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(SlashFilm)   The new Star Trek film will be subtitled "Into Darkness", which is just where the franchise has been since JJ "Lens Flare" Abrams took over   (slashfilm.com) divider line 44
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2012-09-08 01:59:55 PM
3 votes:
Stop whining, submitter. Nobody likes a whiner.
2012-09-08 01:48:35 PM
3 votes:
Lens flare or not, that last movie was pretty entertaining.

I'd put it up against most of the original cast movies and all of the TNG movies.
2012-09-09 05:13:55 AM
2 votes:
For the record. I do not hate "Star Trek: A Generic Space Movie" just because it's popular. I hate it because it's a Mary Sue.

Remember that episode of "Reboot" where Enzo wanted to be smarter than everybody else. In a classic twist of irony the CPU didn't make Enzo smarter just made everybody else dumber than him. Essentially JJ Abrams made the entire known universe dumber to make Cadet James Kirk look good.
2012-09-08 10:09:22 PM
2 votes:

Mugato: Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.

Not really. In the last episode with the Borg, Picard befriended a Borg drone and turned him back into the collective, ignoring the opportunity to plant a virus that could have destroyed them. He should have been court martial-ed for that shiat.




First Contact was like.. Die Hard Picard.
2012-09-08 09:20:03 PM
2 votes:
Brick-House
Whatever you think of JJ's Star Trek, this belongs here.


I prefer the version with added shakycam: 
www.clusterfake.net
2012-09-08 06:47:40 PM
2 votes:
I'll just leave this here.

Rotten Tomato rankings:

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%
2012-09-08 06:47:07 PM
2 votes:
FTA
That awkward period when you know a film will have a sequel but you don't know it's name.

IS IT? IS IT REALLY AWKWARD? DOES IT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE AND FIDGETY WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF A MOVIE THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, YOU MEME-SPEWING DIMWITTED PLEONASTIC GARBAGE-SPEWING HEMHORROID ON THE HAIRY ASS OF SOCIETY?
2012-09-08 03:35:00 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Also, it looks like you NuTrek fans are getting to be as rabid a bunch as the old Trekkies.

What does it mean when I'm both?


Seriously. I've been a Star Trek fan since before anyone ever dreamed of a "Next Generation" (always poser Trek to me) and now I'm a "nuTrek" fan?

Yeah right. Abrams' Trek is far more close to the spirit of REAL Trek than Berman & Braga ever sniffed.
2012-09-08 02:52:04 PM
2 votes:
The new Star Trek was fine. A significant number of the previous movies were far, far worse. I'm looking at you especially, Nemesis and Insurrection.
2012-09-08 02:36:06 PM
2 votes:

Shostie: The My Little Pony Killer: I liked the last new Star Trek film, so I'm pretty sure I'll like this one.

/You can keep crying about the franchise or whatever.

As a long-time Star Trek fan, I can tell you that I really liked the Abrams movie. It was MUCH better than I was expecting.


That's not going to stop the haters who were mad that the new movie was popular.
2012-09-09 09:20:05 PM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Rhypskallion: Why is 'working with cannon' so hard for creative teams?

Because they are dangerous and can kill people.


celebslists.com

But she was great in "Deathtrap."
2012-09-09 07:16:26 PM
1 votes:
My big problem with the Trek reboot was the Enterprise interiors. Big sets--with no crew (engineering). Little sets--packed with crew (bridge). And the sewage treatment plant that was engineering--all for one joke? Bad choice, low replay value.

The whole 'alternate reality' thing, a few minor changes in the script, blow up some other planet that is not Vulcan, and suddenly it can fit with cannon. Why is 'working with cannon' so hard for creative teams? Cannon and continuity IS BRANDING! How hard is that to understand? Maintaining the brand sells more copies of older properties-Paramount should want that.

Blowing up cannon/continuity/branding is dangerous, and can kill a potential franchise (looking at YOU Dark Shadows).

Oh, and all Star Trek time travel that does not involve Joan Collins dying is bad Star Trek.

