small one at the bottom of your library selection screen. Both are easily removed with a simple hack if it really bothers you that much.
 
2012-09-09 09:21:17 AM
"I wanted to let you know that with Kindle Fire HD there will be a special offers opt-out option for $15."

What a dumb way to do it. The right way would be:

"I wanted to let you know that with Kindle Fire HD, we will pay you $15 to opt-in to special offers."  Then just set the initial price $15 higher.
 
2012-09-09 09:21:26 AM

Arachnophobe: and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.


Except that ...

1. It's half the price of a similarly equipped iPad
2. It's not Apple
 
2012-09-09 09:25:12 AM

Arachnophobe: oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL

You're a bit off on the price, the Fire HD is $199 with 16gb memory. Does video, music, streaming, all that fun stuff. I did not know that you couldn't opt out of the 'special offers' on those, though. That's been standard on the normal eReader Kindles (the ones that are replacements for books and nothing else), it's a $20 price difference. The new giant 8.9" Kindle Fire is the $500 one, and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

I know a bunch of Kindle users, and no one I know or that they know have ever said 'sure, I'll take ads and save $20!'. I have no idea why anyone would. Heck, I didn't even know it was a thing until I was shopping for a Kindle for my mom. Barnes and Noble doesn't do anything like that with their Nook lineup.


I did. It's so unobtrusive that it seems silly not to. Now if they had visible ads when you have a book open, or if you ever had to wait for an ad to play, then I wouldn't have gone that route.
 
2012-09-09 09:31:02 AM

" By Friday morning, the Web was rumbling as it began to become clear that all of the new Fire tablets were "Special Offers" versions that included advertisements on the lock screen and (much smaller) on the main home screen. "


What kind of Mickey Mouse crap is this where they even have ads on the lockscreen? That's pretty petty.

And even these ads can be blocked by a hack, how many Fire owners do you expect to want to root/hack their tablet? Funny how Farkers talk like everyone can/or wants to mess with the guts of their electronics. People buy the damn devices so they can do stuff, not so they can waste their time trying to get the thing to work properly.

 
2012-09-09 09:35:28 AM
White people problems.
 
2012-09-09 09:47:19 AM
Previous Fire versions don't have the ads. These were just on the new models.

Amazon is usually great with their PR and giving people exactly what they want. I can't imagine what idiot decided that they wouldn't give an ad free version up front.

Now it makes them look bad.
 
2012-09-09 09:50:41 AM
Wait a second. I thought the original Fire has so much buying up-sell metrics that it made sense to sell the hardware at a break-even..

Put in your gold box and app offers and I'll see if I decide to buy. If you're going to push ads like this then I expect to be able to buy this thing for $50 since your measurable ad return is so much greater.

You don't get to double dip. Glad they got called to the carpet on this.
 
2012-09-09 09:51:53 AM

Norad: White people problems.


i know, right? they should all just die
 
2012-09-09 09:57:15 AM
When the Kindles with Special offers first came out, the coupons were great. Free Amazon GCs, 1/2 price Roku, 1/2 price Amazon Food purchases, Textbook coupons, Office supplies, etc. I paid for my Kindle easily while buying a lot of stuff I would anyway. Now that they've started selling space to other companies, the coupons suck now. Also, since I don't live in a major market, I get the coupons classified as "national", so they're usually internet coupons for websites I don't want to visit. Since my old Kindle has no need to be online, I just keep the wifi turned off and load new books with the cable. When the last ads it downloaded expired, it stopped showing them and went to default Kindle screensavers.

If I got a new Fire (probably not now, I have a Gen1), I'd give them a shot. You barely saw them on the old Kindles.
 
2012-09-09 10:05:54 AM

skinink: " By Friday morning, the Web was rumbling as it began to become clear that all of the new Fire tablets were "Special Offers" versions that included advertisements on the lock screen and (much smaller) on the main home screen. "
What kind of Mickey Mouse crap is this where they even have ads on the lockscreen? That's pretty petty.

