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2012-09-08 06:23:39 AM  
Well we don't need healthy citizens anyway.
 
2012-09-08 07:58:10 AM  
'Course not. Good health is for commies.
 
2012-09-08 07:58:23 AM  
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Kochsucker!
 
2012-09-08 08:01:45 AM  
Facts denied, due to pre-exisiting conditions.
 
2012-09-08 08:02:47 AM  
Koch brothers.... sure, they don't agree with 'anything' the GOP wants to do, but they'll fight to the end to see Obama out of office.
 
2012-09-08 08:13:39 AM  
Leave it to liberals to complain about recycling.
 
2012-09-08 08:14:46 AM  
What's the matter Republicans, did you run out of domestic lies?... You have to importing recycled lies from Canada?
 
2012-09-08 08:15:01 AM  
Dying on a Wait List? (From FactCheck.Org) Link
 
2012-09-08 08:15:32 AM  
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2012-09-08 08:18:49 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

/Canadian death panels are cheaper
 
2012-09-08 08:22:00 AM  
And thats just Blue Cross. I bet that clusterfark United Health Group employs at least as many.
 
2012-09-08 08:24:33 AM  

T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper


That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?
 
2012-09-08 08:33:26 AM  

Chabash: T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper

That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


That's what the Death Panels are for, silly!
 
2012-09-08 08:35:34 AM  

Chabash: T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper

That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


No, I think the insurance 'coverage-blockers' would be like the useless third of the Golgafrincham population, and would have to be sent away in interstellar colony ships.
 
2012-09-08 08:38:23 AM  

Chabash: T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper

That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


When a hospital calls to approve medical work from an insurance company
The people are at the insurance company are also nurses who review procedures just like the hospital to avoid paying unwanted expenses

The insurance companies also employs thier own doctors for complex evaluations

The rest are administrative repeating guide rules written by medical professionals

There will be no problem transitioning nurses back to medical field

/side note if your good at requesting complex procedures from insurance company, they generally hireNhealth care professionals away. Insurance companies pay much better
 
2012-09-08 08:39:10 AM  

John the Magnificent: That's what the Death Panels are for, silly!


T-Servo: No, I think the insurance 'coverage-blockers' would be like the useless third of the Golgafrincham population, and would have to be sent away in interstellar colony ships.


I like both answers.. poetic justice, or the Douglas Adams final solution..
 
2012-09-08 08:41:20 AM  
Mark my words, the Koch Bros will fund an all-out ad assault full of lies and deceit the 3 days before the election. Every swing state and every hotly contested democrat incumbent state will have nothing on TV but koch bros ads.
 
2012-09-08 08:43:03 AM  
The ones who work in domestic call centers will just be shuffled back over to other departments, like the people who prevent you from getting to your money at the bank, or the people who prevent your grandmother from cancelling her dialup service.
 
2012-09-08 08:44:15 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Mark my words, the Koch Bros will fund an all-out ad assault full of lies and deceit the 3 days before the election. Every swing state and every hotly contested democrat incumbent state will have nothing on TV but koch bros ads.


If the WI recalls are any indication, the Kochs will get dirtier than that. They sent fake fliers to democratic districts telling residents to send their absentee ballots to a private P.O. box on the wrong day. There was no investigation or arrests (of course).
 
2012-09-08 08:47:40 AM  
These two asshats need to be stripped of their assets, put in a rowboat 100 miles offshore and told they can row any direction but back. Their assets then should be given to charities involved in fighting poverty in South America and Africa.

Economic terrorists of the worse sort.
 
2012-09-08 08:49:27 AM  
Colpletely off topic here but can anyone post or link the political cartoon that had an Obama advisor telling him it would be okay to assassinate folks as long as he put terrorist in the order? I was looking for it but my google-fu is fail.
 
2012-09-08 08:58:56 AM  

Chabash: T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper

That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


It would likely throw the economy into a mild recession, much like how the retooling after World War II pushed us into recession.
 
2012-09-08 09:00:14 AM  
Old stale ideas: Check
Half truths and lies: Check
Outsource the job: Check

Yep its a Republican
 
2012-09-08 09:01:27 AM  
In theory insurance companies can spot uneeded proceedures and waste

But in reality its more like this: We moved to a part of the country where allergies were kicking my wife's butt so bad took her to her doctor to get a steroid shot and some strong allergie medicines.

