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(Omaha World Herald)   Democratic Senate candidate and small business owner Bob Kerrey isn't really on board with Obama's Affordable Care Act. As a matter of fact he down right hates the employer mandate. This is what you have to do to get elected in Nebraska   (omaha.com ) divider line
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2012-09-08 02:12:19 PM  
Most people I've talked to think Romneycare Obamacare was a 2nd best sort of thing that had a chance of passing the Republicans in Congress.
 
2012-09-08 03:27:23 PM  
I hear Kerry is hopping mad about it
 
2012-09-08 03:39:36 PM  
Gee, I'm shocked that a Senator from Nebraska would have issues with Obamacare.
 
2012-09-08 03:40:02 PM  
Nebraska got them Blue Dog Blues.

/He's right that tying health insurance irrevocably to one's place of employment is a bad idea.
 
2012-09-08 03:56:42 PM  
In other news, Bob Kerrey is running for the Senate in Nebraska. He's going to stab the Democrats in the back half the time anyway, at least he's saying so before he gets elected.
 
2012-09-08 04:09:26 PM  
Was he the war criminal?
 
2012-09-08 04:17:14 PM  

Mentat: Gee, I'm shocked that a Senator from Nebraska would have issues with Obamacare.


Having taken classes at the New School (remedial) when he was the President for ten years, and having met him, to me he's always sounded like a voice of moderation.

/he's brought the school a long way
//His record is impressive
 
2012-09-08 05:01:03 PM  
Democratic Senate candidate Bob Kerrey said Thursday that he hates the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act and that his own businesses might drop employee insurance and pay the federal fine for doing so if the mandate goes into effect in 2014.

Sounds like he might be kind of a dick.

Wait a minute...

The top three candidates running for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska are all millionaires, but the one Democrat in the race, Bob Kerrey, is easily the wealthiest of them all, according to his financial disclosure report.

Kerrey's lists assets of between $5 million and $18 million and no liabilities


...yeah, he's a dick
 
2012-09-08 05:36:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Democratic Senate candidate Bob Kerrey said Thursday that he hates the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act and that his own businesses might drop employee insurance and pay the federal fine for doing so if the mandate goes into effect in 2014.

Sounds like he might be kind of a dick.

Wait a minute...

The top three candidates running for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska are all millionaires, but the one Democrat in the race, Bob Kerrey, is easily the wealthiest of them all, according to his financial disclosure report.

Kerrey's lists assets of between $5 million and $18 million and no liabilities

...yeah, he's a dick


He's a dick because he has a few million dollars? I don't get it.

Unless you're saying that his refusal to pay for him employees' health insurance is shiatty because of his personal wealth, which I guess I can kind of get on board with.
 
2012-09-08 05:36:57 PM  
I don't blame him for hating it, it should be actual universal health care.
 
2012-09-08 05:39:26 PM  

MacEnvy: Unless you're saying that his refusal to pay for him employees' health insurance is shiatty because of his personal wealth, which I guess I can kind of get on board with.


Yeah, that. I don't give a shiat if he has a brazillion dollars, but cutting off his employees' health care so he can have a brazillion and one is shiatty
 
2012-09-08 06:04:23 PM  
Yea, except for the fact you have to have 50 full time employees to be mandated to provide health insurance, which would probably go beyond a "small business" but whatever...

/nuke Nebraska
 
2012-09-08 06:13:30 PM  
Nebraska, huh? I wonder what his position on ethanol is?
 
2012-09-08 06:21:16 PM  

MacEnvy: Lionel Mandrake: Democratic Senate candidate Bob Kerrey said Thursday that he hates the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act and that his own businesses might drop employee insurance and pay the federal fine for doing so if the mandate goes into effect in 2014.

Sounds like he might be kind of a dick.

Wait a minute...

The top three candidates running for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska are all millionaires, but the one Democrat in the race, Bob Kerrey, is easily the wealthiest of them all, according to his financial disclosure report.

Kerrey's lists assets of between $5 million and $18 million and no liabilities

...yeah, he's a dick

He's a dick because he has a few million dollars? I don't get it.

