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2012-09-08 07:17:10 PM  
Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?
 
2012-09-08 07:29:59 PM  
For the last time, paranoidmitter, nobody gives a flying fark about your boring ass.
 
2012-09-08 07:32:10 PM  
Work your ass off for the controllers. Or be eliminated. That's what it comes down to.

You are on notice now "You are now an enemy of the state"
 
2012-09-08 07:35:00 PM  

webthing01: "You are now an enemy of the state"


It took this long?
 
2012-09-08 07:40:12 PM  
What a waste of money. No such system has ever had more true positives than false positives.
 
2012-09-08 07:46:17 PM  
The FBI just spent a million dollars on Facebook?
 
2012-09-08 08:21:54 PM  
I think it's quaint that you suddenly think this is a new thing that we need to suddenly be afraid about. Facial recognition systems have been online and used en masse for years, but you didn't care Subby because nobody pointed you to an article then and told you to be outraged.
 
2012-09-08 08:32:58 PM  
Fortunately I don't have a $1 billion dollar face

/more like 98 cent store
 
2012-09-09 12:06:36 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-09 12:08:10 AM  
The FBI, on the cutting edge of 1990s casino technology.
 
2012-09-09 12:36:25 AM  

St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?


SoothinglyDeranged: For the last time, paranoidmitter, nobody gives a flying fark about your boring ass.


Stop that! Clearly we must panic about software that has existed since the late 1980s in the private sectors and is being used now by the Government. This means we're one step away from everyone having to walk down the streets with the mark of the beast tattoo'd on their hand, and the Illuminati ID badges taped to their forehead!

This sinister plot can only be a product of the Rand Corporation, the Reverse Vampires, and the Saucer People.

We're through the looking glass on this one.
 
2012-09-09 12:40:55 AM  

St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?


I have 5 known doppelgangers.
Five. Known.

One had a rope burn around his neck.
 
2012-09-09 12:43:33 AM  
Sleep tight.

All things considered about the accuracy of such things... I will. Thanks.
 
2012-09-09 12:47:56 AM  
i25.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-09 01:01:30 AM  

St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?


That some private contractor conned the FBI out of a billion dollars?
 
2012-09-09 01:16:29 AM  

Triumph: St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?

That some private contractor conned the FBI out of a billion dollars?


That's not sinister, it's HILARIOUS.
 
2012-09-09 01:17:38 AM  
Didn't they already have this? I recall hearing about it over 10 years ago.
 
2012-09-09 01:22:42 AM  
It's crap like this that makes me sick. We go over this time and time again.

So far, so good - catching criminals faster and making less false arrests must be a good thing, right?

They should have said 'fewer' instead of less. Absolutely appalling what they did there. Loss of freedom is pretty bad too. But this, this is uncalled for.
 
2012-09-09 01:33:21 AM  
Is this anything like the bullet "fingerprinting" scam?

They just stopped that nonsense in New York, but not before flushing $44million down the toilet.
 
2012-09-09 01:44:10 AM  
So part of me thinks that something "like" this could also be used to prevent/reduce identity theft.
Guy tries to use my credit card and doesnt look like me, card gets rejected.
Home loans, TADA, etc, etc, etc.

How many open criminal cases (rape, assault, murder, robbery, fraud) have DNA, fingerprints, photos, sketches and no leads?
Purely as step one for generating leads, I have no problem with this. (mostly)

We have KNOWN that this is coming for a long time. Cameras everywhere, government, corporate and citizen. People put trillions of photos online.
FFS, GIS alone is an amusing start to a long chain of events.

As much as photos can be used to put you on the suspect list, photos can also help generate alibis.
/Here is a series of photos and cell tower pings, showing my location for the last 2 weeks. I was in chicago, not NYC, therefore, I was not the one who shot rush limbog.
 
2012-09-09 01:53:37 AM  
I hope it can tell a facial from a plain ole milk mustache.

www.capitolcommunicator.com
 
2012-09-09 02:38:03 AM  
farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2012-09-09 03:03:08 AM  

TommyymmoT: Is this anything like the bullet "fingerprinting" scam?

They just stopped that nonsense in New York, but not before flushing $44million down the toilet.


But Pataki said it would work!

He's a farking idiot. So is Bloomberg.
 
2012-09-09 04:51:10 AM  
Joke's on them. I haven't used my real face in years!
 
2012-09-09 04:58:33 AM  
How dare you, Subby! You know damned well the goverment always has, and always will have your best interest at heart! I mean seriously, Barack Obama is our president, how could you suggest anything else?

For shame, subby, for shame. Evil, un-American neo-con.

Behave, citizen.

/We have always been at war with Eastasia.
//if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about
/really
 
2012-09-09 04:59:55 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The FBI just spent a million dollars on Facebook?


They already have Facebook. If you call them up, press 2 for law enforcement matters. They'll get back to you in 48-72 hours.

I'm not joking at all. A few years ago (back in the olden days, when MySpace was the thing) I had a guy steal some computers from my company which were an interstate shipment. I posted on SlashDot (again, it was the olden days) about having full access to this PC, including all his cookies etc and how the Rancho Cucamonga (I'm not joking) police didn't seem to understand what "I can access his webcam, watch him use the internet, and I have his IP address which is connected via the ethernet port and not WiFi" meant.

An FBI Special Agent responded to the /. post I had made and when I showed him the MySpace profile full of pictures of guns, pot, coke, and license plates of all his buddies with said objects the SA laughed and said, "This should be really fun! I love it when they hand it to us!"

I'm sure they don't want to openly admit it, but I'm sure in the years since that happened the FBI has kept up with MySpace/Facebook/Twitter.
 
2012-09-09 04:59:58 AM  

Makh: It's crap like this that makes me sick. We go over this time and time again.

So far, so good - catching criminals faster and making less false arrests must be a good thing, right?

They should have said 'fewer' instead of less. Absolutely appalling what they did there. Loss of freedom is pretty bad too. But this, this is uncalled for.


I'm sure they'll do gooder next time.

/Fascists!
 
2012-09-09 05:00:02 AM  

BronyMedic: St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?

SoothinglyDeranged: For the last time, paranoidmitter, nobody gives a flying fark about your boring ass.

Stop that! Clearly we must panic about software that has existed since the late 1980s in the private sectors and is being used now by the Government. This means we're one step away from everyone having to walk down the streets with the mark of the beast tattoo'd on their hand, and the Illuminati ID badges taped to their forehead!

This sinister plot can only be a product of the Rand Corporation, the Reverse Vampires, and the Saucer People.

We're through the looking glass on this one.


There's not getting anything tattooed anywhere. You were born with it because the MARK OF THE BEAST IS YOUR FACE.
 
2012-09-09 05:01:36 AM  

scalpod: There's not getting anything tattooed anywhere. You were born with it because the MARK OF THE BEAST IS YOUR FACE.


img.timeinc.net

WHAT A TWIST!
 
2012-09-09 05:09:26 AM  

davidphogan: I'm sure they don't want to openly admit it, but I'm sure in the years since that happened the FBI has kept up with MySpace/Facebook/Twitter.


Doesnt matter if they openly admit it. The tards are, well, retarded.
If they thought, they would never take the photos in the first place, let alone post them on FB. publicly
LOL
 
2012-09-09 05:09:54 AM  
I removed all of my head shots from Face Book Inc. over a year ago, then my passport expired. God damn it!
 
2012-09-09 05:10:57 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Joke's on them. I haven't used my real face in years!


upload.wikimedia.org
Excuse me, sir, we'd like to ask you a few questions about some unsolved murders from the 19th century...
 
2012-09-09 05:17:38 AM  
good thing criminals don't know about gloves, masks and stolen cars.

this is what they are telling the public about. you can bet your sweet arse they have stuff they are using that you won't know about for 20 years. but you're not a hoodlum anyway so who cares.
 
2012-09-09 05:19:27 AM  

Asa Phelps: What a waste of money. No such system has ever had more true positives than false positives.


So what you're saying is... if something doesn't work 100% on the first try, we should quit trying?
 
2012-09-09 05:26:02 AM  
The FBI aren't the ones you should be worried about.

/No, seriously.
 
2012-09-09 05:28:27 AM  

Walker: [img.photobucket.com image 800x338]


fark off hipster.
 
2012-09-09 05:29:43 AM  
Humans...

They all look alike.
 
2012-09-09 05:39:39 AM  

KrispyKritter: good thing criminals don't know about gloves, masks and stolen cars.

this is what they are telling the public about. you can bet your sweet arse they have stuff they are using that you won't know about for 20 years. but you're not a hoodlum anyway so who cares.


Good thing the FBI hasn't been complicit in any murders lately.

Oh, wait...
 
