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(Fox News)   What is "authentic Hawaiian" and what isn't? Well, Coconut bras aren't authentic Hawaiian wear, so obviously we must demand that Hawaiian women stop wearing them   (foxnews.com) divider line 37
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2012-09-08 05:41:19 AM  
Pizza with ham and pineapple is definitely Hawaiian
 
2012-09-08 05:42:28 AM  
I'm sure Hawaiian shirts aren't authentic Hawaiian, either, but I'm not making big fat party animals take them off.
 
2012-09-08 07:16:13 AM  
From my cold, dead hands.
www.inuyaki.com
 
2012-09-08 07:30:10 AM  
Well, Coconut bras aren't authentic Hawaiian wear, so obviously we must demand that Hawaiian women stop wearing them

Bravo!
 
2012-09-08 07:30:43 AM  
As someone who cares deeply about indigenous culture, I volunteer to assist in the removal of coconut bras.
 
2012-09-08 07:32:05 AM  
Shave ice? Native Hawaiians didn't eat frozen treats years before refrigeration?!
 
2012-09-08 07:43:54 AM  
What unauthentic Coconut bras that should be removed may look like

cn1.kaboodle.com

cdn02.cdnwp.thefrisky.com
 
2012-09-08 07:53:52 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: From my cold, dead hands.
[www.inuyaki.com image 650x357]


I am ashamed to admit that I had a loco moco 3-4 times a week when I was in HI for a months-long contract job. So good, yet so bad for me.
 
2012-09-08 08:06:39 AM  
Hawaii is a melting pot of cultures, mixing not only various island cultures, but influences from China, Japan, Germany and Portugal and more. That article was crap. Now, if you want to make a distinction between what was culturally accurate before all the non-Polynesian cultures, versus after American annexation/takeover, that's one clear division. Still, one of the things that's authentic about Hawaiians is that they adopt and modify what they like of other cultures to suit themselves, that's admirable.

I've always thought of there being two Hawaii's; the authentic polynesian culture, and the notional, imagined fantasy island paradise created in the minds of mainlanders starting in the late 40's/ early 50's. As someone planning my first trip there, I want to see both versions of the place: I want to experience the tacky Haole version of the place made up from Elvis movies and Michener books and Don Ho. And I also want to see the real place and hang with the locals to drink in the miraculous beauty and fascinating culture of the "real" deal.
 
2012-09-08 08:41:41 AM  

Any Pie Left: Hawaii is a melting pot of cultures, mixing not only various island cultures, but influences from China, Japan, Germany and Portugal and more. That article was crap. Now, if you want to make a distinction between what was culturally accurate before all the non-Polynesian cultures, versus after American annexation/takeover, that's one clear division. Still, one of the things that's authentic about Hawaiians is that they adopt and modify what they like of other cultures to suit themselves, that's admirable.

I've always thought of there being two Hawaii's; the authentic polynesian culture, and the notional, imagined fantasy island paradise created in the minds of mainlanders starting in the late 40's/ early 50's. As someone planning my first trip there, I want to see both versions of the place: I want to experience the tacky Haole version of the place made up from Elvis movies and Michener books and Don Ho. And I also want to see the real place and hang with the locals to drink in the miraculous beauty and fascinating culture of the "real" deal.


Thats a great synopsis.
I want to go to Hawaii for many of the same reasons you point out. The truely american Kitsch of it all, and the native experience that inspired it.
I also want to go further east into the oceanas to where cargo cultism was more previlent.
 
2012-09-08 08:53:24 AM  
I lived next to a Native Hawaiian at my first apartment. Native as Polynesian not just from Hawaii. The man at Spam like was going out of style. Aparently it a Hawaiian fav. Shudders
 
2012-09-08 09:22:51 AM  
qph.cf.quoracdn.net

What an authentic Hawaiian might look like.
 
2012-09-08 09:24:29 AM  
What an authentic Hawaiian may look like-

www.nndb.com

What an un-authentic Hawaiian may look like -

www.hawaiifive0.org
 
2012-09-08 10:06:54 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: What unauthentic Coconut bras that should be removed may look like

[cn1.kaboodle.com image 202x252]

[cdn02.cdnwp.thefrisky.com image 425x362]


To fairly assess the issue, I'm going to need to see these women not wearing coconut bras. Immediately. In my chambers.
 
2012-09-08 10:45:14 AM  

Crudbucket: FirstNationalBastard: What unauthentic Coconut bras that should be removed may look like

[cn1.kaboodle.com image 202x252]

[cdn02.cdnwp.thefrisky.com image 425x362]

To fairly assess the issue, I'm going to need to see these women not wearing coconut bras. Immediately. In my chambers.


These may help...

PNSFW
NSFW
 
2012-09-08 11:48:58 AM  
Hawaiian Shirt Aloha Shirt
Flip-Flops Slippers
Eww, gross, SPAM Ooh, lunch
 
2012-09-08 12:04:19 PM  

dennysgod: [qph.cf.quoracdn.net image 485x308]

What an authentic HawaiianKenyan super-double-secret muslim fifth columnist might look like.