Got to Walgreens pharmacist handed me a phone to talk with a nurse at the insurance company. She said the medicine the doctor recommended was not covered. I asked her what was ?
She said she legally could not say, but had we tried something over the counter?

I told her we had tried over the counter medicines. The allergic reaction was severe.
Insurance nurse said to call the doctor to recommend something else.

I called the Doc for another med and did an Abbott and Costello routine with the insurance company for almost 2 hours trying to get the medicine
 
2012-09-08 09:02:55 AM  

Chabash: That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, medical bankruptcies which compose two-thirds of all total bankruptcies in this country will simply cease to exist as they have in other countries that also have universal single payer healthcare. Small business owners won't lose their businesses if they get sick and their employees won't lose their jobs.

We might not have enough people to fill all the jobs that'll open up.
 
2012-09-08 09:06:33 AM  

Coelacanth: Chabash: That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?

If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, medical bankruptcies which compose two-thirds of all total bankruptcies in this country will simply cease to exist as they have in other countries that also have universal single payer healthcare. Small business owners won't lose their businesses if they get sick and their employees won't lose their jobs.

We might not have enough people to fill all the jobs that'll open up.


That's the transition I figured would happen, including all the pension plans that would become solvent again since they won't have to pay for healthcare. But I'm curious what those first few years would look like.
 
2012-09-08 09:09:28 AM  
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2012-09-08 09:11:04 AM  

Serious Black: It would likely throw the economy into a mild recession, much like how the retooling after World War II pushed us into recession.


I doubt it. The government is going to need basically the same people to run the new healthcare system. And it's going to be a government job which means the health insurance workers will get better paying jobs with better benefits with their own union to boot. They're also going to have a job where they can do some good in this world. A friend of mine tells me that health insurance workers have an ungodly high suicide rate.
 
2012-09-08 09:11:14 AM  
Truthin' is hard.
 
2012-09-08 09:13:51 AM  
Is this the thread where we cherry pick socialist healthcare systems to complain about? How come none of the critics complain about German's system, I wonder.
 
2012-09-08 09:18:40 AM  

Chabash: That's the transition I figured would happen, including all the pension plans that would become solvent again since they won't have to pay for healthcare. But I'm curious what those first few years would look like.


It's going to be a tsunami at first. We have so many people that need help, we might have to triage a lot of folks. But insurance companies aren't going to go away. There's health insurance companies all over the world, including those countries with the best healthcare systems. But they're probably going to have to scale back and become more competitive.
 
2012-09-08 09:19:51 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Britney Spear's Speculum: Mark my words, the Koch Bros will fund an all-out ad assault full of lies and deceit the 3 days before the election. Every swing state and every hotly contested democrat incumbent state will have nothing on TV but koch bros ads.

If the WI recalls are any indication, the Kochs will get dirtier than that. They sent fake fliers to democratic districts telling residents to send their absentee ballots to a private P.O. box on the wrong day. There was no investigation or arrests (of course).


I would not be surprised if they use a private security firm to block roads in poor, heavily democratic areas.

You dont get a do-over on election day
 
2012-09-08 09:20:03 AM  

Chabash: T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper

That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


The same can be asked if we were to do the military cuts that we really need. As it stands, probably not, but if we were to take back the jobs that were shipped elsewhere and bring them back to the US, then we would have a better chance at it.
 
2012-09-08 09:26:54 AM  
Ian's story is a sad one, but it tells of his experience with both the Canadian medicare system and the U.S. private system. Ian was sent to to a U.S. hospital because Canada did not offer the very complicated treatment procedure he needed -- the Canadian Medicare system paid for Ian's treatment at the U.S. hospital.

Ian goes on to tell a story of a U.S. system where fellow brain tumor patients spent their time pleading with U.S. insurance companies for just one more week of treatment. The friends Ian made at the hospital had to leave treatment early because they had run out of money and the insurance companies would no longer cover the procedure.


fark this country.

That is all.
 
2012-09-08 09:42:13 AM  

Chabash: Coelacanth: Chabash: That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?

If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, medical bankruptcies which compose two-thirds of all total bankruptcies in this country will simply cease to exist as they have in other countries that also have universal single payer healthcare. Small business owners won't lose their businesses if they get sick and their employees won't lose their jobs.

