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(Yahoo)   Bombs Away: Canada shut its embassy in Tehran on Friday, severed diplomatic relations and ordered Iranian diplomats to leave, accusing the Islamic Republic of being the most significant threat to world peace, eh   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 174
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2012-09-08 11:50:51 AM
Step 1) Pull out of the Middle East completely
Step 2) Nuke the Middle East from orbit
Step 3) Wait 50 years
Step 4) Buy high quality, low priced goods from the Tehran Walmart
 
2012-09-08 11:57:34 AM

liam76: //Israel refuses nuclear inspectors in their State. -Israel is not party to any treaty that requires them to, unlike Iran.


You still have one nation with undeclared actual nukes biatching about another countries potential nukes making them global hypocrites regardless of any political niceties or technicalities.

The only reason Israel hasn't gone to town on Iran the same way they did on Iraq's nuclear program is because Iraq had one location above ground and Iran has several all deep underground. In order to take that out they would require much heavier bombs than they currently possess and the US who does have said bombs won't give them to Israel. Even Dumbya said no when push came to shove over this issue earlier.

Pretty sure Iran's rush to build a bomb has been accelerated by what happened in Iraq and how North Korea is treated with kid gloves and bribes after their successful nuclear testing.

PM McSweatervest shutting down the Canadian Tehran embassy sends a strong message to the less-than-legitimate Iranian regime that the west is seriously considering all options.

It might not be a bluff this time. I don't think he came up with idea all by himself either.
 
2012-09-08 12:09:01 PM

quatchi: PM McSweatervest shutting down the Canadian Tehran embassy sends a strong message to the less-than-legitimate Iranian regime that the west is seriously considering all options.

It might not be a bluff this time. I don't think he came up with idea all by himself either.


That's the part that smells fishy, to me. The timing is all wrong, there's nothing happening there that's new.
 
2012-09-08 12:36:38 PM
The leadership in Iran wants Israel and the USA to attack. The Iranian leadership is extremely unpopular with the Iranian people and can only keep them in line with regular beatings. If/when Israel/USA bombs the mother-loving fark out of their nuclear facilities the Iranian government gets to whine about being the victim and gets more excuses to beat down on the Iranian people.

And yes, the Israeli leadership wants small terrorist attacks on the Israel for much the same reasons. If Israel had peace with their neighbors then there would be no need or desire for hawkish leadership and the dominant leaders and parties would lose power.
 
2012-09-08 12:37:33 PM

LoneWolf343: Who know, here's a brilliant idea that I think really ought to be tried. Instead of breathing down Iran's neck, how about we offer to co-op a thorium nuclear plant venture, that way they get their nuclear reactor, and they can't make a nuke out of it. At the very least, if they refuse, we would actually have evidence they are up to something.


The only thing Iran wants is a place at the table during real negotiations in the UN and other organizations. India got a nuke, and the world stopped pissing on them, gave them aid, treated them as a potential ally and let them contribute to world economic policy. Same with Pakistan. Same for anyone who gets atomic power.

Israel wants control of the West's votes on Middle Eastern policy. That's Israel's worry: that Iran will become significant. It has nothing to do with actually using weapons. It is all about actually using diplomacy. If Iran gets a chip, they will come to the table and talk like the rest of the big nations.
 
2012-09-08 12:48:15 PM

chuckufarlie: Fuggin Bizzy: chuckufarlie: Eastasia was basically one half of the world and Eurasia was the other half.

Sorry, you're completely wrong. If Eastasia was one half of the world, and Eurasia was the other half, what the hell was Oceania? What the hell was Oceania, Bart?

This really wasn't supposed to be in-depth analysis of classic literature. It's FARK on a Saturday morning. I was sort of making a joke (you know, referring to a 29-year-old as a youngster when I'm only ten years older), and casually pointing out some parallels I see between current events and 1984. I disagree I'm "completely wrong" - war was a constant underlying theme of that book, and the U.S. finds itself today in a "war forevermore" mindset. The war drums never stop anymore.

But...I've already written too much on the topic, for FARK on a Saturday morning.

What part of the word "basically" do you not understand? At any rate, the war in the book was on a much larger scale than what is going on now.


You want to help me out here then, cap? Because for the life of me, I can't find a definition of "basically" anywhere that says it means "give or take a third."
 
2012-09-08 12:59:28 PM

LoneWolf343: Who know, here's a brilliant idea that I think really ought to be tried. Instead of breathing down Iran's neck, how about we offer to co-op a thorium nuclear plant venture, that way they get their nuclear reactor, and they can't make a nuke out of it. At the very least, if they refuse, we would actually have evidence they are up to something.