And even these ads can be blocked by a hack, how many Fire owners do you expect to want to root/hack their tablet? Funny how Farkers talk like everyone can/or wants to mess with the guts of their electronics. People buy the damn devices so they can do stuff, not so they can waste their time trying to get the thing to work properly.


I have a Kindle Keyboard that has ads on the lock screen and it's utterly not an issue to me. Only one was of any interest--and at the time I was overseas and the link behind the ad didn't work.
 
2012-09-09 10:12:55 AM
"...began shipping next week"

Brilliant reportage!!
 
2012-09-09 10:13:43 AM

coderitr: Arachnophobe: and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

Except that ...

1. It's half the price of a similarly equipped iPad
2. It's not Apple


$299 for the 8.9" 16gb

Arachnophobe: oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL

You're a bit off on the price, the Fire HD is $199 with 16gb memory. Does video, music, streaming, all that fun stuff. I did not know that you couldn't opt out of the 'special offers' on those, though. That's been standard on the normal eReader Kindles (the ones that are replacements for books and nothing else), it's a $20 price difference. The new giant 8.9" Kindle Fire is the $500 one, and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.


The 64gb 8.9" Fire HD is $500. The 16gb version is $299, which is $200 cheaper than a 16gb iPad. The Fire HD's screen is a little smaller, however.

If I didn't already have an iPad and there weren't rumors of an 7" iPad, I'd be ordering a 7" fire HD for my wife.
 
2012-09-09 10:16:03 AM

Memoryalpha: Root it, reinstall it with ICS, (Jellybean when it's available) and presto decent tablet perfectly usable as an e-reader with no advertising. Who doesn't strip the drm out of ebooks they bought?


Strange world you live in where everyone knows what rooting or removing DRM means let alone how to do it.
 
2012-09-09 10:23:50 AM
What do you expect when you pay $159 for a tablet? Someone has to pay for the R&D, manufacturing, marketing, shipping, etc. This can't happen for a mere $159, so if you want to go cheap, you have to endure the advertisers, who are footing most of the bill for you. Or you can shell out a few more bucks and get a full-functional tablet.
 
2012-09-09 10:31:43 AM

oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL


These are Kindle TABLETS, not readers, dumbass.
 
2012-09-09 10:43:01 AM

moralpanic: oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL

These are Kindle TABLETS, not readers, dumbass.


So you can't use them to read books? Wow Amazon really farked up on that one!
 
2012-09-09 10:47:05 AM
I'm reading this on an older Kindle Fire. Never have seen any ads.
 
2012-09-09 10:49:58 AM

coderitr: Arachnophobe: and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

Except that ...

1. It's half the price of a similarly equipped iPad
2. It's not Apple


this

And the first Fire has no adds, they released the fire-HD for 150$ which is alot less then the first fire at 200$, except the new one had ads, they are non-intrusive, and fairly small. my wife's kindle e-reader has them, my fire does not.

Not sure what all the nerd-rage is about. kindles been doing this for quite awhile now. offering 2 models, one with and one without ads. and you could always pay 15 bucks if the ads got annoying, which effectively raises it to the non-ad price.
 
2012-09-09 10:57:34 AM

coderitr: Arachnophobe: and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

Except that ...

1. It's half the price of a similarly equipped iPad
2. It's not Apple



on a side-note i was at a bbq, and someone had an IPAD. i made a snarky comment(as is my wont), and they came up with an endorsement for apple which actually makes sense for once. they said

I dont want to buy a PC or android based devise because I am computer-stupid, I need something that will do all the work for me, even if it's not exactly what i need done. Apple products are good enough, not great, but good enough. Thinking back to all the apple users I've known, I can see how their marketing appeals to them. It's years of "X for dummies" books and the glorification of low expectations. They have gotten people to believe it's ok to be an idiot.
 
2012-09-09 10:59:15 AM

Norad: White people problems.


