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(Hot Air)   Obama in January: GOP Idea for medicare vouchers is horrible. Obama September 6, 2012: I will never put Medicare into a voucher program. Sept. 7, 2012: Obama administration starts a pilot program of 2 million seniors on a voucher program   (hotair.com) divider line 28
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2012-09-08 09:39:09 PM
17 votes:
Going out on a limb to say either this is false or taken out of context.

(reads article)

Yep. These are the states that are governed by the rule that says that they can only do this if the quality of care is equal to or better than the care that they get on traditional medicaid. The federal government established a minimum level, some states think they can save money by doing it themselves, the federal government agrees and gives them a block grant, but only if they agree to not decrease the level of care. Beyond setting the rules the feds have no involvement whatsoever in the state programs.

So, false *and* taken out of context. Horay, hot air!
2012-09-08 09:58:32 PM
6 votes:

xiaodown: Going out on a limb to say either this is false or taken out of context.

(reads article)

Yep. These are the states that are governed by the rule that says that they can only do this if the quality of care is equal to or better than the care that they get on traditional medicaid. The federal government established a minimum level, some states think they can save money by doing it themselves, the federal government agrees and gives them a block grant, but only if they agree to not decrease the level of care. Beyond setting the rules the feds have no involvement whatsoever in the state programs.

So, false *and* taken out of context. Horay, hot air!


That kind of sounds almost exactly like the "removed welfare work requirements" issue. Do they just use some sort of standard lie framework and try and fit it wherever they can?
2012-09-09 01:06:24 AM
5 votes:
Look, it's not that the admins greenlight conservative sites and threads. It's that they greenlight obvious non-factual, lying, troll bait threads that are debunked by comment two.
2012-09-08 10:21:18 PM
3 votes:
Oh look. Another "quality" conservative "news" outlet incessantly lying to the American people.

Your doing god's work, Hot Air. Humanity would truly be worse off should you fizzle into the ether.

/Sarcasm.
//If you get your information from Hot Air, you're absolutely worthless as a human being.
2012-09-08 10:09:34 PM
3 votes:
Medicare != Medicaid you dipshiats.
2012-09-09 09:26:13 AM
2 votes:

xiaodown: Going out on a limb to say either this is false or taken out of context.

(reads article)

Yep. These are the states that are governed by the rule that says that they can only do this if the quality of care is equal to or better than the care that they get on traditional medicaid. The federal government established a minimum level, some states think they can save money by doing it themselves, the federal government agrees and gives them a block grant, but only if they agree to not decrease the level of care. Beyond setting the rules the feds have no involvement whatsoever in the state programs.

So, false *and* taken out of context. Horay, hot air!


You know, I hate clicking on these conservative links. And yet again, another mischaracterization of facts. I am just tired of the lies. It is so shady. Conservatives make a big deal about Muslim terrorists saying, "They can lie. It's in their religion. They can lie for religious purposes." Yet, Christians don't recognize the lies that are being told and when they do, they say it's to SAVE AMERICA. It is harder and harder to have ANY respect for republicans. If they repeat this lie on the morning shows this morning, I hope the moderators call them out on it.
2012-09-09 06:01:43 AM
2 votes:
It took me about thirty seconds of reading to see that the article was bullshiat. Come on, Hot Air! If you're going to hand me a pile of shiat and try to convince me that it's Shinola, you could at least not insult my intelligence by making it so easy to debunk your bullshiat.

/are all Republicans and/or conservatives this stupid?
//or just the most vocal ones?
2012-09-09 05:37:36 AM
2 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Few are willing to admit that Obama and Romney really have little political differences...both are very much big government liberals.


The whole "Big government liberals" is about as true as claiming the media and facts have a liberal bias. Historically, government is significantly smaller under a Democratic leader, than a Republican one.
2012-09-09 01:09:33 AM
2 votes:
When Obama is against a GOP plan, they hate him. If he flip-flops and decides to try the GOP plan, they still hate him.

Why does this sound so familiar?
2012-09-09 12:53:46 AM
2 votes:
I'll give Hot Air this much, unlike American Thinker and Reason, at least they're honest in their name about what they peddle.
2012-09-09 03:29:59 PM
1 votes:

Bloody William: Wow. So... it's a voucher system that actually addresses the big gaping problem we have with a voucher system?


This isn't even a voucher system at all, the Medicare component is just plain old Medicare C.

The difference between Medicare C and a voucher system is the same as the difference between a defined benefits and defined contribution pension. Current Medicare (incl. C) covers a particular set of defined services. A voucher plan gives you a defined amount of money to purchase a plan with - how much or how little services that plan covers would vary by the cost of insurance.

The Ryan plan isn't "give people a private option" - there's already a private option, and has been for 15 years. The Ryan plan is basically a way to shift the burden of medical inflation from the government to the citizens. If medical inflation outpaces normal inflation, as it has been for a very long time, then either the insurance premiums will rise faster than the vouchers increase, or the insurance benefits will be reduced to keep the premiums down.
2012-09-09 02:45:27 PM
1 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Few are willing to admit that Obama and Romney really have little political differences...both are very much big government liberals.


It's amazing how the Republicans keep nominating big government liberals.
2012-09-09 11:59:45 AM
1 votes:

SecretAgentWoman: Benevolent Misanthrope: Medicare != Medicaid you dipshiats.


