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2012-09-09 06:40:04 PM

FeedTheCollapse: I would say the bolded statement describes Shyamalan/Last Airbender more than it does The Fountain. The Last Airbender had a built-in audience that, from what I understand, was largely ignored in favor of someone unfamiliar and/or indifferent to the film's source material. What built-in audience did the Fountain have?


Hell he did more than ignore the built in audience. He ignored the source material all together other than the very basic plot. He changed the way characters names were pronounced, changed several of the characters important personality traits, took what was one of the major parts of the show (the element bending) and made it a ridiculous joke, took a story that was way, way too long for adaptation to a single movie and cut some of the more important character development out of it. Add to that some piss poor acting and horrid 3d conversion and you have a recipe for suck.
 
2012-09-09 06:44:14 PM

intelligent comment below: Relevant username


Yeah. Nothing like trying to shoehorn politics into a thread. But hey, trolls gonna troll.
 
2012-09-09 08:08:39 PM
I found the trailer unbearable; can't imagine how the movie must be. IMDB lists it at 164 minutes running time. It should feature an intermission, sponsored by Starbucks or 5-Hour Energy.
 
2012-09-09 09:59:14 PM

intelligent comment below: douchebag/hater: FTFR: 'Don't expect conventional punchlines here. Instead, these stories push moral and ethical buttons in some unusual and even oblique ways,'

Really?

So we won't be seeing the usual Leftist claptrap about how corporations are bad and making money or profits is bad and personal freedom is bad and diversity is good but not if you have differing political opinions?

Yeah, I'd go see that but that movie hasn't been made.


Relevant username


You're new around here, aren't you?
 
2012-09-09 10:14:36 PM

douchebag/hater: FTFR: 'Don't expect conventional punchlines here. Instead, these stories push moral and ethical buttons in some unusual and even oblique ways,'

Really?

So we won't be seeing the usual Leftist claptrap about how corporations are bad and making money or profits is bad and personal freedom is bad and diversity is good but not if you have differing political opinions?

Yeah, I'd go see that but that movie hasn't been made.


Actually, Atlas Shrugged came out last year. It was just so bad that no one saw it.
 
2012-09-09 10:16:28 PM

FeedTheCollapse: first I have heard of this book/movie. Sounds interesting, though I thought of The Fountain as well. I'll check it out.


Funbags: antron: * watches trailer *

so... The Fountain?

I've always maintained that The Fountain was a prime example of the perils of giving a successful producer/director carte blanche to make whatever movie he/she wants to make, with zero consideration for the expected audience.

Aronofsky got his with The Fountain. Its well-documented that it was a deeply personal campaign of his, and only after switching studios and scaling back the budget was he able to pinch out his overtly philosophical turdling.

M Night Shyamalan got his with the lambastable Airbender, which alienated the only real audience for the film--fans of the cartoon. One would have thought the Wachowski siblings would have already had their ego-project comeuppance with the garish, ill-conceived failure of Speed Racer. And yet, here we are. The trailer for Cloud Atlas plays out like a muddled, less-coherent Crash.



I would say the bolded statement describes Shyamalan/Last Airbender more than it does The Fountain. The Last Airbender had a built-in audience that, from what I understand, was largely ignored in favor of someone unfamiliar and/or indifferent to the film's source material. What built-in audience did the Fountain have?


It didn't have one. but Aronofsky didn't care. That's my over-riding point.

Airbender had one, but from what I've read, Shyamalan crapped all over them. Speed Racer had one too (fringe as they may be) but they were either too fringe or too disaffected to show up and make that film profitable.
 
2012-09-09 11:38:54 PM

metztli: I wonder what the diagnosis for "people who are really way, way, WAY too concerned with what other people have in their pants, to the point where they will bring it up when irrelevant in order to bash people they don't know" would be.

What's funny about you guys going back and forth reassuring each other that nope, you're 100% super confident in your own sexual orientation and aren't those he/shes just subhuman and crazy is that time and time again we've seen that the only people who seem invested in reflexively bashing people who are gay, trans, or anything other than straight/cisgendered are people who themselves are gay, trans or anything other than straight/cisgendered and deeply troubled by it.

