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2012-09-08 01:32:51 AM

Aye Carumba: that bosnian sniper: Aye Carumba: That would be the politically correct thing to do in a close election, he would draw moderate support from the right, he's not going to lose the left over a well executed military exercise...

...you missed the part of the DNC last week when the delegates damn near staged a walkout after the "Jerusalem" plank was re-added to the Democrats' platform, didn't you.

I caught the Bin Laden is dead over and over, thanks. And in the end, the delegates cast their nomination, Jerusalem or not, O is the candidate.

And candidate or not, Jerusalem will be nuked as a direct result of our inaction, so who cares who owns what street, as if the delegates really cared.

And by nuked, I mean widespread mass killings of civilians in a metropolitan city like Jerusalem with extreme disregard for humanity as opposed to nuking a nuclear nuke factory that would have produced that nuke, deep under a mountain if you could somehow penetrate all the rock, which is the kind of nuking that O should have on his options table at this stage of the hypothetical prenuclear war.


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2012-09-08 01:32:55 AM

Aye Carumba: And candidate or not, Jerusalem will be nuked as a direct result of our inaction, so who cares who owns what street, as if the delegates really cared.


...and as I said, Iran's had biological and chemical weapons for decades. If they really wanted Jerusalem off the map, come hell of high water, it already would be.
 
2012-09-08 01:35:09 AM
OMG! Calling out notorious alt-trolls! Why am I still here after a decade of 200+ greenlights? Get phuked Drew!
 
2012-09-08 01:36:07 AM

Lost Thought 00: MacEnvy: I've been concerned lately (not in the troll way) that Israel is going to launch a major offensive in the next couple of months against Iran. Obama will have 3 choices as I see it:

1. Pull a Romney and offer material assistance to Israel, backing up their stance and activities.

2. Decline to help, but offer neither condemnation nor aid.

3. Condemn any actions against Iranian civilians and stay out of the fray.

None of those helps him in November. Netanyahu would be pleased with the first, and this is certainly the Romney course. The latter two place him on the defensive politically for nutjob evangelicals.

I don't see how it could end positive for him politically. I really, really hop Israel can keep in in their pants for a couple of months.

UN will step in as Peace Keepers, and the US will support that mission.


UN Peacekeepers in Israel? That doesn't sound like fun.
 
2012-09-08 01:37:32 AM
My Facebook is blowing up, after the guitarist from Forbidden posted an Alex Jones piece of craptasticness that The President and the Queen of England told Israel to go ahead and bomb Iran. With the claim that the head of the joint chiefs announced it.

The hilarious part is his starting off with "I don't normally 'like' Alex Jones, but this sounds credible".

Over 100 comments with no one saying "uh. how about the proof that the joint chiefs are okaying this?"

It's funny to watch "fans" just swallow shiat without question.
 
2012-09-08 01:38:53 AM

give me doughnuts: King Something: Just how desperate is Israel to start World War Three!?

They aren't. They're just scared shiatless that they'll find out about Iran's first successful nuclear weapons test when Tel Aviv turns into a big glowing cloud.


Yes, just like North Korea dropped the bomb on South Korea. And Pakistan dropped the bomb on India.

farking fear mongering. Always a safe bet with the easily frightened.
 
2012-09-08 01:39:12 AM
Allowing an attack on Iran would be the single quickest way to set back freedom/democracy movements there for decades. Funny how having the US as a shared enemy causes everyone in a country to come together.
 
2012-09-08 01:42:26 AM

Lost Thought 00: UN will step in as Peace Keepers, and the US will support that mission.


Is that the New World Order Black Helicopter Illuminati Freemason Trilateral Commission UN, or the Strongly Worded Letter Gang That Can't Shoot Straight UN?
 
2012-09-08 01:44:08 AM

Aye Carumba: And candidate or not, Jerusalem will be nuked as a direct result of our inaction, so who cares who owns what street, as if the delegates really cared.


*facepalm*

You do know that Jerusalem is a holy city to the Scary Mooselimbs, don't you? They might as well nuke Mecca as Jerusalem.
 
2012-09-08 01:51:47 AM
We lived in fear of being nuked for most of the second-half of the 20th Century. We chose to avoid WWIII. Now it's Irsael's turn to do the same.
 