Unless you're saying that his refusal to pay for him employees' health insurance is shiatty because of his personal wealth, which I guess I can kind of get on board with.


He's a dick for saying this:

"Kerrey said wealthy Americans pay their fair share in taxes."
 
2012-09-08 06:23:16 PM  
This Santorum is Latin for asshole Bob Kerrey right? He's always been a decent guy as far as I can remember.
 
2012-09-08 06:26:57 PM  
"I hate the employer mandate," Kerrey said. "I think it's going to have a counterproductive impact. We don't have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine's $2,000. We'll dump 'em off. We won't call it dumping, we'll say ... 'Go get it from the exchange.'"

If this is true, I would imagine a huge number of companies would decide likewise, and you can be damn sure they won't give the employee the 5k difference. There's things like this that make me wonder about the ACA. Wouldn't it be better to add a 7k tax per employee to the business and just initiate universal health care?
 
2012-09-08 06:28:36 PM  
Democratic Senate candidate and small business owner Bob Kerrey isn't really on board with Obama's Affordable Care Act. As a matter of fact he down right hates the employer mandate. This is what you have to do to get elected in Nebraska....

Or maybe as someone who is directly affected by ObamaCare, he is in the best position to speak on the destructive impact this will have on not just his buisness, but thousands of others across America. But nah, that won't fit the administration's (and apprently subby's) propaganda campaing that everyone loves Obamacare.
 
2012-09-08 06:43:23 PM  
And he says this while campaigning for a job which would give him free taxpayer funded healthcare for life.

Think about that.
 
2012-09-08 06:52:58 PM  
I agree with Bob Kerrey. The employer mandate is a slight disincentive to hiring. However, the alternative would be making the individual mandate fine greater, and of course voters REALLY wouldn't go for that. They'd much rather someone else pay their fine for them.
 
2012-09-08 06:53:13 PM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: Democratic Senate candidate and small business owner Bob Kerrey isn't really on board with Obama's Affordable Care Act. As a matter of fact he down right hates the employer mandate. This is what you have to do to get elected in Nebraska....

Or maybe as someone who is directly affected by ObamaCare, he is in the best position to speak on the destructive impact this will have on not just his buisness, but thousands of others across America. But nah, that won't fit the administration's (and apprently subby's) propaganda campaing that everyone loves Obamacare.


If a business is A: large enough to fall under the scope of the ACA, but B: cannot afford to provide basic health insurance for its workers, it's clearly doing poorly and deserves to fail.

I know Republicans look at the working conditions in China with envy, but if sane people have their way, that won't happen in America.
 
2012-09-08 06:53:19 PM  
So, he was ok with paying 7K BEFORE the government said he had to, but now he can say screw it and pay only 2K in a fines that's the route he is going to take.

That just proved that he will screw over the workers just to spite them.

Nothing says that you have the best interest of you constituents at heart, should you be elected, then that.
 
2012-09-08 06:53:34 PM  

MrSplifferton: If this is true, I would imagine a huge number of companies would decide likewise, and you can be damn sure they won't give the employee the 5k difference. There's things like this that make me wonder about the ACA. Wouldn't it be better to add a 7k tax per employee to the business and just initiate universal health care?


Yes. Completely better. The government could control prices, services, the whole works. With the entire country as their customers they could basically dictate what things cost (so a four thousand dollar heart monitoring machine doesn't show up as a seventy-five thousand dollar insurance 'bill'.)

But socialism bad.
 
2012-09-08 06:55:39 PM  

deadcrickets: He's a dick for saying this:

"Kerrey said wealthy Americans pay their fair share in taxes."


There's also his whole, "I'd rather pay a fine than make sure my employees have access to decent health care thing" to consider.

/Paraphrased, of course.
 
2012-09-08 07:07:58 PM  

Dalrint: MrSplifferton: If this is true, I would imagine a huge number of companies would decide likewise, and you can be damn sure they won't give the employee the 5k difference. There's things like this that make me wonder about the ACA. Wouldn't it be better to add a 7k tax per employee to the business and just initiate universal health care?

