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2012-09-08 10:25:19 AM  
If I could transfer a chunk of our "defense" budget to our schools, every child in America would be able to choose from 6 or more foreign languages to study. The specific languages would very according to the population in the local area and local interests. Language classes would rarely exceed 10 students.

International field trips would be funded so that they would not be the exclusive province of the wealthier students. It drove me nuts when I was young, to see the "A" student from French class wandering town trying to get a part-time job at the Dairy Queen while a "B/C" student was on a school sponsored trip to France funded by Daddy.

In this region, my choice for languages offered would be Amharic, French, German, Korean, Mandarin, Spanish, and Vietnamese. Ideally, virtually every child would demonstrate some fluency in a second language before graduating high school with parents of children with certain medical conditions allowed to opt their children out of that requirement.
 
2012-09-08 10:27:32 AM  
y'arr
 
2012-09-08 10:28:35 AM  
"你们。"
 
2012-09-08 10:36:22 AM  
Fringe benefit: less kids getting stupid Asian character tattoos they don't know say "Super happy gay white bear" or some such gibberish.
 
2012-09-08 12:13:28 PM  
I've got a few people I could ask.
 
2012-09-08 12:32:28 PM  

RexTalionis: "你们。"


That.
 
Pud
2012-09-08 12:45:46 PM  

Lunaville: If I could transfer a chunk of our "defense" budget to our schools, every child in America would be able to choose from 6 or more foreign languages to study. The specific languages would very according to the population in the local area and local interests. Language classes would rarely exceed 10 students.

International field trips would be funded so that they would not be the exclusive province of the wealthier students. It drove me nuts when I was young, to see the "A" student from French class wandering town trying to get a part-time job at the Dairy Queen while a "B/C" student was on a school sponsored trip to France funded by Daddy.

In this region, my choice for languages offered would be Amharic, French, German, Korean, Mandarin, Spanish, and Vietnamese. Ideally, virtually every child would demonstrate some fluency in a second language before graduating high school with parents of children with certain medical conditions allowed to opt their children out of that requirement.


When I was in high school we had 5 or 6 languages to choose from. And that was at the peak if the Vietnam war, so I suspect the % of the overall budget was up there (not to today's levels of course). So I don't see why school budgets can't cut down on some of the administrative crap and apply it to the practical side of teaching.

/Took 3 years of Latin.
//Wonder how many kids today would think that means Spanish
 
2012-09-08 12:46:17 PM  
i.qkme.me

Stay in school. Me love you long time division.
 
2012-09-08 12:52:23 PM  

Lunaville: If I could transfer a chunk of our "defense" budget to our schools, every child in America would be able to choose from 6 or more foreign languages to study. The specific languages would very according to the population in the local area and local interests. Language classes would rarely exceed 10 students.

International field trips would be funded so that they would not be the exclusive province of the wealthier students.


You've got my vote.
 
2012-09-08 01:01:10 PM  

FloydA: Lunaville: If I could transfer a chunk of our "defense" budget to our schools, every child in America would be able to choose from 6 or more foreign languages to study. The specific languages would very according to the population in the local area and local interests. Language classes would rarely exceed 10 students.

International field trips would be funded so that they would not be the exclusive province of the wealthier students.

You've got my vote.


Same here. I just read an article about a charity that collects money for schools here in Arizona so they can get instruments in the hands of kids who want to learn to play them. Budgets were cut to the bone, and no one wants to restore the cuts. Then my daughter tells me that they have 1 teacher teaching an AP and Honors French class at the same time in 2 different classrooms. My mind boggled at this. My other daughter was doing well in Japanese when they cut the classes completely. The kids circulated petitions to restore it, but there was no budget.

It is sad. And yet I have seen a lot of pro-GOP signs in front yards. *sigh*
 
2012-09-08 01:09:52 PM  

Nadie_AZ:
Same here. I just read an article about a charity that collects money for schools here in Arizona so they can get instruments in the hands of kids who want to learn to play them.


You have a link for that?
 
2012-09-08 01:14:28 PM  

FloydA: Nadie_AZ:
Same here. I just read an article about a charity that collects money for schools here in Arizona so they can get instruments in the hands of kids who want to learn to play them.

You have a link for that?


Here you go.

I will donate later this month when I can.
 
2012-09-08 01:28:51 PM  
Why would we care about saying Y'all in Boba Fetts language?
 
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2012-09-08 01:29:51 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fringe benefit: less kids getting stupid Asian character tattoos


Fewer kids.

