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(Some Guy)   Billionaire to the poor: Work more, drink less. Rebuttal: "Getting ahead has as much to do with hard work as the price of oil has to do with whether or not you trim your pubic hair"   (explodingunicorn.blogspot.com) divider line 436
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2012-09-08 04:22:03 PM  
This is what Liberals really believe.
 
2012-09-08 04:29:55 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: This is what Liberals really believe.


smitty was partially correct. Getting ahead, at least in the US, is based largely on how wealthy your parents were. If you have wealthy parents, you're set. If you don't, you're screwed. There are exceptions, just like in the lottery, but the odds aren't that different at the end of the day.

And yeah, liberals do tend to know a lot of things. Ignorance isn't bliss.
 
2012-09-08 04:53:44 PM  
Rich kids tend to stay rich? No shiat.

What subby is saying is that lying around all day will make you just as successful as a guy working his ass off running a small business.
 
2012-09-08 05:11:16 PM  

MisterTweak: Getting ahead, at least in the US, is based largely on how wealthy your parents were. If you have wealthy parents, you're set. If you don't, you're screwed.


Well then I guess we should all just quit working and stand around waiting for someone to give us something that was taken from someone else. It's the only way.
 
2012-09-08 05:11:21 PM  

MisterTweak: Elvis_Bogart: This is what Liberals really believe.

smitty was partially correct. Getting ahead, at least in the US, is based largely on how wealthy your parents were. If you have wealthy parents, you're set. If you don't, you're screwed. There are exceptions, just like in the lottery, but the odds aren't that different at the end of the day.

And yeah, liberals do tend to know a lot of things. Ignorance isn't bliss.


Oh yeah.. I'm bootstrappy and made my first million before I hit 30 (which I subsequently spent on hookers and limos). I was raised dirt poor though. Now I'm more realistic with my spending and have settled down so I actually keep the money I make rather than blowing it out the door. However it was my impression until about 6 years ago that everyone can do exactly what I can do and bootstrap your way up to wherever.. In reality thats not the case.

The major difference is that my mother, who's mortgage I now pay, made sure that I was focused. She kept me out of trouble, she made sure the crowd I was involved in were good people, basically she paid attention to me. So many kids don't have parents who dedicate their lives to them like she did. I'm very lucky in that respect and attribute a great deal of my financial success to who she made me into and I now do the same for my son who goes to a $20,000 a year private school. He is now in the same class as those rich kids I wished to be when I was young.

However I'm raising him like my mom raised me and he respects what he's being given. Yesterday on the way back from football practice he said, "Some of those kids are assholes.. They have no respect for how hard their parents are working to give them the opportunity to be at this school. We're so lucky to go here I'm always going to be focused on success." He's 11.. Tomorrow he's spending 4 hours at a shelter to help fold clothes at a church.
 
2012-09-08 05:15:59 PM  
So, I should not work hard and instead try to change who my parents are? Brilliant!
 
2012-09-08 05:23:46 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: MisterTweak: Getting ahead, at least in the US, is based largely on how wealthy your parents were. If you have wealthy parents, you're set. If you don't, you're screwed.

Well then I guess we should all just quit working and stand around waiting for someone to give us something that was taken from someone else. It's the only way.


I'm sorry I broke the statement apart into two sentences, forgot that we have some republicans amongst us. The quote you read was "...you're screwed. There are exceptions, just like in the lottery, but the odds aren't that different at the end of the day."

And while I'm doing quite fine, thank you, I don't begrudge people who are less fortunate than me, some assistance. If only there were some historical figure who had taught this kind of behavior was the basic requirement for morality. If only.
 
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2012-09-08 05:25:28 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: This is what Liberals really believe.


I agree 100% with this headline.

When I was younger I was so poor I wasn't able to eat with regularity. I would go without food a couple days a week yet I was working my ass off making other people rich. Those same people risked my life with chemical exposures and unsafe work conditions on many occasions. During that time I never got to do things with friends and family because I was always mowing a lawn or fixing someones car, furniture, motorcycle, roof, etc. etc.

Since that time I've become a millionaire and am working on becoming a multimillionaire. NONE of that accumulation of wealth came from hard work, NONE. Now I make well over a $100,000 a year (not including investment incomes) and work less than I've ever worked in my life. Yet people tell me I do amazing things. What? I showed up for work and signed some papers? Great things my ass.