MNSHO.
2012-09-09 09:58:47 AM
1 votes:

brb5f: Who/what was Apollo then?


Kind of a dick, actually.
2012-09-09 09:40:27 AM
1 votes:

Gunther: Bhruic: He got promoted to acting first officer, then acting captain. Stupid, but under battle conditions, I suppose theoretically possible. What I was talking about is the permanent promotion he received at the end of the movie. Sure, he's the "hero", but that gets him reinstated as a cadet, or potentially graduates him ahead of time, it doesn't make him graduate immediately into a captain's position.

Yeah, it would have been a much stronger scene if there'd been a short montage of him rising through the ranks in an exceptionally quick amount of time, rather than just "A day ago you were a cadet on the verge of expulsion, but you did OK in a crisis, so now we're making you captain of the Federation flagship!". I don't normally mind plotholes (the whole thing with him and spock coincidentally being marooned on the same planet within thirty seconds walk of each other didn't bother me), but the otherwise-decent film just ends on that pointless "WTF?" moment.


That's what sealed it for me. I ignored the lens flares. I rolled my eyes at the "Red Matter" crap. I forgot about the 0.5 Dimensional villain. I suspended my disbelief that Spock would be thrust into the First Officer role on the Flagship right out of being a teacher at the academy. I forgave just how bright and shiny and toyish the ship was. I was sad, but in full acceptance at the loss of Vulcan; it wasn't very important to me. (heck, no single planet is important to me in Star Trek beyond perhaps Bajor. The show was set in starships, not planetside, after all.) The way that the Enterprise was able to survive the battle with the enemy without being obliterated, like what appeared to be an entire fleet of Federation ships, was intentionally ignored - which took a great deal of effort, but TNG had the battle at Wolf 359 and the Borg and I got my geek on and nailed that suspension of disbelief!

But the Federation allowing Kirk to keep command of a starship immediately after being a Cadet is where I gave up trying to suspend my disbelief. I am really hoping that shiat doesn't stick, and there's something between LensFlare1 and LensFlare2 that explains Kirk getting trained with long term command, having a few adventures and then getting the command permanently.

If we were talking about a Firefly type situation or a Starjammers type situation then I would be quite fine with Kirk getting command right away. Neither of them are bureaucratic/militaristic organizations like Starfleet - Captain Mal didn't need to file regular reports or follow galactic law at all times, and there was no threat that some outside force would give his ship to someone else and he would be expected to leave it without a fight. You've also got the diplomatic and bureaucratic nightmare that would be the command of a starship which Starfleet just couldn't entrust to a raw Cadet.

So that's where the movie lost me.
2012-09-09 06:52:54 AM
1 votes:
I didn't love the JJ.Trek, but it still wasn't as pussy as Next Gen. Original Series is fried gold. Next Gen was a liberal circle jerk. DS9 was hardcore. Voyager at least had 7of9 and her awesome titties. Enterprise...the less said the better, but at least it had goddamned Sam Beckett. Also that vulcan whore T'Pol
2012-09-09 04:54:22 AM
1 votes:
The whole destruction of the planet Vulcan as a plot device was a major turnoff to me.
New Star Trek is like New Coke. They'll film with the current crew until either the movie public gets tired or the actors get too greedy.
Then reboot, rinse repeat. Honestly, this is the first time I don't really care if they do a Star Trek sequel or not.
2012-09-09 01:20:40 AM
1 votes:

thornhill: I disagree that Star Trek was really bad at science.


Dilithium crystals? Really? You just go with that, huh. Red matter is magic but dilithium crystals, why they're all over the galaxy, everyone knows that.

Hey how about we modulate the shields' polarity to deflect the enemy's photon array! That's science(-y sounding)!

Star Trek has about as much to do with real science as Han Solo yammering about parsecs.
2012-09-09 01:15:45 AM
1 votes:

evilwhiteguy: [www.intarnet.us image 600x530]

(but in all seriousness the new movie was great and the rest of trek can go fark itself with the exception of DS9)


The only captain cooler than Captain Sisko . . .

originals.clzimages.com

was Mirror Captain Sisko.
2012-09-09 12:18:51 AM
1 votes:
Here's my beef with Star Trek (2009): it wasn't Star Trek, but just an action/adventure movie.