Screw Mandarin, teach English.
 
2012-09-08 01:50:38 PM  

RexTalionis: "你们。"


Pronounced "NEE mun"
 
2012-09-08 01:52:12 PM  
I thought the United States was English only?

The Republicans and tea party went after Mexicans.

Now let's see them go after the Chinese.
 
2012-09-08 01:57:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FloydA: Nadie_AZ:
Same here. I just read an article about a charity that collects money for schools here in Arizona so they can get instruments in the hands of kids who want to learn to play them.

You have a link for that?

Here you go.

I will donate later this month when I can.


They just got another 100 bucks. Thanks.
 
2012-09-08 02:52:38 PM  
你所有。

That's what Google says (Chinese Traditional). No Mandarin option.
 
2012-09-08 02:54:33 PM  

Pud: When I was in high school we had 5 or 6 languages to choose from. And that was at the peak if the Vietnam war, so I suspect the % of the overall budget was up there (not to today's levels of course). So I don't see why school budgets can't cut down on some of the administrative crap and apply it to the practical side of teaching.


Needs to start a hell of a lot earlier than high school. At least 1st grade, probably even preschool. The little ones are so much more receptive to learning language than the older ones.
 
2012-09-08 02:54:45 PM  
And for fun:

我不知道為什麼會有人想要說"你們"的普通話,無論如何,當"大家"更有道理。此外,你的人要的狗。
 
2012-09-08 02:56:42 PM  

RexTalionis: "你们。"


他说的
 
2012-09-08 02:56:47 PM  
I am amused at the Portugese-speaking family from Brazil that wants Spanish to be an option. No grade-padding there, I'm sure....
 
2012-09-08 02:58:21 PM  

Lunaville: International field trips would be funded so that they would not be the exclusive province of the wealthier students. It drove me nuts when I was young, to see the "A" student from French class wandering town trying to get a part-time job at the Dairy Queen while a "B/C" student was on a school sponsored trip to France funded by Daddy.


I like you idea, but semester abroad funding would be much, much better than field trip abroad funding.

Fleeting familiarity tends to breed contempt. It's only after you live somewhere a decent while that you start to understand it better.
 
2012-09-08 02:59:50 PM  
How about we teach them computer languages instead.
 
2012-09-08 03:00:08 PM  
Can I please get a phonetic version?

/divvun knae tha chingchong
 
2012-09-08 03:00:30 PM  
Y'all, the question was "how do you SAY", not "how do you WRITE".
 
2012-09-08 03:01:42 PM  
I have never studied chinese but at least I know enough that the written language does not indicate a pronunciation. Speakers of different dialects who cannot understand each other can write to one another.
 
2012-09-08 03:01:46 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: How about we teach them computer languages instead.


Do you find it easier to relate to computer than to other people?
 
2012-09-08 03:02:53 PM  
Dutch kids start learning english at age 6. Never met a dutch person who spoke less than damn near flawless english.

/Swedes are the same.
// and they are probably better about capitalization then I am.
 
2012-09-08 03:04:15 PM  

OriginalGamer: 你所有。

That's what Google says (Chinese Traditional). No Mandarin option.


That's a hilariously terrible translation, literally translating "you" and "all".
 
2012-09-08 03:05:55 PM  
Wow. This is incredibly sensible. Is the article correct that this is Georgia?
 
2012-09-08 03:07:40 PM  

MinkeyMan: Dutch kids start learning english at age 6. Never met a dutch person who spoke less than damn near flawless english.


My high school history teacher (who was from the Netherlands) attributed the average superiority of Dutch English competency compared to other Europeans to the lack of dubbing done to American movies on Dutch TV.

I guess the similarities in language don't hurt either.
 
2012-09-08 03:08:03 PM  

MinkeyMan: Dutch kids start learning english at age 6. Never met a dutch person who spoke less than damn near flawless english.

/Swedes are the same.
// and they are probably better about capitalization then I am.


If you can speak and read in English, you can understand 70% of Dutch within a week just from casual exposure in Amsterdam. Turns out that when your language isn't one of the big ones, you learn a big one that is near you in order to participate in the regional economy. Bonus points if it's in the same linguistic group.
 
2012-09-08 03:08:24 PM  

OriginalGamer: That's what Google says (Chinese Traditional). No Mandarin option.


Google's Chinese option is Mandarin. It'd be great if they had a Cantonese option too.
 
2012-09-08 03:09:29 PM  

jonathan_L: OriginalGamer: That's what Google says (Chinese Traditional). No Mandarin option.