FTFY
 
2012-09-08 12:49:52 PM  
Hey, get rid of the shiatty little filipinos cranking hip hop pretending to be true hawaiians while yer at it!
 
2012-09-08 01:01:41 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-08 01:07:31 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'm sure Hawaiian shirts aren't authentic Hawaiian, either, but I'm not making big fat party animals take them off.


The aloha shirt was invented in Waikiki by Ellery Chun in the early 1930s. You could argue that since Chun was ethnically Chinese, the shirts are not "authentic Hawaiian," but only if you define "Hawaiian" exclusively as "pre-contact Polynesian." Hawaii has been a multi-ethnic culture for quite a long time, and if a loco moko is Hawaiian, then so is the aloha shirt.

And aloha shirts are awesome.
 
2012-09-08 01:13:30 PM  

bhcompy: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x520]


I can never get enough of that pic, and I'm sad it isn't a more popular meme around here.
 
2012-09-08 06:34:29 PM  

cretinbob: Pizza with Spam and pineapple is definitely Hawaiian


FTFY

/Also Portuguese Sausage (Linguiça)


Mid_mo_mad_man: I lived next to a Native Hawaiian at my first apartment. Native as Polynesian not just from Hawaii. The man at Spam like was going out of style. Aparently it a Hawaiian fav. Shudders


It is: however the secret is in how you cook it: marinated in shoyu sauce and fried. Spam fried rice is awesome Spam musubi is to die for:


farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2012-09-08 07:16:55 PM  
Telling us that torch lighting ceremonies are not Hawaiian by saying they were invented in Hawaii is brilliant.
 
2012-09-08 07:29:12 PM  
As someone from a culture whose people have on occasion, adapted European items and ways quite well, I'd like to say that a good number of Native Americans get along really well with our Pacific Islander brethren very well. And honestly, seeing pale Honkies with "tribal" tattoos, and they can't say who their Tribe is, people just need to lay off our Hawaiian compariots. My tribe use a lot of things, that while they may not be "authentic" Plains tribes artifacts, we made ours by how we use them. Same deal here.
 
2012-09-08 08:36:41 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Telling us that torch lighting ceremonies are not Hawaiian by saying they were invented in Hawaii is brilliant.




That and they didn't even bother to point out that "Hawaiians" aren't the original Hawaiians.
 
2012-09-08 09:03:07 PM  

Smallberries: Benjimin_Dover: Telling us that torch lighting ceremonies are not Hawaiian by saying they were invented in Hawaii is brilliant.



That and they didn't even bother to point out that "Hawaiians" aren't the original Hawaiians.


I know, right?
 
2012-09-08 10:08:49 PM  

Any Pie Left: Hawaii is a melting pot of cultures, mixing not only various island cultures, but influences from China, Japan, Germany and Portugal and more. That article was crap. Now, if you want to make a distinction between what was culturally accurate before all the non-Polynesian cultures, versus after American annexation/takeover, that's one clear division. Still, one of the things that's authentic about Hawaiians is that they adopt and modify what they like of other cultures to suit themselves, that's admirable.

I've always thought of there being two Hawaii's; the authentic polynesian culture, and the notional, imagined fantasy island paradise created in the minds of mainlanders starting in the late 40's/ early 50's. As someone planning my first trip there, I want to see both versions of the place: I want to experience the tacky Haole version of the place made up from Elvis movies and Michener books and Don Ho. And I also want to see the real place and hang with the locals to drink in the miraculous beauty and fascinating culture of the "real" deal.


To get the "real" Hawaii, I suggest going to the West Shore of Oahu. Very few touristy spots there (and the few that ARE there are insanely expensive). The beaches are to die for.

Or you can just go to Maui. The whole island is basically like the West Shore of Oahu...
 
2012-09-09 12:06:40 AM  

ng2810: To get the "real" Hawaii, I suggest going to the West Shore of Oahu. Very few touristy spots there (and the few that ARE there are insanely expensive). The beaches are to die for.

Or you can just go to Maui. The whole island is basically like the West Shore of Oahu...


South Maui is a colony of California. Go to Big Island.
 
2012-09-09 12:35:39 AM  

Optimal_Illusion: As someone from a culture whose people have on occasion, adapted European items and ways quite well, I'd like to say that a good number of Native Americans get along really well with our Pacific Islander brethren very well. And honestly, seeing pale Honkies with "tribal" tattoos, and they can't say who their Tribe is, people just need to lay off our Hawaiian compariots. My tribe use a lot of things, that while they may not be "authentic" Plains tribes artifacts, we made ours by how we use them. Same deal here.


Don't sweat it. Nobody argues over pizza or spaghetti being "authentic Italian", but the noodles came from China and tomatoes came from South America. The same goes for the Irish and potatoes. I dare you to go into any "authentic" European recipe book and not find items originating outside of Europe. 