Star Trek is message heavy, using the lens of science fiction to usually examine a contemporary social issue or they are a morality plays. I think that's why a lot of people don't like it -- it can be preachy -- but I think most trekkies would agree that the best Star Trek episodes and movies fit into these two categories.

The other major characteristic of Star Trek is that it tries to be an accurate depiction of the future, that there is an explanation for how everything works that's grounded in some sort of real science -- it's why the shows always had science advisors on staff. Magical red matter is not Star Trek.

An unrelated objection I had with the movie is that there were too many winks and nods to the trek fans as a way for the filmmakers to insist that they had seen all of the previous Star Trek movies. For example, we didn't need a rehash of the Kobayashi Maru. Nor did we need the transparent aluminum formula gag from Trek 4 redone.

And lastly, I think all trekkies would agree that time travel has become way too overdone with Star Trek, and that's the premises of this movie.
2012-09-08 10:17:57 PM
1 votes:

Shostie: ModernLuddite: Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.

Have they announced who he's playing yet? Last I heard he was going to be Gary Mitchell, but I'm guessing that's not happening.


Hard to say if that was tactical trolling on Karl Urban's part or not. No it hasn't been announced. It's still a year to the movie but it's quite impressive someone hasn't leaked that details. It's what everyone wants to know. At least for now the breast-beating about white-washing Khan has simmered down.

Do you know who probably does know? Stephen farking Hawking. Because according to Dara O'Briain Benedict Cumberbatch told him top secret Start Trek stuff whilst hanging out enjoying margaritas with him this weekend.

/Wish my life was that cool
//Benedict Cumberbatch is a sexy biatch
2012-09-08 10:05:24 PM
1 votes:

isabps: Relatively Obscure: The new Star Trek was fine. A significant number of the previous movies were far, far worse. I'm looking at you especially, Nemesis and Insurrection.

Really? Your gonna call out Insurrection before undiscovered Country?


Um. Yes. Waaaaaay before.
2012-09-08 09:31:34 PM
1 votes:

Erix: Brubold: 2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.

I think I can agree with that.

/although I might honestly put 4 above 6, despite the fact that it was an unapologetic comedy instead of a regular Star Trek film.


Search for Spock was good and First Contact sucked.
2012-09-08 09:20:28 PM
1 votes:
2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.
2012-09-08 09:18:24 PM
1 votes:
Where is Mud?
Whar Mud?
Want See Mud.
2012-09-08 09:17:21 PM
1 votes:

KingoftheCheese: The new Star Trek was better than any Star Trek movie since First Contact.

Although I enjoyed it, I felt that there was one major flaw. The young man that they had playing Sulu was obviously heterosexual. I think that since Georgi Takei came out before this movie did, they should have payed him respect by casting a homosexual Asian American actor to portray Mr. Sulu.

The fact that Sulu was played by a homosexual actor in the original television series is a great testament to how accepting the future will be. I'm sure that many homosexual children that wanted to be astronauts found him to be a great role model. They let him pilot the Federation's flagship, even though he probably slept with the younger, more impressionable male crewmen and more than likely had some sort of space AIDS.

He overcame adversity and that is what made him a great crew member, if not the greatest, that served on the Enterprise. I think Mr. Abrams needs to take a good, hard look at the character of Sulu before the second movie comes out and he betrays even more fans.


Assuming you're actually being serious:

1. Sulu the character was straight.

2. If you're actually worried about this, well, in NuTrek, may I remind you that the actor playing Spock is gay.
2012-09-08 08:31:29 PM
1 votes:

ModernLuddite: Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.


Benedict?
2012-09-08 08:14:16 PM
1 votes:

Erix: DS9 was viewed as rather sacrilegious, but is one of the best iterations of the universe


DS9 In the Pale Moonlight, Sisko does wrong, but feels conflicted about it. Shows character and conscience. If the nuKirk were in the same situation, he would've said f the romulans while cranking some sick tunes on his nokia.