2012-09-09 05:40:25 AM  

Walker: [img.photobucket.com image 800x338]


i10.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-09 05:43:59 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The FBI, on the cutting edge of 1990s casino technology.


Came here to say this.

The FBI, never more than 20 years behind the times!
 
2012-09-09 05:45:23 AM  
The U.S. government benefited the most by 911 in all aspects and with this fact and mountains of other facts that have been marginalized by most as "truther" nonsense, 911 was most likely planned by the powerful in the U.S. for this benefit. This rollout by the FBI is just another example of the benefit of the federal power grab "justified" by a so called terrorist attack.
 
2012-09-09 05:59:15 AM  

JerkyMeat: The U.S. government benefited the most by 911 in all aspects and with this fact and mountains of other facts that have been marginalized by most as "truther" nonsense, 911 was most likely planned by the powerful in the U.S. for this benefit. This rollout by the FBI is just another example of the benefit of the federal power grab "justified" by a so called terrorist attack.


Still thinking correlation implies causation? Just because an entity benefits from an event doesn't automatically prove they initiated it. People benefit from others' misfortune all the time without causing that misfortune. A big example is how World War II boosted the economy of the United States. Not only did we not start that war, we did everything we could to stay our of it for as long as possible.
 
2012-09-09 06:08:01 AM  
this system will be used 99% of the time by the operators to stalk random chicks that come up on their screens
 
2012-09-09 06:17:02 AM  
you will be sweet with Wanderlei in your house! http://mixed-martial-arts-gear.blogspot.com/2012/08/wanderlei-silva-di scusses-next-fight.html
 
2012-09-09 06:21:55 AM  

JerkyMeat: The U.S. government benefited the most by 911 in all aspects and with this fact and mountains of other facts that have been marginalized by most as "truther" nonsense, 911 was most likely planned by the powerful in the U.S. for this benefit. This rollout by the FBI is just another example of the benefit of the federal power grab "justified" by a so called terrorist attack.


beijingdaze.com

I always like it when truthers out themselves. The mental gymnastics they perform to link events to proof that the Government somehow conspired to cause or allow 9/11 to happen the way it did never ceases to amaze me, especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence from thousands of Scientists, Specialists, and Engineers, and numerous Government, and Nongovernmental agencies conducting investigations, in addition to confessions from the people who planned it.

You, on the other hand, seem to not know what a Correlation vs. Causation fallacy is.

You're not a clever pony. You're not even original by claiming this crap. All you are is the guy that everyone else points and laughs at. Look. I get it. You want to feel special and important. You want to feel like the wolf among sheeple. But the simple fact of the matter is that people do horrible things to other people for no reason than to hurt others and incite fear, and that's what happened here. There wasn't a cabal of Magic Illuminati holographic missiles. There wasn't some special, sooper-secret "nano-thermite" built into the towers 30 years before the attack so that they could be used in this matter.

No. These were 19 pissed off, inhuman monsters - mostly of the Saudi Arabian flavor - who decided to murder people in the best way they could.
 
2012-09-09 06:23:13 AM  
The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.
 
2012-09-09 06:28:19 AM  

Triumph: St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?

That some private contractor conned the FBI out of a billion dollars?


THIS.

facial recognition systems have reached the point where they can match a single face from a pool of 1.6 million mugshots/passport photos with 92% accuracy,

That rate stinks. One out of 12 will be errors -- and looking at the actual study, that's best-case. Also from the study:

img515.imageshack.us

"Image (b) has a pitch angle that is likely fatal to automated facial recognition algorithms"

img211.imageshack.us

"Three images of one person ... All depart from defined standards: In image (a) the subject's pitch angle is slightly too high; in image (c) the yaw angle is well beyond the 5 degrees limit established in standards; in image (b) there is considerable saturation and non-uniformity of the lighting"

Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2012-09-09 06:29:46 AM  
According to the documentaries "CSI: Miami" and "Las Vegas", they've been able to do this for years. Any grainy camera shot can be enhanced and matched with the worldwide database.
 
2012-09-09 06:32:01 AM  

tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.


We can only hope for a zombie apocalypse. Really, I truly hope it happens, World War Z style. Minus Brad Pitt and his whore gf Angelina Jolie.

/would absolutely cut off my nose to spite my face
//iby that I mean I'd sacrifice billions to fark over people I don't like
 
2012-09-09 06:33:11 AM  

Krieghund: I hope it can tell a facial from a plain ole milk mustache.

[www.capitolcommunicator.com image 450x600]


Why is Brad Pitt wearing a bikini?

sorry, just watched moneyball last night.

/it sucked
 
2012-09-09 06:56:10 AM  
No one gets outraged about this stuff anymore, sorry subby.
 
2012-09-09 07:00:33 AM  
We did start the ball rolling for 9/11/01. However it started in the 60's in Egypt, the 70's in Saudia Arabia, Iraq in the 80's, which then lead to even more amplification in Iran in the 80's, while we also intervened in Afghanistan to get rid of the Russians, which lead to the Taliban and the Pakistani's entrenchment of relations with groups like the Hakani Network. They kept trying in the 90's, and even scored two hits, ineffectually on the twin towers, but effectively with the bombs on the Cole and the Kobar Towers/Embassy.

The US's policies and our reckless abandon for interfering with everyone, set up the circumstances, that were then intercepted, passed through the chain of command in the Bush administration at least a month before the attack took place, and then failed to be acted upon. Ironically happened on the day, a new security chief arrived for work at the Twin towers having left his previous post as nobody was listening to his warnings about the seriousness of the threat to the towers and NORAD was doing a drill simulating such an attack, and as such didn't react to the situation as they initially thought the reports were simply part of the drill.

The White House's policy initiatives and the congress's panic, and the Judiciary's rubber stamps during the years from 1/21/2001 to 1/20/2009 were not the things that made America fall apart, that was the previous 50 years of interventionist weakening of what America claimed to have stood for, but what those 8 years did was take out the final supports and removed the facade that everyone wanted to believe in. Like when the lightening bolt struck butter Jesus, and after the conflagration all that was left was the "terminator" endoskeleton, such was what America looked like 1/20/2009.

Financially, Constitutionally, Internationally, and Morally, America was bankrupt in all aspects. The Republicans drove it, and the Democrats allowed it, and now we are reaping what we sowed, and the harvest is bitter, and non-satisfying.

The new whitehouse has reversed course in almost every possible way from the 50 year momentum that lead to our disastrous plights in 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008 and 2009. Not without a fight from everyone of course, because change is hard, and people are inclined to fight change, with cognitive dissonance, innoculation theory, ethnocentrism, bureacratic inertia, misinformation, corruption, and even ideological/religious reasoning left over from those previous times.

Can the US make the transition from Hegemonic Interventionist Superpower, to self-sufficient leadership. Can it go from preaching what itself doesn't follow, and instead is able to lead by example. Can it find its way in the 21st century, where jobs are less important, where technology can do so much more to offset differences. When the balance between wealth and humanity, power and performance can be equalized simply with a few keystrokes and access to the right computers and networks.

This is the future, and if we can't learn this, then this century will be as all of the doomsayers say, more war, more misery, more strife, less life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness/property and instead more just surviving "walking dead" style.
If we can learn it, and discard the past, and embrace the new, and change the conceptualization of the status quo, and implement the existing technologies, then almost all of the negative predictions can be averted. We need to invest in the change process, and work hard for 12 years, with nearly 4 million more high wage, high intellect, high value jobs, pulling the first the US, then Europe and then the BRICs and then the rest of the world out of the hole.

Water, Energy, Food, Information and the distributive networks to equalize access and to make everything fungible is where humanity can be finally free from the past, and hopefully pursue a path that leads humanity into the solar system and beyond before the next century comes to a close.
 
2012-09-09 07:15:45 AM  
I don't see where this is newsworthy. NCIS has been able to do this and more for almost a decade.
 
2012-09-09 07:19:10 AM  

gh0strid3r: Asa Phelps: What a waste of money. No such system has ever had more true positives than false positives.

So what you're saying is... if something doesn't work 100% on the first try, we should quit trying?


How about when that something includes the possibility of you being detained or imprisoned because of it?
You don't take people out of the loop. Someone has to take the blame when things don't quite reach 100% and it's not going to be "the computer."
 
2012-09-09 07:21:07 AM  
I would score a much higher percentage with Ass Recognition software.

www.popcrunch.com

rearpics.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

/3 out of 3 asses identified. 100 percent
 
2012-09-09 07:37:05 AM  

Acravius: Can the US make the transition from Hegemonic Interventionist Superpower, to self-sufficient leadership. Can it go from preaching what itself doesn't follow, and instead is able to lead by example. Can it find its way in the 21st century, where jobs are less important, where technology can do so much more to offset differences. When the balance between wealth and humanity, power and performance can be equalized simply with a few keystrokes and access to the right computers and networks.