Are you suggesting black people can't read? Racist.
 
2012-09-09 11:01:20 AM
There is no reason to be locked into a single provider like this. Anyone buying a Kindle is volunteering to be bent over a table and raped by Amazon at every opportunity. The Kindle is closed even compared to offerings from Apple and Microsoft and that's saying something.
 
2012-09-09 11:03:25 AM
i have a stupid question- can you upload dvd movies on to these kindle fires? or is it via streaming only (like netflix)?

/never had a tablet
//wants something to surf the net, has an e-reader, and movies would be a plus.
 
2012-09-09 11:05:21 AM
SwingDancer:on a side-note i was at a bbq, and someone had an IPAD. i made a snarky comment(as is my wont), and they came up with an endorsement for apple which actually makes sense for once. they said

I dont want to buy a PC or android based devise because I am computer-stupid, I need something that will do all the work for me, even if it's not exactly what i need done. Apple products are good enough, not great, but good enough. Thinking back to all the apple users I've known, I can see how their marketing appeals to them. It's years of "X for dummies" books and the glorification of low expectations. They have gotten people to believe it's ok to be an idiot.

This is a perfectly legitimate reason to go Apple. I actually hate their products (Android and Windows guy here), but I've considered buying a couple iPads for my parents. They're tech-illiterate and an iPad as as a replacement PC (with a keyboard) would work out perfectly for them.
 
2012-09-09 11:05:36 AM
nexus 7, guys. that's where it's at.

also, i never see ads on my basic kindle reader because i never connect it to the internet. calibre, and that bit torrent thing. they wouldn't much bother me because they're just on the screen it goes to when you haven't touched it for 15 minutes, but didn't bother to turn it off. on a tablet, tho, that would really bug me.
 
2012-09-09 11:06:25 AM

jjwars1: Memoryalpha: Root it, reinstall it with ICS, (Jellybean when it's available) and presto decent tablet perfectly usable as an e-reader with no advertising. Who doesn't strip the drm out of ebooks they bought?

Strange world you live in where everyone knows what rooting or removing DRM means let alone how to do it.


I live in a world where a search engine that can provide detailed instructions for both of those rather simple procedures is a few keystrokes away. You know, the same one you live in. Now if you can possibly manage to be less of a prick that would make the world a much nicer place for everyone.
 
2012-09-09 11:07:32 AM

Huggermugger: I'm reading this on an older Kindle Fire. Never have seen any ads.




Right. That's the joke. They were making pretty good margin on sales taken through the tablets on the first run. It was a good sales model. This time around, they got greedy, and stuck in more ads than was acceptable to the consumer, and got called on it.
 
2012-09-09 11:10:44 AM

drxym: There is no reason to be locked into a single provider like this. Anyone buying a Kindle is volunteering to be bent over a table and raped by Amazon at every opportunity. The Kindle is closed even compared to offerings from Apple and Microsoft and that's saying something.


no clue what your talking about huh? I have 100ebooks an my fire i've bought 3 of them thru amazon 2 thru B&K and the rest thru u-torrent. Same with videos. free apps come from amazon, non-free apps come from sideloading apk's which is just a matter of hooking up your usb and copying them. how much easier is it to do on apple devices? any hoops to jump thru?
 
2012-09-09 11:11:16 AM

Memoryalpha: jjwars1: Memoryalpha: Root it, reinstall it with ICS, (Jellybean when it's available) and presto decent tablet perfectly usable as an e-reader with no advertising. Who doesn't strip the drm out of ebooks they bought?

Strange world you live in where everyone knows what rooting or removing DRM means let alone how to do it.

I live in a world where a search engine that can provide detailed instructions for both of those rather simple procedures is a few keystrokes away. You know, the same one you live in. Now if you can possibly manage to be less of a prick that would make the world a much nicer place for everyone.


Behold, a Linux user with a tablet.
 