Take into account that the main objective of the Iranian government is not the well being of the Iranian people. Their main goal is to remain in power. The Iranian government is deeply unpopular with the Iranian people and maintain their hold on power over the Iranian people through oppression. The actions of the Iranian government are designed to provoke external actors and the reactions from these external actors are the meat and potatoes for keeping the Iranian people under boot.

/Substitute Iranian for North Korean and re-read.
 
2012-09-08 01:25:07 PM

Mentat: Oh good, the Junior Republicans are getting involved. Thanks Canada.


SIncerest apologies from Canuckistan, we only voted for Mini Bush because the left was in complete shambles.
 
2012-09-08 01:51:21 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: James F. Campbell: I believe that if Israel attacks Iran, Obama will support them. He'll support them not because it's politically convenient to do so -- frankly, I think the people who'd normally be impressed with his support for Israel would still be voting against him due to his skin color; the smart move would be standing up to Israel -- but because he personally believes it is the right thing to do. I find this disappointing on a number of levels.

Really? I might be wrong, but I've never gotten that vibe from Obama. His military decisions up until now have been more defensive than offensive, reasoned, direct and successful; why would he throw such a sterling reputation away for the sake of the playground bully who runs to his daddy the first time the other kids fight back?

/I don't like Israel, but I don't like Iran or Palestine either.
//They all need to grow the fark up.


From what I understand, Obama was the one who directed that Israel be put back into the Democratic party platform.
 
2012-09-08 02:00:14 PM

gadian: Goddammit Canada, you guys usually have your shiat together. Are you just bored and acting out for attention?


Our politics has caught The American Disease.
 
2012-09-08 02:21:24 PM

that bosnian sniper: liam76: Nobody in Israel wants war.

Netanyahu and the Likud government's been banging the war drums and rattling its sabres against Iran since it took the Knesset. This was part of its platform in 2009. Its coalition includes Shas and Yisrael Beiteinu, which are also both right-wing parties that are extremely hawkish, particularly against Iran.

These people were voted for in a free and fair election.

Don't give me that "nobody in Israel wants war" crap, because if nobody in Israel wanted war we'd have seen a Kadima/Labor coalition, instead of Likud/Shas/YB.


They are not the most pro war party.

You also ignore the best case outcome.

You also ignore that they may be doing just saber rattling. They have no religious drive for a final showdown nor is a war good for them long term.
 
2012-09-08 02:23:37 PM

Phil Moskowitz: gadian: Goddammit Canada, you guys usually have your shiat together. Are you just bored and acting out for attention?

Our politics has caught The American Disease.


Good, if we both go down, I can at least do it with your polite hotties.
 
2012-09-08 02:34:29 PM

Aye Carumba: Chemical agents are bad, but there is no certainty of complete annihilation.


"Iran hasn't attacked yet because the WMD's it has aren't destructive enough!" Well, that's certainly a new one.

Especially, you know, considering that chemical and biological weapons are cheaper and easier to obtain, cheaper and easier to smuggle, cheaper and easier to use in a large-scale asymmetric attack, and cheaper and easier to use in a large-scale symmetric attack. Not to mention more subtle, easier to disperse over a larger area, and without damaging or destroying land, territory, infrastructure, or buildings...because, you know, blowing a giant crater in the middle of your Holy Land, that also happens to sit on the minority of arable land and potable water in the entire region, when you otherwise have the option to not do that sounds like a pretty decent idea.

Especially for the fact Invisible Islam would have Chair Allah vewwy, vewwy angry if Iran didn't use anything and absolutely, positively everything in its power to eradicate Israel but, you know, preserve the farking holy ground on which the state of Israel sits just like a biological or chemical attack would accomplish, as soon and as vehemently as possible.
 
2012-09-08 02:42:15 PM
Aw, does that mean that Iran will stop sending us textbooks?
 
2012-09-08 03:22:19 PM
USA, Jr!
 
2012-09-08 03:29:59 PM

Aye Carumba: Plenty of disincentives for them to do that for decades, retaliatory action that any US president since has at his disposal and would have used. By softening the line, the deterrent doesn't work as well.


Are you suggesting the line has been "softened"?
 
2012-09-08 05:04:50 PM
Hell, everyone pull out of the Middle East and let them deal with their own problems. If they can't solve their little spats after 2,000 years, nothing anyone else can do will change anything.
 
2012-09-08 05:59:21 PM
Canada severs diplomatic ties with Iran = minor blip on the radar.

Stephan Harper goes to Iran and pulls Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's underwear over his head in an atomic wedgie = NOW I'm paying attention!

Maybe someone told Canada that they were going to pull some shiat on Iran and Canada decided just to play it safe. After all, Canada hasn't had the BEST relationship with that armpit of a nation. I bet Iran still remember the CIA was using the Canadian embassy to smuggle American diplomats out of Iran. Link

And we still remember Zahra Kazemi.
 