You can change everything about Star Trek if the underlying message is about exploration and human growth. The new movie had no heart at all. If it's just jocks in space, what's the point?
2012-09-08 07:48:31 PM
1 votes:
If you can watch the kobayashi maru scene and say that this new movie was as good as, or even in the same spirit as the franchise, you are wrong. Assholes in space is about as far from star trek as you can get.

All the 'dense' screen filled images of prequel star wars and none of the heart of star trek.

Though I only hate it because it was successful.
2012-09-08 07:46:12 PM
1 votes:

Bhruic: He got promoted to acting first officer, then acting captain. Stupid, but under battle conditions, I suppose theoretically possible. What I was talking about is the permanent promotion he received at the end of the movie. Sure, he's the "hero", but that gets him reinstated as a cadet, or potentially graduates him ahead of time, it doesn't make him graduate immediately into a captain's position.


Yeah, it would have been a much stronger scene if there'd been a short montage of him rising through the ranks in an exceptionally quick amount of time, rather than just "A day ago you were a cadet on the verge of expulsion, but you did OK in a crisis, so now we're making you captain of the Federation flagship!". I don't normally mind plotholes (the whole thing with him and spock coincidentally being marooned on the same planet within thirty seconds walk of each other didn't bother me), but the otherwise-decent film just ends on that pointless "WTF?" moment.
2012-09-08 07:34:23 PM
1 votes:
I'm working on a JJ Abrahms TV project right now.

Hate lens flares? Blame the director of photography.
2012-09-08 07:11:20 PM
1 votes:

MeinRS6: Next subby will complain that Ron Moore ruined the BSG franchise with bad editing.


What ruined the new BSG was the lack of an idea how to end it.
2012-09-08 07:04:40 PM
1 votes:
could just be a working title
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2012-09-08 06:46:40 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: Bhruic: My perception of the previous movie is that it was a good movie, but bad Star Trek. There have been plenty of bad movies, and some of those have also been bad Star Trek, so yeah, this was a step up. But the amount of shoehorning they had to pull of to try and get all of the original characters back together on the Enterprise under the new universe scenario was just completely unbelievable (yes, it often happens that a cadet on academic probation gets promoted directly to starship captain). If you're going in just looking to be entertained, the movie works (although even then the Romulan side of the plotline was pretty weak), but if you're going in expecting decent Star Trek, well, not so much.

He was actually promoted to first officer, then exiled, then captain (but again, still acting captain), then captain.

//still unheard of, but details matter


He got promoted to acting first officer, then acting captain. Stupid, but under battle conditions, I suppose theoretically possible. What I was talking about is the permanent promotion he received at the end of the movie. Sure, he's the "hero", but that gets him reinstated as a cadet, or potentially graduates him ahead of time, it doesn't make him graduate immediately into a captain's position.
2012-09-08 06:40:06 PM
1 votes:
It was better than The Final Frontier, Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, 95% of Voyager, and about 90% of Enterprise.

The only thing I enjoyed since First Contact was some of the Mirror Universe Enterprise episodes, and those are hilariously hammy fan-service episodes that are nearly impossible to fark up.

/Liked the idea of the Temporal Cold War, not so much on the execution.
2012-09-08 05:51:31 PM
1 votes:

Bhruic: My perception of the previous movie is that it was a good movie, but bad Star Trek. There have been plenty of bad movies, and some of those have also been bad Star Trek, so yeah, this was a step up. But the amount of shoehorning they had to pull of to try and get all of the original characters back together on the Enterprise under the new universe scenario was just completely unbelievable (yes, it often happens that a cadet on academic probation gets promoted directly to starship captain). If you're going in just looking to be entertained, the movie works (although even then the Romulan side of the plotline was pretty weak), but if you're going in expecting decent Star Trek, well, not so much.


He was actually promoted to first officer, then exiled, then captain (but again, still acting captain), then captain.

//still unheard of, but details matter
2012-09-08 05:48:07 PM
1 votes:
None of the films hold up that well compared to the better TNG episodes.