Working hard to get ahead is a lie business owners tell to their workers. Not that some small businesses don't promote from within, some do. The best way to tell if you're being lied to is to find out where all the upper management came from. If they didn't rise up through the ranks, they're a bullshiat operations. Without a doubt, It's my belief that being honest, showing integrity and a willingness to help those around you is the greatest path to success. I have a sign on my office wall which reads "Always Do Good Things Especially When No One Is Looking" and I mean it.
 
2012-09-08 05:26:58 PM  
It's not just how hard you work, it's how hard you get others to work for you. That's why infrastructure is key as well.
 
2012-09-08 05:29:06 PM  

MisterTweak: There are exceptions, just like in the lottery


I don't play the lottery. But I work. It's worked well for me but I guess I'm doing it wrong or something.
 
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2012-09-08 05:32:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: MisterTweak: There are exceptions, just like in the lottery

I don't play the lottery. But I work. It's worked well for me but I guess I'm doing it wrong or something.



I'm a millionaire and I spend $10 or $20 bucks a month on lottery tickets. Why not? I've certainly spent money on worse things. At least that money goes to local schools when I don't win.
 
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2012-09-08 05:35:02 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, I should not work hard and instead try to change who my parents are? Brilliant!


I can tell from your thinking processes you're not going to be one of the successful puppies in the litter....
 
2012-09-08 05:55:21 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: Rich kids tend to stay rich? No shiat.


Hey. Genius. Intergenerational income mobility is supposed to show precisely *0* correlation in efficient free markets.

/in other words: inheritance is a legally-imposed market failure
//it's perfect socialism, to be precise - positive rewards reaped from never participating in the marketplace of risk
 
2012-09-08 05:56:53 PM  
It's more how you work than how hard you work. Without a deep understanding of the work you do and how that work is related to the company you work for then it's unlikely your hard work will pay off. Employers however will not tell you how to get ahead in the company. If you follow the rules of your manager/director exactly it's unlikely you'll move ahead much in your career. To get ahead it takes awareness. Awareness most don't possess. This doesn't mean that people shouldn't be valued for the good work they do, as it's often work that is critical to the foundations of our economy.
 
2012-09-08 06:09:21 PM  
While my daughter has it better than I did when I was growing up, I am also by no means rich. My wife and I both work full-time jobs to pay bills. However, I have one of those job that no matter how hard I work, my raise will be the exact same as the guy next to be who surfs origami fetish pr0n most of the day. If I am lucky enough to get promoted to another department or higher position, the company finds a way to label it a 'lateral move' and I don't get a raise.
 
2012-09-08 06:17:45 PM  
I don't think you're getting too far in life with pubes grown down to your ankles
 
2012-09-08 06:22:15 PM  

NFA: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, I should not work hard and instead try to change who my parents are? Brilliant!

I can tell from your thinking processes you're not going to be one of the successful puppies in the litter....


I haven't been able to tell from your other posts, but are you a millionaire?
 
2012-09-08 06:35:24 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: I don't think you're getting too far in life with pubes grown down to your ankles


It's a good thing pubes don't work that way...
 
2012-09-08 06:40:59 PM  
Nobody ever became teacher of the year by staying sober.

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2012-09-08 06:41:37 PM  
I don't know, oil prices always spike when a Bush is in charge.
 
2012-09-08 06:45:13 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Dead for Tax Reasons: I don't think you're getting too far in life with pubes grown down to your ankles

It's a good thing pubes don't work that way...


you haven't looked hard enough on the internet then
 
2012-09-08 06:48:49 PM  

Mentat: I don't know, oil prices always spike when a Bush is in charge.


This is just sublime
 
2012-09-08 06:53:38 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: I don't think you're getting too far in life with pubes grown down to your ankles


sez you.
 
2012-09-08 06:59:56 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: The My Little Pony Killer: Dead for Tax Reasons: I don't think you're getting too far in life with pubes grown down to your ankles

It's a good thing pubes don't work that way...

you haven't looked hard enough on the internet then


I can't say I have much interest in exploring that corner of the web, thanks.
 
2012-09-08 07:02:52 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: Rich kids tend to stay rich? No shiat.

What subby is saying is that lying around all day will make you just as successful as a guy working his ass off running a small business.


True, although you may want to switch that order to make it more poignant:

"lying around all day will make you just as successful as a guy working his ass off running a small business"

"Small business owners" are not the 1%. They're not even the 10%.
 