Yes. Completely better. The government could control prices, services, the whole works. With the entire country as their customers they could basically dictate what things cost (so a four thousand dollar heart monitoring machine doesn't show up as a seventy-five thousand dollar insurance 'bill'.)

But socialism bad.


Right, I'm not too familiar with socialism. My understanding of socialism (in regards to health care) is that it means somewhere a poor person will get access to health care when they don't 'deserve' it. If people had to 'deserve' health care why do we admit the uninsured into a hospital at all? We could just let them die in the street.
 
2012-09-08 07:08:23 PM  

stoli n coke: And he says this while campaigning for a job which would give him free taxpayer funded healthcare for life.

Think about that.


Think about this: You haven't said a thing about that until this Dem tickled your belly. 

While I'm for the Affordable Health Care Act in general, when the politicians who make policy are with us on the same page... I will be weary to believe them
 
2012-09-08 07:12:36 PM  

Mentat: Gee, I'm shocked that a Senator from Nebraska would have issues with Obamacare.


For someone who apparently doesn't like either the employer or individual mandate, he's been voting for or co-sponsoring bills for it since 1994..

Mind you, back then, that also included Kansas Senators Dole and Kassebaum and Missouri Senators Kit Bond and John Danforth.
 
2012-09-08 07:18:17 PM  

quatchi: Nebraska got them Blue Dog Blues.

/He's right that tying health insurance irrevocably to one's place of employment is a bad idea.


If obamacare is doing that, then it was already irrevocably tied to employment. Untying it would require intrusion into the market or a public option.
 
2012-09-08 07:26:14 PM  
Nebraska: Where even the Democrats are right wing douchebags.
 
2012-09-08 07:32:01 PM  
"I hate the employer mandate," Kerrey said. "I think it's going to have a counterproductive impact. We don't have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine's $2,000. We'll dump 'em off. We won't call it dumping, we'll say ... 'Go get it from the exchange.'"

I don't get this. Why is it that you'd you dump them off at a cost of $2000, when you didn't dump them off at a cost of $0?
 
2012-09-08 07:42:18 PM  

Wyalt Derp: "I hate the employer mandate," Kerrey said. "I think it's going to have a counterproductive impact. We don't have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine's $2,000. We'll dump 'em off. We won't call it dumping, we'll say ... 'Go get it from the exchange.'"

I don't get this. Why is it that you'd you dump them off at a cost of $2000, when you didn't dump them off at a cost of $0?


You're making the mistake of thinking this is a rationally considered course of action.
 
2012-09-08 07:50:07 PM  
honesty.
why do people have such a problem with it.

you just want people to tow the party line all the time.

sad.
 
2012-09-08 07:51:39 PM  

Wyalt Derp: "I hate the employer mandate," Kerrey said. "I think it's going to have a counterproductive impact. We don't have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine's $2,000. We'll dump 'em off. We won't call it dumping, we'll say ... 'Go get it from the exchange.'"

I don't get this. Why is it that you'd you dump them off at a cost of $2000, when you didn't dump them off at a cost of $0?


Because you can tell employees they can now get coverage elsewhere. They can't blame you at that point vs. if you just drop them.
 
2012-09-08 07:52:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: tow the party line


You are adorable sometimes.
 
2012-09-08 07:54:19 PM  

quatchi: deadcrickets: He's a dick for saying this:

"Kerrey said wealthy Americans pay their fair share in taxes."

There's also his whole, "I'd rather pay a fine than make sure my employees have access to decent health care thing" to consider.

/Paraphrased, of course.


Are you saying that the exchanges are not going to provide access to decent health care? If so, then you should be against them right?
 
2012-09-08 07:56:50 PM  

quatchi: tenpoundsofcheese: tow the party line

You are adorable sometimes.


fat fingers and no proof rwading will do that.

I meant reading.
 
2012-09-08 08:20:22 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Democratic Senate candidate Bob Kerrey said Thursday that he hates the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act and that his own businesses might drop employee insurance and pay the federal fine for doing so if the mandate goes into effect in 2014.