As long as the ignorant knuckle-draggers continue to blindly vote for politicians who support the US as being the "Hegemonic Interventionist Superpower," (because, America, FARK YEAH!) things will never change.

And of course, part of the problem is all the toadying, simpering governments of other countries that fall over each other to kiss the US butt, rather than doing the right thing and telling the US where to stick their "farren palsy".
 
2012-09-09 07:49:44 AM  
Everyone knows they have had this on that show 'VEGAS' for a long time and it works perfectly every time even if someone is much older or is wearing a disguise or was only seen in the reflection of a taxi cab's window.
If one casino in Vegas can have it, the whole country should!
 
2012-09-09 08:11:00 AM  
www.terror-alert.com
 
2012-09-09 08:22:03 AM  
There's no doubt about it, we have fewer freedoms then we did when Clinton was in office.
 
2012-09-09 08:25:20 AM  
kasei.us
 
2012-09-09 08:28:41 AM  

webthing01: Work your ass off for the controllers. Or be eliminated. That's what it comes down to.

You are on notice now "You are now an enemy of the state"


Now? It seems we have been for quite some time. Technology just makes it easy to identify it.
 
2012-09-09 08:29:02 AM  
Our local PD is already employing this. They have a squad/camera car that slowly rolls through town and picks up people if it gets a match that has a warrant.
 
2012-09-09 08:29:26 AM  
Um, isnt picassa free?
 
2012-09-09 08:37:49 AM  
0.tqn.comuser.xmission.comih2.redbubble.netwillyloman.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-09 08:38:52 AM  

JerkyMeat: The U.S. government benefited the most by 911 in all aspects and with this fact and mountains of other facts that have been marginalized by most as "truther" nonsense, 911 was most likely planned by the powerful in the U.S. for this benefit. This rollout by the FBI is just another example of the benefit of the federal power grab "justified" by a so called terrorist attack.

 
up-ship.com
 
2012-09-09 08:43:24 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: I would score a much higher percentage with Ass Recognition software.

[www.popcrunch.com image 250x377]

[rearpics.com image 307x400]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x180]

/3 out of 3 asses identified. 100 percent


www.askactor.com

Your face, your ass, what's the difference?
 
2012-09-09 08:48:26 AM  
Yeah, it's not like anyone could get away with crimes by using makeup (See "Devil in the White City", Erick Larson, a great book). This is truly a waste of money. I live about 10 miles as the crow flies from the FBI and DEA headquarters in Quantico. I get my summers off (wonder why?). We had a drone fly a circular route right over our little farmette virtually every single day. My assumption was that somebody was getting trained at getting good at the video games that now constitute our military. This might lead to fewer prosthetics down the road, and this is bad for the prosthetics industry. So, why do the FBI and DEA hate the prosthetics industry so much?
 
2012-09-09 08:49:08 AM  

robohobo: //iby that I mean I'd sacrifice billions to fark over people I don't like


And yet there are those who wonder why the FBI is keeping a watchful vigilance for asshats like you.
 
2012-09-09 08:55:55 AM  

Acravius: We did start the ball rolling for 9/11/01. However it started in the 60's in Egypt, the 70's in Saudia Arabia, Iraq in the 80's, which then lead to even more amplification in Iran in the 80's, while we also intervened in Afghanistan to get rid of the Russians, which lead to the Taliban and the Pakistani's entrenchment of relations with groups like the Hakani Network. They kept trying in the 90's, and even scored two hits, ineffectually on the twin towers, but effectively with the bombs on the Cole and the Kobar Towers/Embassy.

The US's policies and our reckless abandon for interfering with everyone, set up the circumstances, that were then intercepted, passed through the chain of command in the Bush administration at least a month before the attack took place, and then failed to be acted upon. Ironically happened on the day, a new security chief arrived for work at the Twin towers having left his previous post as nobody was listening to his warnings about the seriousness of the threat to the towers and NORAD was doing a drill simulating such an attack, and as such didn't react to the situation as they initially thought the reports were simply part of the drill.

The White House's policy initiatives and the congress's panic, and the Judiciary's rubber stamps during the years from 1/21/2001 to 1/20/2009 were not the things that made America fall apart, that was the previous 50 years of interventionist weakening of what America claimed to have stood for, but what those 8 years did was take out the final supports and removed the facade that everyone wanted to believe in. Like when the lightening bolt struck butter Jesus, and after the conflagration all that was left was the "terminator" endoskeleton, such was what America looked like 1/20/2009.

Financially, Constitutionally, Internationally, and Morally, America was bankrupt in all aspects. The Republicans drove it, and the Democrats allowed it, and now we are reaping what we sowed, and the harvest is bitter, and non- ...


Where is the "intelligent" tab - this is a fairly accurate description of recent US history in the middle east, you forgot to mention it started in (circa 1953, dates confuse me) when we killed the popular Iranian leader because, gasp, he was trying to make nice nice with his neighbor, the angry giant CCCP. Only thing you are missing is how the roughly 200 or so very wealthy family entities have been attempting to corner the market on wealth and happiness world-wide.
 
2012-09-09 08:57:48 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: JerkyMeat: The U.S. government benefited the most by 911 in all aspects and with this fact and mountains of other facts that have been marginalized by most as "truther" nonsense, 911 was most likely planned by the powerful in the U.S. for this benefit. This rollout by the FBI is just another example of the benefit of the federal power grab "justified" by a so called terrorist attack. 
[up-ship.com image 535x356]


If you read his profile he pretty much admits he's just what you say he is.
 
2012-09-09 09:11:59 AM  
You know who else uses a facial recognition system?

Everyone, because they have eyes.
 
2012-09-09 09:16:11 AM  

LoneWolf343: You know who else uses a facial recognition system?

Everyone, because they have eyes.


True, but the gov are the only ones who can poke into everyones laptop cams whenever they see fit.

/which is probably always

/hackers too, but you know what I mean
 
2012-09-09 09:17:57 AM  

St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?


For some people anything done by Uncle Sam is equivalent of rounding up the Jews and shipping them off in cattle cars to the death camps.
 
2012-09-09 09:19:47 AM  

webthing01: Work your ass off for the controllers. Or be eliminated. That's what it comes down to.

You are on notice now "You are now an enemy of the state"


Hanging out with a bunch of dissaffected burnouts who think there is a place at political protests for Molotov cocktails isn't helping your case.
/I have had personal experience for not wanting anything to do with radicals
 
2012-09-09 09:21:11 AM  

robohobo: LoneWolf343: You know who else uses a facial recognition system?

Everyone, because they have eyes.

True, but the gov are the only ones who can poke into everyones laptop cams whenever they see fit.


whatthefarkamireading.jpg
 
2012-09-09 09:24:01 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: No one gets outraged about this stuff anymore, sorry subby.


So many oligarch defender bots in this thread...

Tracking everyone's movements at all times in the hope that a criminal might be caught is not by any definition a "reasonable" act.
 
2012-09-09 09:24:28 AM  

LasersHurt: robohobo: LoneWolf343: You know who else uses a facial recognition system?

Everyone, because they have eyes.

True, but the gov are the only ones who can poke into everyones laptop cams whenever they see fit.

whatthefarkamireading.jpg


He hacked into your brain. Here, use my preferred firewall:

tactfullytruthful.com

/Effective and stylish!
 
2012-09-09 09:25:13 AM  

Makh: It's crap like this that makes me sick. We go over this time and time again.

So far, so good - catching criminals faster and making less false arrests must be a good thing, right?

They should have said 'fewer' instead of less. Absolutely appalling what they did there. Loss of freedom is pretty bad too. But this, this is uncalled for.


To those of us outside of your little anarchist cell, please explain how this is a loss of liberty. You know because you're so so much smarter than the rest of us sheeple, we need such "obivious" things explained to us by some potentially mentally ill dude living out on the fringe of society with the rest of the dregs.
 
2012-09-09 09:28:06 AM  

PunGent: KrispyKritter: good thing criminals don't know about gloves, masks and stolen cars.

this is what they are telling the public about. you can bet your sweet arse they have stuff they are using that you won't know about for 20 years. but you're not a hoodlum anyway so who cares.

Good thing the FBI hasn't been complicit in any murders lately.

Oh, wait...


"Fark Independent" isn't really independent.
 
2012-09-09 09:31:11 AM  

tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.


And yet I bet you put all your shiat online for the whole world to see, and complain when Uncle Sam gathers data on you.
 