2012-09-09 11:28:58 AM

GORDON: Norad: White people problems.

i know, right? they should all just die


Yeah, they never contribute to society
 
2012-09-09 11:35:16 AM

clipperbox: i have a stupid question- can you upload dvd movies on to these kindle fires? or is it via streaming only (like netflix)?

/never had a tablet
//wants something to surf the net, has an e-reader, and movies would be a plus.


yes you can. you need a separate cable (sold separately) but you can transfer movie files from your computer (.avi and .wmv format, maybe others too) and watch them no problem. that's actually what i bought my kindle fire for.
 
2012-09-09 11:38:09 AM

Cupajo: SwingDancer:on a side-note i was at a bbq, and someone had an IPAD. i made a snarky comment(as is my wont), and they came up with an endorsement for apple which actually makes sense for once. they said

I dont want to buy a PC or android based devise because I am computer-stupid, I need something that will do all the work for me, even if it's not exactly what i need done. Apple products are good enough, not great, but good enough. Thinking back to all the apple users I've known, I can see how their marketing appeals to them. It's years of "X for dummies" books and the glorification of low expectations. They have gotten people to believe it's ok to be an idiot.

This is a perfectly legitimate reason to go Apple. I actually hate their products (Android and Windows guy here), but I've considered buying a couple iPads for my parents. They're tech-illiterate and an iPad as as a replacement PC (with a keyboard) would work out perfectly for them.


Durr, I no know computers I touch screenz bleep bloop Angry Birds.

/as long as, in my experience, Apple makes the most responsive screens and developers create programs for iOS first (as there is possibly money to be made through the app store) and then port to android or other operating systems. As long as the iPad is considered the top dog, I will continue to buy. If something else comes around that becomes top dog I will buy that. (I would drop my iphone in a second if I can find a device that beats the iphone's camera in every way... Nokia seems interesting, but need to wait and see).
 
2012-09-09 11:41:44 AM

SwingDancer: on a side-note i was at a bbq, and someone had an IPAD. i made a snarky comment(as is my wont), and they came up with an endorsement for apple which actually makes sense for once. they said

I dont want to buy a PC or android based devise because I am computer-stupid, I need something that will do all the work for me, even if it's not exactly what i need done. Apple products are good enough, not great, but good enough. Thinking back to all the apple users I've known, I can see how their marketing appeals to them. It's years of "X for dummies" books and the glorification of low expectations. They have gotten people to believe it's ok to be an idiot.


Memoryalpha: jjwars1: Memoryalpha: Root it, reinstall it with ICS, (Jellybean when it's available) and presto decent tablet perfectly usable as an e-reader with no advertising. Who doesn't strip the drm out of ebooks they bought?

Strange world you live in where everyone knows what rooting or removing DRM means let alone how to do it.

I live in a world where a search engine that can provide detailed instructions for both of those rather simple procedures is a few keystrokes away. You know, the same one you live in. Now if you can possibly manage to be less of a prick that would make the world a much nicer place for everyone.


Interesting how the two people in the thread who are coming across as the biggest dicks are also the two people trying to browbeat people into following their 'one true way' of computing. I even agree with you guys in some ways, but sheesh, I don't think you could possibly be *more* counterproductive to your causes if you tried.
 
2012-09-09 11:42:19 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: coderitr: Arachnophobe: and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

Except that ...

1. It's half the price of a similarly equipped iPad
2. It's not Apple

$299 for the 8.9" 16gbArachnophobe: oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL

You're a bit off on the price, the Fire HD is $199 with 16gb memory. Does video, music, streaming, all that fun stuff. I did not know that you couldn't opt out of the 'special offers' on those, though. That's been standard on the normal eReader Kindles (the ones that are replacements for books and nothing else), it's a $20 price difference. The new giant 8.9" Kindle Fire is the $500 one, and at that point you really might as well just go iPad.

The 64gb 8.9" Fire HD is $500. The 16gb version is $299, which is $200 cheaper than a 16gb iPad. The Fire HD's screen is a little smaller, however.

