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(SlashFilm)   The new Star Trek film will be subtitled "Into Darkness", which is just where the franchise has been since JJ "Lens Flare" Abrams took over   (slashfilm.com) divider line 306
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2012-09-08 08:45:43 PM

DamnYankees: When was this Orwellian decision made that somehow the last ST movie hurt the franchise's popularity and future? I realize some people didn't like it, but it was undeniably successful.


I'm too lazy to look it up, but I could've sworn Fark was all over the previous Star Trek movie when it came out. Fark does stupid shiat like that a lot. I also recall this site being all over the Spider-Man movies until the 3rd film came out.
 
2012-09-08 08:50:45 PM
As long as there is a superfluous ice monster scene, I'm in!
 
2012-09-08 09:04:56 PM

Relatively Obscure: The new Star Trek was fine. A significant number of the previous movies were far, far worse. I'm looking at you especially, Nemesis and Insurrection.


Really? Your gonna call out Insurrection before undiscovered Country?
 
2012-09-08 09:06:38 PM

isabps: Relatively Obscure: The new Star Trek was fine. A significant number of the previous movies were far, far worse. I'm looking at you especially, Nemesis and Insurrection.

Really? Your gonna call out Insurrection before undiscovered Country?


Yes, because of SANITY.
 
2012-09-08 09:11:46 PM

isabps: Relatively Obscure: The new Star Trek was fine. A significant number of the previous movies were far, far worse. I'm looking at you especially, Nemesis and Insurrection.

Really? Your gonna call out Insurrection before undiscovered Country?


2/10 just for sheer bravery
 
2012-09-08 09:16:32 PM
I was just wondering if the fact that JJ's Enterprise is twice the size of the orriginal Enterprise, if JJ is compensating for something?
 
2012-09-08 09:17:21 PM

KingoftheCheese: The new Star Trek was better than any Star Trek movie since First Contact.

Although I enjoyed it, I felt that there was one major flaw. The young man that they had playing Sulu was obviously heterosexual. I think that since Georgi Takei came out before this movie did, they should have payed him respect by casting a homosexual Asian American actor to portray Mr. Sulu.

The fact that Sulu was played by a homosexual actor in the original television series is a great testament to how accepting the future will be. I'm sure that many homosexual children that wanted to be astronauts found him to be a great role model. They let him pilot the Federation's flagship, even though he probably slept with the younger, more impressionable male crewmen and more than likely had some sort of space AIDS.

He overcame adversity and that is what made him a great crew member, if not the greatest, that served on the Enterprise. I think Mr. Abrams needs to take a good, hard look at the character of Sulu before the second movie comes out and he betrays even more fans.


Assuming you're actually being serious:

1. Sulu the character was straight.

2. If you're actually worried about this, well, in NuTrek, may I remind you that the actor playing Spock is gay.
 
2012-09-08 09:18:24 PM
Where is Mud?
Whar Mud?
Want See Mud.
 
2012-09-08 09:18:30 PM

ModernLuddite: Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.


Have they announced who he's playing yet? Last I heard he was going to be Gary Mitchell, but I'm guessing that's not happening.
 
2012-09-08 09:20:03 PM
Brick-House
Whatever you think of JJ's Star Trek, this belongs here.


I prefer the version with added shakycam: 
www.clusterfake.net
 
2012-09-08 09:20:28 PM
2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.
 
2012-09-08 09:22:33 PM

The Voice of Doom: Brick-House
Whatever you think of JJ's Star Trek, this belongs here.

I prefer the version with added shakycam: 
[www.clusterfake.net image 370x185]


Fuk, that just hurts the eyes...
 
2012-09-08 09:26:16 PM

Brubold: 2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.


I think I can agree with that.

/although I might honestly put 4 above 6, despite the fact that it was an unapologetic comedy instead of a regular Star Trek film.
 
2012-09-08 09:27:28 PM

Brick-House: The Voice of Doom: Brick-House
Whatever you think of JJ's Star Trek, this belongs here.

I prefer the version with added shakycam: 
[www.clusterfake.net image 370x185]

Fuk, that just hurts the eyes...


Yeah, I had to scroll it out of view to type my last post. That was just dickish.
 
2012-09-08 09:31:34 PM

Erix: Brubold: 2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.

I think I can agree with that.

/although I might honestly put 4 above 6, despite the fact that it was an unapologetic comedy instead of a regular Star Trek film.


Search for Spock was good and First Contact sucked.
 
2012-09-08 09:33:32 PM

Mugato: Erix: Brubold: 2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.

