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(SlashFilm)   The new Star Trek film will be subtitled "Into Darkness", which is just where the franchise has been since JJ "Lens Flare" Abrams took over   (slashfilm.com ) divider line
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2012-09-08 05:50:23 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: KingoftheCheese: SilentStrider: KingoftheCheese: SilentStrider: KingoftheCheese: He overcame adversity and that is what made him a great crew member, if not the greatest, that served on the Enterprise. I think Mr. Abrams needs to take a good, hard look at the character of Sulu before the second movie comes out and he betrays even more fans.

Please do Star Trek fans a favor, and stop trying to decide that we're supposed to feel betrayed by how a character is portrayed between incarnations. Thats for us to decide, not you.

SilentStrider: Nobody likes a whiner.

yes. Obviously my pointing out that how I feel about something is my decision and not yours makes me a whiner. How silly of me.
By the way, the huge gaping flaw in your argument?
Takei himself had absolutely zero problem with Cho as Sulu. If the man who originated the character wasn't making an issue, why in space would anyone else?

(citation)

Gene Roddenberry had a vision of the future and I don't think that messing with a character would make him proud to see where his vision had ended. It's almost just as bad as having his widow play the harlot Lwaxana Troi on TNG and DS9. She should have respected the memory of her late husband enough to demand that the character not be so sultry. It's just embarrassing to watch.

You sound like the Transformers GEEWUNers who constantly biatch and cry about how every series after G1 isn't exactly like G1.


When I was a kid, a transformer was something you plugged into a European outlet so you could use your standard electronics.

I've never seen a show about them. Although, there were the movies with the kid from Even Stevens and those were highly entertaining. I have them all on BluRay.
 
2012-09-08 05:51:31 PM  

Bhruic: My perception of the previous movie is that it was a good movie, but bad Star Trek. There have been plenty of bad movies, and some of those have also been bad Star Trek, so yeah, this was a step up. But the amount of shoehorning they had to pull of to try and get all of the original characters back together on the Enterprise under the new universe scenario was just completely unbelievable (yes, it often happens that a cadet on academic probation gets promoted directly to starship captain). If you're going in just looking to be entertained, the movie works (although even then the Romulan side of the plotline was pretty weak), but if you're going in expecting decent Star Trek, well, not so much.


He was actually promoted to first officer, then exiled, then captain (but again, still acting captain), then captain.

//still unheard of, but details matter
 
2012-09-08 05:52:00 PM  
Hey subby, pretending you didn't like the movie isn't going to convince the rest of us that you're the smartest guy in the room.
 
2012-09-08 05:54:41 PM  
Darkness?

So it stars charlie murphy?
 
2012-09-08 06:01:15 PM  
Whatever you think of JJ's Star Trek, this belongs here.

cdn.screenrant.com

And lets hope the Into Darkness title means there will be less Flair.

www.photoinduced.com

Aggrees...
 
2012-09-08 06:03:26 PM  

Confabulat: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Also, it looks like you NuTrek fans are getting to be as rabid a bunch as the old Trekkies.

What does it mean when I'm both?

Seriously. I've been a Star Trek fan since before anyone ever dreamed of a "Next Generation" (always poser Trek to me) and now I'm a "nuTrek" fan?

Yeah right. Abrams' Trek is far more close to the spirit of REAL Trek than Berman & Braga ever sniffed.


Had some minor nits with the nuTrek, but pretty much THIS.
 
2012-09-08 06:04:40 PM  

KingoftheCheese: As the years went on, the character became sluttier and sluttier. I have seen every episode of Deep Space Nine, except the ones where that character appeared. I tried to watch one and I was physically sickened by the way she carried herself. I cringe when I even hear her voice as the computer.


notsureifserious.jpg

I loved that old slutbag. Cougar with a heart of gold, she was. The only episode I couldn't take was the one with little Aleksander and all the fake laughing. A-HA-ha-ha!
 
2012-09-08 06:04:51 PM  
Am I the only one who thoroughly enjoyed Voyager? This is Zoolander and The Village all over again.
 
2012-09-08 06:08:44 PM  
You know what's a stupid title "The Empire Strikes Back"

Say it out loud a few times. Stupid! Just as dumb as "Attack of the Clones"

So Star Trek 2 could be called "Star Trekkin' Through the Daisies" but it doesn't affect the quality of the movie!
 
2012-09-08 06:10:48 PM  

awfulperson: KingoftheCheese: As the years went on, the character became sluttier and sluttier. I have seen every episode of Deep Space Nine, except the ones where that character appeared. I tried to watch one and I was physically sickened by the way she carried herself. I cringe when I even hear her voice as the computer.

notsureifserious.jpg

I loved that old slutbag. Cougar with a heart of gold, she was. The only episode I couldn't take was the one with little Aleksander and all the fake laughing. A-HA-ha-ha!