2012-09-08 01:52:22 AM

give me doughnuts: King Something: Just how desperate is Israel to start World War Three!?

They aren't. They're just scared shiatless that they'll find out about Iran's first successful nuclear weapons test when Tel Aviv turns into a big glowing cloud.


bullshiat Israel wants to go to war so bad, just not by themselves, they want daddy to come hold their hand, so that's why they're going to start it before November to force Obama to help or not get re-elected
 
2012-09-08 01:55:26 AM
 
2012-09-08 01:58:56 AM

MacEnvy: The latter two place him on the defensive politically for nutjob evangelicals.


Which changes nothing. They're not going to vote for him anyway.
 
2012-09-08 02:13:58 AM

give me doughnuts: King Something: Just how desperate is Israel to start World War Three!?

They aren't. They're just scared shiatless that they'll find out about Iran's first successful nuclear weapons test when Tel Aviv turns into a big glowing cloud.


Big deal. I'm old enough to have had to dive under my desk twice a month in air-raid drills in school as a child. I've always lived in either state capitals, large shipping ports, or near US Air Force bases. Each and every one of them in the sites of multiple Soviet nuclear missiles. Pardon me if I don't feel any sympathy for Israel.
 
2012-09-08 02:14:19 AM
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Bombs away but we're OK!
 
2012-09-08 02:22:08 AM

King Something: Just how desperate is Israel to start World War Three!?


Wait till you see the look on their faces when they find out what's supposed to happen to them after Armageddon.
 
2012-09-08 02:24:10 AM
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2012-09-08 02:28:04 AM
I had a thought.

We should totally troll Israel.

If they start a war with Iran, we should take Iran's side.

No, seriously, I know we have numerous treaties with them and all, but I am just tired of our nation getting played and patted down for cash by Israel. Why should we give a flying fark what happens in that shiatty ass part of the world.
 
2012-09-08 02:31:55 AM

that bosnian sniper: Aye Carumba: And candidate or not, Jerusalem will be nuked as a direct result of our inaction, so who cares who owns what street, as if the delegates really cared.

...and as I said, Iran's had biological and chemical weapons for decades. If they really wanted Jerusalem off the map, come hell of high water, it already would be.


Plenty of disincentives for them to do that for decades, retaliatory action that any US president since has at his disposal and would have used. By softening the line, the deterrent doesn't work as well.
 
2012-09-08 02:49:13 AM
Any thoughts on if the USA did the same?
 
2012-09-08 02:49:15 AM
Who know, here's a brilliant idea that I think really ought to be tried. Instead of breathing down Iran's neck, how about we offer to co-op a thorium nuclear plant venture, that way they get their nuclear reactor, and they can't make a nuke out of it. At the very least, if they refuse, we would actually have evidence they are up to something.
 
2012-09-08 02:51:26 AM
I believe that if Israel attacks Iran, Obama will support them. He'll support them not because it's politically convenient to do so -- frankly, I think the people who'd normally be impressed with his support for Israel would still be voting against him due to his skin color; the smart move would be standing up to Israel -- but because he personally believes it is the right thing to do.

I find this disappointing on a number of levels.
 
2012-09-08 02:51:58 AM

MacEnvy: Netanyahu would be pleased with the first, and this is certainly the Romney course.


Would Israel seriously do that? Could they see Romney as the more favorable candidate so they start a pre-emptive war to force Obama to play his hand, which would hurt him politically, and possibly cost him the election? .....Can Israel single-handedly decide the next President of the United States?

If so, then America is lockstep with Israel into another war. Can America afford one? ...of course not. Still haven't paid for Bush's three wars.

If the warhawks start saber-rattling, I would love it if Obama stood before Congress and said flat out: "You want to fight Iran? ....fine, effective immediately, all assets of anyone worth over $1 billion are to be seized, and the top marginal tax rate is 90%. Proscription, motherfarkers: You cannot keep fighting wars while continuing to not pay for them. In the past, we have always raised taxes to pay for wars. Our current fiscal mess stems from the naive notion that we were able to fight war without paying for it. That ends now."
 
2012-09-08 02:58:18 AM
War with Iran could sink our economy for another decade. I think we'd be lucky if, one month after the bombs start flying, gas remained at only 5 or 6 dollars a gallon.