I think I can agree with that.

/although I might honestly put 4 above 6, despite the fact that it was an unapologetic comedy instead of a regular Star Trek film.

Search for Spock was good and First Contact sucked.


Yeah I hate the odd number OS movies so much that I forgot to even put them on my list. So I have to disagree about Search for Spock. That was a terrible sequel to the best movie in the franchise IMO.
 
2012-09-08 09:36:02 PM

MeinRS6: Next subby will complain that Ron Moore ruined the BSG franchise with bad editing ending.



FTFY
 
2012-09-08 09:37:17 PM

Mugato: Erix: Brubold: 2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.

I think I can agree with that.

/although I might honestly put 4 above 6, despite the fact that it was an unapologetic comedy instead of a regular Star Trek film.

Search for Spock was good and First Contact sucked.


Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.
 
2012-09-08 09:38:40 PM
www.clusterfake.netwww.clusterfake.netwww.clusterfake.netwww.clusterfake.netwww.clusterfake.netwww.clusterfake.net

/knows how to kill a ST thread :)
 
2012-09-08 09:39:04 PM

Brubold: Mugato: Erix: Brubold: 2, 6, 4, Reboot, First Contact, and then lump the rest of the NG movies into one pile of ass. Honestly the reboot would probably beat out 4 and 6 if it wasn't for the nostalgia factor with the original cast members.

I think I can agree with that.

/although I might honestly put 4 above 6, despite the fact that it was an unapologetic comedy instead of a regular Star Trek film.

Search for Spock was good and First Contact sucked.

Yeah I hate the odd number OS movies so much that I forgot to even put them on my list. So I have to disagree about Search for Spock. That was a terrible sequel to the best movie in the franchise IMO.


That's ok, most of them don't deserve to be on the list at all.

But I honestly don't hate ST:1 nearly as much as everyone else seems to. It had an epic feel to it that was largely missing from most of the later movies. And the bald chick was hot.
 
2012-09-08 09:41:37 PM

KingoftheCheese: Brace yourself for this one: it was all fake.


Man, you've been on a roll today. Second thread I've seen you in and both had me laughing. Loved the Dax stuff.
 
2012-09-08 09:41:50 PM

Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.


First Contact was the only decent TNG movie.

/which says a lot about TNG
 
2012-09-08 09:43:13 PM

Misconduc: [www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185]

/knows how to kill a ST thread :)


misKHAAAAAAAAAANNNduc!
 
2012-09-08 10:02:55 PM

fusillade762: I'll just leave this here.

Rotten Tomato rankings:

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%


Why can't they all be as good as The City of the Edge of Forever...
 
2012-09-08 10:05:24 PM

isabps: Relatively Obscure: The new Star Trek was fine. A significant number of the previous movies were far, far worse. I'm looking at you especially, Nemesis and Insurrection.

Really? Your gonna call out Insurrection before undiscovered Country?


Um. Yes. Waaaaaay before.
 
2012-09-08 10:07:45 PM

Brubold: So I have to disagree about Search for Spock. That was a terrible sequel to the best movie in the franchise IMO.


Search for Spock had the first of the badass Klingons, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, Kirk stole the Enterprise, Kirk destroyed the Enterprise, Kirk's pussy son got killed...Trek 3 had a lot going for it.


Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.


Not really. In the last episode with the Borg, Picard befriended a Borg drone and turned him back into the collective, ignoring the opportunity to plant a virus that could have destroyed them. He should have been court martial-ed for that shiat.
 
2012-09-08 10:09:22 PM

Mugato: Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.

Not really. In the last episode with the Borg, Picard befriended a Borg drone and turned him back into the collective, ignoring the opportunity to plant a virus that could have destroyed them. He should have been court martial-ed for that shiat.




First Contact was like.. Die Hard Picard.
 
2012-09-08 10:17:57 PM

Shostie: ModernLuddite: Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.

Have they announced who he's playing yet? Last I heard he was going to be Gary Mitchell, but I'm guessing that's not happening.


Hard to say if that was tactical trolling on Karl Urban's part or not. No it hasn't been announced. It's still a year to the movie but it's quite impressive someone hasn't leaked that details. It's what everyone wants to know. At least for now the breast-beating about white-washing Khan has simmered down.

Do you know who probably does know? Stephen farking Hawking. Because according to Dara O'Briain Benedict Cumberbatch told him top secret Start Trek stuff whilst hanging out enjoying margaritas with him this weekend.