If I didn't already have an iPad and there weren't rumors of an 7" iPad, I'd be ordering a 7" fire HD for my wife.



I've go some 7" fire for your wife right over here


/sadly I don't
 
2012-09-09 11:45:18 AM
@Mawson

I agree. In my IT experience, the number of idiots using Kindle Fire's vs. the number of idiots using iPads is relatively the same.

That said, after working on and using both devices--I find the Kindle Fire's software and user experience lacking. The new Kindle Fire HD from a cursory review.... doesn't have GPS (Which is really strange considering they advertise so heavily) or a gyroscope (which I would think would limit game development). It's almost there--but not yet. With their sales method consisting of running such a low profit margin, I don't know if they'll get there either.
 
2012-09-09 11:49:49 AM
What I found to be simpler solution to the whole mess: I bought an Ectaco JetBook Lite. It uses AA batteries, true, but carrying a spare set of rechargeables has advantages over needing the plug in the device when power runs low. Allowing for the extra thickness due to the AA batteries, the whole thing is about the dimensions of a paperback book. Stuff it in a plastic shopping bag for protection and shove it in your pocket. The smallest Kindle I've ever seen is too large to carry in any convenient way, unless you routinely carry a bag everywhere you go, I don't carry a bag everywhere.

Back to the JBL: No radio, and aside from the books it comes with, I decide what goes in it, via SD card or USB cable, and no one gets to do dodgy things by remote. It doesn't have the nifty e-ink screen, but I can live with LCD, and if I manage to get a book in some format the JBL doesn't support directly, there is Calibre.

While it is possible to use a fancy color tablet as an e-reader, the power requirements are unjustifiable from my viewpoint, and the size is unmanageble. I'll take a dedicated, small reader for reading, a tablet will be for other purposes, assuming I can ever figure out what you can use the things for other than spending money on over-priced distractions. Ads? You gotta be joking!
 
2012-09-09 11:50:14 AM

enderthexenocide: clipperbox: i have a stupid question- can you upload dvd movies on to these kindle fires? or is it via streaming only (like netflix)?

/never had a tablet
//wants something to surf the net, has an e-reader, and movies would be a plus.

yes you can. you need a separate cable (sold separately) but you can transfer movie files from your computer (.avi and .wmv format, maybe others too) and watch them no problem. that's actually what i bought my kindle fire for.



thanks for the info
 
2012-09-09 11:52:27 AM

SwingDancer: on a side-note i was at a bbq, and someone had an IPAD. i made a snarky comment(as is my wont), and they came up with an endorsement for apple which actually makes sense for once. they said

I dont want to buy a PC or android based devise because I am computer-stupid, I need something that will do all the work for me, even if it's not exactly what i need done. Apple products are good enough, not great, but good enough. Thinking back to all the apple users I've known, I can see how their marketing appeals to them. It's years of "X for dummies" books and the glorification of low expectations. They have gotten people to believe it's ok to be an idiot.


Not just OK, but even desirable. I can't tell you how much shiat I've gotten in my life because I actually know how to use computers and hack gadgets and what not. Even right here on Fark, where we're all kind of nerdy in the first place, I've been flamed and called names just for explaining to people how they can keep their shiat secure, or how to build a PC, or what not.

I often wonder if these people apply the same thinking to the rest of their every day lives that they do to their PC usage. Do they just get behind the wheel of their car and do shiat randomly, because learning to drive is for "NERDS~!"? Do they then blame others for the broken hydrants and dented cars they leave in their wake?
 
2012-09-09 12:03:41 PM
oukewldave

Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL

We've been assured it makes perfect sense to spend over 100 bucks to buy a device that you then pay to load up with books* that you don't own** and that costs as much (and frequently more) as the physical version of the same book.

Yeah this digital media thing is brilliant. o.O


* that the seller can delete at will.