Can someone explain the logic of this position to me? If he's providing insurance to his employees now with a penalty of $0, why would he stop providing it simply because a penalty for increases? Spite?

Wyalt Derp: I don't get this. Why is it that you'd you dump them off at a cost of $2000, when you didn't dump them off at a cost of $0?


This. I don't get it.

tenpoundsofcheese: Because you can tell employees they can now get coverage elsewhere. They can't blame you at that point vs. if you just drop them.


That's not the argument they're making. They're framing it as a cost savings measure. They could save even more money by dropping health insurance today.

And more to the point, whether you drop it now or drop it in 2014, you're still a dick of a CEO for doing so. Unless they're upping employee pay by $5000 to compensate the employee for the loss of that benefit.
 
2012-09-08 08:26:17 PM  

dartben: Can someone explain the logic of this position to me? If he's providing insurance to his employees now with a penalty of $0, why would he stop providing it simply because a penalty for increases? Spite?


He's doing it because you have to be a douchebag to get votes in Nebraska.
 
2012-09-08 08:30:57 PM  

dartben: And more to the point, whether you drop it now or drop it in 2014, you're still a dick of a CEO for doing so. Unless they're upping employee pay by $5000 to compensate the employee for the loss of that benefit.


Yes and no.

If I were given two identical job offers:

Job Offer A paid $5000 more per year. It did not come with any coverage. I could choose from a dozen or more plans in the state-run exchange. And buy that pre-tax (effectively).

Job offer B paid $5000 less. But it came with coverage. One choice. Some guy who goes out golfing with the COO sells it to us.

Under the protections of PPACA? I'd take Offer A, all other things equal.

That's the thing the free-market people don't seem to get. Massachusetts has the most competitive (at the individual consumer level) health insurance market in the nation.
 
2012-09-08 10:25:15 PM  
Democratic Senate candidate and small business owner Bob Kerrey isn't really on board with Obama's Affordable Care Act. As a matter of fact he down right hates the employer mandate. This is what you have to do to get elected in Nebraska

What, be honest?
 
2012-09-08 10:49:31 PM  
I read the article and his argument seems to be that the penalty for non-compliance is insufficiently burdensome to make it worth it to keep paying the larger costs of insuring his employees.

He basically states that he'll just punt his employees to the exchanges unless it's equally expensive to pay their health care costs directly.

From the article:
"I hate the employer mandate," Kerrey said. "I think it's going to have a counterproductive impact. We don't have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine's $2,000. We'll dump 'em off. We won't call it dumping, we'll say ... 'Go get it from the exchange.'"

Fair enough, but then he decries:
He said the employer mandate "will accelerate an already breaking-down employer-based system." That portion of the law should be repealed, he said.

So the mandate/penalty should be repealed because the actual costs of employer based coverage are larger than that of the mandate/penalty and we need to preserve a "breaking-down" system because...you know...whatever.

What the hell is this dude talking about?
 
2012-09-08 11:10:09 PM  

Makh: I don't blame him for hating it, it should be actual universal health care.


As a Canadian, I've always been kind of confused about why US businesses tolerate a system where most people get insurance through their employers. Doesn't that add dramatically to the cost of doing business? Companies in Canada don't have to provide basic health insurance to their employees (though most large ones provide supplementary coverage for things like prescriptions and glasses and private hospital rooms.) And doesn't fear of losing health care discourage entrepreneurship? I don't think I would have left a corporate job and gone out on my own if I hadn't had universal health care.
 
2012-09-08 11:13:37 PM  

angrycrank: Makh: I don't blame him for hating it, it should be actual universal health care.

As a Canadian, I've always been kind of confused about why US businesses tolerate a system where most people get insurance through their employers. Doesn't that add dramatically to the cost of doing business? Companies in Canada don't have to provide basic health insurance to their employees (though most large ones provide supplementary coverage for things like prescriptions and glasses and private hospital rooms.) And doesn't fear of losing health care discourage entrepreneurship? I don't think I would have left a corporate job and gone out on my own if I hadn't had universal health care.