2012-09-09 09:35:15 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Acravius: Can the US make the transition from Hegemonic Interventionist Superpower, to self-sufficient leadership. Can it go from preaching what itself doesn't follow, and instead is able to lead by example. Can it find its way in the 21st century, where jobs are less important, where technology can do so much more to offset differences. When the balance between wealth and humanity, power and performance can be equalized simply with a few keystrokes and access to the right computers and networks.

As long as the ignorant knuckle-draggers continue to blindly vote for politicians who support the US as being the "Hegemonic Interventionist Superpower," (because, America, FARK YEAH!) things will never change.

And of course, part of the problem is all the toadying, simpering governments of other countries that fall over each other to kiss the US butt, rather than doing the right thing and telling the US where to stick their "farren palsy".


The bolded portions are a clue to you not to take anything this person says seriously. Bear in mind when I was fresh out of college and more than happy to use any flimsy excuse to criticize people I didn't like, I was very guilty of this.
 
2012-09-09 09:36:40 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.

And yet I bet you put all your shiat online for the whole world to see, and complain when Uncle Sam gathers data on you.


I worry way more about the data miners that are not federal government data miners but my hands are clean of any subversive behavior. Have had an FBI file on me since 1969, the year I graduated from college and went to work for the summer as a clerk typist. Probably was before that (my dad had the highest security clearance possible back in those days (Pentagon GS-15 type). My dad lost that security clearance (got one a bit below tho') because my oldest sister went a little bat shiat crazy after she got gonarrhea (sp?) from her husband while in Columbia in the Peace Corp and he was sleeping with prostitutes because of his problem with premature ejaculation. Caused her to become sterile among other things.
 
2012-09-09 09:37:48 AM  

robohobo: LoneWolf343: You know who else uses a facial recognition system?

Everyone, because they have eyes.

True, but the gov are the only ones who can poke into everyones laptop cams whenever they see fit.

/which is probably always

/hackers too, but you know what I mean


Funny how a well placed piece of electrical tape eliminates this issue.
 
2012-09-09 09:37:53 AM  
The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

See how many tactics you can spot being used in this thread.

you bot users will want to do a forum slide now..
 
2012-09-09 09:39:08 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Problem solved.
 
2012-09-09 09:40:29 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Just another Heartland Weirdass: No one gets outraged about this stuff anymore, sorry subby.

So many oligarch defender bots in this thread...

Tracking everyone's movements at all times in the hope that a criminal might be caught is not by any definition a "reasonable" act.


I don't think you're taking account the processor and memory resources that would be involved in that. Actually I don't think you've ever used a computer for anything more than trolling the internet, gaming, and maybe streaming Redtube.
 
2012-09-09 09:42:25 AM  

MartinD-35: Crotchrocket Slim: tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.

And yet I bet you put all your shiat online for the whole world to see, and complain when Uncle Sam gathers data on you.

I worry way more about the data miners that are not federal government data miners but my hands are clean of any subversive behavior. Have had an FBI file on me since 1969, the year I graduated from college and went to work for the summer as a clerk typist. Probably was before that (my dad had the highest security clearance possible back in those days (Pentagon GS-15 type). My dad lost that security clearance (got one a bit below tho') because my oldest sister went a little bat shiat crazy after she got gonarrhea (sp?) from her husband while in Columbia in the Peace Corp and he was sleeping with prostitutes because of his problem with premature ejaculation. Caused her to become sterile among other things.


That utterly sucks and thank you for having a reasonable objection to this sort of thing that is actually grounded in reality.
 
2012-09-09 09:48:17 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Just another Heartland Weirdass: No one gets outraged about this stuff anymore, sorry subby.

So many oligarch defender bots in this thread...

Tracking everyone's movements at all times in the hope that a criminal might be caught is not by any definition a "reasonable" act.

I don't think you're taking account the processor and memory resources that would be involved in that. Actually I don't think you've ever used a computer for anything more than trolling the internet, gaming, and maybe streaming Redtube.


By your logic, once we have something that can do the equivalent of an MRI on someone's entire house as police cars drive through the neighborhood, it's entirely reasonable, as long as we can manufacture them inexpensively. You should read the bill of rights someday.
 
2012-09-09 09:50:01 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Just another Heartland Weirdass: No one gets outraged about this stuff anymore, sorry subby.

So many oligarch defender bots in this thread...

Tracking everyone's movements at all times in the hope that a criminal might be caught is not by any definition a "reasonable" act.

I don't think you're taking account the processor and memory resources that would be involved in that. Actually I don't think you've ever used a computer for anything more than trolling the internet, gaming, and maybe streaming Redtube.

By your logic, once we have something that can do the equivalent of an MRI on someone's entire house as police cars drive through the neighborhood, it's entirely reasonable, as long as we can manufacture them inexpensively. You should read the bill of rights someday.


You utterly fail at understanding both technology and Due Process.
 
2012-09-09 09:54:14 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Just another Heartland Weirdass: No one gets outraged about this stuff anymore, sorry subby.

So many oligarch defender bots in this thread...

Tracking everyone's movements at all times in the hope that a criminal might be caught is not by any definition a "reasonable" act.

I don't think you're taking account the processor and memory resources that would be involved in that. Actually I don't think you've ever used a computer for anything more than trolling the internet, gaming, and maybe streaming Redtube.

By your logic, once we have something that can do the equivalent of an MRI on someone's entire house as police cars drive through the neighborhood, it's entirely reasonable, as long as we can manufacture them inexpensively. You should read the bill of rights someday.

You utterly fail at understanding both technology and Due Process.


From my original link "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
 
2012-09-09 09:54:23 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: MartinD-35: Crotchrocket Slim: tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.

And yet I bet you put all your shiat online for the whole world to see, and complain when Uncle Sam gathers data on you.

I worry way more about the data miners that are not federal government data miners but my hands are clean of any subversive behavior. Have had an FBI file on me since 1969, the year I graduated from college and went to work for the summer as a clerk typist. Probably was before that (my dad had the highest security clearance possible back in those days (Pentagon GS-15 type). My dad lost that security clearance (got one a bit below tho') because my oldest sister went a little bat shiat crazy after she got gonarrhea (sp?) from her husband while in Columbia in the Peace Corp and he was sleeping with prostitutes because of his problem with premature ejaculation. Caused her to become sterile among other things.

That utterly sucks and thank you for having a reasonable objection to this sort of thing that is actually grounded in reality.


I've been tempted to put a few parabolic mirrors around the property and have my step son (computer genius) program them for me to stalk the drones. But tempted is all I've been since I don't want to go to Ft. Levenworth (sp?) and be bukakatated. I didn't have to give an "interview" to the FBI when a friend of mine was being vetted. They said to me "you have an interesting file, we had to check ahead of the interview." I asked what was so interesting and they wouldn't tell me. I was an anti-Vietnam war but never protested other than doing door to door and canvassing what people in my small midwestern city though of the war on the day the truly caring were having their march on the Pentagon in 1969. Might have had something to do with the college being near Madison, WI (but not in) and also with my various experiments with flying.
 
2012-09-09 09:56:19 AM  
Example: right now the authorities have and use FLIR- infrared technologies that record hotspots in your home. This can be useful for the authorities in detecting poorly hidden marijuana grow ops, but at the same time there are many, many other entirely innocuous things that could also account for such hotspots. The only time FLIR telemetry is useful to law enforcement is when they have other evidence to check out your home and are trying to further round out a search warrant.

A further explanation as to why maybe you should be smoking less dank stuff, and maybe be hooking me up with your dealers' contact info.
 
2012-09-09 09:57:08 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: From my original link "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.


Sometimes ridicule is well earned, like here.
 
2012-09-09 10:00:31 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Example: right now the authorities have and use FLIR- infrared technologies that record hotspots in your home. This can be useful for the authorities in detecting poorly hidden marijuana grow ops, but at the same time there are many, many other entirely innocuous things that could also account for such hotspots. The only time FLIR telemetry is useful to law enforcement is when they have other evidence to check out your home and are trying to further round out a search warrant.

A further explanation as to why maybe you should be smoking less dank stuff, and maybe be hooking me up with your dealers' contact info.


My brother was the ambassador (well, charge de affairs (sp)) of a rogue asian country in the early 1990's. I was managing a computer network at the time for a leftish sort of law firm (represented the alternative energy industry, native Americans, and that sort of ilk, very public interest sort of low paying kinda law firm). he told me that the computers in his office all had lead shielding to prevent just the sort of thing you are describing. It sounds paranoid, but it's not. You can, indeed, beem into the average person's computer and read the contents of their hard drive, registrar, etc. (everything). So, don't advocate the downfall of the US government stupid people because . . .
 
