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(Think Progress)   Ohio Secretary of State has a change of heart about letting citizens vote early after judge demands his presence in his court. It seems that saying you're going to defy a court order isn't the brightest move   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 75
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2012-09-08 02:48:23 PM
Nice that the dolt finally backed down.
 
2012-09-08 03:02:38 PM
How did he think he'd get away with it? Most judges don't have a sense of humor about defying their orders.
 
2012-09-08 03:42:01 PM

St_Francis_P: How did he think he'd get away with it? Most judges don't have a sense of humor about defying their orders.


Because Republicans have a "lead with your dick" mentality that tends to reward boldness over common sense.
 
2012-09-08 03:46:28 PM
Expanding voting hours, he claimed in Directive 2012-40, will "only serve to confuse voters."

[tommyleejones]
 
2012-09-08 03:57:31 PM
RULE OF LAW
RULE OF LAW
 
2012-09-08 04:46:33 PM
Husted also issued a formal apology to the court for Directive 2012-40. "The Secretary's intention was not to create a stay of this Court's Order," the filing read. "The Secretary apologizes to the federal district court for creating that misimpression and has rescinded Directive 2012-40."

Translation: 'f*ck it, I'm not going to jail over this. we'll just rig the election some other way'.
 
2012-09-08 04:59:52 PM
Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties.

Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-09-08 05:03:28 PM

Weaver95: Husted also issued a formal apology to the court for Directive 2012-40. "The Secretary's intention was not to create a stay of this Court's Order," the filing read. "The Secretary apologizes to the federal district court for creating that misimpression and has rescinded Directive 2012-40."

Translation: 'f*ck it, I'm not going to jail over this. we'll just rig the election some other way'.


I'm thinking they are just gonna go super villain-y and say "Since rich people are more important than you normal/poor people, each vote made by a millionaire will be worth 100 votes".
 
2012-09-08 05:09:45 PM

St_Francis_P: How did he think he'd get away with it? Most judges don't have a sense of humor about defying their orders.


Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!

/might be obscure for Gen X-ers...
 
2012-09-08 05:11:12 PM
Please. Everyone knows that Republicans counties have to vote earlier because their constituents may die of old age at any moment. Has nothing to do with reducing the democrat vote.
 
2012-09-08 05:17:25 PM
This is why I don't trust Nate Silver's numbers. Restrict the voting for a small pool of dem districts and the whole model turns toward Romney. Republicans are so convinced of their own anti-obama bs that they really believe cheating is justified.
 
2012-09-08 05:18:24 PM
I hope the judge DIDN'T cancel the order to appear in court, and dresses the guy down despite the back-down.
 
2012-09-08 05:20:28 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties.

Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.


They were limiting hours in Democratic counties to be Monday thru Friday, 9-5, no weekend hours at all while simultaneously expanding hours in Republican counties to go well into the evening (i believe as late as 9 PM) and including weekend hours.

He then said "no one gets expanded hours" to try and quell the initial outrage. However, the Sec. of State made no mention of rules regarding weekend hours.

In response, two election commission members (both D's) went ahead and set weekend hours in their county with the approval of their fellow commission members who were both R's (thus no tie for the Sec. of State to flex his muscle over) he then fired those two D's and I believe both are now suing.

So it really was a election theft attempt.
 
2012-09-08 05:21:41 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.


Unequal hours.
 
2012-09-08 05:23:08 PM
Secy. is the abbreviated form of Secretary.

/That is all.
 
2012-09-08 05:25:08 PM
Classic example of a piece of farking Republican garbage.
 
2012-09-08 05:27:13 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties.

Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.


No they were really trying to have non urban counties have longer voting hours and weekend hours. This was a real issue in that in that in the inner cities last presidential election they had such long lines that some people did not get to vote till many hours after the polls would normally close (in Ohio if you are in line at closing time you still get to vote). They generously allowed the military to vote the weekend before election day but no one else unless the county election boards approved. County election boards are split evenly between the two parties and in the event of a tie the Sec. of State, breaks the tie. Well guess what for inner city boards he broke the tie saying to stay closed.