I don't joke around about Star Trek. It played a major part in my development as a young teen. The first time I ever pleasured myself was to Jadzia Dax in that episode where she and Worf went to Risa and she wore that very sexy, yet conservative, one piece swimming suit. She was not only beautiful, but she was smart and modest. Star Trek needed more female characters like her.
 
2012-09-08 06:12:02 PM  

KingoftheCheese: It played a major part in my development as a young teen.


That's kind of sad.
 
2012-09-08 06:13:02 PM  

Hetfield: KingoftheCheese: It played a major part in my development as a young teen.

That's kind of sad.


As sad as enjoying Voyager thoroughly?
 
2012-09-08 06:13:30 PM  
Grew up on TOS and Next Generation, loved several of the movies, also loved the Star Trek reboot. Subby needs to pull the stick out methinks.
 
2012-09-08 06:14:43 PM  

awfulperson: KingoftheCheese: As the years went on, the character became sluttier and sluttier. I have seen every episode of Deep Space Nine, except the ones where that character appeared. I tried to watch one and I was physically sickened by the way she carried herself. I cringe when I even hear her voice as the computer.

notsureifserious.jpg

I loved that old slutbag. Cougar with a heart of gold, she was. The only episode I couldn't take was the one with little Aleksander and all the fake laughing. A-HA-ha-ha!


Good god, there are actually people that enjoyed that character?
 
2012-09-08 06:15:54 PM  

KingoftheCheese: Hetfield: KingoftheCheese: It played a major part in my development as a young teen.

That's kind of sad.

As sad as enjoying Voyager thoroughly?


He said sad, not sick.
 
2012-09-08 06:21:55 PM  

KingoftheCheese: Hetfield: KingoftheCheese: It played a major part in my development as a young teen.

That's kind of sad.

As sad as enjoying Voyager thoroughly?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-08 06:29:36 PM  

KingoftheCheese: Gene Roddenberry had a vision of the future and I don't think that messing with a character would make him proud to see where his vision had ended. It's almost just as bad as having his widow play the harlot Lwaxana Troi on TNG and DS9. She should have respected the memory of her late husband enough to demand that the character not be so sultry. It's just embarrassing to watch.


Embarrassing to you maybe. As I've previously stated, I make the decisions about what I do and do not enjoy. That's not and has never been anyone else's job.
 
2012-09-08 06:40:06 PM  
It was better than The Final Frontier, Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, 95% of Voyager, and about 90% of Enterprise.

The only thing I enjoyed since First Contact was some of the Mirror Universe Enterprise episodes, and those are hilariously hammy fan-service episodes that are nearly impossible to fark up.

/Liked the idea of the Temporal Cold War, not so much on the execution.
 
2012-09-08 06:46:40 PM  

coeyagi: Bhruic: My perception of the previous movie is that it was a good movie, but bad Star Trek. There have been plenty of bad movies, and some of those have also been bad Star Trek, so yeah, this was a step up. But the amount of shoehorning they had to pull of to try and get all of the original characters back together on the Enterprise under the new universe scenario was just completely unbelievable (yes, it often happens that a cadet on academic probation gets promoted directly to starship captain). If you're going in just looking to be entertained, the movie works (although even then the Romulan side of the plotline was pretty weak), but if you're going in expecting decent Star Trek, well, not so much.

He was actually promoted to first officer, then exiled, then captain (but again, still acting captain), then captain.

//still unheard of, but details matter


He got promoted to acting first officer, then acting captain. Stupid, but under battle conditions, I suppose theoretically possible. What I was talking about is the permanent promotion he received at the end of the movie. Sure, he's the "hero", but that gets him reinstated as a cadet, or potentially graduates him ahead of time, it doesn't make him graduate immediately into a captain's position.
 
2012-09-08 06:47:07 PM  
FTA
That awkward period when you know a film will have a sequel but you don't know it's name.

IS IT? IS IT REALLY AWKWARD? DOES IT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE AND FIDGETY WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF A MOVIE THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, YOU MEME-SPEWING DIMWITTED PLEONASTIC GARBAGE-SPEWING HEMHORROID ON THE HAIRY ASS OF SOCIETY?
 
2012-09-08 06:47:40 PM  
I'll just leave this here.

Rotten Tomato rankings:

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%
 
2012-09-08 06:47:47 PM  

I Like Bread: FTA
That awkward period when you know a film will have a sequel but you don't know it's name.

IS IT? IS IT REALLY AWKWARD? DOES IT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE AND FIDGETY WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF A MOVIE THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, YOU MEME-SPEWING DIMWITTED PLEONASTIC GARBAGE-SPEWING HEMHORROID ON THE HAIRY ASS OF SOCIETY?


Feel better?
 