2012-09-09 10:02:01 AM  

MartinD-35: Crotchrocket Slim: Example: right now the authorities have and use FLIR- infrared technologies that record hotspots in your home. This can be useful for the authorities in detecting poorly hidden marijuana grow ops, but at the same time there are many, many other entirely innocuous things that could also account for such hotspots. The only time FLIR telemetry is useful to law enforcement is when they have other evidence to check out your home and are trying to further round out a search warrant.

A further explanation as to why maybe you should be smoking less dank stuff, and maybe be hooking me up with your dealers' contact info.

My brother was the ambassador (well, charge de affairs (sp)) of a rogue asian country in the early 1990's. I was managing a computer network at the time for a leftish sort of law firm (represented the alternative energy industry, native Americans, and that sort of ilk, very public interest sort of low paying kinda law firm). he told me that the computers in his office all had lead shielding to prevent just the sort of thing you are describing. It sounds paranoid, but it's not. You can, indeed, beem into the average person's computer and read the contents of their hard drive, registrar, etc. (everything). So, don't advocate the downfall of the US government stupid people because . . .


Oh, and fore the record, there was no ambassador as he had been rejected by said country and we didn't name a replacement because that's what we do when you reject our choice of ambassador (Jessie Helms giggity gig thingy).
 
2012-09-09 10:03:56 AM  

MartinD-35: Crotchrocket Slim: MartinD-35: Crotchrocket Slim: tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.

And yet I bet you put all your shiat online for the whole world to see, and complain when Uncle Sam gathers data on you.

I worry way more about the data miners that are not federal government data miners but my hands are clean of any subversive behavior. Have had an FBI file on me since 1969, the year I graduated from college and went to work for the summer as a clerk typist. Probably was before that (my dad had the highest security clearance possible back in those days (Pentagon GS-15 type). My dad lost that security clearance (got one a bit below tho') because my oldest sister went a little bat shiat crazy after she got gonarrhea (sp?) from her husband while in Columbia in the Peace Corp and he was sleeping with prostitutes because of his problem with premature ejaculation. Caused her to become sterile among other things.

That utterly sucks and thank you for having a reasonable objection to this sort of thing that is actually grounded in reality.

I've been tempted to put a few parabolic mirrors around the property and have my step son (computer genius) program them for me to stalk the drones. But tempted is all I've been since I don't want to go to Ft. Levenworth (sp?) and be bukakatated. I didn't have to give an "interview" to the FBI when a friend of mine was being vetted. They said to me "you have an interesting file, we had to check ahead of the interview." I asked what was so interesting and they wouldn't tell me. I was an anti-Vietnam war but never pr ...


I have a good friend from college who still associates with political radicals. Most are smart enough not to engage in terrorism while engaging in civil disobedience, some were not especially critical thinkers and duped into bringing/attempting to bring Molotovs to the 2008 RNC after the encouragement of a confidential informant who felt pressured into acting as agent provocateur just to further avoid prosecution for his own semi-criminal trespassing.

I'm sure I'd have similar issues attempting to get a security clearance, and the authorities wouldn't be wrong in at least taking a closer look at me in the very least. I come down on people with "fringe" politics who display a lack of critical thinking themselves for very personal (and I consider good) reason.
 
2012-09-09 10:10:04 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: From my original link "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Sometimes ridicule is well earned, like here.


Because unlike you, I understand that technology and manufacturing capacity increase as time moves forward, or because I believe that surveilling a population with the same level of attention without probable cause on the level of the Stasi is in itself a violation of what is "reasonable"? Maybe you'd care to present an argument along with your ad hominem attacks.
 
2012-09-09 10:15:14 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: From my original link "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Sometimes ridicule is well earned, like here.

Because unlike you, I understand that technology and manufacturing capacity increase as time moves forward, or because I believe that surveilling a population with the same level of attention without probable cause on the level of the Stasi is in itself a violation of what is "reasonable"? Maybe you'd care to present an argument along with your ad hominem attacks.


I'm telling you that you clearly don't understand how the authorities act with such information, and that were they to attempt to do what you are suggesting they would need to expand the NSA etc. staff to such a degree to the hundreds of thousands; such a scenario is not realistic and instead of pooping on the discussion with unrealistic doomsday scenarios you should educate yourself better on how the US goverment and other bodies within the US act. I'm attempting to call you out on your slipper slope fallacy here.

Also, you yourself are engaging in your own ad hominem attacks against me in quoting that link and you don't even realize it.
 
2012-09-09 10:17:23 AM  
BTW welcome to Fark
 
2012-09-09 10:18:34 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: From my original link "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Sometimes ridicule is well earned, like here.

Because unlike you, I understand that technology and manufacturing capacity increase as time moves forward, or because I believe that surveilling a population with the same level of attention without probable cause on the level of the Stasi is in itself a violation of what is "reasonable"? Maybe you'd care to present an argument along with your ad hominem attacks.


I read a book this summer (history teacher and history buff) that you need to read. It's a simple enough title for you to understand "1877" (subtitled "America's Year of Living Violently") by Michael A. Bellesiles. Could possibly give you some additional insight into the fallacy of your argument. It's what you do with that information (republicon's, abuse it) (democrats, use it wisely to prevent terrorism). I'm pretty far left of the average Democrat (green party but not a vote waster).
 
2012-09-09 10:28:20 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: I'm telling you that you clearly don't understand how the authorities act with such information, and that were they to attempt to do what you are suggesting they would need to expand the NSA etc. staff to such a degree to the hundreds of thousands;


Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.

Crotchrocket Slim: Also, you yourself are engaging in your own ad hominem attacks against me in quoting that link and you don't even realize it.


Fail! Pointing out a logical fallacy is not in and of itself a logical fallacy.

MartinD-35: I read a book this summer (history teacher and history buff) that you need to read. It's a simple enough title for you to understand "1877" (subtitled "America's Year of Living Violently") by Michael A. Bellesiles. Could possibly give you some additional insight into the fallacy of your argument. It's what you do with that information (republicon's, abuse it) (democrats, use it wisely to prevent terrorism). I'm pretty far left of the average Democrat (green party but not a vote waster).


First of all, no vote is ever "wasted". Second, if you're taking to time to post, why not actually make an argument from the book instead of saying "hey, read this book".
 
2012-09-09 10:35:18 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: From my original link "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Sometimes ridicule is well earned, like here.

Because unlike you, I understand that technology and manufacturing capacity increase as time moves forward, or because I believe that surveilling a population with the same level of attention without probable cause on the level of the Stasi is in itself a violation of what is "reasonable"? Maybe you'd care to present an argument along with your ad hominem attacks.


I seriously hope you are planning not to vote libertarian (read your profile). You have a valid concern, but you are a bit late in expressing it. I think it was 1960 when President and all time nice guy (who wasn't really all that bright about politics and managing a government (but was a VERY good administrative general) Eisenhower warned us to beware of the massive military industrial complex he (well, his minions to be fare) had just created.
 
2012-09-09 10:36:48 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: To those of us outside of your little anarchist cell, please explain how this is a loss of liberty. You know because you're so so much smarter than the rest of us sheeple, we need such "obivious" things explained to us by some potentially mentally ill dude living out on the fringe of society with the rest of the dregs.


1/10 You really try too hard. It's like you are desperate or something. It's supposed to come naturally, and you just don't have it.
 
2012-09-09 10:37:22 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm telling you that you clearly don't understand how the authorities act with such information, and that were they to attempt to do what you are suggesting they would need to expand the NSA etc. staff to such a degree to the hundreds of thousands;

Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.

Crotchrocket Slim: Also, you yourself are engaging in your own ad hominem attacks against me in quoting that link and you don't even realize it.

Fail! Pointing out a logical fallacy is not in and of itself a logical fallacy.

MartinD-35: I read a book this summer (history teacher and history buff) that you need to read. It's a simple enough title for you to understand "1877" (subtitled "America's Year of Living Violently") by Michael A. Bellesiles. Could possibly give you some additional insight into the fallacy of your argument. It's what you do with that information (republicon's, abuse it) (democrats, use it wisely to prevent terrorism). I'm pretty far left of the average Democrat (green party but not a vote waster).

First of all, no vote is ever "wasted". Second, if you're taking to time to post, why not actually make an argument from the book instead of saying "hey, read this book".


Because, like most good books, I can't do that on fark without losing the average farker. Suffice it to say our President was using the federal troops to bust up peaceful demonstrations violently by causing them to become violent with his Pinkerton private security army and other such like things.
 
2012-09-09 10:39:02 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.


Utterly irrelevant to my thinking in any case. Even if this software were being used to monitor the movements of individuals by strictly local authorities, there is absolutely no expectation of privacy in public spaces.

Fail! Pointing out a logical fallacy is not in and of itself a logical fallacy.