Seriously, any time someone starts in with the bashing based on orientation or identity, the rest of us just set our stopwatches to see how long it will be before you're found sucking some dude off in a public toilet or found to enjoy dressing up like a pretty, pretty princess and called a slut while your ass gets pounded by strange men you meet off Craigslist.


that's a lot of words to say "NO U"
 
2012-09-10 05:06:24 AM

Funbags: FeedTheCollapse: What built-in audience did the Fountain have?

It didn't have one. but Aronofsky didn't care. That's my over-riding point.


well... so what? Art can't be made for personal reasons, only for money? Art is worthless until it is profitable?


not saying The Fountain didn't have its flaws, but I think you're choosing a very shallow reason to dislike it.
 
2012-09-10 05:26:09 AM
I just read that book. It was good, but kind of light. I mean to say that the themes that the writer tackled were too easy. There could have been more to it, but in the end it was just "oppression is bad, freedom is good". That's not really all that interesting, and I can completely see how any film version of this will be totally underwhelming in the end.

Also, I thought that the guy in "Joshua's Crossing" was very young, or at least in his '20s. Why cast Tom Hanks as that character? And will he do the horrible voice and be accused of racism?
 
2012-09-10 07:45:58 AM

douchebag/hater: You're new around here, aren't you?



You hate life so much you get your kicks trolling an internet website?
 
2012-09-10 09:00:29 AM

metztli: I wonder what the diagnosis for "people who are really way, way, WAY too concerned with what other people have in their pants, to the point where they will bring it up when irrelevant in order to bash people they don't know" would be.

What's funny about you guys going back and forth reassuring each other that nope, you're 100% super confident in your own sexual orientation and aren't those he/shes just subhuman and crazy is that time and time again we've seen that the only people who seem invested in reflexively bashing people who are gay, trans, or anything other than straight/cisgendered are people who themselves are gay, trans or anything other than straight/cisgendered and deeply troubled by it.

Seriously, any time someone starts in with the bashing based on orientation or identity, the rest of us just set our stopwatches to see how long it will be before you're found sucking some dude off in a public toilet or found to enjoy dressing up like a pretty, pretty princess and called a slut while your ass gets pounded by strange men you meet off Craigslist.


Well, there's a Raw Nerve mapped and cataloged.

\that wasn't just random was it?
\\same kind of response you get when you pester the 300 lb Goth guy about dressing properly for work
 
2012-09-10 10:04:38 AM

CheapEngineer: metztli: I wonder what the diagnosis for "people who are really way, way, WAY too concerned with what other people have in their pants, to the point where they will bring it up when irrelevant in order to bash people they don't know" would be.

What's funny about you guys going back and forth reassuring each other that nope, you're 100% super confident in your own sexual orientation and aren't those he/shes just subhuman and crazy is that time and time again we've seen that the only people who seem invested in reflexively bashing people who are gay, trans, or anything other than straight/cisgendered are people who themselves are gay, trans or anything other than straight/cisgendered and deeply troubled by it.

Seriously, any time someone starts in with the bashing based on orientation or identity, the rest of us just set our stopwatches to see how long it will be before you're found sucking some dude off in a public toilet or found to enjoy dressing up like a pretty, pretty princess and called a slut while your ass gets pounded by strange men you meet off Craigslist.

Well, there's a Raw Nerve mapped and cataloged.

\that wasn't just random was it?
\\same kind of response you get when you pester the 300 lb Goth guy about dressing properly for work


The bashers were pretty randomly bringing up the gender identity of someone when it was completely irrelevant and having themselves a little circle jerk over just how totally icked out by it they are. As I said, the only people who feel compelled to do that kind of thing are people with their own issues.

And yeah, for the record, it is a raw nerve. I work helping young people who have been kicked out of their homes, beaten, raped and otherwise horribly abused because people like those chucklefarks seem to feel compelled to create a culture of hostility and dehumanization for those with other than hetro orientations and other than cisgender identities. So when I see that kind of shiat, and people being oh so proud of themselves (while we all know exactly what's going on underneath) I feel like one should call them on it. The world would be a better place if people like them would just get the fark over their own issues rather than take it out on people who at least have the courage to be themselves.