2012-09-08 07:04:01 PM  
God-is-a-Taco:

Oops. I mean:

"Working your ass off running a small business will make you just as successful as a guy that lies around all day."
 
2012-09-08 07:06:32 PM  
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2012-09-08 08:04:46 PM  

aybara: While my daughter has it better than I did when I was growing up, I am also by no means rich. My wife and I both work full-time jobs to pay bills. However, I have one of those job that no matter how hard I work, my raise will be the exact same as the guy next to be who surfs origami fetish pr0n most of the day. If I am lucky enough to get promoted to another department or higher position, the company finds a way to label it a 'lateral move' and I don't get a raise.


Then look for another gig, moonlight, take classes, freelance, holy shiat, people.
 
2012-09-08 08:05:52 PM  
Unless you're born to a rich family, you will need to work hard to get ahead.

However, simply working hard is not sufficient. You also need to work intelligently, be judicious as to your resources, and have some luck. Lazy people deserve what they get. The stupid need to learn. The profligate must cut back. The unlucky... they're just very unfortunate.

What's so irritating about this guy's comment is that there are lots of people who work very hard but never get anywhere. Sometimes it's due to poor choices, but others just bad luck and the tendency for life to throw unexpected curveballs.
 
2012-09-08 08:06:46 PM  
Ive only heard of this woman twice and I already dispise her. She inherited a fortune and tells poor people to work harder? To be fair, I don't know how much work she has put into her company, but judging by her chins and massive gut, little to none of it was physical labor. I'd be willing to bet if there was an "ugliest person on earth" awards, she would win the "ugly on the inside" and "ugly on the outside (non birth defect related" categories.
 
2012-09-08 08:08:23 PM  
By the way, Australian billionaire Gina Rinehart, who made that comment to work hard, drink less to become rich, INHERTED her wealth from her father.

Probably takes her a million dollar bribe for her to get laid too. OMG, have you seen photos of that woman?  Here, see what I mean?

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-09-08 08:09:14 PM  
Class war thread!!!!


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Hey everybody, it's ANOTHER CLASS WAR THREAD!

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2012-09-08 08:10:11 PM  

MayoSlather: It's more how you work than how hard you work. Without a deep understanding of the work you do and how that work is related to the company you work for then it's unlikely your hard work will pay off. Employers however will not tell you how to get ahead in the company. If you follow the rules of your manager/director exactly it's unlikely you'll move ahead much in your career. To get ahead it takes awareness. Awareness most don't possess. This doesn't mean that people shouldn't be valued for the good work they do, as it's often work that is critical to the foundations of our economy.


This is exactly right. Too many people think effort equals performance, and it's just not true.
 
2012-09-08 08:12:27 PM  
My wife has gone from being poor, poor as child (we're talking single-wide trailer with no running water) to being solidly middle class. How? By getting a real education and not taking out car title loans (she also doesn't drink much either).

The rest of her broke-arse family is jealous because they didn't finish high school (although they have Walden University online degrees) and owe money to every Cash Advance store in southwest Georgia.

Remember folks, you can't solve money problems with money.
 
2012-09-08 08:13:09 PM  
"Getting ahead has as much to do with hard work as the price of oil has to do with whether or not you trim your pubic hair"
 
2012-09-08 08:14:32 PM  
Yeah, she inherited a buttload of money. Every one is ignoring the fact that she got richer by busting her a$$.
 
2012-09-08 08:16:20 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: This is what Liberals really believe.


It's because it's true.

I've watched working men spend their entire lives working long work-weeks in brutal conditions, and never get
ahead.

I've been in dead-end jobs where if not for the pure Grace of God that I had a family that could help me and am pretty dang smart, I would still be stuck there.

I've watched kids of rich families skate by on mediocre grades to fancy schools they got in to through connections, then go on to get management jobs where they were mediocre executives making more in their mid 20's than a working man would be making after 30 years of working his fingers to the bone.

I've seen dumb-as-a-post ditzy blondes who barely got a college degree and managed to call in "sick" constantly get promoted way up in the corporate hierarchy when everybody knew it was only because she spent most of her time on her back, or on her knees, while applicants with better credentials and better work ethics were turned down for lack of critical fellatio skills.

While it is possible for hard work to factor into the equation of being successful, it is not a particularly strong correlation. Who you know, who you blow, and how talented/smart you are are just as big (or bigger) factors.
 