Yet you don't bother responding to any of the non-ad hominem points I raise. You are guilty of the only fail we care about on Fark.
 
2012-09-09 10:40:55 AM  

Makh: Crotchrocket Slim: To those of us outside of your little anarchist cell, please explain how this is a loss of liberty. You know because you're so so much smarter than the rest of us sheeple, we need such "obivious" things explained to us by some potentially mentally ill dude living out on the fringe of society with the rest of the dregs.

1/10 You really try too hard. It's like you are desperate or something. It's supposed to come naturally, and you just don't have it.


Look who tosses up a trolling score when you have nothing of value to add to the convo and you are called out on it; I see that a lot on this forum. Also, way to not even bother to prove your case by actually, you know, proving your case.
 
2012-09-09 10:42:44 AM  
Somehow I doubt it will help.

1.bp.blogspot.com


/btw, don't worry about putting all your shiat out on the cloud
 
2012-09-09 10:46:09 AM  
Heh. Subby said 'facial'
 
2012-09-09 10:50:45 AM  

MartinD-35: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm telling you that you clearly don't understand how the authorities act with such information, and that were they to attempt to do what you are suggesting they would need to expand the NSA etc. staff to such a degree to the hundreds of thousands;

Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.

Crotchrocket Slim: Also, you yourself are engaging in your own ad hominem attacks against me in quoting that link and you don't even realize it.

Fail! Pointing out a logical fallacy is not in and of itself a logical fallacy.

MartinD-35: I read a book this summer (history teacher and history buff) that you need to read. It's a simple enough title for you to understand "1877" (subtitled "America's Year of Living Violently") by Michael A. Bellesiles. Could possibly give you some additional insight into the fallacy of your argument. It's what you do with that information (republicon's, abuse it) (democrats, use it wisely to prevent terrorism). I'm pretty far left of the average Democrat (green party but not a vote waster).

First of all, no vote is ever "wasted". Second, if you're taking to time to post, why not actually make an argument from the book instead of saying "hey, read this book".

Because, like most good books, I can't do that on fark without losing the average farker. Suffice it to say our President was using the federal troops to bust up peaceful demonstrations violently by causing them to become violent with his Pinkerton private security army and other such like things.


Probably not in the book but I do have to admit that shiat in Anaheim was scary as hell; that said I'm going to keep calling out people who don't have reasonable objections to this sort of thing.

Bear in mind a lot of protesters are wearing face masks these days making discussions about this software farking moot anyway.
 
2012-09-09 10:55:53 AM  

MartinD-35: Because, like most good books, I can't do that on fark without losing the average farker. Suffice it to say our President was using the federal troops to bust up peaceful demonstrations violently by causing them to become violent with his Pinkerton private security army and other such like things.


Does that somehow justify surveillance without probable cause?

Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.

Utterly irrelevant to my thinking in any case. Even if this software were being used to monitor the movements of individuals by strictly local authorities, there is absolutely no expectation of privacy in public spaces.

Fail! Pointing out a logical fallacy is not in and of itself a logical fallacy.

Yet you don't bother responding to any of the non-ad hominem points I raise. You are guilty of the only fail we care about on Fark.


Actually, I responded to each of your points. You have yet to address what I've said in response. Here, in case you are somehow incapable of scrolling up, and/or have the memory of a goldfish.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: By your logic, once we have something that can do the equivalent of an MRI on someone's entire house as police cars drive through the neighborhood, it's entirely reasonable, as long as we can manufacture them inexpensively.


BraveNewCheneyWorld: I understand that technology and manufacturing capacity increase as time moves forward, or because I believe that surveilling a population with the same level of attention without probable cause on the level of the Stasi is in itself a violation of what is "reasonable"?


BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.

 

So, will you now address any of these points with a direct answer, or are you going to ignore them again and harp on the fact that I said that you might have the memory of a goldfish in an effort to avoid substantive debate?
 
2012-09-09 11:11:28 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Look who tosses up a trolling score when you have nothing of value to add to the convo and you are called out on it; I see that a lot on this forum. Also, way to not even bother to prove your case by actually, you know, proving your case.


It's not that I called you a troll, actually I say you aren't a troll. But you sadly missed that too. You got a really low score because you try too hard. Why don't you try a different approach, somewhere else? Someone might be fooled if you just keep trying. You are just a nice and rational person pretending to be a mentally deficient troll.

Since you want an explanation of what I said. I hate doing this because it loses something when you have to explain a joke.

I pretended to get outraged by the article saying less instead of fewer, as opposed to the obvious issue that everyone else was bringing up.

I hope this sufficiently satisfies your query.
 
2012-09-09 11:26:33 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: I would score a much higher percentage with Ass Recognition software.

[www.popcrunch.com image 250x377]

[rearpics.com image 307x400]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x180]

/3 out of 3 asses identified. 100 percent


Nice.
 
2012-09-09 11:42:07 AM  
So it costs a billion. Guess that means itll cost another 2 billion to fix the bugs when it confuses a pack of nuns for terrorists
 
2012-09-09 12:00:30 PM  
Wear sunglasses. Facial recognition on camera is farked. They hide some cheekbone attributes and cover the eyes. They also protect you from the evil sun and make a fashion statement.
 
2012-09-09 12:01:10 PM  

namatad: So part of me thinks that something "like" this could also be used to prevent/reduce identity theft.
Guy tries to use my credit card and doesnt look like me, card gets rejected.
Home loans, TADA, etc, etc, etc.

How many open criminal cases (rape, assault, murder, robbery, fraud) have DNA, fingerprints, photos, sketches and no leads?
Purely as step one for generating leads, I have no problem with this. (mostly)

We have KNOWN that this is coming for a long time. Cameras everywhere, government, corporate and citizen. People put trillions of photos online.
FFS, GIS alone is an amusing start to a long chain of events.

As much as photos can be used to put you on the suspect list, photos can also help generate alibis.
/Here is a series of photos and cell tower pings, showing my location for the last 2 weeks. I was in chicago, not NYC, therefore, I was not the one who shot rush limbog.



They already knew that, since rush limbog works and lives in Florida.
 
2012-09-09 12:06:49 PM  

tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.


THIS
 
2012-09-09 12:14:16 PM  

tkwasny: The history of mans behavior is key to understanding its future.

Once a power to manipulate and control people is available (just available, thats all thats needed) man will devise a way to to separate those with access and power from those that do not. What happens next to those cast out is the string of horrors throughout history.

Go ahead and argue the "but if they did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about" side. I dare you.


THIS.

This is the difference (at this place and time) between liberals and conservatives.

Liberals (at this place and time) are in love with the concept of Big Government as a tool for justice and progress, correctly understanding that, properly used and controlled, government can really accomplish a lot of good things.

So can fire.

Conservatives (at this place and time) look at the correct fire analogy and history (one does not even to argue "human nature") and distrust all things Big Government.
 
2012-09-09 12:14:41 PM  
Ctrl F - beard.

leaving disappointed.
 
2012-09-09 12:24:44 PM  
but each facial is unique.
 
2012-09-09 12:38:37 PM  
Epic mustache. ..


cdn-i.dmdentertainment.com
 
2012-09-09 12:43:10 PM  
But you said you gave MaryJane a pearl necklace... how much did that cost?
 
2012-09-09 12:52:01 PM  
It's the federal government. They will only use it for good. They have to. It's the law. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-09-09 12:54:57 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: MartinD-35: Because, like most good books, I can't do that on fark without losing the average farker. Suffice it to say our President was using the federal troops to bust up peaceful demonstrations violently by causing them to become violent with his Pinkerton private security army and other such like things.

Does that somehow justify surveillance without probable cause?

Crotchrocket Slim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon implementation, it's not a violation? Where exactly do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable? Also, you don't know exactly what the government does with the information, and they're fairly well known for overstepping their authority.

Utterly irrelevant to my thinking in any case. Even if this software were being used to monitor the movements of individuals by strictly local authorities, there is absolutely no expectation of privacy in public spaces.

Fail! Pointing out a logical fallacy is not in and of itself a logical fallacy.

Yet you don't bother responding to any of the non-ad hominem points I raise. You are guilty of the only fail we care about on Fark.

Actually, I responded to each of your points. You have yet to address what I've said in response. Here, in case you are somehow incapable of scrolling up, and/or have the memory of a goldfish.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: By your logic, once we have something that can do the equivalent of an MRI on someone's entire house as police cars drive through the neighborhood, it's entirely reasonable, as long as we can manufacture them inexpensively.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: I understand that technology and manufacturing capacity increase as time moves forward, or because I believe that surveilling a population with the same level of attention without probable cause on the level of the Stasi is in itself a violation of what is "reasonable"?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because if a program doesn't instantly cover the entire nation upon imp ...