Iran has the strategic and military capacity (and likely the political will) to disrupt the flow of oil out of the mideast. This would grind our recovery to a standstill. And let's not forget the 1/2 a trillion dollars we likely would commit to fighting the war. Where the f*** is that money coming from? I think it is very unlikely the Iranians would respond to a Israeli/US strike on Iranian targets with the same cravenness that Saddam did. They will strike back.

Gah, would Americans really be so dumb as to support another mid east quagmire so soon after we got out of the debacle that was Iraq?
 
2012-09-08 03:22:08 AM

sprawl15: Drew's real name


I tried to look up what you meant and ended up on the wiki article for Drew....I had no idea Drew was dang near FIFTY!
 
2012-09-08 03:27:10 AM

LoneWolf343: Who know, here's a brilliant idea that I think really ought to be tried. Instead of breathing down Iran's neck, how about we offer to co-op a thorium nuclear plant venture, that way they get their nuclear reactor, and they can't make a nuke out of it. At the very least, if they refuse, we would actually have evidence they are up to something.


The fact that they are working their asses off to refine uranium to weapons-grade is pretty much all the evidence that's needed.

Hate on Israel all you want, but when your next-door neighbor, who continuously spews rhetoric regarding your annihilation, doubles down on their nuclear refinement capability when they already have more than enough fossil fuel to exist eternally, ya gotta wonder wtf it's all for. Sure, Israel has its own sins, but for the most part, they're confined to a few square miles that have been fought over for a few thousand years. In that particular conflict, everyone's an asshole, and always will be.

Iran, however, is doing what it's doing either A) to foment chaos and increase oil prices, or B) because they want nukes. There really is no other rational explanation.

Neither scenario is particularly friendly. No one in their right minds can try to claim that Iran is trying to be a force for good in the world.

Israel is in a tough spot. You can maybe ignore your neighbor flipping you off every morning on the way to work. Maybe you can take the high road when he starts mooning your wife. But when you see him at the local Walmart loading up on ammo while he's telling the cashier he wants you dead, it really doesn't matter anymore if he's just blustering.

I agree with you - it would be a great plan, if Iran was in fact trying to solve an internal energy crisis through nuclear tech. But they're not. They're trying to create a world oil crisis, at best, and at worst, they're jockeying for war.

In my opinion, someone needs to tell them they aren't Afghans, who possess not only the stomach for war, but the eternal hunger for it. They much more closely resemble Iraqis - when society starts falling apart, the people will not support the regime that brought them low. Iranians are fed up with the hardliners.

If there is ANY beacon of hope in regards to preventing WWIII, it's the fact that the youth of the world today have the Internet, and that there is information available to counter the spoon-fed lies that dictatorial regimes (and yes, even democracies) feed their people. One can only hope that humanity's innate hunger for destruction is outpaced by its renewed hunger for enlightenment.
 
2012-09-08 03:48:57 AM

MacEnvy: I've been concerned lately (not in the troll way) that Israel is going to launch a major offensive in the next couple of months against Iran. Obama will have 3 choices as I see it:

1. Pull a Romney and offer material assistance to Israel, backing up their stance and activities.

2. Decline to help, but offer neither condemnation nor aid.

3. Condemn any actions against Iranian civilians and stay out of the fray.

None of those helps him in November. Netanyahu would be pleased with the first, and this is certainly the Romney course. The latter two place him on the defensive politically for nutjob evangelicals.

I don't see how it could end positive for him politically. I really, really hop Israel can keep in in their pants for a couple of months.


If they did anything it would be AFTER Obama got reelected. I don't think Israel would be too find of a Romney presidency considering how stupid he looked overseas already. I think Iran just wants to have a penis showing contest and when it came down to it they wouldn't go through with anything....and I think if their citizens KNEW that they were going to get turned into a lake, they'd revolt and have their own Arab Spring.
 
2012-09-08 04:28:19 AM

that bosnian sniper: Gyrfalcon: What the hell is a "radiological weapon?" A dirty bomb? A nuke? Or just some fancy scary word politicians like to use when the country in question doesn't have real nukes but they want some kind of support for a war nobody wants?