That said, I can't imagine something like "The Inner Light" translating well to film.
2012-09-08 05:48:06 PM
1 votes:

awfulperson: As a long-time Star Trek fan, I can say with certainly that I thought the last movie was a steaming pile of targ poop. And I was honestly expecting to enjoy it--this is not "they're changing the thing I like and it's gonna suck grumblegrumblegrumble" whining--I really felt the franchise needed a reboot. But not this one.

I don't want a Trek universe without Vulcan. And you can take tongue-in-cheek WAY too far, which they did; as much as I love Joss Whedon, I don't love Whedon-esque dialogue and characters in my Trek.

Finally, the set looked like the set of the Lost in Space reboot--all shiny and round and silly.


Vulcan's still around in the Prime universe. That's the beauty of alternate timelines/multiverses, veerything you obsess over in one of them is still aorund.

/"I hate this version because the frog is a bullfrog when in the original it was clearly a tree frog!"
//NNNEEEEEERRRRRRRRD
2012-09-08 05:41:57 PM
1 votes:
As opposed to the Picard and Data fanfictions called "Generations", "Insurrection", and "Nemesis"?

Sorry, fellow Trekkies, the franchise had hit a rut and wasn't going anywhere. Voyager, Enterprise, and those three TNG films were stale and boring. Star Trek needed an injection of something fresh and new. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted or what you think ST should always be.

/also still better than Star Trek V and The Motionless Picture
2012-09-08 05:36:09 PM
1 votes:
Eh, it's high budget fanfic. There's tons of low budget fanfic that is muuuuuch better than Captain Lensflare. Of Gods and Men, for instance. If you're going to spend millions of dollars to make a theater quality Star Trek, make sure the writing is tight and if you're using source material that your usage is correct.
2012-09-08 05:33:53 PM
1 votes:
1. Take a bunch of actors and dress them in those laughably silly Star Trek uniforms.
2. Write a stupid plot.
3. ???
4. Profit!
2012-09-08 03:54:41 PM
1 votes:
The new Star Trek was better than any Star Trek movie since First Contact.

Although I enjoyed it, I felt that there was one major flaw. The young man that they had playing Sulu was obviously heterosexual. I think that since Georgi Takei came out before this movie did, they should have payed him respect by casting a homosexual Asian American actor to portray Mr. Sulu.

The fact that Sulu was played by a homosexual actor in the original television series is a great testament to how accepting the future will be. I'm sure that many homosexual children that wanted to be astronauts found him to be a great role model. They let him pilot the Federation's flagship, even though he probably slept with the younger, more impressionable male crewmen and more than likely had some sort of space AIDS.

He overcame adversity and that is what made him a great crew member, if not the greatest, that served on the Enterprise. I think Mr. Abrams needs to take a good, hard look at the character of Sulu before the second movie comes out and he betrays even more fans.
2012-09-08 03:38:32 PM
1 votes:
I've said it before, I'll say it again:

There are a lot of Trekkies who decided to hate Abrams' Trek as soon as it was announced. They were calling it Trek Babies and stuff. They were so emotionally invested in hating the new movie that they refused to allow themselves to enjoy it, and now they've become so determined to hate it that they refuse to admit that just maybe they're being sort of retarded fanboys.

New Trek is better than most all of "old Trek." Doesn't make me a new fan, makes me not an insane one.
2012-09-08 03:22:36 PM
1 votes:
Whether you approve of Abrams Trek or not, "Into Darkness" is a pretty shiatty, generic subtitle.

/so were Nemesis and Insurrection. They lost their mojo in naming the films after Undiscovered Country.
//Also, it looks like you NuTrek fans are getting to be as rabid a bunch as the old Trekkies.
2012-09-08 02:30:52 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: I liked the last new Star Trek film, so I'm pretty sure I'll like this one.

/You can keep crying about the franchise or whatever.


As a long-time Star Trek fan, I can tell you that I really liked the Abrams movie. It was MUCH better than I was expecting.
 
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