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(Think Progress)   Ohio Secretary of State has a change of heart about letting citizens vote early after judge demands his presence in his court. It seems that saying you're going to defy a court order isn't the brightest move   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2012-09-08 08:06:39 PM  

HighOnCraic: theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?

An Ohio GOP election official who voted against the weekend voting rules that enabled thousands to cast ballots in the 2008 election said Sunday that he did not think that the state's early voting procedures should accommodate African-Americans.

"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine," Doug Priesse said in an email to the Columbus Dispatch Sunday. "Let's be fair and reasonable."

Priesse is a member of the board of elections for Franklin County, which includes Columbus, and chairman of the Franklin County Republican Party.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican, on Wednesday ordered all 88 counties in Ohio to allow early voting Monday through Friday, until 7 p.m., during the final two weeks before the election. Weekend voting, however, will not be allowed.

Weekend voting helped 93,000 Ohioans cast ballots in the final three days before the 2008 election. Black churches promoted taking "your souls to the polls" events on the Sunday preceding the election, an option that will be unavailable if Husted's ruling stands. (The Obama administration has sued Husted to restore the final three days of early voting.)

Early voters in 2008 in Cuyahoga and Franklin counties were disproportionately African-American. A study by Northeast Ohio Voter Advocates found blacks accounted for 56 percent of all in-person early votes in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, while they accounted for 26 percent of votes overall. In Franklin County, African-Americans cast 31 percent of early votes and 21 percent of votes overall.

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Sooooo, pretty much straight up racist voter suppression with no derp mixer then?
 
2012-09-08 08:13:01 PM  

amindofiron: theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?

As far as I know they've more or less given up trying to bother justifying this stuff. They're just hoping they can shotgun enough of these that *some* of them will make it through. It tastes of desperation to me to be honest.


Right. And if they'd drawn the right judge, all would have been well in voter suppression land.
 
2012-09-08 08:21:10 PM  

amindofiron: HighOnCraic: theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?

An Ohio GOP election official who voted against the weekend voting rules that enabled thousands to cast ballots in the 2008 election said Sunday that he did not think that the state's early voting procedures should accommodate African-Americans.

"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine," Doug Priesse said in an email to the Columbus Dispatch Sunday. "Let's be fair and reasonable."

Priesse is a member of the board of elections for Franklin County, which includes Columbus, and chairman of the Franklin County Republican Party.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican, on Wednesday ordered all 88 counties in Ohio to allow early voting Monday through Friday, until 7 p.m., during the final two weeks before the election. Weekend voting, however, will not be allowed.

Weekend voting helped 93,000 Ohioans cast ballots in the final three days before the 2008 election. Black churches promoted taking "your souls to the polls" events on the Sunday preceding the election, an option that will be unavailable if Husted's ruling stands. (The Obama administration has sued Husted to restore the final three days of early voting.)

Early voters in 2008 in Cuyahoga and Franklin counties were disproportionately African-American. A study by Northeast Ohio Voter Advocates found blacks accounted for 56 percent of all in-person early votes in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, while they accounted for 26 percent of votes overall. In Franklin County, African-Americans cast 31 percent of early votes and 21 percent of votes overall.

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Sooooo, pretty much straight up racist voter suppression with no derp mixer then?


Shh! You're racist for pointing that out!

/Damn, now I'm racist for pointing out that you shouldn't have called them racists!
 
2012-09-08 08:31:56 PM  
Also known as "Oh, fark, I really can't do whatever I want?"
 
2012-09-08 08:50:35 PM  

coco ebert: leviosaurus: This is why I don't trust Nate Silver's numbers. Restrict the voting for a small pool of dem districts and the whole model turns toward Romney. Republicans are so convinced of their own anti-obama bs that they really believe cheating is justified.

Word. There needs to be more publicity about Republican efforts to steal this election. They're basically openly saying that they're trying to restrict people of color voting.


Well as long as 3/5ths of them get a chance to vote it seems like it should be okay.
 