Yeah, more or less. The distinction's drawn around whether the weapon's primary method of dealing damage derived from nuclear reactions, or not. Nuclear weapons do, but radiological weapons do not. Dirty bombs would be the most common radiological weapon, though there are weapon designs that use nuclear reactions to spread lots and lots of fallout, that would also qualify as radiological weapons.


Ah. So, a fancy word for a dirty bomb. I love military strategists.
 
2012-09-08 04:31:02 AM
I'm 32 years old. For almost all of my lifetime, the US has either being involved in a military action or threatening to get involved in military action. One of my earliest memories was watching news coverage about the marines in Lebanon in the very early '80s. Another early memory was discussing Gaddafi with friends, never mind that we were in kindergarten or first grade at the time. Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I, Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Gulf War II, Electric Boogaloo, we've been pin balling from one part of the world to another for far too long. We've been in a perpetual state of war for so long that we don't even know what peace is anymore.
 
2012-09-08 04:40:19 AM
I certainly don't trust any claims about danger from Iran. We've heard similar stories before.
 
2012-09-08 05:03:58 AM
Here's a couple good recent columns by Uri Averny (check out his wiki if you are unfamiliar with him). If you want to cut through some of the derp and extremism on both sides of the Iran/Israel issue and restore your faith in humanity, I highly recommend his weekly columns. It's sad how the peaceful majority always seems to get drowned out by the extremists on both sides.

Link

Link
 
2012-09-08 05:04:57 AM

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Please just say Iran. We don't want people knowing Islam theocracy breeds violence.


FTFY. If nothing else had changed, but Christianity had taken hold in Iran rather than Islam, nothing would change. Just look at the Christian countries in Africa, and the European Christian theocracies in the past.
 
2012-09-08 05:18:06 AM
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It's always the quiet ones.
 
2012-09-08 05:23:12 AM

cc_rider: Here's a couple good recent columns by Uri Averny (check out his wiki if you are unfamiliar with him). If you want to cut through some of the derp and extremism on both sides of the Iran/Israel issue and restore your faith in humanity, I highly recommend his weekly columns. It's sad how the peaceful majority always seems to get drowned out by the extremists on both sides.

Link

Link


Just finished the first one. Very interesting.
 
2012-09-08 05:34:11 AM

The Dog Ate The Constitution: The U.N. needs to write multiple strongly worded letters to Iran. That will surely fix the problem.


Like the ones they sent Libya?
 
2012-09-08 05:59:03 AM

Fart_Machine: saintstryfe: They believe that they can do anything, and the US will kowtow.

Sadly I don't think they're wrong.


This is the first step to solving an addiction. First we have to admit Israel has a problem. Then, we have to let them hit rock bottom, before we can offer them help.
 
2012-09-08 06:06:34 AM

rynthetyn: I'm 32 years old. For almost all of my lifetime, the US has either being involved in a military action or threatening to get involved in military action. One of my earliest memories was watching news coverage about the marines in Lebanon in the very early '80s. Another early memory was discussing Gaddafi with friends, never mind that we were in kindergarten or first grade at the time. Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I, Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Gulf War II, Electric Boogaloo, we've been pin balling from one part of the world to another for far too long. We've been in a perpetual state of war for so long that we don't even know what peace is anymore.


Just give war a chance, eh
 
2012-09-08 06:40:11 AM

shower_in_my_socks: BFD. We lived with that kind of fear in the US for decades. No more pre-emptive wars. If the neocons and hard-right Israelis wanted war with Iran, they shouldn't have blown their load with Iraq. Their credibility is zero, with their "the smoking gun may be a mushroom cloud" panic-inducing propaganda.


difference is that in israel, half the country lives in tel aviv area, and the surrounding air space which is friendly is much smaller. your example is akin to "when i was a kid i was irrationally afraid of swimming in the pool with a lifeguard, so that is no reason not to go deep sea diving without a boat to come back to"
 
2012-09-08 06:54:07 AM
Canada closed their Tehran embassy?

Where are US nationals going to hide next time the Iranian "students" get crazy?
 
2012-09-08 07:07:02 AM
Nobody has cried about jews zionists running Canada?