The federal court did not like the military exception and said that if it is open for some it most be open for all. The Sec. of State took it upon himself to grant his own "stay" pending appeal and the judge asked him to come on down to the court house to discuss it. That is when he backed down.
 
2012-09-08 05:27:27 PM
He has an oddly tiny face. He looks like he got the Woll Smoth treatment.
 
2012-09-08 05:34:56 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties.

Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.


This just in: Urban areas tend to vote D and be at work during regular voting hours, yet their polling places are underfunded (and thus ill-prepared) for the eventual onslaught when everyone gets off of work. Given that, the workaround is to extend hours.

/the burbs and the sticks have, relatively speaking, almost no problem with massive packs of voters arriving at one time
 
2012-09-08 05:36:20 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: I hope the judge DIDN'T cancel the order to appear in court, and dresses the guy down despite the back-down.


I hope the judge DIDN'T cancel the order to appear in court, and the guy pulls a no show.
 
2012-09-08 05:37:38 PM
"Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties."

This is practically out-and-out cartoon villainy.
 
2012-09-08 05:38:25 PM
Dougie AXP:

Aexia:

sdd2000:


Thanks! That's just openly repugnant.
 
2012-09-08 05:39:14 PM
but but but voter fraud

Lmao
 
2012-09-08 05:39:33 PM
Seems like another Republican try at sneaking one under the radar and hoping nobody notices. These people (Republicans) seem like they are getting a little desparate and will do what ever it takes to win no matter how it makes them look in the long run. They have no shame. Dear Republcans: How dare you fark with my vote.

Yours truly

America
 
2012-09-08 05:40:40 PM
"Husted also issued a formal apology to the court for Directive 2012-40. 'The Secretary's intention was not to create a stay of this Court's Order,' the filing read."

What WAS the Secretary's intention, then?

Note to judge: Don't cancel the hearing.
 
2012-09-08 05:41:07 PM

Dougie AXP: Three Crooked Squirrels: Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties.

Can someone explain this to me? Were Democratic districts previously open longer, so they were trying to roll those back and GOP districts forward to meet in the middle? Or were they really trying to create unequal hours? I tried to figure it out, but got nowhere.

They were limiting hours in Democratic counties to be Monday thru Friday, 9-5, no weekend hours at all while simultaneously expanding hours in Republican counties to go well into the evening (i believe as late as 9 PM) and including weekend hours.

He then said "no one gets expanded hours" to try and quell the initial outrage. However, the Sec. of State made no mention of rules regarding weekend hours.

In response, two election commission members (both D's) went ahead and set weekend hours in their county with the approval of their fellow commission members who were both R's (thus no tie for the Sec. of State to flex his muscle over) he then fired those two D's and I believe both are now suing.

So it really was a election theft attempt.


A slightly longer version: the election commissions in each County are 1/2 Dem and 1/2 Rep. In the Democratic counties the Republicans were all voting for minimum hours, and the Secretary of State was the tie-breaker determining that they would be open the minimum. In Republican counties, both the Democrats and Republicans were voting in favor of the extended hours, and so the Secretary of State was not involved.
 
2012-09-08 05:42:24 PM
judges aren't very pleased when you say you are going to defy them.
 
2012-09-08 05:46:35 PM

Wyalt Derp: "Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties."

This is practically out-and-out cartoon villainy.


The right embraces everything they accuse democrats of doing.
 
2012-09-08 05:47:16 PM
GOP: We really are Democrats... why else would we be so unprecedentedly dickish in our policies and legislation if not to get you to vote Democrat?
 
2012-09-08 05:48:59 PM

leviosaurus: This is why I don't trust Nate Silver's numbers. Restrict the voting for a small pool of dem districts and the whole model turns toward Romney. Republicans are so convinced of their own anti-obama bs that they really believe cheating is justified.