2012-09-08 08:57:25 PM  

Weaver95: Husted also issued a formal apology to the court for Directive 2012-40. "The Secretary's intention was not to create a stay of this Court's Order," the filing read. "The Secretary apologizes to the federal district court for creating that misimpression and has rescinded Directive 2012-40."

Translation: 'f*ck it, I'm not going to jail over this. we'll just rig the election some other way'.


THIS ^
 
2012-09-08 09:05:01 PM  

amindofiron: HighOnCraic: theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?

An Ohio GOP election official who voted against the weekend voting rules that enabled thousands to cast ballots in the 2008 election said Sunday that he did not think that the state's early voting procedures should accommodate African-Americans.

"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine," Doug Priesse said in an email to the Columbus Dispatch Sunday. "Let's be fair and reasonable."

Priesse is a member of the board of elections for Franklin County, which includes Columbus, and chairman of the Franklin County Republican Party.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican, on Wednesday ordered all 88 counties in Ohio to allow early voting Monday through Friday, until 7 p.m., during the final two weeks before the election. Weekend voting, however, will not be allowed.

Weekend voting helped 93,000 Ohioans cast ballots in the final three days before the 2008 election. Black churches promoted taking "your souls to the polls" events on the Sunday preceding the election, an option that will be unavailable if Husted's ruling stands. (The Obama administration has sued Husted to restore the final three days of early voting.)

Early voters in 2008 in Cuyahoga and Franklin counties were disproportionately African-American. A study by Northeast Ohio Voter Advocates found blacks accounted for 56 percent of all in-person early votes in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, while they accounted for 26 percent of votes overall. In Franklin County, African-Americans cast 31 percent of early votes and 21 percent of votes overall.

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Sooooo, pretty much straight up racist voter suppression with no derp mixer then?


Nothing new for the GOP in Ohio. Before the 2004 election, the GOP publicly announced that they were going to send representatives to the polls in Cleveland to challenge voters who might be ineligible (allowed under Ohio law, but never before done on any large scale). It was mostly an empty threat, but the democrats organized a counter group of poll monitors to make try to protect voter rights. I signed up and was assigned to a polling station in my neighborhood. I actually kept getting moved around as there were issues, and I talked to a lot of people who had been spooked by the GOP threat. They were all poor, and had moved since they last actually registered to vote. They had been convinced (incorrectly) that if they tried to vote, they would be challenged and arrested. It probably cost Kerry a few thousand votes in Cleveland alone. That wasn't enough to swing the election that year, but it was definitely dirty pool.
 
2012-09-08 09:50:28 PM  

HighOnCraic: theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?

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You know, call me naive, but as someone who generally gives people the benefit of the doubt, it is in my nature to not think that people are racist without an obvious indicator. With that being said, I can almost, sort of, understand someone suggesting that the voting laws prior to 2008 were fair the way they were, so let's go back to them.

Of course, I'd have to assume that there was mass outrage when the weekend voting was implemented. I wonder if there was. It is particularly sad to think that there was no major issue with the idea of weekend voting prior to 2008 until the GOP realized how many black folks voted during those times and now think it is a 'black advantage' even though white and all races are allowed to vote at those times.

Ugh... I am hesitant to call out 'racism' against my political foes, but for goodness sakes, this is about as clear an example as I have ever seen.

/I has a sad
 
2012-09-08 10:42:15 PM  
Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?
 
2012-09-08 11:23:55 PM  

tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?


WTF are you talking about?
 
2012-09-08 11:51:59 PM  

theknuckler_33: tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?


Don't know the specific instance, but I'd bet it's birth-certificate-related.
 
2012-09-09 12:40:48 AM  

abb3w: Nice that the dolt finally backed down.


And Romney can forget winning the Presidency, since no President has ever won without winning Ohio IIRC.
 
2012-09-09 12:42:33 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties.

Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.


Not just that, why isn't anyone not Republican in Ohio demanding that this jabroni resign his post. If a Democrat ever did that Republicans would be demanding a federal investigation.
 