2012-09-08 06:49:42 PM  

SilentStrider: KingoftheCheese: Gene Roddenberry had a vision of the future and I don't think that messing with a character would make him proud to see where his vision had ended. It's almost just as bad as having his widow play the harlot Lwaxana Troi on TNG and DS9. She should have respected the memory of her late husband enough to demand that the character not be so sultry. It's just embarrassing to watch.

Embarrassing to you maybe. As I've previously stated, I make the decisions about what I do and do not enjoy. That's not and has never been anyone else's job.


And that's the way it is. I enjoy all The Star Trek iterations, just not as much as B5 and BSG.
 
2012-09-08 06:50:30 PM  

I Like Bread: FTA
That awkward period when you know a film will have a sequel but you don't know it's name.

IS IT? IS IT REALLY AWKWARD? DOES IT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE AND FIDGETY WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF A MOVIE THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, YOU MEME-SPEWING DIMWITTED PLEONASTIC GARBAGE-SPEWING HEMHORROID ON THE HAIRY ASS OF SOCIETY?


Are...are you okay?
 
2012-09-08 06:52:29 PM  

coeyagi: MeinRS6: Lens flare or not, that last movie was pretty entertaining.

I'd put it up against most of the original cast movies and all of the TNG movies.

I like you when you stay on this tab and this tab only.


Actually, he's pretty nice when off the Politics tab.
 
2012-09-08 06:54:08 PM  

I Like Bread: FTA
That awkward period when you know a film will have a sequel but you don't know it's name.

IS IT? IS IT REALLY AWKWARD? DOES IT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE AND FIDGETY WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF A MOVIE THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, YOU MEME-SPEWING DIMWITTED PLEONASTIC GARBAGE-SPEWING HEMHORROID ON THE HAIRY ASS OF SOCIETY?


And here I thought I was the unstable one in the thread.
 
2012-09-08 07:04:40 PM  
could just be a working title
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-08 07:08:59 PM  
I swear if this movie sucks i'm killing a few red shirts.
 
2012-09-08 07:11:20 PM  

MeinRS6: Next subby will complain that Ron Moore ruined the BSG franchise with bad editing.


What ruined the new BSG was the lack of an idea how to end it.
 
2012-09-08 07:13:28 PM  
 
2012-09-08 07:34:23 PM  
I'm working on a JJ Abrahms TV project right now.

Hate lens flares? Blame the director of photography.
 
2012-09-08 07:35:27 PM  
Man, KotC. I kind of want to make out with you right now.
 
2012-09-08 07:43:17 PM  

Shostie: Man, KotC. I kind of want to make out with you right now.


I don't blame you.
 
2012-09-08 07:46:12 PM  

Bhruic: He got promoted to acting first officer, then acting captain. Stupid, but under battle conditions, I suppose theoretically possible. What I was talking about is the permanent promotion he received at the end of the movie. Sure, he's the "hero", but that gets him reinstated as a cadet, or potentially graduates him ahead of time, it doesn't make him graduate immediately into a captain's position.


Yeah, it would have been a much stronger scene if there'd been a short montage of him rising through the ranks in an exceptionally quick amount of time, rather than just "A day ago you were a cadet on the verge of expulsion, but you did OK in a crisis, so now we're making you captain of the Federation flagship!". I don't normally mind plotholes (the whole thing with him and spock coincidentally being marooned on the same planet within thirty seconds walk of each other didn't bother me), but the otherwise-decent film just ends on that pointless "WTF?" moment.
 
2012-09-08 07:46:25 PM  
FARK, I am disappoint. The entire thread and no Winter references?

/too obscure?
//deafening screams
///aaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
2012-09-08 07:48:31 PM  
If you can watch the kobayashi maru scene and say that this new movie was as good as, or even in the same spirit as the franchise, you are wrong. Assholes in space is about as far from star trek as you can get.

All the 'dense' screen filled images of prequel star wars and none of the heart of star trek.

Though I only hate it because it was successful.
 
2012-09-08 08:00:31 PM  

rorypk: If you can watch the kobayashi maru scene and say that this new movie was as good as, or even in the same spirit as the franchise, you are wrong. Assholes in space is about as far from star trek as you can get.

All the 'dense' screen filled images of prequel star wars and none of the heart of star trek.

Though I only hate it because it was successful.


I'm extremely grateful to Roddenberry for creating Star Trek and making it successful, but it doesn't need to be held hostage to his memory forever. It's awesome and fun, but not sacred. It needs to change to survive. DS9 was viewed as rather sacrilegious, but is one of the best iterations of the universe.
 
2012-09-08 08:01:45 PM  
King of the Cheeto Dust more like.

There are some things about people's private lives that mankind was not meant to know.
 
2012-09-08 08:12:41 PM  

Kittypie070: King of the Cheeto Dust more like.