FAIL tag, otoh, works for Subby's headline and pretty much everything Hot Air has ever published.

So there's that.

"GOP 2012: Cos if we told the truth nobody would ever vote for us again."
2012-09-09 09:30:10 AM
1 votes:

xiaodown: Going out on a limb to say either this is false or taken out of context.

(reads article)

Yep. These are the states that are governed by the rule that says that they can only do this if the quality of care is equal to or better than the care that they get on traditional medicaid. The federal government established a minimum level, some states think they can save money by doing it themselves, the federal government agrees and gives them a block grant, but only if they agree to not decrease the level of care. Beyond setting the rules the feds have no involvement whatsoever in the state programs.

So, false *and* taken out of context. Horay, hot air!


Yeah, we were talking about this yesterday. It's basically just taking the dual-qualifiers, who are poor enough to qualify for Medicaid but old/infirm enough for Medicare (and who need both to get all of their care covered, because Medicaid covers not much), and saying "well fark, if these people qualify for Medicaid, let's just give them Medicaid, and if that isn't enough coverage then we'll expand it until it is". And then the Federal government is funding that expansion. Gets those people out of the Medicare system, the patients themselves don't have to deal with juggling insurance claim billing between the two systems, and there's no care actually lost since you're expanding Medicaid for that exact reason.

Also, it's adorable that they're making it sound like ERMAGERD ZEROBONGO SHOVES VOUCHERS ON US!@# when in fact the 18 states in the pilot program all applied for it themselves, and were accepted by the government.

/i know, i know, something about facts and the narrative
//using masshealth
///it's better than a lot of plans
2012-09-09 08:49:40 AM
1 votes:
The only Fail here seems to be the facts in the article, I could give subby the benefit of the doubt that he was being clever, but I doubt this is the case.
2012-09-09 08:39:16 AM
1 votes:

MFAWG: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x466]

I thought he always played a Gibson?


Was Lucille caught cheating on him? Or does Fender have worse "action" so he does his bottleneck playing on a Fender (he doesn't usually do bottleneck). I'd like to know, I'd like to know, there's hungry folks ask me where ever I go" (I know, that's Arlo's dad's song, but . . .).
2012-09-09 07:51:08 AM
1 votes:
Again, Drew is a republican douchebag.
2012-09-09 06:03:14 AM
1 votes:
Most families had a crazy ass uncle that spouted these absurd stories and had plenty of tin foil on hand to make hats. But now thanks to Faux news and many internet sites that crazy uncle is able to spread the news to a larger audience and more effectively repeat the lies over and over and combine them with other lies to make them more palatable to their viewers who are unlikely to actually verify the information.
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2012-09-09 06:03:04 AM
1 votes:

robsul82: Oh boy, can't wait for the TV ads and Fox News to press this lie into the public narrative.


heard it on a national conservative AM talk radio show like 12 hours ago (some show i never heard of before) ... saying how it was startling breaking news and Obama is just the lyingest liar to ever lie. then talking about how the mainstream liberal media would never report it. blah blah blah.

i assumed i'd look it up later to see if anything they were saying was based in reality or if it was just heavily distorted exasperated fear-peddling.

looks like the latter.
2012-09-09 06:01:06 AM
1 votes:

RobertBruce: Benevolent Misanthrope: Medicare != Medicaid you dipshiats.

So it screws the single moms instead. Just like the democrats always do.


So on which days of the week are single moms Welfare Queens Driving Cadillacs, and on which days are the Democrats screwing them?
2012-09-09 05:50:12 AM
1 votes:

batcookie: HighOnCraic: When Obama is against a GOP plan, they hate him. If he flip-flops and decides to try the GOP plan, they still hate him.

Why does this sound so familiar?

Because it's how partisan politics works. Always.


Man, it didn't used to be that way. In my lifetime, it's gone from polite disdain to cutthroat elections to "Let's kill the other side ALL THE FREAKING TIME because f*ck the American public."

I mean, I'm not even that old, and I can still remember when things actually got done in Congress.
2012-09-09 05:02:41 AM
1 votes:
Few are willing to admit that Obama and Romney really have little political differences...both are very much big government liberals.
2012-09-09 02:09:21 AM
1 votes:

mikemoto: This deserves an "Obvious" tag.


No, you deserve the img1.fark.net tag for 1) not fully researching the Hot Air article to find its bullshiat and 2) for not using HTML code and/or the handly buttons in the Comments window to include the img1.fark.net Graphics Interchange Format image. 

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2012-09-09 02:01:03 AM
1 votes:
WTF!

I read the document Hot Air linked to. I found no mention of vouchers. This program works with Massachusetts to enhance care for Medicare/Medicaid recipients.

What a fark load of bullshiat is Hot Air feeding its readers?
2012-09-09 01:17:27 AM
1 votes:

HighOnCraic: When Obama is against a GOP plan, they hate him. If he flip-flops and decides to try the GOP plan, they still hate him.

Why does this sound so familiar?


Because it's how partisan politics works. Always.
2012-09-09 01:04:10 AM
1 votes:
So...Hot Air lives up to its name, again? Must be a day ending in 'y".
2012-09-08 11:59:07 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Medicare != Medicaid you dipshiats.


Look, you can't expect HotAir to know what thinks are like in reality, alright? They don't let their website be dictated by facts.
2012-09-08 09:27:36 PM
1 votes:
This deserves an "Obvious" tag.
 
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