Yes to all of the above.

It's an artifact from WWII wage controls. We put up with it for the same reason we still use QWERTY keyboards - there's too much momentum behind it to switch, even though there are better ways available.
 
2012-09-08 11:33:13 PM  

angrycrank: As a Canadian, I've always been kind of confused about why US businesses tolerate a system where most people get insurance through their employers.
...
And doesn't fear of losing health care discourage entrepreneurship? I don't think I would have left a corporate job and gone out on my own if I hadn't had universal health care.


You just answered your own question. It does discourage entrepreneurship, and this is a reason US business has generally leaned toward the system we've had. Desperate employees' tears are sweeter. The US clusterfark was also liked more by Fortune 500 companies than smaller firms (though plenty of the latter are run by ultra-conservatives) because, while it sucks for them, it sucks even more for small companies.
 
2012-09-08 11:58:02 PM  
OK, if you have 50 full time employees you aren't really a small business as far as a lot of government regs go. Having worked for the gov as a contractor for 6 years I can say a lot of differences exist between the over 50 and under 50 crowds. So I honestly think this won't be huge impact on truly small businesses like your mom and pop shops.
 
2012-09-08 11:59:15 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Mentat: Gee, I'm shocked that a Senator from Nebraska would have issues with Obamacare.

Having taken classes at the New School (remedial) when he was the President for ten years, and having met him, to me he's always sounded like a voice of moderation.

/he's brought the school a long way
//His record is impressive


The democrats are already moderate. There is effectively no liberal presence in this country... Do you mean moderation as in halfway between the moderates and the lunatic fringe?
 
2012-09-09 12:05:22 AM  
I've met Bob (no, I called him Senator Kerrey)

california republican circa 1962, mostly, and a war hero (or criminal, depending). down to earth guy though.
 
2012-09-09 01:15:38 AM  

shadow9d9: There is effectively no liberal presence in this country...
Do you mean moderation as in halfway between the moderates and the lunatic fringe?

There is effectively no liberal presence in this country


Just wrong... know your party and the other parties in this country (brother has been a member of the Green Party since very early on). Or are you trying to equate the US with other countries?

Do you mean moderation as in halfway between the moderates and the lunatic fringe?

Both sides have the crazies and I agree the Democrats have a good deal more mods now than the Republicans but by all means, move your goal posts ask you see fit.
 
2012-09-09 02:22:10 AM  
It's going to be interesting, to me, to see Lawrence O'Donnel's reaction to this. Kerrey really connected with him personally, and before Kerrey got in the race, he was pulling for Kerrey to get into it. Not only that, but Kerrey came up in unrelated incidents (talking about singing politicians as a show of character), so it's pretty easy to imagine LOD is going to be bothered by this talking point. Probably will dedicate some time to talking about it - and I bet it's going to come down to 'Hey, he's right, it's not perfect, and to be a democrat in Nebraska, you gotta go against the party at times.'

If he does, I'll actually be pretty happy, because it's true. You don't want a monoculture leading the nation.
 
2012-09-09 03:02:44 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Mentat: Gee, I'm shocked that a Senator from Nebraska would have issues with Obamacare.

Having taken classes at the New School (remedial) when he was the President for ten years, and having met him, to me he's always sounded like a voice of moderation.

/he's brought the school a long way
//His record is impressive


Horseshiat. He is a right-winger.
 
2012-09-09 03:08:20 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: Democratic Senate candidate and small business owner Bob Kerrey isn't really on board with Obama's Affordable Care Act. As a matter of fact he down right hates the employer mandate. This is what you have to do to get elected in Nebraska....

Or maybe as someone who is directly affected by ObamaCare, he is in the best position to speak on the destructive impact this will have on not just his buisness, but thousands of others across America. But nah, that won't fit the administration's (and apprently subby's) propaganda campaing that everyone loves Obamacare.


So we tell people who don't have health insurance to "get a job" because the assumption is that your employer will provide health care benefits but then we complain when employers are required to provide health insurance benefits. Sounds like we have a great system in place.
 
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