There are some things about people's private lives that mankind was not meant to know.


:(

Brace yourself for this one: it was all fake.
 
2012-09-08 08:14:16 PM  

Erix: DS9 was viewed as rather sacrilegious, but is one of the best iterations of the universe


DS9 In the Pale Moonlight, Sisko does wrong, but feels conflicted about it. Shows character and conscience. If the nuKirk were in the same situation, he would've said f the romulans while cranking some sick tunes on his nokia.

You can change everything about Star Trek if the underlying message is about exploration and human growth. The new movie had no heart at all. If it's just jocks in space, what's the point?
 
2012-09-08 08:19:10 PM  

KingoftheCheese: The new Star Trek was better than any Star Trek movie since First Contact.

Although I enjoyed it, I felt that there was one major flaw. The young man that they had playing Sulu was obviously heterosexual. I think that since Georgi Takei came out before this movie did, they should have payed him respect by casting a homosexual Asian American actor to portray Mr. Sulu.

The fact that Sulu was played by a homosexual actor in the original television series is a great testament to how accepting the future will be. I'm sure that many homosexual children that wanted to be astronauts found him to be a great role model. They let him pilot the Federation's flagship, even though he probably slept with the younger, more impressionable male crewmen and more than likely had some sort of space AIDS.

He overcame adversity and that is what made him a great crew member, if not the greatest, that served on the Enterprise. I think Mr. Abrams needs to take a good, hard look at the character of Sulu before the second movie comes out and he betrays even more fans.


I think Demora would like a say.
 
2012-09-08 08:22:44 PM  

rorypk: Erix: DS9 was viewed as rather sacrilegious, but is one of the best iterations of the universe

DS9 In the Pale Moonlight, Sisko does wrong, but feels conflicted about it. Shows character and conscience. If the nuKirk were in the same situation, he would've said f the romulans while cranking some sick tunes on his nokia.

You can change everything about Star Trek if the underlying message is about exploration and human growth. The new movie had no heart at all. If it's just jocks in space, what's the point?


There were plenty of jocks in space episodes, and plenty of movies that don't really touch on exploration and human growth. How does ST:II tackle these subjects? I'm still going to say ST:2009 was good, since it was establishing a new cast and a new universe, and while it might not have been groundbreaking, it did these things well.
 
2012-09-08 08:25:28 PM  

GAT_00: I'm actually rewatching DS9 right now, so I'm getting a kick out of how I'm nuTrek, whatever the fark that means. Hell, you can't properly enjoy the new movie without knowing all the references.


i actually just got Mrs. Knarf to start DS9 a couple of weeks ago, i will freely admit that i guilted her into doing it and she has the whole "star trek ewwww" mentality.

But you know WHY she tried it, other than the fact that she adores me? she liked the new movie. suck on that haters!

/she's loving it BTW
//I win!
 
2012-09-08 08:27:17 PM  

Erix: How does ST:II tackle these subjects?


The entire movie was about personal growth, essentially the expansion of the human experience. There was a genesis device as the plot point. Kirk had to come to terms with death, the true final frontier. You'd need to experience to understand I guess.

Was the new Star Trek really establishing a new universe?
 
2012-09-08 08:29:44 PM  
Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.
 
2012-09-08 08:31:29 PM  

ModernLuddite: Does anyone else think Benjamin Cumberbatch looks like an alien?

Every picture of him seriously creeps me out.


Benedict?
 
2012-09-08 08:37:44 PM  

DBrandisNC: I'm working on a JJ Abrahms TV project right now.

Hate lens flares? Blame the director of photography.



Maybe true for "real" lens flare, not all of it that was added in post.
 
2012-09-08 08:38:28 PM  

SilentStrider: KingoftheCheese: Gene Roddenberry had a vision of the future and I don't think that messing with a character would make him proud to see where his vision had ended. It's almost just as bad as having his widow play the harlot Lwaxana Troi on TNG and DS9. She should have respected the memory of her late husband enough to demand that the character not be so sultry. It's just embarrassing to watch.

Embarrassing to you maybe. As I've previously stated, I make the decisions about what I do and do not enjoy. That's not and has never been anyone else's job.


You're an idiot. This guy has been trolling you for hours.

It's like when I sit down with my friends who are massive Star Wars fans and defend the character of Jar-Jar Binks. Think about it.
 
2012-09-08 08:39:37 PM  

KingoftheCheese: Kittypie070: King of the Cheeto Dust more like.

There are some things about people's private lives that mankind was not meant to know.

:(

Brace yourself for this one: it was all fake.


i'm ashamed to say i realized this little nugget of truth only halfway into your posts, still laughed my ass off.
+1 Internets to you for your excellent execution!
 
2012-09-08 08:41:26 PM  
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