** Which means you can't share or loan{in all but a very few cases}, can't sell, and can't even give/bequeath to others.
 
2012-09-09 12:07:22 PM

MuonNeutrino: SwingDancer: on a side-note i was at a bbq, and someone had an IPAD. i made a snarky comment(as is my wont), and they came up with an endorsement for apple which actually makes sense for once. they said

Memoryalpha: jjwars1: Memoryalpha: Blah deleted for brevity

Interesting how the two people in the thread who are coming across as the biggest dicks are also the two people trying to browbeat people into following their 'one true way' of computing. I even agree with you guys in some ways, but sheesh, I don't think you could possibly be *more* counterproductive to your causes if you tried.


Hello sock puppet. As to accusations of brow beating, you accuse the wrong person. I merely made a suggestion of the most effective way to get around the whole advertising issue, was attacked for it, and responded as appropriately as possible given the medium. Now feel free to log back onto your other account to back yourself up.
 
2012-09-09 12:08:23 PM

"...Apple makes the most responsive screens and developers create programs for iOS first (as there is possibly money to be made through the app store) and then port to android or other operating systems...."


Just to throw this out there, developers may code for iOS first, but I've never had a problem of not finding something on Google Play's store. Actually I just took a trip and and on Android used two airline apps which stored my boarding passes on my phone. Was pretty nice to just have it right there on the phone. Plus Flight Tracker kept me up to date on Airplane gates, any changes. My point is Android may not have the same volume of apps Apple has, but there's still a lot of apps there.

 
2012-09-09 12:15:46 PM

SwingDancer: no clue what your talking about huh? I have 100ebooks an my fire i've bought 3 of them thru amazon 2 thru B&K and the rest thru u-torrent. Same with videos. free apps come from amazon, non-free apps come from sideloading apk's which is just a matter of hooking up your usb and copying them. how much easier is it to do on apple devices? any hoops to jump thru?


Listen to yourself. You're using hacks like side loading in the last generation of this device to justify some of the absolutely worst default behaviour of any tablet. Made worse because now you get advertising in the UI proper whether you want it or not. Amazon are not alone in trying to screw their customers (RIM, Apple and Microsoft all do it too) but they push it even further and there is no reason it should be considered acceptable.
 
2012-09-09 12:30:00 PM

oukewldave: Wait. I admit I know nearly nothing about these Kindles and whatever things. They are replacements for books, right? So you spend $500 on a digital book reader and it is full of advertisements? And people still buy them? LOL


Well, there are two lines of kindles. There is the tablet line (the fire) which is like an iPad. You can read books on it if you want, but you can also watch movies, browse the web, or do whatever you want. It's about $200. The Kindle Fire is the topic of this discussion. From what I can tell, most people who are buying the fire aren't buying them specifically to read books.

Then there are the e-paper kindles. They are the cheap ones (~$100) that have a long battery life and the e-paper is easy on the eyes. They have a full-screen ad when it's off, and they have a small banner ad on the book selection screen. There are no visible ads when reading a book. There are some games available for the e-paper kindles, and on some models it is possible to browse the web, but they work best as an ebook reader and mostly suck at everything else. Amazon just announced an update for the e-paper line that has higher resolution and a front-lit screen. The price is still okay.

So why would you want a kindle fire? Dunno, ask someone who has one. ;) I'd prefer a $200 netbook, so obviously I'm not the target market.

Why would you want an kindle e-book reader? Because in a pretty light-weight package, you have something with an exceptional battery life and a ton of reading material available. I probably only "buy" 5% of what's on my kindle, the rest are library books loaned from the library, public-domain ebooks, freebie ebooks, or websites and articles converted with programs like calibre or webapps like instapaper. I keep mine in a water resistant hardshell case for storage, and it still weighs in the neighborhood of one single smaller hardcover book. I think it's a decent deal if you read a lot.
 
2012-09-09 12:35:25 PM

GORDON: Norad: White people problems.

i know, right? they should all just die


They are. *Cackle*

Projected change in Texas (2000-2040)
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