But hey, feel free to demean and dehumanize other people, or support throwing of same, and don't worry your precious little head over it. Mean old Metztli won't make you guys feel bad about it anymore.
 
2012-09-10 10:50:56 AM

metztli: The bashers were pretty randomly bringing up the gender identity of someone when it was completely irrelevant and having themselves a little circle jerk over just how totally icked out by it they are. As I said, the only people who feel compelled to do that kind of thing are people with their own issues.


I have to say I agree. It always makes me think of the anti-gay Florida state congress person who claimed he was afraid of the black state trooper in the men's bathroom. So afraid, that he offered him $20 to smoke his pole. Because that's just what you do when you're afraid of something, pay to suck it. That defuses the fear.
 
2012-09-10 10:57:00 AM

metztli: CheapEngineer: metztli: I wonder what the diagnosis for "people who are really way, way, WAY too concerned with what other people have in their pants, to the point where they will bring it up when irrelevant in order to bash people they don't know" would be.

What's funny about you guys going back and forth reassuring each other that nope, you're 100% super confident in your own sexual orientation and aren't those he/shes just subhuman and crazy is that time and time again we've seen that the only people who seem invested in reflexively bashing people who are gay, trans, or anything other than straight/cisgendered are people who themselves are gay, trans or anything other than straight/cisgendered and deeply troubled by it.

Seriously, any time someone starts in with the bashing based on orientation or identity, the rest of us just set our stopwatches to see how long it will be before you're found sucking some dude off in a public toilet or found to enjoy dressing up like a pretty, pretty princess and called a slut while your ass gets pounded by strange men you meet off Craigslist.

Well, there's a Raw Nerve mapped and cataloged.

\that wasn't just random was it?
\\same kind of response you get when you pester the 300 lb Goth guy about dressing properly for work

The bashers were pretty randomly bringing up the gender identity of someone when it was completely irrelevant and having themselves a little circle jerk over just how totally icked out by it they are. As I said, the only people who feel compelled to do that kind of thing are people with their own issues.

And yeah, for the record, it is a raw nerve. I work helping young people who have been kicked out of their homes, beaten, raped and otherwise horribly abused because people like those chucklefarks seem to feel compelled to create a culture of hostility and dehumanization for those with other than hetro orientations and other than cisgender identities. So when I see that kind of shiat, and people being oh s ...


Swingin' at me doesn't do anything but make you all sweaty and stuff. I didn't disagree with you, just that this is the wrong place to expect Tenderness. You need to remember that this is Fark, and when you're here Snark rules over Compassion.

\of course, you're following the *other* Fark rule
\\"lay into people as you wish, as questions later"
 
2012-09-10 12:27:08 PM
Carth: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Carth: The Fountain copied Cloud Atlas a bit but it never was able to put together a coherent story. The Fountain was a movie that needed an extra 60 minutes of film time to make sense. At 3 hours hopefully cloud atlas doesn't have the same problem.

What? No. Aronofsky had been trying to get The Fountain made for a decade already.

Also, I love The Fountain, but it was not too short. They already repeated so many of the scenes as to almost make it tedious. And yes, the repetition was part of the point but it did NOT need another hour.

Aronofsky is the one who said he had to cut back on the length and scope after they lost half their funding when Pitt left. He talked about it in the DVD commentary he put up on his site. The movie was good but at 96 minutes it felt disjointed and it was clear watching the documentary DVD extra that he wanted to include a bunch of things he wasn't able to.


Ummm.

The movie was canceled, all assets destroyed, the script re-wrote, then picked back up. It wasn't a editing down to what works, more then a reimagining the movie.

Not sure what was disjointed about it. It jumped around in time, but that's what made it work for me.
 
2012-09-10 12:31:20 PM
intelligent comment below: TyrantII: You got to remember, Inception was straining fro most people. A movie where everything was explained in dialogue, and was pretty straight forward recursion.


Yes but was he dreaming at the end?