2012-09-08 08:17:25 PM  

Zavulon: This is exactly right. Too many people think effort equals performance, and it's just not true.

Smart

effort gives a greater chance of better performance, nothing more. However, unless you have outside sources giving you wealth, laziness rarely breeds success.
 
2012-09-08 08:17:34 PM  
I really wish this country would skip to the part where we just start killing each other again. This holding pattern we are in is excruciating. I got whole list of farkers I look forward to dying so I can hand their shiat to mexican illegals at the home depot parking lot. Long long list of farkers.

I hope we can get to the part where we all just killing each other in my lifetime, seems like Im going to miss it though.
 
2012-09-08 08:17:44 PM  

bullocks: Yeah, she inherited a buttload of money. Every one is ignoring the fact that she got richer by busting her a$$.


Busting her a$$ off? Hell, seems more like she ate her way to the top.
 
2012-09-08 08:18:28 PM  
I work hard not for the pursuit of wealth but to better my skill. Money is secondary and oddly I've found, comes on it's own.

Engineer.
 
2012-09-08 08:19:01 PM  
In general, everybody works hard. But give two guys each a shovel. Give one a minimum wage job digging ditches and give the other a treasure map. Who's going to work harder?
 
2012-09-08 08:19:28 PM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2012-09-08 08:19:57 PM  
Sweatshops around the world are full of VERY hard working people, they must hide their wealth in off-shore banks.
 
2012-09-08 08:21:20 PM  
Hard work is a pretty misleading phrase to use. If you absolutely bust your ass and become an expert in your career as a parking lot attendant you probably won't ever be rich. So too if you're born rich you can be a slack ass and will still probably never be poor.

The factors that make people able or willing to get on more lucrative tracks aren't necessarily related to hard work but it's a simple answer that makes rich people feel good about themselves so it's easy to see why it's appealing.
 
2012-09-08 08:21:22 PM  
I would encourage you guys to take a look at this, particularly the section on scientific findings. I got to hear Dr. Duckworth (yup, that's her name) speak recently and it was pretty impressive.

But I do agree that regardless of how much grit people may have, some start with a leg up. A black kid from the Anacostia part of DC who is being raised by a 85yr old grandmother because his parents couldn't afford to raise him is at a significant disadvantage to the white kid whose parents both have college degrees and have an average household income of $150k.

Anybody who thinks they got there 'on their own' needs to grow a pair and actually own up to the fact that somewhere along the way, you leaned on someone else.
 
2012-09-08 08:23:01 PM  

MisterTweak: Dancin_In_Anson: MisterTweak: Getting ahead, at least in the US, is based largely on how wealthy your parents were. If you have wealthy parents, you're set. If you don't, you're screwed.

Well then I guess we should all just quit working and stand around waiting for someone to give us something that was taken from someone else. It's the only way.

I'm sorry I broke the statement apart into two sentences, forgot that we have some republicans amongst us. The quote you read was "...you're screwed. There are exceptions, just like in the lottery, but the odds aren't that different at the end of the day."

And while I'm doing quite fine, thank you, I don't begrudge people who are less fortunate than me, some assistance. If only there were some historical figure who had taught this kind of behavior was the basic requirement for morality. If only.


So I only had a 1:16,528,569 chance of getting 3 promotions in 4yrs by working my ass off? If I had known that, I'd just stayed home in bed.
 
2012-09-08 08:23:12 PM  

pippi longstocking: Sweatshops around the world are full of VERY hard working people, they must hide their wealth in off-shore banks.


Yeah, just imagine how much they could make if they started drinking hard and stopped working completely.
 
2012-09-08 08:23:43 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: MisterTweak: Getting ahead, at least in the US, is based largely on how wealthy your parents were. If you have wealthy parents, you're set. If you don't, you're screwed.

Well then I guess we should all just quit working and stand around waiting for someone to give us something that was taken from someone else. It's the only way.


See this is why DIA is such an asshole. He puts a nice straw man ("It's the only way")in his already obtuse response that ignored the full quote.

Taken from someone else is also a hilarious idea because no man is an island and is in fact impacted by their environment. There is a cost for society and you have to pay it because you have benefited from it. If you really believe that taking from someone else garbage then start lobbying for a 100% estate tax.
 
2012-09-08 08:24:12 PM  
I have gotten out of bed and worked hard my entire life. I have nice things. No debt.
 
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