Word. There needs to be more publicity about Republican efforts to steal this election. They're basically openly saying that they're trying to restrict people of color voting.
 
2012-09-08 05:52:13 PM
The Ohio GOP has some of the biggest nincompoops in the nation right now. They've got their ass handed to them on a number of issues, SB 5, Issue 2, now this. Husted a moron.

I laughed my ass off when I saw this. These clowns couldn't run a 7-11.
 
2012-09-08 05:52:20 PM
Good to see the courts, at least, acting like adults. In most of these cases, anyway.
 
2012-09-08 05:55:50 PM
Republicans care more about violently imposing democracy in the Middle East than they do preserving it here at home.
 
2012-09-08 05:58:09 PM

trotsky: The Ohio GOP has some of the biggest nincompoops in the nation right now. They've got their ass handed to them on a number of issues, SB 5, Issue 2, now this. Husted a moron.

I laughed my ass off when I saw this. These clowns couldn't run a 7-11.


And yet, somehow, they're in positions of immense power in a swing state.
 
2012-09-08 06:07:20 PM

qorkfiend: trotsky: The Ohio GOP has some of the biggest nincompoops in the nation right now. They've got their ass handed to them on a number of issues, SB 5, Issue 2, now this. Husted a moron.

I laughed my ass off when I saw this. These clowns couldn't run a 7-11.

And yet, somehow, they're in positions of immense power in a swing state.


Not for long. Considering most of their approval ratings are in the toilet and nobody likes Kasich, they've blown their political capital. It's gone. Most of the state doesn't trust them.
 
2012-09-08 06:27:23 PM

Dougie AXP: So it really was a election theft attempt.


good summation.
 
2012-09-08 06:29:24 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: A slightly longer version: the election commissions in each County are 1/2 Dem and 1/2 Rep. In the Democratic counties the Republicans were all voting for minimum hours, and the Secretary of State was the tie-breaker determining that they would be open the minimum. In Republican counties, both the Democrats and Republicans were voting in favor of the extended hours, and so the Secretary of State was not involved.


So another party wide attempt at vote suppression that will go unpunished...
 
2012-09-08 06:37:04 PM
Easy logic test.

If he thought his order was legal he would have faced up to the judge and and provided relevant case law that supported his own order. And why not? That's his job.

On the other hand, If he were just another Republican shill, he would do what all Republican shills do to avoid contempt of court. They act lazy and entitled.

Republican shills. Fark them all.
 
2012-09-08 06:49:55 PM
Here's what really scares me about this. I have met and worked with Husted (Mandel as well, but this thread is not about him.) neither of these people are smart enough to hold the position they hold. They are not smart enough to make decisions. I really believe that they are only doing what they are told to do by the real people in power. I imagine there is a conference call each morning where they are given their marching orders.
 
2012-09-08 07:00:13 PM

sdd2000: No they were really trying to have non urban counties have longer voting hours and weekend hours. This was a real issue in that in that in the inner cities last presidential election they had such long lines that some people did not get to vote till many hours after the polls would normally close (in Ohio if you are in line at closing time you still get to vote). They generously allowed the military to vote the weekend before election day but no one else unless the county election boards approved. County election boards are split evenly between the two parties and in the event of a tie the Sec. of State, breaks the tie. Well guess what for inner city boards he broke the tie saying to stay closed.


Am I mistaken, or does Federal law not require employees to be given time off to vote?
 
2012-09-08 07:05:32 PM

AngryTeacher: Here's what really scares me about this. I have met and worked with Husted (Mandel as well, but this thread is not about him.) neither of these people are smart enough to hold the position they hold. They are not smart enough to make decisions. I really believe that they are only doing what they are told to do by the real people in power. I imagine there is a conference call each morning where they are given their marching orders.