2012-09-08 06:58:31 PM

that bosnian sniper: Aye Carumba: Chemical agents are bad, but there is no certainty of complete annihilation.

"Iran hasn't attacked yet because the WMD's it has aren't destructive enough!" Well, that's certainly a new one.


Not a new concept, it's called not bringing a knife to a gun fight. You want to take away the gun, so they have to fight vs. calling it another day. You want to give a gun to the knifer so they have to fight, vs. calling it another day.


Especially, you know, considering that chemical and biological weapons are cheaper and easier to obtain, cheaper and easier to smuggle, cheaper and easier to use in a large-scale asymmetric attack, and cheaper and easier to use in a large-scale symmetric attack. Not to mention more subtle, easier to disperse over a larger area, and without damaging or destroying land, territory, infrastructure, or buildings...because, you know, blowing a giant crater in the middle of your Holy Land, that also happens to sit on the minority of arable land and potable water in the entire region, when you otherwise have the option to not do that sounds like a pretty decent idea.

Especially for the fact Invisible Islam would have Chair Allah vewwy, vewwy angry if Iran didn't use anything and absolutely, positively everything in its power to eradicate Israel but, you know, preserve the farking holy ground on which the state of Israel sits just like a biological or chemical attack would accomplish, as soon and as vehemently as possible.


Easier to put on a mask which everyone has, affected by coastal weather patterns, won't assure 100% kill, will result in retaliation before the final solution can be implemented, no virgins.

No mask for nuke last I checked. Retaliation so far is still assured but ok because virgins. Allah would not be pissed at all, it's His land right, and if he commands Iran to nuke it to ashes then so it is.
 
2012-09-08 08:37:51 PM

shower_in_my_socks: BFD. We lived with that kind of fear in the US for decades.


'cause JFK totally let the Soviets deliver nuclear missiles to Cuba.

/America refusing to let Cuba be armed is more comparable to Israel refusing to let Iran be armed.
 
2012-09-08 08:41:34 PM
Certainly an improvement on helping Iran make their bunkers bunkerbuster-proof.

http://www.economist.com/node/21548918

For this reason, Iranian civil engineers are interested in using it in structures as diverse as dams and sewage pipes and are working on improving it. Mahmoud Nili of Bu-Ali Sina University in Hamadan for example, is using polypropylene fibres and quartz flour, known as fume, in his mix. It has the flexibility to absorb far heavier blows than regular concrete. Rouhollah Alizadeh may do better still. Dr Alizadeh, a graduate of the University of Tehran, is currently working at Ottawa University in Canada on the molecular structure of cement. Once again, this research is for civilian purposes and could pave the way for a new generation of UHPC with precisely engineered properties and outstanding performance.
 
2012-09-09 12:46:25 AM

Blairr: UHPC


Ultra Hard Penis Concrete
 
2012-09-09 09:27:32 AM

bootman: LoneWolf343: Who know, here's a brilliant idea that I think really ought to be tried. Instead of breathing down Iran's neck, how about we offer to co-op a thorium nuclear plant venture, that way they get their nuclear reactor, and they can't make a nuke out of it. At the very least, if they refuse, we would actually have evidence they are up to something.

Take into account that the main objective of the Iranian government is not the well being of the Iranian people. Their main goal is to remain in power. The Iranian government is deeply unpopular with the Iranian people and maintain their hold on power over the Iranian people through oppression. The actions of the Iranian government are designed to provoke external actors and the reactions from these external actors are the meat and potatoes for keeping the Iranian people under boot.

/Substitute Iranian for North Korean and re-read.


Oh, I know that. I just don't see why we have to be willing parties to the charade.
 
2012-09-09 04:43:48 PM

Blairr: Certainly an improvement on helping Iran make their bunkers bunkerbuster-proof.

http://www.economist.com/node/21548918

For this reason, Iranian civil engineers are interested in using it in structures as diverse as dams and sewage pipes and are working on improving it. Mahmoud Nili of Bu-Ali Sina University in Hamadan for example, is using polypropylene fibres and quartz flour, known as fume, in his mix. It has the flexibility to absorb far heavier blows than regular concrete. Rouhollah Alizadeh may do better still. Dr Alizadeh, a graduate of the University of Tehran, is currently working at Ottawa University in Canada on the molecular structure of cement. Once again, this research is for civilian purposes and could pave the way for a new generation of UHPC with precisely engineered properties and outstanding performance.


;its funn cause pratt & Whitney in Cananda just got in trouble for selling dual use tech to China. O! Canada!

Canada: Home of Beavers, Hot women, EA (Electronic Arts), Terrorist researchers and maple flavored ham
 
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