2012-09-09 01:26:39 AM  

buckler: sdd2000: No they were really trying to have non urban counties have longer voting hours and weekend hours. This was a real issue in that in that in the inner cities last presidential election they had such long lines that some people did not get to vote till many hours after the polls would normally close (in Ohio if you are in line at closing time you still get to vote). They generously allowed the military to vote the weekend before election day but no one else unless the county election boards approved. County election boards are split evenly between the two parties and in the event of a tie the Sec. of State, breaks the tie. Well guess what for inner city boards he broke the tie saying to stay closed.

Am I mistaken, or does Federal law not require employees to be given time off to vote?


Brave New World. Since many (most?) employees are on some kind of 'temp' or freelance basis at this point, good luck. Don't show up? You are conveniently not called for work the next week.

The law hasn't caught up with the new reality, and may never, purposefully or otherwise, unless there is some kind of 'new unionization' temps/desk jockeys/licensed professionals etc.

/don't see it happening soon
 
2012-09-09 01:29:27 AM  

theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?


I'm pretty sure the rationale was "Fark you, that's why."
 
2012-09-09 01:46:08 AM  

buckler: Am I mistaken, or does Federal law not require employees to be given time off to vote?


Everyone is entitled to *unpaid* time off to go vote.
 
2012-09-09 01:48:24 AM  

theknuckler_33: tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?


You know, that thing Obama did that was kind of like defying a court order that one time? That one.
 
2012-09-09 02:00:38 AM  

Gyrfalcon: theknuckler_33: tony*****: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?

You know, that thing Obama did that was kind of like defying a court order that one time? That one.


That's a surprisingly low quality threadshiat. Normally more than six seconds of effort is put into it; something more than a NO-U.
 
2012-09-09 02:12:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: theknuckler_33: tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?

You know, that thing Obama did that was kind of like defying a court order that one time? That one.


Oh, you mean the "I'm not gonna send a guy to show up at the 10 millionth birther thing" thing?

Let me quench my thirst with your butthurt tears.

Are you wetting your pants about Iran too?
 
2012-09-09 03:11:54 AM  
The jackass got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and got told.
 
2012-09-09 11:50:13 AM  

xria: coco ebert: leviosaurus: This is why I don't trust Nate Silver's numbers. Restrict the voting for a small pool of dem districts and the whole model turns toward Romney. Republicans are so convinced of their own anti-obama bs that they really believe cheating is justified.

Word. There needs to be more publicity about Republican efforts to steal this election. They're basically openly saying that they're trying to restrict people of color voting.

Well as long as 3/5ths of them get a chance to vote it seems like it should be okay.


*iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg*
 
2012-09-09 12:30:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: theknuckler_33: tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?

You know, that thing Obama did that was kind of like defying a court order that one time? That one.


You mean when he refused to testify at a birther case?

/saw it on Free Republic, so it must be true!
 
2012-09-09 09:28:36 PM  

tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?


FTFA: Ohio.... Republicans.... Secretary of DState

tony41454: OBAMA! OBAMA! LOOK OVER THERE! OBAMA!

you really are a pitiful bit of excrement, you know?
 
2012-09-09 09:29:46 PM  

theknuckler_33: Gyrfalcon: theknuckler_33: tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?

You know, that thing Obama did that was kind of like defying a court order that one time? That one.

Oh, you mean the "I'm not gonna send a guy to show up at the 10 millionth birther thing" thing?


Yup, that's the one. Best part? The birthers lost even though NOBODY showed up to argue against them

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-09-10 01:10:46 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: theknuckler_33: Gyrfalcon: theknuckler_33: tony41454: Defy a court order? Oh, you mean like Obama did?

WTF are you talking about?

You know, that thing Obama did that was kind of like defying a court order that one time? That one.

Oh, you mean the "I'm not gonna send a guy to show up at the 10 millionth birther thing" thing?

Yup, that's the one. Best part? The birthers lost even though NOBODY showed up to argue against them

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA


You mean they lost against an empty chair?
 
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