I live in Hawaii and one of the things I love is the complete mash-up of influences: Polynesian, Japanese, Chinese, Pinoy, US, Mexican, Korean, and European. The culture even has a word for it: "Local". A restaurant that serves "local" cuisine will serve dishes adapted from Hawaiian, American, and various Asian cuisines that have worked there way into local culture.

A typical "local' restaurant will include items Chicken Katsu (Japan), Kalbi Short Rib (Korean), Adobo (Philippines), Chili (Mexico), and Hamburgers (US), as well as "fusion" items: the infamous Spam Musubi, Loco Moco, Saimin (a noodle soup)

For instance, Here is a sample menu from a local Chain "Zippy's". It's like a Denny's for the UN (except the food's pretty good).
 
2012-09-09 03:26:55 AM  

ScreamingHangover: cretinbob: Pizza with Spam and pineapple is definitely Hawaiian


Yes, that is the correct answer
 
2012-09-09 04:43:54 AM  

ng2810: To get the "real" Hawaii, I suggest going to the West Shore of Oahu. Very few touristy spots there (and the few that ARE there are insanely expensive). The beaches are to die for.


Going to the Leeward side is one way to experience "the real Hawaii," but it's not something I'd recommend tourists do (unless they're headed to Ko Olina.)

If people really want to get an idea of what "the real Hawaii" is like, George Clooney's opening soliloquy (and the accompanying scenes of what life in Hawaii is like for some people) from The Descendants is a good start.
 
2012-09-09 11:38:02 AM  

ScreamingHangover: Don't sweat it. Nobody argues over pizza or spaghetti being "authentic Italian", but the noodles came from China and tomatoes came from South America.


Actually, noodles were invented independently in both China and the Near East. There's archaeological evidence of the Etruscans making noodles long before Marco Polo.

Which might explain why Asian noodles and western noodles have completely different textures.
 
2012-09-09 07:39:49 PM  

ScreamingHangover: Optimal_Illusion: As someone from a culture whose people have on occasion, adapted European items and ways quite well, I'd like to say that a good number of Native Americans get along really well with our Pacific Islander brethren very well. And honestly, seeing pale Honkies with "tribal" tattoos, and they can't say who their Tribe is, people just need to lay off our Hawaiian compariots. My tribe use a lot of things, that while they may not be "authentic" Plains tribes artifacts, we made ours by how we use them. Same deal here.

Don't sweat it. Nobody argues over pizza or spaghetti being "authentic Italian", but the noodles came from China and tomatoes came from South America. The same goes for the Irish and potatoes. I dare you to go into any "authentic" European recipe book and not find items originating outside of Europe. 

I live in Hawaii and one of the things I love is the complete mash-up of influences: Polynesian, Japanese, Chinese, Pinoy, US, Mexican, Korean, and European. The culture even has a word for it: "Local". A restaurant that serves "local" cuisine will serve dishes adapted from Hawaiian, American, and various Asian cuisines that have worked there way into local culture.

A typical "local' restaurant will include items Chicken Katsu (Japan), Kalbi Short Rib (Korean), Adobo (Philippines), Chili (Mexico), and Hamburgers (US), as well as "fusion" items: the infamous Spam Musubi, Loco Moco, Saimin (a noodle soup)

For instance, Here is a sample menu from a local Chain "Zippy's". It's like a Denny's for the UN (except the food's pretty good).


If I ever get to Hawaii, I'm bringing a truckload of frybread with me, you gotta spread the goodness when you can.
 
2012-09-09 10:25:06 PM  
ScreamingHangover:

For instance, Here is a sample menu from a local Chain "Zippy's". It's like a Denny's for the UN (except the food's pretty good).

You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!

Joking aside, Zippy's is terrible similar to the reasons that make Denny's terrible. If you want to try a local chain restaurant in Hawaii, go to L&L. I heartily recommend you don't bother with Zippy's.
 
2012-09-09 11:26:55 PM  

TheChadnt: ScreamingHangover:

For instance, Here is a sample menu from a local Chain "Zippy's". It's like a Denny's for the UN (except the food's pretty good).

You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!

Joking aside, Zippy's is terrible similar to the reasons that make Denny's terrible. If you want to try a local chain restaurant in Hawaii, go to L&L. I heartily recommend you don't bother with Zippy's.


I ain't saying Zippy's is going to win any James Beard awards, but they're several steps up the ladder from Denny's.

Love me some Zip Min.
And I also love me some L&L chicken katsu.
 
2012-09-09 11:28:34 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: If I ever get to Hawaii, I'm bringing a truckload of frybread with me, you gotta spread the goodness when you can.


Want

/Mahalo!
 
2012-09-11 03:43:11 PM  

ScreamingHangover: Optimal_Illusion: If I ever get to Hawaii, I'm bringing a truckload of frybread with me, you gotta spread the goodness when you can.

Want

/Mahalo!


It's amazing how much of a magic word "Frybread" is. I have never found a single person who's eaten one who doesn't like it. I wonder if you try to serve a Loco Moco on a large frybread, if that is just too much awesome for the planet to handle?
 
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