Too bad I wanted to mock them over the implications this has for the strategic Maple Syrup supply.



sheep snorter: /Christian/Jewish Religion dictates that there must be an Israel in order for the end of the world to come and for christians to enjoy their eternal jihad against them awful brownish people.-You might want to read up on End of days myth from Muslims, particularly the twelvers who run Iran
// If Israel fires off its own nuclear missiles, I'll have to put off my vacation to Dubai. -Why the fark would vacationin Dubai? There are better places for russian whores and anything you can do there you can do elsewhere wihtout risk of being arrested for kissing in public.
//Israel refuses nuclear inspectors in their State. -Israel is not party to any treaty that requires them to, unlike Iran.

 
2012-09-08 07:10:47 AM

that bosnian sniper: Nutjob evangelicals aren't, and would never, support Obama in the first place. They'd rather see the world burn than do it. Obama needs to shore up and maintain his support with his own base, since Romney has decided to make it a battle of the bases opposed to reaching out to the middle.


A battle of the bases wouldn't be fair to President Obama since members of his cabinet called the base "farking retards" with "nowhere else to go" that "should be drug tested".
 
2012-09-08 07:57:09 AM
You guys don't see the strategy?

Canada severs ties with Iran. Other countries see one of the G8 do this and follow suit. Iran, the #4 oil producer, doesn't sell oil to these countries. Canada, the #3 producer, does. More money.

People don't want Canada's oil. Decide to switch to nuclear. Canada, the #1 producer of uranium, sells them uranium. More money.

It's all about the Bordens.
 
2012-09-08 07:58:23 AM

give me doughnuts: King Something: Just how desperate is Israel to start World War Three!?

They aren't. They're just scared shiatless that they'll find out about Iran's first successful nuclear weapons test when Tel Aviv turns into a big glowing cloud.


Yeah, we wouldn't want The Smoking Gun to be a mushroom cloud, right?

(rolls eyes)
 
2012-09-08 08:22:40 AM
We need to start seeing a lot more of these: 

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2012-09-08 08:29:37 AM

Therion: give me doughnuts: King Something: Just how desperate is Israel to start World War Three!?

They aren't. They're just scared shiatless that they'll find out about Iran's first successful nuclear weapons test when Tel Aviv turns into a big glowing cloud.

Yeah, we wouldn't want The Smoking Gun to be a mushroom cloud, right?

(rolls eyes)


On the other hand, Jerusalem getting nuked could be a good thing. What are all Jews, Muslims, and Christians going to fight over when the city is a pile of radioactive rubble? Not to mention the entire nation of Iran would be vaporized shortly afterwards. Two birds with one stone.
 
2012-09-08 08:40:41 AM

James F. Campbell: I believe that if Israel attacks Iran, Obama will support them. He'll support them not because it's politically convenient to do so -- frankly, I think the people who'd normally be impressed with his support for Israel would still be voting against him due to his skin color; the smart move would be standing up to Israel -- but because he personally believes it is the right thing to do. I find this disappointing on a number of levels.


Really? I might be wrong, but I've never gotten that vibe from Obama. His military decisions up until now have been more defensive than offensive, reasoned, direct and successful; why would he throw such a sterling reputation away for the sake of the playground bully who runs to his daddy the first time the other kids fight back?

/I don't like Israel, but I don't like Iran or Palestine either.
//They all need to grow the fark up.
 
2012-09-08 08:55:14 AM
The Canadian government is more pro-Israel than the Israeli government.

We are governed by an evangelical whack-job here and look to be under his rule for another 5-10 years, given the weak opposition.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-08 09:15:32 AM
And thus the silly lie that Canadians are such nice, polite people died.
 
2012-09-08 09:32:38 AM
I wonder what it'd be like to be alive when the U.S. isn't involved in a war, I'm 29 and I've yet to see it.
 
2012-09-08 09:50:22 AM

shower_in_my_socks: give me doughnuts: They aren't. They're just scared shiatless that they'll find out about Iran's first successful nuclear weapons test when Tel Aviv turns into a big glowing cloud.


BFD. We lived with that kind of fear in the US for decades. No more pre-emptive wars. If the neocons and hard-right Israelis wanted war with Iran, they shouldn't have blown their load with Iraq. Their credibility is zero, with their "the smoking gun may be a mushroom cloud" panic-inducing propaganda.


Except that the war in Iraq was really just an attempt to surround Iran with US vassal states. Iran has been the target all along.
 
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