/Wish my life was that cool
//Benedict Cumberbatch is a sexy biatch
 
2012-09-08 10:25:06 PM
It's not a subtitle. The title is "Star Trek Into Darkness". You know, like it's some kind of star trek into darkness.
 
2012-09-08 10:30:19 PM

Mugato: Brubold: So I have to disagree about Search for Spock. That was a terrible sequel to the best movie in the franchise IMO.

Search for Spock had the first of the badass Klingons, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, Kirk stole the Enterprise, Kirk destroyed the Enterprise, Kirk's pussy son got killed...Trek 3 had a lot going for it.


Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.

Not really. In the last episode with the Borg, Picard befriended a Borg drone and turned him back into the collective, ignoring the opportunity to plant a virus that could have destroyed them. He should have been court martial-ed for that shiat.


I said they acknowledged the continuity, not that they didn't fark it up. This is Star Trek; I don't really expect a huge respect for it.
 
2012-09-08 10:31:07 PM

Mugato: Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen. At least they actually acknowledged the continuity of the show by having Picard act upon his prior experience with the borg.

Not really. In the last episode with the Borg, Picard befriended a Borg drone and turned him back into the collective, ignoring the opportunity to plant a virus that could have destroyed them. He should have been court martial-ed for that shiat.


He would have, but he didn't have Jeff Goldblum's Mac Powerbook...
 
2012-09-08 10:32:27 PM

if_i_really_have_to: Shostie: ModernLuddite: Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.

Have they announced who he's playing yet? Last I heard he was going to be Gary Mitchell, but I'm guessing that's not happening.

Hard to say if that was tactical trolling on Karl Urban's part or not. No it hasn't been announced. It's still a year to the movie but it's quite impressive someone hasn't leaked that details. It's what everyone wants to know. At least for now the breast-beating about white-washing Khan has simmered down.

Do you know who probably does know? Stephen farking Hawking. Because according to Dara O'Briain Benedict Cumberbatch told him top secret Start Trek stuff whilst hanging out enjoying margaritas with him this weekend.

/Wish my life was that cool
//Benedict Cumberbatch is a sexy biatch


I want Benedict Cumberbatch's life.
 
2012-09-08 10:39:03 PM
What the main villain, The Darkness, might look like:
slafmma.com
 
2012-09-08 11:14:30 PM
Really wish they would do a TV series with it. It's not like the actors are busy
 
2012-09-08 11:25:00 PM

Misconduc: [www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185][www.clusterfake.net image 370x185]

/knows how to kill a ST thread :)


You must be a red shirt, because I am pretty sure there are folks who want you dead right now.
 
2012-09-08 11:44:09 PM

Erix: Sure, Search for Spock was ok, but First Contact was fine if you took out the borg queen revisionist fanboys who suddenly don't like First Contact based upon Red Letter Media reviews.


Fixed.
 
2012-09-08 11:53:52 PM
Worst title since "Attack of the Clones".
 
2012-09-08 11:58:35 PM
Just wanted to note that this shirt showed up in my mailbox today.
 
2012-09-09 12:11:43 AM

fusillade762: I'll just leave this here.

Rotten Tomato rankings:

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%


You know you could be spending your time inflating your girlfriend to the correct psi.
 
2012-09-09 12:12:28 AM
Don't mind the lens flare or the shakycam. Those are just gimmicks. The movie itself was pretty well done. I'm actually bummed out that Nimoy is not going to be in the second one, because I felt he added a certain weight to the first that makes the movie feel distinguished, kind of the balance to all the chaos
 
2012-09-09 12:18:51 AM
Here's my beef with Star Trek (2009): it wasn't Star Trek, but just an action/adventure movie.

Star Trek is message heavy, using the lens of science fiction to usually examine a contemporary social issue or they are a morality plays. I think that's why a lot of people don't like it -- it can be preachy -- but I think most trekkies would agree that the best Star Trek episodes and movies fit into these two categories.

The other major characteristic of Star Trek is that it tries to be an accurate depiction of the future, that there is an explanation for how everything works that's grounded in some sort of real science -- it's why the shows always had science advisors on staff. Magical red matter is not Star Trek.

An unrelated objection I had with the movie is that there were too many winks and nods to the trek fans as a way for the filmmakers to insist that they had seen all of the previous Star Trek movies. For example, we didn't need a rehash of the Kobayashi Maru. Nor did we need the transparent aluminum formula gag from Trek 4 redone.

And lastly, I think all trekkies would agree that time travel has become way too overdone with Star Trek, and that's the premises of this movie.
 
jvl
2012-09-09 12:26:00 AM

MeinRS6: Lens flare or not, that last movie was pretty entertaining.