Hold on there, AngryTeacher. You probably don't know that Kasich was a managing director at Lehman Brothers from 2002-2008. So I'm sure I don't need to tell you that you really have to know what's going on to hold that position at one of the biggest firms on Wall Street.

In other words, don't spout off before you know all the facts, libtard.


/What?
//No.
///Why?
////What happened at Lehman Brothers in 2008?
 
2012-09-08 07:08:29 PM

buckler: Am I mistaken, or does Federal law not require employees to be given time off to vote?


Some states do, but there is no federal law requiring such. So, yes, you are mistaken.
 
2012-09-08 07:23:16 PM

Cargo: ////What happened at Lehman Brothers in 2008?


They were skulls for the skull throne.

s2.hubimg.com

/or was it blood for the blood god, I forget exactly.
 
2012-09-08 07:24:54 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Cargo: ////What happened at Lehman Brothers in 2008?

They were skulls for the skull throne.

[s2.hubimg.com image 496x372]

/or was it blood for the blood god, I forget exactly.



Shut up, libtard!
 
2012-09-08 07:38:38 PM

Mentat: St_Francis_P: How did he think he'd get away with it? Most judges don't have a sense of humor about defying their orders.

Because Republicans have a "lead with your dick" mentality that tends to reward boldness over common sense.


Then they claim that it was the evil liberal judges' fault for creating an order they couldn't legally ignore.
 
2012-09-08 07:43:31 PM
"The move led Judge Peter Economus to set a hearing for September 13: "The Court ORDERS that Defendant Secretary of State Jon Husted personally attend the hearing," his release read."

"Economus was nominated to the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio by President Bill Clinton on February 28, 1995, to a seat vacated by Frank Joseph Battisti. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on June 30, 1995"



And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why holding the Executive branch is so goddam important and impact so far-reaching. An obscure judicial appointment by one W. J. Clinton during the summer of 1995 (the summer of love) leads to the quite possible saving of the presidential election for Barack Obama in 2012.
 
2012-09-08 07:44:08 PM

Speaker2Animals: buckler: Am I mistaken, or does Federal law not require employees to be given time off to vote?

Some states do, but there is no federal law requiring such. So, yes, you are mistaken.


Thanks for the clarification.
 
2012-09-08 07:47:44 PM
Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?
 
2012-09-08 07:54:34 PM

theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?


As far as I know they've more or less given up trying to bother justifying this stuff. They're just hoping they can shotgun enough of these that *some* of them will make it through. It tastes of desperation to me to be honest.
 
2012-09-08 07:57:19 PM

theknuckler_33: Was there ever even any kind of rationale for what he was trying to do? Even if it was convoluted, what was his reason for trying to do this?


An Ohio GOP election official who voted against the weekend voting rules that enabled thousands to cast ballots in the 2008 election said Sunday that he did not think that the state's early voting procedures should accommodate African-Americans.

"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine," Doug Priesse said in an email to the Columbus Dispatch Sunday. "Let's be fair and reasonable."

Priesse is a member of the board of elections for Franklin County, which includes Columbus, and chairman of the Franklin County Republican Party.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican, on Wednesday ordered all 88 counties in Ohio to allow early voting Monday through Friday, until 7 p.m., during the final two weeks before the election. Weekend voting, however, will not be allowed.

Weekend voting helped 93,000 Ohioans cast ballots in the final three days before the 2008 election. Black churches promoted taking "your souls to the polls" events on the Sunday preceding the election, an option that will be unavailable if Husted's ruling stands. (The Obama administration has sued Husted to restore the final three days of early voting.)

Early voters in 2008 in Cuyahoga and Franklin counties were disproportionately African-American. A study by Northeast Ohio Voter Advocates found blacks accounted for 56 percent of all in-person early votes in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, while they accounted for 26 percent of votes overall. In Franklin County, African-Americans cast 31 percent of early votes and 21 percent of votes overall.

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