No, because Nolan didn't do the legwork to ground it either way. A 100% ambiguous ending is a cop-out IMO, not deep or philosophical.

batman was fun, but Nolans earlier work on shoestring budgets still outshines his blockbusters by a good margin.

/Love me some Memento
 
2012-09-10 05:25:51 PM

thisispete: delathi: Well, based on the trailer (never read the book) this movie has to be either completely amazeballs or totally suck.

The trailer leaves no room for 'kinda ok'

The trailer looks very promising. After reading this thread I've just ordered the book. I hope it doesn't suck.


It doesn't
 
2012-09-10 05:31:56 PM

douchebag/hater: FTFR: 'Don't expect conventional punchlines here. Instead, these stories push moral and ethical buttons in some unusual and even oblique ways,'

Really?

So we won't be seeing the usual Leftist claptrap about how corporations are bad and making money or profits is bad and personal freedom is bad and diversity is good but not if you have differing political opinions?

Yeah, I'd go see that but that movie hasn't been made.


The book is a great read until the last paragraph when it hits you over the head with "Corporations Evil, Socialism Good!"
 
2012-09-10 06:07:01 PM

TyrantII: intelligent comment below: TyrantII: You got to remember, Inception was straining fro most people. A movie where everything was explained in dialogue, and was pretty straight forward recursion.


Yes but was he dreaming at the end?

No, because Nolan didn't do the legwork to ground it either way. A 100% ambiguous ending is a cop-out IMO, not deep or philosophical.

batman was fun, but Nolans earlier work on shoestring budgets still outshines his blockbusters by a good margin.

/Love me some Memento


Funny...I don't feel drunk...
 
2012-09-10 06:25:39 PM

jaybeezey: douchebag/hater: FTFR: 'Don't expect conventional punchlines here. Instead, these stories push moral and ethical buttons in some unusual and even oblique ways,'

Really?

So we won't be seeing the usual Leftist claptrap about how corporations are bad and making money or profits is bad and personal freedom is bad and diversity is good but not if you have differing political opinions?

Yeah, I'd go see that but that movie hasn't been made.

The book is a great read until the last paragraph when it hits you over the head with "Corporations Evil, Socialism Good!"


If that's what you got out of the book you might want to take a reading comprehension class.
 
2012-09-10 10:13:52 PM

TyrantII: intelligent comment below: TyrantII: You got to remember, Inception was straining fro most people. A movie where everything was explained in dialogue, and was pretty straight forward recursion.


Yes but was he dreaming at the end?

No, because Nolan didn't do the legwork to ground it either way. A 100% ambiguous ending is a cop-out IMO, not deep or philosophical.

batman was fun, but Nolans earlier work on shoestring budgets still outshines his blockbusters by a good margin.

/Love me some Memento


maintain that at the end of Inception he WAS dreaming, for no other reason than the fact that the top was never his totem. it was Mal's.
 
2012-09-10 11:51:28 PM
The Tree of Life sucked and so did The Fountain. The Wachowskis have a pretty good track record OTOH, The Matrix was awesome and so was its prequel, so was V for Vendetta, i even liked Speed Racer, and how could you not like Bound? I mean, theyve only made those 4 and a half movies, but its a solid track record.
 
2012-09-11 07:47:51 AM

Cyno01: The Tree of Life sucked and so did The Fountain. The Wachowskis have a pretty good track record OTOH, The Matrix was awesome and so was its prequel, so was V for Vendetta, i even liked Speed Racer, and how could you not like Bound? I mean, theyve only made those 4 and a half movies, but its a solid track record.


What was the prequel to The Matrix? I'd like to see that.
 
2012-09-11 08:57:47 AM

Crewmannumber6: Cyno01: The Tree of Life sucked and so did The Fountain. The Wachowskis have a pretty good track record OTOH, The Matrix was awesome and so was its prequel, so was V for Vendetta, i even liked Speed Racer, and how could you not like Bound? I mean, theyve only made those 4 and a half movies, but its a solid track record.

What was the prequel to The Matrix? I'd like to see that.


The Terminator series.

/but the animatrix
 
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