I'd put it up against most of the original cast movies and all of the TNG movies.


And that ladies and gentlemen, is how you troll the start of the thread.

/ Improbable coincidences, gaping plot holes, convenient plot devices, casual genocide, and lens flare
 
2012-09-09 12:26:23 AM

DamnYankees: When was this Orwellian decision made that somehow the last ST movie hurt the franchise's popularity and future? I realize some people didn't like it, but it was undeniably successful.


You run the risk that if you don't maintain the fan base, all you are left with is: "big budget action film: In Space"

A deteriorating fan base means harder times getting new films produced, which means fewer fans, which means...
 
2012-09-09 12:30:13 AM

Shostie: Relatively Obscure: Oh, and V.

And The Motion Picture.


The Motion Picture's problems stemmed from the story line being less Star Trek like and the fact that they rushed post production (can't remember why and I'm too lazy to google it). Really though it wasn't a bad movie. I rather enjoyed it.
 
2012-09-09 12:34:45 AM

Erix: I'm extremely grateful to Roddenberry for creating Star Trek and making it successful, but it doesn't need to be held hostage to his memory forever. It's awesome and fun, but not sacred. It needs to change to survive. DS9 was viewed as rather sacrilegious, but is one of the best iterations of the universe.


If you really think about DS9, it's not so much sacrilegious, but more of a reaction to the flaws with TNG (and I say that as someone who loved TNG), specifically: 1) technology often being the solution -- on DS9 a running theme was that nothing on the space station ever worked; 2) the crew all being incredibly congenial -- for the first few seasons of DS9 you had the tension between the Starfleet and Bajoran crews; and 3) whatever happen on one episode had no effect on subsequent episodes -- DS9 was heavily serialized and constantly evolving.

That being said, the show was still classic Roddenberry, using the lens of science fiction to examine contemporary issues or examine issues of morality. Probably the most popular episode of the series, "In the Pale Moonlight," is a typical Star Trek morality play. And other favorites are also right out of the Roddenberry playbook, such as "Far Beyond the Stars" and "The Visitor."
 
2012-09-09 12:35:01 AM

jvl: MeinRS6: Lens flare or not, that last movie was pretty entertaining.

I'd put it up against most of the original cast movies and all of the TNG movies.

And that ladies and gentlemen, is how you troll the start of the thread.

/ Improbable coincidences, gaping plot holes, convenient plot devices, casual genocide, and lens flare


Well, outside of Scotty winding up in what, the sewer system, and the inability of 23rd century science to heal Pike, whatever the heck was done to him, it was an OK Galaxy Quest remake.
 
2012-09-09 12:36:58 AM

thornhill: The other major characteristic of Star Trek is that it tries to be an accurate depiction of the future, that there is an explanation for how everything works that's grounded in some sort of real science -- it's why the shows always had science advisors on staff. Magical red matter is not Star Trek.


I agree with your other characteristic, but not this. Star Trek has always been really, really bad at science. It's full of psychic powers, gods, misunderstandings of basic scientific tenets and nonsensical technobabble. Voyager on its own did more to set back public understanding of evolution than the Creation museum.
 
2012-09-09 12:38:40 AM
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2012-09-09 12:42:21 AM

Gunther: thornhill: The other major characteristic of Star Trek is that it tries to be an accurate depiction of the future, that there is an explanation for how everything works that's grounded in some sort of real science -- it's why the shows always had science advisors on staff. Magical red matter is not Star Trek.

I agree with your other characteristic, but not this. Star Trek has always been really, really bad at science. It's full of psychic powers, gods, misunderstandings of basic scientific tenets and nonsensical technobabble. Voyager on its own did more to set back public understanding of evolution than the Creation museum.


Yeah, that one Voyager episode about Janeway and Chachotay evolving into things before they ever reached the planet turned me off to the whole series.
 
2012-09-09 12:44:06 AM

cfreak: Shostie: Relatively Obscure: Oh, and V.

And The Motion Picture.

The Motion Picture's problems stemmed from the story line being less Star Trek like and the fact that they rushed post production (can't remember why and I'm too lazy to google it). Really though it wasn't a bad movie. I rather enjoyed it.


The fundamental problem with The Motion Picture is that it's all plot. It's not about any of the characters -- Decker gets more character development than Kirk! . It's just about a giant cloud destructive cloud headed to earth.

Trek II is so good and loved because it's a serious examination of Kirk and advances his character. Similarly, First Contact is the best TNG movie because it does the same thing with Picard.
 
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