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(Telegraph)   Government watchdogs outraged by Japanese town's plan to spend $1.92 million on 200-year-old pine tree killed by tsunami, $0 on residents left homeless by tsunami   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 26
    More: Obvious, Great East Japan Earthquake, Japanese, Japan, miracles, deputy mayor  
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2012-09-08 09:41:34 AM  
Psh, that's what the tree is for, they can live underneath it.
 
2012-09-08 11:38:52 AM  
FTFA: "Some are asking why we are cutting down a tree that is alive, which is not the case, and others want to know why we're using taxpayers' money for the project," he said. "We're not; the entire cost will be covered by donations."

Your reading comprehension needs work, subs.
 
2012-09-08 11:57:20 AM  

Via Infinito: FTFA: "Some are asking why we are cutting down a tree that is alive, which is not the case, and others want to know why we're using taxpayers' money for the project," he said. "We're not; the entire cost will be covered by donations."

Your reading comprehension needs work, subs.


Besides, if Shinto has a large influence in the area, it may add into it too. Religion is important for folks in the face of overwhelming travesty.
 
2012-09-08 12:01:26 PM  
CUTTLEFISH!!

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2012-09-08 12:08:16 PM  
I'm confused. Is the tree alive or dead? Can you really cut it down, move it, insert a metal skeleton and cover it with goop, then re-attach it, and it's fine? I guess Christmas trees can live for a while without their roots, but the article wasn't really clear if it was being kept alive or just preserved monument style.

I do get the hole symbol of hope, survival, etc. thing, and if those homeless townspeople are for it, who am I to judge.
 
2012-09-08 12:12:23 PM  

Via Infinito: FTFA: "Some are asking why we are cutting down a tree that is alive, which is not the case, and others want to know why we're using taxpayers' money for the project," he said. "We're not; the entire cost will be covered by donations."

Your reading comprehension needs work, subs.



To be fair to subs, I'm sure people are suggesting that those donations would be put to better use in other ways.


CruJones: I'm confused. Is the tree alive or dead? Can you really cut it down, move it, insert a metal skeleton and cover it with goop, then re-attach it, and it's fine? I guess Christmas trees can live for a while without their roots, but the article wasn't really clear if it was being kept alive or just preserved monument style.



What's the confusing part? They clearly explained that it was already dead and they're going to cut it down, preserve it and re-erect it in the same spot it once stood shortly before the anniversary so it can stand as a monument.
 
2012-09-08 12:13:04 PM  
The tree is to be felled on September 12 and will undergo a series of procedures to protect it. The pine tree will have a metal skeleton inserted into the trunk and the exterior will be coated with a jelly-like preservative to prevent damage by insects, Kubota said.

What?? Engineering-wise, this sounds like a futile boondoggle. What's Japanese for "boondoggle"?

Steel is great, but structurally an interior steel pipe of lesser diameter won't be nearly as strong as wood, that's the reality. The base won't be sunk as roots either, so you'd need guy wires, but even then, this is nowhere near a properly structural tower. And the task of routing out the inside of a huge tree to insert a pipe- WITHOUT falling over as you do it- is astronomically difficult. At some point you'll have a section of pipe and have to weld on another piece, which greatly risks setting the tree on fire. You could build a radio tower-like scaffolding and strap the tree to it, but it's still gonna fail because it's dead wood, and WTF kind of symbol is it while strapped to a tower??

The tree's still dead. The leaves will drop and the branches will dry out and bits will fall off. The bark will fall off. Gel won't prevent swelling and splitting forever, as the moisture content changes.

Use the wood to build a shrine. Like a sane person. I like that idea. GO WITH IT!
Choose your symbols a little more wisely. It was a great photo- now LET IT GO, because, like, it's gone.
 
2012-09-08 12:35:50 PM  

Oznog: What?? Engineering-wise, this sounds like a futile boondoggle. What's Japanese for "boondoggle"?


Boondoggre.
 
2012-09-08 12:46:47 PM  

mongbiohazard: Via Infinito: FTFA: "Some are asking why we are cutting down a tree that is alive, which is not the case, and others want to know why we're using taxpayers' money for the project," he said. "We're not; the entire cost will be covered by donations."

Your reading comprehension needs work, subs.


To be fair to subs, I'm sure people are suggesting that those donations would be put to better use in other ways.


CruJones: I'm confused. Is the tree alive or dead? Can you really cut it down, move it, insert a metal skeleton and cover it with goop, then re-attach it, and it's fine? I guess Christmas trees can live for a while without their roots, but the article wasn't really clear if it was being kept alive or just preserved monument style.


What's the confusing part? They clearly explained that it was already dead and they're going to cut it down, preserve it and re-erect it in the same spot it once stood shortly before the anniversary so it can stand as a monument.