Huh? you seem to be a bit confused here. I made the point that they've been using illegal surveillance for some time now and doesn't really change a thing, since it isn't effectively surveillance.
 
2012-09-09 12:57:45 PM  
Interestingly enough, $1 billion is exactly what it's going to cost when Apple nabs their asses on the patent.
 
2012-09-09 01:24:02 PM  
It's pretty easy to fool that stuff.

CV Dazzle

This method also keeps you from running afoul of laws stipulating that wearing a face mask is illegal. This probably won't last long, but the key to facial recognition is having a face that looks like a face.
 
2012-09-09 01:50:42 PM  
Predict Groucho Marx's everywhere.
sixpacktech.com
 
2012-09-09 02:21:23 PM  
If past history has any bearing on this, the system will identify an asian woman as Elvis on a regular basis.
 
2012-09-09 02:30:43 PM  

BronyMedic: I always like it when truthers out themselves. The mental gymnastics they perform to link events to proof that the Government somehow conspired to cause or allow 9/11 to happen the way it did never ceases to amaze me, especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence from thousands of Scientists, Specialists, and Engineers, and numerous Government, and Nongovernmental agencies conducting investigations, in addition to confessions from the people who planned it.

You, on the other hand, seem to not know what a Correlation vs. Causation fallacy is.

You're not a clever pony. You're not even original by claiming this crap. All you are is the guy that everyone else points and laughs at. Look. I get it. You want to feel special and important. You want to feel like the wolf among sheeple. But the simple fact of the matter is that people do horrible things to other people for no reason than to hurt others and incite fear, and that's what happened here. There wasn't a cabal of Magic Illuminati holographic missiles. There wasn't some special, sooper-secret "nano-thermite" built into the towers 30 years before the attack so that they could be used in this matter.

No. These were 19 pissed off, inhuman monsters - mostly of the Saudi Arabian flavor - who decided to murder people in the best way they could.


Keep on sleeping, sheep.
 
2012-09-09 02:42:54 PM  

GAT_00: I think it's quaint that you suddenly think this is a new thing that we need to suddenly be afraid about. Facial recognition systems have been online and used en masse for years, but you didn't care Subby because nobody pointed you to an article then and told you to be outraged.


Yeah, come on guys... Everyone knows there's a well-established 18 month statute of limitations on criticism of government programs. If you're not pissed within 18 months, you have no right to say anything about it ever. Or... if there's a Democrat in the White House. You should just accept that the government knows better.

Move along.
 
2012-09-09 03:16:09 PM  
Not to be confused with the previous 1 billion dollar facial recognition system fark had random articles about a few years ago.
 
2012-09-09 03:39:47 PM  

SoothinglyDeranged: For the last time, paranoidmitter, nobody gives a flying fark about your boring ass.


right, nobody gives a fark about him, but people care about Harrison Ford and this stuff tracks him too... and it isn't the "gov't"... it is people that work for the gov't. Just ordinary people too stupid to work in the private sector, peppered in with people that are power hungry and above the law.

Just imagine Sheriff Joe's lacky who is a true believer (even more than the sheriff) has the ability to track anybody that they might want to just randomly arrest.

whenever there is something happening like this and someone tells you "nobody will abuse it" or "nobody cares about you" or "if you have nothing to hide..." you should immediately ask yourself, "Why can't i track my politicians the same way?" "why can't i track the police the same way?" i don't really care about any individual cop or local politician, do they have something to hide? aren't they more accountable to us than we are to them? we should be able to watch our politicians 24/7 long before they can do it to us.

i'ts kinda funny that i even have to say this stuff... it's like the constitution keeps the gov't in check enough that people just take for granted that they will always be in check, no matter how much power you give them. even though we know that isn't true, we see examples every day, and that is why it was written in the first place.
 
2012-09-09 03:52:33 PM  

gh0strid3r: JerkyMeat: The U.S. government benefited the most by 911 in all aspects and with this fact and mountains of other facts that have been marginalized by most as "truther" nonsense, 911 was most likely planned by the powerful in the U.S. for this benefit. This rollout by the FBI is just another example of the benefit of the federal power grab "justified" by a so called terrorist attack.

Still thinking correlation implies causation? Just because an entity benefits from an event doesn't automatically prove they initiated it. People benefit from others' misfortune all the time without causing that misfortune. A big example is how World War II boosted the economy of the United States. Not only did we not start that war, we did everything we could to stay our of it for as long as possible.


Wars benefit the populace by lowering the population or stealing resources.
 
2012-09-09 05:34:44 PM  

St_Francis_P: Is there some sinister implication here I'm unaware of?


Authority automatically equals pure evil on the internet.
 
2012-09-09 07:06:22 PM  

mxwjs: SoothinglyDeranged: For the last time, paranoidmitter, nobody gives a flying fark about your boring ass.

right, nobody gives a fark about him, but people care about Harrison Ford and this stuff tracks him too... and it isn't the "gov't"... it is people that work for the gov't. Just ordinary people too stupid to work in the private sector, peppered in with people that are power hungry and above the law.

Just imagine Sheriff Joe's lacky who is a true believer (even more than the sheriff) has the ability to track anybody that they might want to just randomly arrest.

whenever there is something happening like this and someone tells you "nobody will abuse it" or "nobody cares about you" or "if you have nothing to hide..." you should immediately ask yourself, "Why can't i track my politicians the same way?" "why can't i track the police the same way?" i don't really care about any individual cop or local politician, do they have something to hide? aren't they more accountable to us than we are to them? we should be able to watch our politicians 24/7 long before they can do it to us.

i'ts kinda funny that i even have to say this stuff... it's like the constitution keeps the gov't in check enough that people just take for granted that they will always be in check, no matter how much power you give them. even though we know that isn't true, we see examples every day, and that is why it was written in the first place.


There exist people, at some point or another, that will take advantage of anything, but if you plan on living in fear of those people you're going to live a tiring life. It's facial recognition software, and without tempting fate too strongly, just how terrified should one honestly be about the ability of a computer to recognize one's face. Take a deep breath and chill the fark out.
 
2012-09-09 08:20:45 PM  
It's worth it if we catch Waldo.
 
2012-09-09 09:05:21 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: PunGent: KrispyKritter: good thing criminals don't know about gloves, masks and stolen cars.

this is what they are telling the public about. you can bet your sweet arse they have stuff they are using that you won't know about for 20 years. but you're not a hoodlum anyway so who cares.

Good thing the FBI hasn't been complicit in any murders lately.

Oh, wait...

"Fark Independent" isn't really independent.


I'm truly independent and I'm on Fark. We're not mythical, we exist. We're just not idiotic partisans who goose step on command. If you have any doubts about my independence and any familiarity with my posts you're an idiot. Your partisanship is just you showing us, proving really, that you're unable to think for yourself. Of course, there's likely something I don't agree with in your favorite side's platform, rhetoric, or behavior that likely won't be able to reason so you'll surely consider me a member of the opposite party and an independent in name only or, as you said, a "Fark Independent."

"Fark Independent" as an attack can be taken to mean, "I am unable and unwilling to think for myself. I can't denounce your views with logic, dismiss them as racist, or fully comprehend the intricacies involved so (I'm)/you're compelled to call someone names, wet (my)yourself, and denounce the other as being illogical and bigoted regardless of merit." It is intellectual dishonest but an oft used tactic.

To cite myself as an example of your idiotic belief system: I've voted for only one winning president and have voted in many more elections than you. That president? It was Clinton, his second term. I have, in all my years, never found a republican presidential candidate that I could vote for. Just because we can think for ourselves and actually act on those thoughts doesn't mean we're Republicans. We don't disagree with you because you're a Democrat. We disagree with you because you're an idiot.

That you need to invent a mythical creature to explain away the logical fallacies is telling, don't you think? No, probably not. You probably won't think. That's something you should consider trying if you get the chance, it is difficult but liberating. The quality of the results hinges entirely on your own effort and willingness to put the labor into it. Good luck should you opt for that path. Seriously, good luck. I'd start with changing the thinking that "Independent" is a bad thing but that's probably your greatest stumbling block.

/was stupid in certain things in the past too
//was man enough to admit it
/is surely stupid in other areas to this day
 
2012-09-09 09:59:19 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Crotchrocket Slim: PunGent: KrispyKritter: good thing criminals don't know about gloves, masks and stolen cars.

this is what they are telling the public about. you can bet your sweet arse they have stuff they are using that you won't know about for 20 years. but you're not a hoodlum anyway so who cares.

Good thing the FBI hasn't been complicit in any murders lately.

Oh, wait...

"Fark Independent" isn't really independent.