We might not have enough people to fill all the jobs that'll open up.

That's the transition I figured would happen, including all the pension plans that would become solvent again since they won't have to pay for healthcare. But I'm curious what those first few years would look like.


It would look like a frantic pack of howling Hoverround riders who are too isolated from reality to realize we just made their lives better. So, just like now. But louder.
 
2012-09-08 09:51:27 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: Chabash: Coelacanth: Chabash: That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?

If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, medical bankruptcies which compose two-thirds of all total bankruptcies in this country will simply cease to exist as they have in other countries that also have universal single payer healthcare. Small business owners won't lose their businesses if they get sick and their employees won't lose their jobs.

We might not have enough people to fill all the jobs that'll open up.

That's the transition I figured would happen, including all the pension plans that would become solvent again since they won't have to pay for healthcare. But I'm curious what those first few years would look like.

It would look like a frantic pack of howling Hoverround riders who are too isolated from reality to realize we just made their lives better. So, just like now. But louder.


It'll make a great Lifetime movie. But who will Meredith Baxter play?
 
2012-09-08 10:14:41 AM  
Bet they have exceptional health care. They got theirs. Implant a fresh orphan heart!
 
2012-09-08 10:16:50 AM  
Insurance companies still operate up here in Soviet Canuckistan as government healthcare doesn't cover everything. If you don't want to share a hospital room with 3 other patients, for example, it'll cost you. Prescription drugs from pharmacies are another example of things the user/insurance pays for. As much as waiting hours in the ER sucks for non-life threatening issues, I'd take it anyday over getting financially raped.
 
2012-09-08 10:24:38 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Britney Spear's Speculum: Mark my words, the Koch Bros will fund an all-out ad assault full of lies and deceit the 3 days before the election. Every swing state and every hotly contested democrat incumbent state will have nothing on TV but koch bros ads.

If the WI recalls are any indication, the Kochs will get dirtier than that. They sent fake fliers to democratic districts telling residents to send their absentee ballots to a private P.O. box on the wrong day. There was no investigation or arrests (of course).


Maybe it was a democrat who made a mistake. Like when Michele told people to show up to the polls on the wrong date.

Do you have a citation that Koch did it? If you have proof, you may want to notify the FEC.
 
2012-09-08 10:26:56 AM  

Chabash: Coelacanth: Chabash: That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?

If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, medical bankruptcies which compose two-thirds of all total bankruptcies in this country will simply cease to exist as they have in other countries that also have universal single payer healthcare. Small business owners won't lose their businesses if they get sick and their employees won't lose their jobs.

We might not have enough people to fill all the jobs that'll open up.

That's the transition I figured would happen, including all the pension plans that would become solvent again since they won't have to pay for healthcare. But I'm curious what those first few years would look like.


Why do you think pension plans would be released from their contractual obligations for free?
 
2012-09-08 10:29:05 AM  

Coelacanth: Serious Black: It would likely throw the economy into a mild recession, much like how the retooling after World War II pushed us into recession.

I doubt it. The government is going to need basically the same people to run the new healthcare system. And it's going to be a government job which means the health insurance workers will get better paying jobs with better benefits with their own union to boot. They're also going to have a job where they can do some good in this world. A friend of mine tells me that health insurance workers have an ungodly high suicide rate.


They won't need the same number of people to run the new Medicare system. And while I agree with the other Farkers who believe it would unleash a fury of small business job growth because people would no longer be locked into jobs for the health insurance, it would not happen overnight. There would inevitably be a period of adjustment and growing pains. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. It just means that we will have to deal with the short-term consequences to get long-term stability.
 
2012-09-08 10:29:41 AM  

Plastic Diver Guy: Insurance companies still operate up here in Soviet Canuckistan as government healthcare doesn't cover everything. If you don't want to share a hospital room with 3 other patients, for example, it'll cost you. Prescription drugs from pharmacies are another example of things the user/insurance pays for. As much as waiting hours in the ER sucks for non-life threatening issues, I'd take it anyday over getting financially raped.


There's the biggest flaw in our system. Go to the goddamn walk-in clinic! ER stands for EMERGENCY room.
 
2012-09-08 10:33:14 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Chabash: Coelacanth: Chabash: That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?