Yeah, I whiffed on that sentence. The picture shows what appears to be a live tree, looks like it still has its needles, and that threw me off.
 
2012-09-08 01:08:06 PM  

mongbiohazard: To be fair to subs, I'm sure people are suggesting that those donations would be put to better use in other ways.


Did those people donate to the tree? Probably not; why would they be complaining?

Did those same people make donations to the "other" causes that they feel these funds should go to? Probably not; they just want to make their voice heard. How about instead of biatching, you start a competing fundraising campaign with the aim to "beat the tree" in terms of volume, and capitalize on the people who also feel this way?

If someone had donated to both causes, or either cause that they felt was worthy, they wouldn't be complaining, because they would have donated to fulfill a perceived "need".

/then again, this is Japan; all bets are off
 
2012-09-08 01:22:00 PM  
I think the project to gather pine cones and grow a new pine forest to replace the old one is a great idea. It's not something that will pay off right away, but in a couple of generations, that scenic beauty will be back, along with the reminder of rebirth after tragedy.

A giant frankentree made of steel and goop and dead wood? Not so much with any of that, no matter how they're paying for it. It's like finding one corpse still standing upright and declaring it a symbol of hope that should be taxidermied on the spot and left there forever.
 
2012-09-08 01:28:04 PM  

CruJones: mongbiohazard: Via Infinito: FTFA: "Some are asking why we are cutting down a tree that is alive, which is not the case, and others want to know why we're using taxpayers' money for the project," he said. "We're not; the entire cost will be covered by donations."

Your reading comprehension needs work, subs.


To be fair to subs, I'm sure people are suggesting that those donations would be put to better use in other ways.


CruJones: I'm confused. Is the tree alive or dead? Can you really cut it down, move it, insert a metal skeleton and cover it with goop, then re-attach it, and it's fine? I guess Christmas trees can live for a while without their roots, but the article wasn't really clear if it was being kept alive or just preserved monument style.


What's the confusing part? They clearly explained that it was already dead and they're going to cut it down, preserve it and re-erect it in the same spot it once stood shortly before the anniversary so it can stand as a monument.

Yeah, I whiffed on that sentence. The picture shows what appears to be a live tree, looks like it still has its needles, and that threw me off.


That picture was soon after the tsunami hit. The tree withstood the initial tsunami for a nice symbolic photo, but the salt it left in the soil killed the tree. That, and the loss of almost all its branches and foliage. The tree is now dead, but hasn't fallen of its own accord yet. So they want to cut it down and shove a metal pole into it somehow, as some sort of "mock tree", with the original dead tree around it.
 
2012-09-08 01:51:27 PM  
Sounds like there's democrats in Japan too.
 
2012-09-08 02:29:48 PM  
i suppose planting a new tree
in the same place

just doesnt cut it
 
2012-09-08 02:31:25 PM  

bindlestiff2600: i suppose planting a new tree
in the same place

just doesnt cut it


Did you take off your sunglasses to set up that last line there?
 
2012-09-08 03:28:15 PM  
that's some misleading shiat there, subby.

second, it's Japan. they can do whatever the fark they want. they get to bang Japanese chicks!


/mmmm, Japanese chicks...
 
2012-09-08 03:37:43 PM  

Shadowknight: Religion is important for folks in the face of overwhelming travesty.


i943.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-08 03:39:16 PM  
I have zero problem with this.

Were you all up in arms that the 9/11 memorial was paid for with tax dollars?

Let them remember their tragedy in their own way.
 
2012-09-08 03:51:46 PM  

Oznog: bindlestiff2600: i suppose planting a new tree
in the same place

just doesnt cut it

Did you take off your sunglasses to set up that last line there?


This tree should make like McFly, and GET LOST
 
2012-09-08 04:05:54 PM  

Oznog: What's Japanese for "boondoggle"?


Bundoguru, probably. They love those loan words. Even have a separate set of symbols for them.
 
2012-09-08 04:16:33 PM  

valkore: Oznog: What's Japanese for "boondoggle"?

Bundoguru, probably. They love those loan words. Even have a separate set of symbols for them.


I lol'd. This is one of my favorite t-shirts.
 
2012-09-08 05:19:41 PM  
Submitter is an idiot. That is all.
 
2012-09-08 05:30:04 PM  
Good lord you cant throw a stick without hitting a sacred tree..
(Insert Avatar movie photo here)
 
2012-09-08 06:25:03 PM  

Molavian: Oznog: What?? Engineering-wise, this sounds like a futile boondoggle. What's Japanese for "boondoggle"?

Boondoggre.


I just put beer in my sinuses. Thank you.
 
2012-09-08 07:43:42 PM  
Maybe it's a giant treehouse.
 
2012-09-08 08:04:31 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Shadowknight: Religion is important for folks in the face of overwhelming travesty.


Tried to type "tragedy," but apparently spell check had other ideas...
 
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