I'm truly independent and I'm on Fark. We're not mythical, we exist. We're just not idiotic partisans who goose step on command. If you have any doubts about my independence and any familiarity with my posts you're an idiot. Your partisanship is just you showing us, proving really, that you're unable to think for yourself. Of course, there's likely something I don't agree with in your favorite side's platform, rhetoric, or behavior that likely won't be able to reason so you'll surely consider me a member of the opposite party and an independent in name only or, as you said, a "Fark Independent."

"Fark Independent" as an attack can be taken to mean, "I am unable and unwilling to think for myself. I can't denounce your views with logic, dismiss them as racist, or fully comprehend the intricacies involved so (I'm)/you're compelled to call someone names, wet (my)yourself, and denounce the other as being illogical and bigoted regardless of merit." It is intellectual dishonest but an oft used tactic.

To cite myself as an example of your idiotic belief system: I've voted for only one winning president and have voted in many more elections than you. That president? It was Clinton, his second term. I have, in all my years, never found a republican presidential candidate that I could vote for. Just because we can think for ourselves and actually act on those thoughts doesn't mean we're Republicans. We don't disagree with you because you're a Democrat. We disagree with you because you're an idiot.

That you need to invent a mythical creature to explain ...


You summed up the Fark Independent mndset nicely. Thanks.
 
2012-09-09 10:16:21 PM  
blog.zap2it.com
 
2012-09-09 10:53:41 PM  

slimfast: [blog.zap2it.com image 550x500]


Great show. Can't wait for the new season to start.
 
2012-09-09 10:59:55 PM  

Hector Remarkable: It's worth it if we catch Waldo.


Eh, Waldo's eccentric but harmless. It's that damn Carmen Sandiego they should be worried about. She's worse than Bin Laden; at least he never tried to steal the entire United States government.
 
2012-09-09 11:15:23 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Hector Remarkable: It's worth it if we catch Waldo.

Eh, Waldo's eccentric but harmless. It's that damn Carmen Sandiego they should be worried about. She's worse than Bin Laden; at least he never tried to steal the entire United States government.



I don't know that I'd be so quick to dismiss Evil Waldo Haqqani:
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-09 11:18:26 PM  

John Buck 41: UnspokenVoice: Crotchrocket Slim: PunGent: KrispyKritter: good thing criminals don't know about gloves, masks and stolen cars.

this is what they are telling the public about. you can bet your sweet arse they have stuff they are using that you won't know about for 20 years. but you're not a hoodlum anyway so who cares.

Good thing the FBI hasn't been complicit in any murders lately.

Oh, wait...

"Fark Independent" isn't really independent.

I'm truly independent and I'm on Fark. We're not mythical, we exist. We're just not idiotic partisans who goose step on command. If you have any doubts about my independence and any familiarity with my posts you're an idiot. Your partisanship is just you showing us, proving really, that you're unable to think for yourself. Of course, there's likely something I don't agree with in your favorite side's platform, rhetoric, or behavior that likely won't be able to reason so you'll surely consider me a member of the opposite party and an independent in name only or, as you said, a "Fark Independent."

"Fark Independent" as an attack can be taken to mean, "I am unable and unwilling to think for myself. I can't denounce your views with logic, dismiss them as racist, or fully comprehend the intricacies involved so (I'm)/you're compelled to call someone names, wet (my)yourself, and denounce the other as being illogical and bigoted regardless of merit." It is intellectual dishonest but an oft used tactic.

To cite myself as an example of your idiotic belief system: I've voted for only one winning president and have voted in many more elections than you. That president? It was Clinton, his second term. I have, in all my years, never found a republican presidential candidate that I could vote for. Just because we can think for ourselves and actually act on those thoughts doesn't mean we're Republicans. We don't disagree with you because you're a Democrat. We disagree with you because you're an idiot.

That you need to invent a mythical crea ...


You are quite mistaken from what I've seen as definitions thrown about. As near as I can tell the accused is considered to be a closet republican who decries Bush as being any one of a number of things. The reality is that I detest the Republican party completely and pretty much always have. The same goes for the Democrats in my opinion. I actually consider the Democrats of today to be worse, they should be smart enough to know better where the Republicans are just plain too stupid so they sort of have an excuse.

I have a history of coming out on the side of freedom each and every time and no, I'm not a Libertarian either. I don't fit into your little check boxes, sorry. I'm not that simple. There are quite a few of us that don't drool while raging against the other political parties. We recognize that most of the people who try to get elected are dishonest, selfish, authoritarian, and value only those with money enough to get their attention. I'm surely not the only one nor am I the type of person you snidely call a "Fark Independent" if you elect to adhere to any definition at all. The big difference is that we have a history of this and haven't changed our point of view but has, each time, expressed a desire to ensure that we maintain or gain as many liberties as possible. I'm pretty dedicated to it, I've voted for Nader more times than I think the guy has actually run and I don't vote for him because I want him to win (I'd really rather he not to be honest) but I vote for him because I want them to know that my vote isn't for either of the two parties. It is, I know, a wasted vote.

So don't attempt to lump me in with those same people you refer to as something less than you. We are true independents and we do indeed exist in deed and in name - to the point of having our own officially recognized party (look on your Maine ballot though we are lumped in with Green usually). No no, I do consider it comical when people are snide about it. The reality is that we do exist and, yes, I do consider that a level above being a partisan. I truly do vote across the spectrum and I do indeed research the candidates and I do vote according to how I feel that, not just I but my neighbors as well, we will be represented in the government office for which I'm voting.
 
2012-09-09 11:40:54 PM  
i1211.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-10 12:56:00 AM  

GAT_00: Subby


Hey GAT, lay off the acid, dude.

/It's only because I care.
//Not really
 
2012-09-10 02:20:02 AM  

Vector R: [i1211.photobucket.com image 468x294]


Lo-Fi scrambler suit gits r' done.
 
2012-09-10 03:40:34 AM  
Facial recognition/comparison software has said I look like Dick Cheney. I have thick curly hair, a goatee, and that's the least of the difference. Also, I've never shot anyone in the face.

/I'd hope that for $1 billion, they'd have better software than that.
//But it probably won't be
 
2012-09-10 04:38:53 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Conservatives (at this place and time) look at the correct fire analogy and history (one does not even to argue "human nature") and distrust all things Big Government.


this, except that you forgot to say "the conservatives SAY that they distrust big government, but the conservatives continue to increase the size of government every chance that they get"
 
2012-09-10 05:39:32 AM  

NutWrench: gh0strid3r: Asa Phelps: What a waste of money. No such system has ever had more true positives than false positives.

So what you're saying is... if something doesn't work 100% on the first try, we should quit trying?

How about when that something includes the possibility of you being detained or imprisoned because of it?
You don't take people out of the loop. Someone has to take the blame when things don't quite reach 100% and it's not going to be "the computer."


So you have proof they have taken people out of the loop? The computer is just going to send anything that looks like a match to get a lethal injection administered by another computer system with no human input in the process? Or is it going to be used to speed up searching through large quantities of footage to highlight possible matches to the investigators so they don't have to spend days watching lots of irrelevant stuff? 

People should worry about what the government does, not the fact they use technology to avoid having to have lots of extra unnecessary staff and have to raise taxes to avoid morons that worry about "creepy technology" being used to make the government employee more efficient. Paranoid morons that jump at shadows allows government get away with more stuff because they can group together valid criticisms of their actions with stuff like this, and just claim the criticisms are coming from nutjob conspiracy theorists.
 
2012-09-10 05:43:24 AM  

UnspokenVoice: John Buck 41


Wow, if that was dirercted at me I didn't mean to pigeonhole you. Sorry if you think I did.
 
2012-09-10 11:53:54 AM  

namatad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Conservatives (at this place and time) look at the correct fire analogy and history (one does not even to argue "human nature") and distrust all things Big Government.

this, except that you forgot to say "the conservatives SAY that they distrust big government, but the conservatives continue to increase the size of government every chance that they get"


You are in large part correct.
 
2012-09-10 03:20:23 PM  

John Buck 41: slimfast


Ditto.
 
2012-09-10 03:26:12 PM  
ONE NATION UNDER CCTV
 
2012-09-10 07:29:38 PM  
So now when the wrong guy is apprehended the authorities will have a new tool to back them up in their wrongful prosecution.
 
2012-09-11 07:28:25 PM  

John Buck 41: UnspokenVoice: John Buck 41

Wow, if that was dirercted at me I didn't mean to pigeonhole you. Sorry if you think I did.


Well, to be fair, you did. I also admit that I react a bit strongly to being lumped in with those types of people. My bad, I do get a bit defensive but I imagine most would if they were being compared to mouth breathing morons when, frankly, I'm aware that I'm nothing of the sort and that's not just ego talking. ;)
 
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