If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, medical bankruptcies which compose two-thirds of all total bankruptcies in this country will simply cease to exist as they have in other countries that also have universal single payer healthcare. Small business owners won't lose their businesses if they get sick and their employees won't lose their jobs.

We might not have enough people to fill all the jobs that'll open up.

That's the transition I figured would happen, including all the pension plans that would become solvent again since they won't have to pay for healthcare. But I'm curious what those first few years would look like.

Why do you think pension plans would be released from their contractual obligations for free?


I think it would allow for greater flexibility in the use of those resources. Is that a better way to look at it in a positive way?
 
2012-09-08 10:38:34 AM  

Chabash: T-Servo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x360]

/Canadian death panels are cheaper

That brings up a question I never seem to find an answer to. If we were to switch to universal single payer healthcare, would our economy be able to absorb the number of unemployed health insurance workers across the entire country?


No. But thats why Obama is taking it slow.
 
2012-09-08 10:48:08 AM  

Generation_D: And thats just Blue Cross. I bet that clusterfark United Health Group employs at least as many.


Good news! UHC's customer service is all outsourced to India, USA USA!
 
2012-09-08 10:51:38 AM  
Right wingers; doesn't it ever make you feel bad how much your side lies? About everything?
 
2012-09-08 10:52:10 AM  

Glenford: Plastic Diver Guy: Insurance companies still operate up here in Soviet Canuckistan as government healthcare doesn't cover everything. If you don't want to share a hospital room with 3 other patients, for example, it'll cost you. Prescription drugs from pharmacies are another example of things the user/insurance pays for. As much as waiting hours in the ER sucks for non-life threatening issues, I'd take it anyday over getting financially raped.

There's the biggest flaw in our system. Go to the goddamn walk-in clinic! ER stands for EMERGENCY room.


No, going to a hospital Emergency Room is not the biggest problem with American healthcare. That is a big expense for employers and insurance companies.

Co-pay for an ER visit can be $100 plus at the time of vist to the patient.

There are many types of walk-in clinics some treat specific medical problems like a car service shop with set rates.

What ever people believe Hospitals are merging, opening clinics and buying into as many markets as possible

Does this look like an industry thats preparing to lose money or serve as many people as possible?
 
2012-09-08 10:53:32 AM  

dookdookdook: Ian's story is a sad one, but it tells of his experience with both the Canadian medicare system and the U.S. private system. Ian was sent to to a U.S. hospital because Canada did not offer the very complicated treatment procedure he needed -- the Canadian Medicare system paid for Ian's treatment at the U.S. hospital.

Ian goes on to tell a story of a U.S. system where fellow brain tumor patients spent their time pleading with U.S. insurance companies for just one more week of treatment. The friends Ian made at the hospital had to leave treatment early because they had run out of money and the insurance companies would no longer cover the procedure.

fark this country.

That is all.


Can't those patients just cook meth or something?
 
2012-09-08 10:53:56 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Mark my words, the Koch Bros will fund an all-out ad assault full of lies and deceit the 3 days before the election. Every swing state and every hotly contested democrat incumbent state will have nothing on TV but koch bros ads.


Funded through "apolitical" not for profit groups, of course.
 
2012-09-08 10:56:23 AM  

Bocasio: Glenford: Plastic Diver Guy: Insurance companies still operate up here in Soviet Canuckistan as government healthcare doesn't cover everything. If you don't want to share a hospital room with 3 other patients, for example, it'll cost you. Prescription drugs from pharmacies are another example of things the user/insurance pays for. As much as waiting hours in the ER sucks for non-life threatening issues, I'd take it anyday over getting financially raped.

There's the biggest flaw in our system. Go to the goddamn walk-in clinic! ER stands for EMERGENCY room.

No, going to a hospital Emergency Room is not the biggest problem with American healthcare. That is a big expense for employers and insurance companies.

Co-pay for an ER visit can be $100 plus at the time of vist to the patient.

There are many types of walk-in clinics some treat specific medical problems like a car service shop with set rates.

What ever people believe Hospitals are merging, opening clinics and buying into as many markets as possible

Does this look like an industry thats preparing to lose money or serve as many people as possible?


I was referring to the Canadian system. Because there is no (or little) out of pocket expenses to the patient people flood the ER for stupid reasons instead of going to a walk-in clinic. Being seen at the hospital because you have the sniffles is way more expensive. I don't know what the answer is, but it needs to change.
 
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