Google's Chinese option is Mandarin. It'd be great if they had a Cantonese option too.


The written language is 99% identical between those two languages. The different is spoken, so it wouldn't show up in google translate.
 
2012-09-08 03:10:15 PM  

OriginalGamer: 你所有。

That's what Google says (Chinese Traditional). No Mandarin option.


The written languages of the various Chinese dialects are the same. The dialect differences are more in word choice and pronunciation. In types of written Chinese, you have Traditional and Simplified. Traditional is just as it says, the standardized written Chinese going back a couple thousand years or so. Simplified is a modern creation that tries to make the language easier to write, and easier to read (especially in the small print of a computer screen).
 
2012-09-08 03:15:18 PM  
I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
 
2012-09-08 03:17:46 PM  

aerojockey: I am amused at the Portugese-speaking family from Brazil that wants Spanish to be an option. No grade-padding there, I'm sure....


THIS
 
2012-09-08 03:19:08 PM  
This is BS. They said that in the '80s about Japanese. Then the Japanese economy imploded.

The Chinese economy is about to burst too. The construction boom has left empty buildings that are uninhabitable, built simple to expend capital and employ people. There's no demand for shoddily constructed buildings.

It's going to get ugly when the bubble bursts.
 
2012-09-08 03:24:44 PM  
What we have here little yellow sister is a prime specimen of Alabama blacksnake. And it ain't too damn beaucoup.

/didIdothatright?
 
2012-09-08 03:26:13 PM  

NINDroog: Wow. This is incredibly sensible. Is the article correct that this is Georgia?


yes, but its from a poor county with low scholastic rates. so, folks, including the parents of the children who are to benefit, are complaining that the resources are being squandered on children with low expectations of success.

way to create a self fulfilling prophecy folks... way to go.
 
2012-09-08 03:30:38 PM  

lohphat: This is BS. They said that in the '80s about Japanese. Then the Japanese economy imploded.

The Chinese economy is about to burst too. The construction boom has left empty buildings that are uninhabitable, built simple to expend capital and employ people. There's no demand for shoddily constructed buildings.

It's going to get ugly when the bubble bursts.


Consider also that the Japanese then and now produce products that exceed China's by a huge margin. It's not even close. And India? The same nation that produced a nuclear weapon while a majority of their people didn't have indoor plumbing? It shows that they are willing to show off before investing in the most basic infrastructure, that they're priorities are a bit out of whack.

But at some point, China will implode because the bubble burst and the class divide widens to an intolerable point. I'm not all that afraid of China and India, especially since Japan was a far, far, far more formidable rival.
 
2012-09-08 03:32:03 PM  

MinkeyMan: Dutch kids start learning english at age 6. Never met a dutch person who spoke less than damn near flawless english.

/Swedes are the same.
// and they are probably better about capitalization then I am.


[I see what you did their they're there]
 
2012-09-08 03:35:59 PM  
i approve the learning of chinee if only for more sideways gash
 
2012-09-08 03:36:54 PM  
That money could be spent more wisely.

/in case it hadn't been said yet
 
2012-09-08 03:39:27 PM  

RexTalionis: "你们。"


So what's the transliteration?
 
2012-09-08 03:40:22 PM  

FloydA: Nadie_AZ: FloydA: Nadie_AZ:
Same here. I just read an article about a charity that collects money for schools here in Arizona so they can get instruments in the hands of kids who want to learn to play them.

You have a link for that?

Here you go.

I will donate later this month when I can.

They just got another 100 bucks. Thanks.


Another $60 out of me (I wanted the t-shirt).
 
2012-09-08 03:41:06 PM  

jonathan_L: OriginalGamer: That's what Google says (Chinese Traditional). No Mandarin option.

Google's Chinese option is Mandarin. It'd be great if they had a Cantonese option too.


i.ytimg.com

Cantonese?? HEY- we don't take kindly to yer perticulur dialect 'round 'ere... 

"Now Skeeter, we don't need no trouble..."

NO! I wanna know- why you folks gotta be speakin' a language without a 1:1 equivalent of spoken versus written word?
 
2012-09-08 03:41:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: "你们。"

So what's the transliteration?


Nee-m'n.
 
2012-09-08 03:42:23 PM  
FTFH: "Exactly how does one say 'y'all' in Mandarin?"

I'm guessing 'y'all'...since the first writing form Chinese learn is usually our common Western alphabet, called pinyin in Mandarin.

/exactly how does one say 'taco' in English? Taco
 
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